After 6 years... here I am.

FAL4EVER · March 03, 2004, 16:49

I'm a pistol shooter from origin, but wanted something different 6 years ago. Something that looks cool and makes lots of noise. Ended up with my STG58. Completely original from Steyr. Surplus, non-fired from the Swiss army. For less than $400. I'm from The Netherlands, so I don't have to worry about US made magazine springs etc (but hey, at least you guys can buy 50AE Desert Eagles).
What was supposed to be a joke, became serious, and still is. This is the thing, that will have to do in competition, and it does. Even got some trophy's.
A couple of days ago I found these boards, and it's been overwhelming.
This is science. And, as far as I can comprehend, it caught me. I want to know, what the real limit is for me, considering limited budget. So far I:
- Ordered a scope. Mount will follow next month. I intend to use it to test reloads. My first goal is, to optimize ammo. Don't forget to try the heavier 168 grainers. Forget about using the bipod when testing. Bummer, would have been fun to use that thing for once.
- Forget about the swing. What a surprise! My scores improved drasticly when I started to use a swing. I now know about the existance of free floating hand guards. Maybe some time...
- I need a trigger job (something I already knew). Militairy Rifle competition here requires a pull of >3lbs. Mine is at least double. I need Ron's springs.
- Do something about the rear sight. It kinda wobbles. (Too bad that the little crosshair front sight is not allowed here in competition).
- Clean barrel. Lazy me is used to cleaning his STG only once a year...

(and it keeps going....)
- Make sure hand guard screw is tight.
- Keep reading the falfiles. Some things are easy to try and/or apply and don't even cost a penny.

Thanks guys!

cliffy109 · March 03, 2004, 17:05

Yup. You've been ascimilated alright! Welcome to the addiction.

**kwilal** · March 03, 2004, 21:39

Welcome aboard, you're going to love this place! More information than you'll know what to do with.
Ken

discountupgrades · March 03, 2004, 21:53

From the Netherlands, what are the firearms laws like there?
Welcome aboard! I'll be happy to take that off your hands for $500, leaving you with a hefty 25% profit

. Let me know

**Jon Frum** · March 03, 2004, 22:08

Send a few Guilders/Euros to the Files too.

Batman · March 03, 2004, 22:11

Welcome!!

fastfreddy · March 03, 2004, 22:19

Welcome!

Rooster · March 03, 2004, 22:25

Quote:

Originally posted by kwilal
Welcome aboard, you're going to love this place! More information than you'll know what to do with.
Ken

You can say that again.

**Cava3r4** · March 04, 2004, 00:34

Welcome,
If you don't like cleaning your barrel maybe you ought to consider using moly coated bullets. A lot of NRA (and CMP) highpower shooters here in the USA use them, myself included.
If you shoot competively go check out www.jousters.com
it is a good site and has shooting, reloading etc there.
I was in Amsterdam last October on Vacation. wonderfull place.
Love that Trappist Ale beer.
I was sitting on the East (?) side of the Dam Square slurping that heavenly necter.
Bob

**Cava3r4** · March 04, 2004, 00:38

Oh, by the way guys, its Euros now. In Oct of 2003 they were 1.25 US dollars = 1.0 Euro.
Bob

FAL4EVER · March 04, 2004, 03:37

What a warm welcome!

