Haiti in Arms

John Culver · February 22, 2004, 16:51

just a few of Haitian equipment.

We dont need no carry handle

Old but works

John Culver · February 22, 2004, 16:53

They dont like carry handles I guess

MP5 I think

US in Haiti

Hand made pistol?

John Culver · February 22, 2004, 16:58

RPK?

Vincenzo · February 22, 2004, 17:08

I didn't know that there were M14's or Garands to be found down there.

Sure is a motley crew of weapons they have.

Gary_P · February 22, 2004, 17:27

a galil and a FR-8?

wow!

that country is fubar'd

the #1 weapon of choice? VOODOO!

Gary

DSanders · February 22, 2004, 17:33

Gary, you beat me to it. The guy in the last pic has a FR-8. I can think of a better place for it, in my safe.

I was in Haiti for a couple of days back in '98 when there were still U.S. forces there. It's kind of surreal seeing a school being built by Navy Sea Bees guarded by a machine nest manned by troopers from the 82nd Airborne.

Also, looks like the dude with the zip gun has one heck of a zit/boil over his right eye.

John Culver · February 22, 2004, 17:51

yah a friend of mine was over their in the mid 90s with the 82nd.

BSchroeder · February 22, 2004, 17:55

4th from the top; is that a Lungman? And the dude with the bruise and the 'zip gun;' WTF is that?

187 · February 22, 2004, 17:55

I like the helmets they are wearing. They look like motorcycle helmets that have no ballistic protection? Nice body armor too......rifles will zip right through those things.

Those rifles that look like M16's with no carry handles are Taiwanese Type 68 rifles. They are based on the M16A1 but have a piston type gas system. No carry handle for the Tai's

It does make me sad to see US weapons down there (M1 and M14's) in such disrepair when we have such good homes for them here

Bruce J · February 22, 2004, 18:09

My wife is a Hatian studies major at Univeristy of Kansas. In short, Haiti is a hopeless lost cause. They've ruined all their natural resources. She says when you fly over you can see a marked difference from one side of border of the Dominican republlic to the Haitian side where they've scavanged their trees and pillaged the earth.

From the looks of it though, they seem to have a surplus of motorcycle helmets, M1 garands and probably a stockpile of M16 carry handles...

Bruce J · February 22, 2004, 18:12

Quote:

Originally posted by John Culver

Maybe it was this guy's brain tumor (see that thing on his forehead) that caused him to become psychotic and deluded when he welded some sheet metal together to make his ray-gun.

darkest2000 · February 22, 2004, 19:26

Those AR type weapons without carrying handles are actually the Taiwanese Type 64s, I don't know how those Haitians got their hands on those but I do know that a number of those T64s were exported from Taiwan during the 80's.

Some prototypes of the T64 actually utilizes a gas piston. It is pretty much a combination of AR18 and the M16. It is very interesting to see those weapons in actual use.

And if you are wondering why they don't have carrying handles, well the reason is quite simple, it's cheaper and takes less machining to make a upper receiver without a handle

EOD · February 22, 2004, 19:47

Fast forward...USA by the end of the century.

Gary_P · February 22, 2004, 19:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce J

Maybe it was this guy's brain tumor (see that thing on his forehead) that caused him to become psychotic and deluded when he welded some sheet metal together to make his ray-gun.

It should have a caption of "Hi, I work for CAI, how may I assist you?"

John Culver · February 22, 2004, 20:34

Quote:

Originally posted by darkest2000
Those AR type weapons without carrying handles are actually the Taiwanese Type 64s, I don't know how those Haitians got their hands on those but I do know that a number of those T64s were exported from Taiwan during the 80's.

Some prototypes of the T64 actually utilizes a gas piston. It is pretty much a combination of AR18 and the M16. It is very interesting to see those weapons in actual use.

And if you are wondering why they don't have carrying handles, well the reason is quite simple, it's cheaper and takes less machining to make a upper receiver without a handle

Thanks.

I didnt know the Taiwanese had there own rifles.
let alone that they got to Haiti

Mark E A. · February 22, 2004, 20:54

Check the forth pic down from the top. It’s the side hold for the Garand, you just use the op-rod for a close combat sight LOL.

Mark

John Culver · February 22, 2004, 21:08

Its the Gangsta Garand

Indycar · February 22, 2004, 22:09

You guys are missing the obvious! The knot on the head of the gangsta is from the recoil of his zip gun causing it to come back and knock him in the head.

