WTS US made Venezuelan type Flashiders New lower price! $48 (pics)

**moses** · February 17, 2004, 12:42

UPDATE!

Making more now!

CMP Armory Recently tested this flashider on a dealer sample, Full Auto, short gas system, 15" barreled FAL and dumped the entire mag and it worked great, no flash what so ever!

We hope to have a little video clip up on our website of this soon!

cmparmory.com

new lower price $48 shipped!

as seen on page 231 & 232 of your Blake Stevens The FAL Rifle book

These are standard metric LH thread but I can do them in RH also

These count as one of your US parts!

email for orders gjohnnygun@yahoo.com

**moses** · February 17, 2004, 12:44

side view

denver · February 17, 2004, 15:42

Very nice work.

Do they time with a prong or a slot at BDC?

762minigun · February 17, 2004, 15:54

Very nice!

masman · February 17, 2004, 15:57

awsome!

FAL GRUNT · February 17, 2004, 19:31

figures you hit me when im broke. Is this going to be a one time thing? Or is it possible to get you later for one? -myers

R4 fan · February 17, 2004, 19:41

I've seen moses' excellent work before, but all I can say about these is WOW!

P806 · February 17, 2004, 20:17

Sweet!

SKULL · February 17, 2004, 21:30

I'm not sure when they used those flash hiders, but when I was in Venezuela (sorry, probably spelled that wrong again) in 2000 all I saw was paratrooper (folders) with Imbel combo devices. They still look cool though. Skull!!

**moses** · February 18, 2004, 12:44

Welll actually they are kinda like the Stoll in that it doesn't matter where they time up.
In the Blake Stevens book it shows it timed kinda in between. p.231 & 232

If you have ever tried to time a brake on different STG barrels you will notice that it times differently on each barrel (at least in my numerous experiences)
I came to the assumption that they did not bother timing the threads on the STG's

Also according to the book this Flashider was on the 1954 original version.
Which by the way was in 7 x 49.15 (7 mm 'Liviano') "Liviano" meaning light in spanish
Also say's they only ordered 5000 rifles and some of those were heavy barrels
It does not break down the percentage of each type.
These had T 48 style handguards and a unique rear sight all wood furniture.
They then switched to 7.62 nato and the more well know combo flashider.

Fal grunt, I'll be able to make more upon request so no worry's!

Thanks for all the kind words!

**fal fiend** · February 20, 2004, 07:21

i wonder if they get caught on every vine or small tree u walk by,,i had a 3 prong on my car-15,,,it caught everything .i put the 3 prong with the washer in it,,it works great

fob058 · February 20, 2004, 09:05

Can it be used on a post-ban for a muzzle brake?

McDobber · February 20, 2004, 10:21

I will be buying one of these in the near future.
Moses is a good guy to deal with, I am happy with all of our previous deals.

**fal fiend** · February 20, 2004, 10:46

its a flashider,,so nada on post ban,,,,unless awb goes bye-bye

hongkong3 · March 23, 2004, 10:38

Quote:

Originally posted by fal fiend
i wonder if they get caught on every vine or small tree u walk by,,i had a 3 prong on my car-15,,,it caught everything .i put the 3 prong with the washer in it,,it works great

I had the same problem until I put a wrap of .052 safety wire around the front groove on the Vortex, works great and didn't diminish functioning at all.

**moses** · July 29, 2004, 17:51

A little over six weeks

**moses** · July 29, 2004, 19:01

close up

**moses** · July 29, 2004, 19:05

birds eye view

**J. Armstrong** · July 29, 2004, 20:01

Pm incoming. Has anyone ever seen one of the rear sights anywhere? I'm looking for a new project, this would be a fun one if teh sights and early handguards could be located.

Ssarge · July 30, 2004, 00:50

Have you shot one on a carbine to see just how effective it is?

NZ L1A1 Collector · July 30, 2004, 01:41

Nice looking copy your've made there Moses, I'll have to get one off of you to add to the collection as I don't think I'll see an orginal for sale any time soon

Here's what the sight looks like, they do come up for sale on eBay from time to time. But your looking at in excess of $120 for one.

The flash eliminator isn't 'timed' it's just screwed on tight, there's no need to have it timed to a position.

**moses** · July 30, 2004, 02:26

Actually we (CMP Armory) tested one on a 15" barrel short gas system FAL we made (16" with FH) and it worked great, no flash on an overcast day.
Using Chilean and Port ammo.

**moses** · August 02, 2004, 23:42

^

mojo_matic · August 02, 2004, 23:53

Does the rear of the muzzle device overlap the barrel like a Imbel? If so, ho much? Can you post a pic of the device mounted on a barrel? Thanx.