About the firearm laws...
Our NRA is called KNSA. The ONLY purpose of the KNSA is shooting sports.
No .50 calibers allowed, because KNSA has no competition for them. Silhouette shooting is recognized, and maybe a .50AE would be possible, but to find a club for silouette shooting is hard, and I would have to drive 2 hours or more.
In order to own a firearm, you need to be a member of a shooting club for at least a year. Within that year, you need to collect stamps in your "passport".
You get a stamp for every practice. After a years membership, you can buy your first gun. The club has to sign a form, in which they state, that you're using that gun for competition shooting at that club. You need at least 12 stamps.
After you have owned your first gun for a year, you can buy more guns. The max number of firearms you can own is 5. For 5 arms you need 35 stamps, every year. Every year you have to show up at the police station, and have them verify your stamps, in order to have your license renewed for another year.
No 2nd ammendment here, no self- and home defense. Nothing on nightstands. Everything has to be kept is a safe, and the police is allowed to inspect the way (and where!) you keep your guns. Transport only from/to club, match or gunsmith, shortest way.
Our country is small. Ground is expensive. To find a place for long range shooting is getting harder. Ranches are being closed down, due to environmental regulations and laws. Our club is all indoor, and we shoot at 10 and 12 (only .22) and also at 25 and 50 meters. Official distance for militairy rifle matches is 100 meters (~110 yards)

Greetings,
F4E

Btw. 1 euro = 1,22 dollar today. Makes internet shopping quite interesting these days.

Finski · March 04, 2004, 08:19

Welcome aboard...

I´m fellow also from EU, up north, Finland

Do you shoot IPSC? met couple of your countrymen last May in Denmark.
One was just RO (it was nordic ipsc rifle championship shoot) other judged and and shot in semiauto standart division with A GARAND, hats off for him for handicap he gave to us

How about shooting in Belgium, Luxenburg, Germany?
Also are the armyranges avaible to the public (in Finland those are only ranges I use)?

Finski

FAL4EVER · March 04, 2004, 08:52

KIITOS!

That's all I remember from my vacation in '98. Been in and around Oulu for 2 weeks. Beautiful country!
There are clubs here with 100m accomodations, some even indoor.
Army and police ranches are getting less and less. Partly because of reorganisations, partly because of environment (pollution). You can rent a lane in the weekends.
No IPSC so far. I still don't have a license, and I'm thinking about doing the exam somewhere this summer. Maybe us dutch like handicaps, because I'll be using Desert Eagles

Gunlaws are easier in the countries around us, except England.

trucksurfer · March 04, 2004, 10:40

Quote:

Originally posted by FAL4EVER

The max number of firearms you can own is 5. For 5 arms you need 35 stamps, every year. Every year you have to show up at the police station, and have them verify your stamps, in order to have your license renewed for another year.

DAMN!! Only 5!!!! Hell I got enough for 6 people+! And I thought I didn't have near enough guns! As for the 50AE, you don't want one of those, get a .475 Linebaugh! That's a cannon!

I'll up the offer to $650 on the STG58!

McDobber · March 04, 2004, 10:50

To our newest FAL brother in Europe, WELCOME

McDobber

discountupgrades · March 04, 2004, 10:53

Ok, won't take $500? I tell you what, I'll solve both our problems: I will send you a 500 S&W in fair trade for your STG!
Seriously, I love my 500, but your rifle sounds like a real beauty! I am very happy to hear there are people enjoying the shooting sports all over, but here in the USA I always forget how good we have it. Then I remember how much better we had it! If you ever make it to Boston/Vermont area I will be glad to take you for some plinking Vt range style: "no one's posted this sandpit yet... fire on the line!"

FAL4EVER · March 04, 2004, 13:07

I would take the S&W500, but... it's illegal here. And I wonder if it would be possible to get my gun over there anyway.
And honestly, my STG ain't nothing special.
I saw a post here somewhere, asking who's the best gunsmith for building /putting together a FAL. And I almost replied "STEYR", because they made and build mine. We don't do uppers and lowers here, you just buy a Belgian, English, Austrian or Israeli FAL.
Most people here avoid the English L1A1, Steyr is considered top.
FN and Israeli do have some collecters value.

trucksurfer · March 04, 2004, 14:09

Quote:

Originally posted by FAL4EVER
And honestly, my STG ain't nothing special.
I saw a post here somewhere, asking who's the best gunsmith for building /putting together a FAL. And I almost replied "STEYR", because they made and build mine. We don't do uppers and lowers here, you just buy a Belgian, English, Austrian or Israeli FAL.
Most people here avoid the English L1A1, Steyr is considered top.
FN and Israeli do have some collecters value.