762minigun · February 23, 2004, 04:00

Quote:

Originally posted by Indycar
You guys are missing the obvious! The knot on the head of the gangsta is from the recoil of his zip gun causing it to come back and knock him in the head.

tigerfans2 · February 23, 2004, 06:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce J
My wife is a Hatian studies major at Univeristy of Kansas

This is where I'd normally insert a dig about the hockers but since it's a lady I won't.

RobertJ · February 24, 2004, 11:45

Well, except for the "Jungle cliped" magazines where is everyones spare mags in the photos? That will be the shortest firifight in battle

Also the one Hatian with the Galil... can he tape those mags any further apart?

I didnt know ther were anymore Hatians left in hati, thought they were all working for Disney World now

John Culver · February 24, 2004, 13:19

eh they dont need much ammo.
THey outnumber the police about 5 to 1
and Haiti has no army.

tiblow · February 25, 2004, 08:06

Hey, how are the US guys in the picture??? State Dept. Security, or who.
t

John Culver · February 25, 2004, 08:35

should be US Marines...part of the detachment sent down to guard the embassy

M2A2 · February 25, 2004, 14:57

The orignal boys in the hood.I thought I was looking at photos of Gary IN.

discountupgrades · February 25, 2004, 16:07

I've never seen marines with that get-up, clearly they are not trying to blend in so why not fatigues? The Marines should be restricted to the embassy grounds and other US concerns too, I'm guessing "security advisors" from the State Department.

John Culver · February 25, 2004, 22:27

could be.
Note the ear bud.

Did send 50 marines down there to augment the embassy guard
Who knows what else

RRotz · February 26, 2004, 17:05

I notice alot of the rebels have motorcycle helmets for headgear.....lol.

**Falcon** · February 27, 2004, 05:40

Foreign Service Officers with the Diplomatic Security Service.

dmk · February 27, 2004, 14:39

What kind of optic is this gentleman using? It looks like a compact ACOG, but that seems like an unusual choice for urban conflict.

SAMPLEGLOCK19 · February 27, 2004, 15:43

I'm sorry but gangsters have better guns then the ones being shown here. Nice try but you are dead wrong. No flame intended!

**Falcon** · February 27, 2004, 20:01

Looks to be the Compact ACOG, perhaps it's the 1.5x24 version.
Here's a few more pics of those two FSO's.

Guttertroop · February 27, 2004, 20:45

I dig the Evil Knievel balastic helmets.

Brian in MN · February 27, 2004, 22:21

What is up with the gloves? Are they cold or something? I kinda wonder about guys who think that looking Hollywood is more important than being able to change mags without fumbling around.

ronster · February 27, 2004, 23:21

gloves are probably for the same reason the cops wear gloves dealing with the junkies here in Phoenix.

You don't want what they have (HIV, hepatitis, god only knows what else)

bradterry · February 27, 2004, 23:32

Gloves are not Hollywood or for cold. Hand protection. Dive down into the concrete or gravel or ruck through the woods/jungle with thorny vines and trees. and after 1 or 2 days of festering sores on your hands try to perform A mag change. Just FYI.

splattermatic · February 27, 2004, 23:35

i have been to this place many moons ago (1986) and even back then there was much going on there, lots of up risings, riots, etc.. seems it never cooled down..
the gloves as stated above,, for the same reason our cops wear em..
lots of aids, hepititus,cholora (sp), etc..
it was a cool place to visit, lots of neat things to see, lots of native arts and crafts, voodoo is very prevalent there as well..
it is also a very poor country, i did feel very bad for the people sleeping anywhere they could, no food or clean water..

i was glad when my 2 week stay at the embassy was over...
flew next door to santo domingo after that and it was a whole different world,, same island but different..

anyways, i am sure the people of this country have had about enough of their president and want change.. can you really blame them ? after seeing how they live,,, i don't...

just my .02,, wished i'dda picked up a few souveneigns when i was there,, lots of people carried all kinds of toys,, probably coulda had one for real cheap..

gman552 · February 29, 2004, 21:43

Gloves = hand protection (broken glass, gravel, concrete in urban areas). A lot of the high-speed guys seem to like Nomex aviator gloves.

I am definitely *not* high-speed (I'm a slightly overweight suburbanite

) but my old Air Force Nomex gloves came in handy during a carbine class last summer. It's a lot easier to go into/out of a prone position without gravel embedded in your hands, especially when you're doing it twenty times a day...

Also, the gloves don't really cut down on manual dexterity - it was actually easier to do mag changes, malfunction drills, etc. because my sweaty hands were covered.