I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!! Hell I don't care if it's just a freakin' L1A1, I want one all original like that! That's no fair!

March 03, 2004, 16:49	#1
FAL4EVER Registered FALaholic #: 13671 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 294	After 6 years... here I am. I'm a pistol shooter from origin, but wanted something different 6 years ago. Something that looks cool and makes lots of noise. Ended up with my STG58. Completely original from Steyr. Surplus, non-fired from the Swiss army. For less than $400. I'm from The Netherlands, so I don't have to worry about US made magazine springs etc (but hey, at least you guys can buy 50AE Desert Eagles). What was supposed to be a joke, became serious, and still is. This is the thing, that will have to do in competition, and it does. Even got some trophy's. A couple of days ago I found these boards, and it's been overwhelming. This is science. And, as far as I can comprehend, it caught me. I want to know, what the real limit is for me, considering limited budget. So far I: - Ordered a scope. Mount will follow next month. I intend to use it to test reloads. My first goal is, to optimize ammo. Don't forget to try the heavier 168 grainers. Forget about using the bipod when testing. Bummer, would have been fun to use that thing for once. - Forget about the swing. What a surprise! My scores improved drasticly when I started to use a swing. I now know about the existance of free floating hand guards. Maybe some time... - I need a trigger job (something I already knew). Militairy Rifle competition here requires a pull of >3lbs. Mine is at least double. I need Ron's springs. - Do something about the rear sight. It kinda wobbles. (Too bad that the little crosshair front sight is not allowed here in competition). - Clean barrel. Lazy me is used to cleaning his STG only once a year... (and it keeps going....) - Make sure hand guard screw is tight. - Keep reading the falfiles. Some things are easy to try and/or apply and don't even cost a penny. Thanks guys!

March 03, 2004, 17:05	#2
cliffy109 Registered FALaholic #: 8571 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 2,229	Yup. You've been ascimilated alright! Welcome to the addiction. __________________ All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

March 03, 2004, 22:08	#5
Jon Frum Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 8473 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,266	Send a few Guilders/Euros to the Files too. __________________ "We must, indeed, all hang togather or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.": Ben Franklin Detain and Deport!

March 03, 2004, 22:19	#7
fastfreddy Registered FALaholic #: 7303 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,185	Welcome! __________________ As you heed the call to battle, let your witness be as steel.

March 04, 2004, 03:37	#11
FAL4EVER Registered FALaholic #: 13671 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 294	Re: What a warm welcome! About the firearm laws... Our NRA is called KNSA. The ONLY purpose of the KNSA is shooting sports. No .50 calibers allowed, because KNSA has no competition for them. Silhouette shooting is recognized, and maybe a .50AE would be possible, but to find a club for silouette shooting is hard, and I would have to drive 2 hours or more. In order to own a firearm, you need to be a member of a shooting club for at least a year. Within that year, you need to collect stamps in your "passport". You get a stamp for every practice. After a years membership, you can buy your first gun. The club has to sign a form, in which they state, that you're using that gun for competition shooting at that club. You need at least 12 stamps. After you have owned your first gun for a year, you can buy more guns. The max number of firearms you can own is 5. For 5 arms you need 35 stamps, every year. Every year you have to show up at the police station, and have them verify your stamps, in order to have your license renewed for another year. No 2nd ammendment here, no self- and home defense. Nothing on nightstands. Everything has to be kept is a safe, and the police is allowed to inspect the way (and where!) you keep your guns. Transport only from/to club, match or gunsmith, shortest way. Our country is small. Ground is expensive. To find a place for long range shooting is getting harder. Ranches are being closed down, due to environmental regulations and laws. Our club is all indoor, and we shoot at 10 and 12 (only .22) and also at 25 and 50 meters. Official distance for militairy rifle matches is 100 meters (~110 yards) Greetings, F4E Btw. 1 euro = 1,22 dollar today. Makes internet shopping quite interesting these days.

March 03, 2004, 21:39	#3
kwilal Senior Member Contributor FALaholic #: 5949 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 523	Welcome aboard, you're going to love this place! More information than you'll know what to do with. Ken

March 03, 2004, 21:53	#4
discountupgrades Registered FALaholic #: 12913 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 196	From the Netherlands, what are the firearms laws like there? Welcome aboard! I'll be happy to take that off your hands for $500, leaving you with a hefty 25% profit . Let me know

March 03, 2004, 22:11	#6
Batman Registered FALaholic #: 513 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: SE, Michigan Posts: 2,048	Welcome!!

March 04, 2004, 00:34	#9
Cava3r4 Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6560 Join Date: May 2002 Location: AZ...originally from St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,297	Welcome, If you don't like cleaning your barrel maybe you ought to consider using moly coated bullets. A lot of NRA (and CMP) highpower shooters here in the USA use them, myself included. If you shoot competively go check out www.jousters.com it is a good site and has shooting, reloading etc there. I was in Amsterdam last October on Vacation. wonderfull place. Love that Trappist Ale beer. I was sitting on the East (?) side of the Dam Square slurping that heavenly necter. Bob

March 04, 2004, 00:38	#10
Cava3r4 Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6560 Join Date: May 2002 Location: AZ...originally from St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,297	Oh, by the way guys, its Euros now. In Oct of 2003 they were 1.25 US dollars = 1.0 Euro. Bob

March 04, 2004, 08:19	#12
Finski Registered FALaholic #: 1911 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Kotka, Finland Posts: 455	Welcome aboard... I´m fellow also from EU, up north, Finland Do you shoot IPSC? met couple of your countrymen last May in Denmark. One was just RO (it was nordic ipsc rifle championship shoot) other judged and and shot in semiauto standart division with A GARAND, hats off for him for handicap he gave to us How about shooting in Belgium, Luxenburg, Germany? Also are the armyranges avaible to the public (in Finland those are only ranges I use)? Finski

March 04, 2004, 08:52	#13
FAL4EVER Registered FALaholic #: 13671 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 294	Re: KIITOS! That's all I remember from my vacation in '98. Been in and around Oulu for 2 weeks. Beautiful country! There are clubs here with 100m accomodations, some even indoor. Army and police ranches are getting less and less. Partly because of reorganisations, partly because of environment (pollution). You can rent a lane in the weekends. No IPSC so far. I still don't have a license, and I'm thinking about doing the exam somewhere this summer. Maybe us dutch like handicaps, because I'll be using Desert Eagles Gunlaws are easier in the countries around us, except England.

March 04, 2004, 10:50	#15
McDobber Registered FALaholic #: 6054 Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 690	To our newest FAL brother in Europe, WELCOME McDobber

March 04, 2004, 10:53	#16
discountupgrades Registered FALaholic #: 12913 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 196	Ok, won't take $500? I tell you what, I'll solve both our problems: I will send you a 500 S&W in fair trade for your STG! Seriously, I love my 500, but your rifle sounds like a real beauty! I am very happy to hear there are people enjoying the shooting sports all over, but here in the USA I always forget how good we have it. Then I remember how much better we had it! If you ever make it to Boston/Vermont area I will be glad to take you for some plinking Vt range style: "no one's posted this sandpit yet... fire on the line!"

March 04, 2004, 13:07	#17
FAL4EVER Registered FALaholic #: 13671 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 294	Re: I would take the S&W500, but... it's illegal here. And I wonder if it would be possible to get my gun over there anyway. And honestly, my STG ain't nothing special. I saw a post here somewhere, asking who's the best gunsmith for building /putting together a FAL. And I almost replied "STEYR", because they made and build mine. We don't do uppers and lowers here, you just buy a Belgian, English, Austrian or Israeli FAL. Most people here avoid the English L1A1, Steyr is considered top. FN and Israeli do have some collecters value.

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