Sunglasses = eye protection (UV light, broken glass, gravel, case separations, etc.) Also makes one look badass

Brian in MN · March 01, 2004, 23:23

Anyone else see the cover of today's NY Times? Looks like at least one brand spanking new Galil ARM made it over to the sunny island.

kalashniKEV · March 02, 2004, 18:40

Does the black dude have 2 pistols?

The thigh rig must be one of those crappy mag pouches.

**Story** · March 02, 2004, 19:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian in MN
Anyone else see the cover of today's NY Times? Looks like at least one brand spanking new Galil ARM made it over to the sunny island.

A couple of Santo Domingo army details (like 3 guys) on the border crossings outposts got 'wiped out' when the former Haitian army types crossed back over in early February. Their weapons were missing.

ice9 · March 03, 2004, 08:34

those mags kinda look like the greay phosphate english mags. almost looks like the "made in england" sticker is still on one with the dude wearing no ball cap. are they usgi mags?

John Culver · March 16, 2004, 19:29

More images for your plesure

what kind SMG?

A computer store even

Note the kids clothes...they are new.

John Culver · March 16, 2004, 19:41

Dominican R Helicopter

US Marines

French

Respect

Shotgun

John Culver · March 16, 2004, 19:57

US Patrol with Shotgun

LAVs

Chilean Special Forces

French HMG

Chilean MG3?

Chileans Shotgun (SPAS or something like it)

R4s or Galils?

Canadians and Chileans

This is where the canadian troops flew FROM...Climate chock had to be hell.

I've tried to give ya'll a cross section of the weapons/forces in Haiti. Hope it is useful

Guttertroop · March 16, 2004, 20:36

These are some great pics. I think I like the ones of the goofy looking soldiers wearing motorcycle helmets the best.

jaykden · March 16, 2004, 21:08

that SMG that guy is holding looks kinda like a thompson .45 without the buttstock or foregrip. it sure is wierd looking

John Culver · March 16, 2004, 21:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Guttertroop
These are some great pics. I think I like the ones of the goofy looking soldiers wearing motorcycle helmets the best.

those are actually the issued helmets for the haitian police.
THank they are for blunt trauma protection rather then balistic stopping.

does look funny though.

bradterry · March 17, 2004, 00:01

Referring to the pic above about the posible SPAS. The multiple tube gun is a 40mm grenade launcher. Our guys wish they had those. I believe those rifles are Chiles version of a Galil or R4.

Gary_P · March 17, 2004, 05:02

the French actually had a contigent there, wow.

the Hatians will get some newer Machineguns when the french soldiers drop those babies. I wonder who they are NOT gonna shoot with them?

actually I raz the French every chance I can, but It is pretty decent seeing them in Haiti.

February 22, 2004, 16:53	#2
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	They dont like carry handles I guess MP5 I think US in Haiti Hand made pistol? __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

February 22, 2004, 16:58	#3
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	RPK? __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

February 22, 2004, 17:27	#5
Gary_P Registered FALaholic #: 8635 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Chucktown,SC. Posts: 592	a galil and a FR-8? wow! that country is fubar'd the #1 weapon of choice? VOODOO! Gary __________________ "No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. - Ronald Reagan

February 22, 2004, 17:51	#7
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	yah a friend of mine was over their in the mid 90s with the 82nd. __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

February 22, 2004, 17:55	#9
187 Registered FALaholic #: 3967 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,042	I like the helmets they are wearing. They look like motorcycle helmets that have no ballistic protection? Nice body armor too......rifles will zip right through those things. Those rifles that look like M16's with no carry handles are Taiwanese Type 68 rifles. They are based on the M16A1 but have a piston type gas system. No carry handle for the Tai's It does make me sad to see US weapons down there (M1 and M14's) in such disrepair when we have such good homes for them here __________________ Magnum Gunsmithing, Ltd. Type 07 Licensed Manufacturer North Lima, OH www.magnumgunsmithing.com

February 22, 2004, 16:51	#1
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	Haiti in Arms just a few of Haitian equipment. We dont need no carry handle Old but works __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

February 22, 2004, 17:08	#4
Vincenzo Registered FALaholic #: 8765 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 13	I didn't know that there were M14's or Garands to be found down there. Sure is a motley crew of weapons they have.

February 22, 2004, 17:33	#6
DSanders Registered FALaholic #: 3769 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 155	Gary, you beat me to it. The guy in the last pic has a FR-8. I can think of a better place for it, in my safe. I was in Haiti for a couple of days back in '98 when there were still U.S. forces there. It's kind of surreal seeing a school being built by Navy Sea Bees guarded by a machine nest manned by troopers from the 82nd Airborne. Also, looks like the dude with the zip gun has one heck of a zit/boil over his right eye.

February 22, 2004, 17:55	#8
BSchroeder Registered FALaholic #: 6303 Join Date: May 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 203	4th from the top; is that a Lungman? And the dude with the bruise and the 'zip gun;' WTF is that?

February 22, 2004, 18:09	#10
Bruce J Registered FALaholic #: 102 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Linwood Kansas USA Posts: 781	My wife is a Hatian studies major at Univeristy of Kansas. In short, Haiti is a hopeless lost cause. They've ruined all their natural resources. She says when you fly over you can see a marked difference from one side of border of the Dominican republlic to the Haitian side where they've scavanged their trees and pillaged the earth. From the looks of it though, they seem to have a surplus of motorcycle helmets, M1 garands and probably a stockpile of M16 carry handles... __________________ Bruce J Kansas City BHJohnson.HST@Gmail.com "Although I can accept talking scarecrows, lions and great wizards in emerald cities, I find it hard to believe there is no paperwork involved when your house lands on a witch."

February 22, 2004, 19:26	#12
darkest2000 Registered FALaholic #: 13475 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 325	Those AR type weapons without carrying handles are actually the Taiwanese Type 64s, I don't know how those Haitians got their hands on those but I do know that a number of those T64s were exported from Taiwan during the 80's. Some prototypes of the T64 actually utilizes a gas piston. It is pretty much a combination of AR18 and the M16. It is very interesting to see those weapons in actual use. And if you are wondering why they don't have carrying handles, well the reason is quite simple, it's cheaper and takes less machining to make a upper receiver without a handle Last edited by darkest2000; February 22, 2004 at 19:37.

February 22, 2004, 19:47	#13
EOD Registered FALaholic #: 6033 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 750	Fast forward...USA by the end of the century.

February 22, 2004, 20:54	#16
Mark E A. Registered FALaholic #: 11731 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 65	Check the forth pic down from the top. It’s the side hold for the Garand, you just use the op-rod for a close combat sight LOL. Mark __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." ~~ Thomas Jefferson (1776)

February 22, 2004, 21:08	#17
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	Its the Gangsta Garand __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

February 22, 2004, 22:09	#18
Indycar Registered FALaholic #: 3404 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Indy Posts: 951	You guys are missing the obvious! The knot on the head of the gangsta is from the recoil of his zip gun causing it to come back and knock him in the head.

February 24, 2004, 11:45	#21
RobertJ Registered FALaholic #: 9588 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fl. Posts: 56	Well, except for the "Jungle cliped" magazines where is everyones spare mags in the photos? That will be the shortest firifight in battle Also the one Hatian with the Galil... can he tape those mags any further apart? I didnt know ther were anymore Hatians left in hati, thought they were all working for Disney World now __________________ "...Shop smart, Shop S-Mart..."

February 24, 2004, 13:19	#22
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	eh they dont need much ammo. THey outnumber the police about 5 to 1 and Haiti has no army. __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

February 25, 2004, 08:06	#23
tiblow Registered FALaholic #: 12893 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 1,097	Hey, how are the US guys in the picture??? State Dept. Security, or who. t

February 25, 2004, 08:35	#24
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	should be US Marines...part of the detachment sent down to guard the embassy __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

February 25, 2004, 14:57	#25
M2A2 Registered FALaholic #: 7544 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 486	The orignal boys in the hood.I thought I was looking at photos of Gary IN. __________________ "Dear God, please help us in the coming struggle. But if you can't, please don't help the enemy. We will honor our sacred bargain. Send us targets and we will send you souls for your heavenly purposes. Amen."

February 25, 2004, 16:07	#26
discountupgrades Registered FALaholic #: 12913 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 196	I've never seen marines with that get-up, clearly they are not trying to blend in so why not fatigues? The Marines should be restricted to the embassy grounds and other US concerns too, I'm guessing "security advisors" from the State Department.

February 25, 2004, 22:27	#27
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	could be. Note the ear bud. Did send 50 marines down there to augment the embassy guard Who knows what else __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

February 26, 2004, 17:05	#28
RRotz I'll never learn to play well with others. Jen will ban me if I change my user title again.. FALaholic #: 280 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: USA Posts: 4,743	I notice alot of the rebels have motorcycle helmets for headgear.....lol. __________________ Don't Blame Me, I Voted for McCain! Nov 08 Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kerry! Nov 04

February 27, 2004, 05:40	#29
Falcon FAL Cognoscenti Contributor FALaholic #: 2049 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,771	Foreign Service Officers with the Diplomatic Security Service.

February 27, 2004, 14:39	#30
dmk Registered FALaholic #: 8802 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Way over Yonder, Up in them Hills Posts: 215	What kind of optic is this gentleman using? It looks like a compact ACOG, but that seems like an unusual choice for urban conflict. __________________ Dave - Homeland Security begins at home: Support your Second Amendment. -

February 27, 2004, 15:43	#31
SAMPLEGLOCK19 Registered FALaholic #: 9514 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 40	I'm sorry but gangsters have better guns then the ones being shown here. Nice try but you are dead wrong. No flame intended!

February 27, 2004, 20:01	#32
Falcon FAL Cognoscenti Contributor FALaholic #: 2049 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,771	Looks to be the Compact ACOG, perhaps it's the 1.5x24 version. Here's a few more pics of those two FSO's.

February 27, 2004, 20:45	#33
Guttertroop Banned Marketplace Complaints FALaholic #: 13320 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KY Posts: 64	I dig the Evil Knievel balastic helmets.

February 27, 2004, 22:21	#34
Brian in MN Registered FALaholic #: 289 Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 4,927	What is up with the gloves? Are they cold or something? I kinda wonder about guys who think that looking Hollywood is more important than being able to change mags without fumbling around. __________________ Kalashnikov: The most successful point and click interface in the world.

February 27, 2004, 23:21	#35
ronster Registered FALaholic #: 1378 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: phoenix, arizona usa Posts: 523	gloves are probably for the same reason the cops wear gloves dealing with the junkies here in Phoenix. You don't want what they have (HIV, hepatitis, god only knows what else) __________________ "honi soit qui mal y pense" I don't have to like, pander to, empathize with the plight of, correct the history of oppression for, support directly or indirectly, or in any shape or form put up with anyone regardless of their religious affiliation, ethnic background, country of origin, gender, native language, political affiliation, socioeconimic status, sexual orientation or any other factor.

February 27, 2004, 23:32	#36
bradterry Registered FALaholic #: 6434 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 119	Gloves are not Hollywood or for cold. Hand protection. Dive down into the concrete or gravel or ruck through the woods/jungle with thorny vines and trees. and after 1 or 2 days of festering sores on your hands try to perform A mag change. Just FYI.

February 27, 2004, 23:35	#37
splattermatic "THUG" MODERATOR FALaholic #: 2223 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: southwestern,usa Posts: 6,791	i have been to this place many moons ago (1986) and even back then there was much going on there, lots of up risings, riots, etc.. seems it never cooled down.. the gloves as stated above,, for the same reason our cops wear em.. lots of aids, hepititus,cholora (sp), etc.. it was a cool place to visit, lots of neat things to see, lots of native arts and crafts, voodoo is very prevalent there as well.. it is also a very poor country, i did feel very bad for the people sleeping anywhere they could, no food or clean water.. i was glad when my 2 week stay at the embassy was over... flew next door to santo domingo after that and it was a whole different world,, same island but different.. anyways, i am sure the people of this country have had about enough of their president and want change.. can you really blame them ? after seeing how they live,,, i don't... just my .02,, wished i'dda picked up a few souveneigns when i was there,, lots of people carried all kinds of toys,, probably coulda had one for real cheap.. __________________ the worst thing about making it to middle age, is watching people you know and love, start dying off. i miss you cubby 10-10-08 kim, thanks for being my friend.

February 29, 2004, 21:43	#38
gman552 Registered FALaholic #: 6335 Join Date: May 2002 Location: TX Posts: 1,863	Gloves = hand protection (broken glass, gravel, concrete in urban areas). A lot of the high-speed guys seem to like Nomex aviator gloves. I am definitely not high-speed (I'm a slightly overweight suburbanite ) but my old Air Force Nomex gloves came in handy during a carbine class last summer. It's a lot easier to go into/out of a prone position without gravel embedded in your hands, especially when you're doing it twenty times a day... Also, the gloves don't really cut down on manual dexterity - it was actually easier to do mag changes, malfunction drills, etc. because my sweaty hands were covered. Sunglasses = eye protection (UV light, broken glass, gravel, case separations, etc.) Also makes one look badass

March 01, 2004, 23:23	#39
Brian in MN Registered FALaholic #: 289 Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 4,927	Anyone else see the cover of today's NY Times? Looks like at least one brand spanking new Galil ARM made it over to the sunny island. __________________ Kalashnikov: The most successful point and click interface in the world.

March 02, 2004, 18:40	#40
kalashniKEV Registered FALaholic #: 6056 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: FTCKY Posts: 44	Does the black dude have 2 pistols? The thigh rig must be one of those crappy mag pouches.