Rooster · August 03, 2004, 00:58

Mojo, from the pics it does not look like the FH slips over the barrel much at all. Maybe 1/4" beyond the threads would be my guess.

Falfegnügenr1 · August 03, 2004, 18:17

Quote:

Originally posted by NZ L1A1 Collector
....

The flash eliminator isn't 'timed' it's just screwed on tight, there's no need to have it timed to a position.

Well, if you don't want it to blast dust up in your face when shooting prone, you better time it. Just like a G1 or L1A1 flash-hider. Right?

**J. Armstrong** · August 03, 2004, 19:29

No, timing only applieswhen you want a specific "prong" or flash opening orientation. For example, M16 A2 FHs have a wide prong or area of no flash opening. This needs to be timed to be at the bottom or 6 o'clock position, obviously. The Ven. FH is perfectly symmetrical, so theoretically there's no difference. I personally would probably time it so that the "triangle" formed by the prongs was vertical strictly for appearance sake. There isn't going to be much difference in the dust signature no matter how it's oriented.

darkknight9 · August 03, 2004, 19:41

Is it just me, or is moses trying to show off his truck again???

Nice work mo!

-dk9

Falfegnügenr1 · August 03, 2004, 20:04

Quote:

Originally posted by J. Armstrong
No, timing only applieswhen you want a specific "prong" or flash opening orientation. For example, M16 A2 FHs have a wide prong or area of no flash opening. This needs to be timed to be at the bottom or 6 o'clock position, obviously. The Ven. FH is perfectly symmetrical, so theoretically there's no difference. I personally would probably time it so that the "triangle" formed by the prongs was vertical strictly for appearance sake. There isn't going to be much difference in the dust signature no matter how it's oriented.

Is not the M16 flash hider perfectly symmetrical also? It's hard for me to believe that having a prong on the bottom of the M16 matters, but having the prong on the bottom of the Venezulean doesn't. Just becuase the m16's hider has one wider prong than the rest doesn't mean that the prongs on the Venezuelean have no affect.

So, in summary, I can see Three reasons to time the Venezuelan flash hider, just as one should time other FAL (and M16) flash hiders:

1. Aesthetics

2. To resist muzzle climb

3. To reduce muzzle blast in the dirt

Now, in order to prove myself right, I guess I'll just have to get one for testing

**J. Armstrong** · August 03, 2004, 21:30

There's a difference. The A2 hider is assymetric, there is only one wide prong, so gas dispersion is also asymetric, there is a downward force on the muzzle with the hider timed. The Ven FH is symmetric, all prongs evenly spaced, the same width. There is no assymetric gas dispersion to generate a force in one direction, so no effect on muzzle rise. The Ven prongs are pretty narrow, and there is gas dispersion 60 deg downward, so there's probably not a huge effect on dust signature. Truth is, it's probably more fun to "what if", but in the real world, most of us are going to time 'em just as you say - for aesthetic reasons

Sgt Rock · August 03, 2004, 22:45

I recently picked up one of those interesting rear sights at a local show. Been looking for a long time.

**moses** · August 03, 2004, 23:47

Mojo, it covers almost 1/2 inch of the barrel below the threads.

It covers .900 of the barrel total. (almost an inch)

ftierson · August 04, 2004, 00:33

moses,

The FS does look great.

I may need a couple.

Are they 22mm?

**moses** · August 04, 2004, 01:07

The od is .875 (7/8")

i.e. a little bigger than 22mm

**moses** · September 16, 2004, 13:51

Now legal on all fal's

SrBenelli · September 16, 2004, 17:11

Hey man.....put one of 'em aside for me!

Thanks

crcksht · September 18, 2004, 23:26

How do you get it tightened?

JoeLad · September 21, 2004, 14:44

I reckon you can stick a flat blade screwdriver between the prongs and torque it down that way. I used this same method on Stg FHs.

JoeLad

**moses** · September 21, 2004, 16:56

Use your hand with a rubber jar lid remover or use a metal object between the prongs.
It doesn't take much to keep it tight!

**moses** · October 22, 2004, 17:56

SrBenelli, you know you always have a standing order with me!

BC · October 22, 2004, 22:08

I've sent you an email inquiry for a Dutch style combo device.

**moses** · December 08, 2004, 18:28

I have two left ready to ship!

After they're gone I'll have to make more when I get the time!

**moses** · February 12, 2005, 19:42

Making more now and new lower price!

$36 shipped!

SADDLER · February 12, 2005, 22:46

email inbound

**moses** · February 13, 2005, 15:24

Email sent

**moses** · February 17, 2005, 16:52

^

ftierson · February 22, 2005, 00:27

Hey, moses, just wondering if you have any of these bad jessies in stock...

And, if not, when you might be getting some available for us again.

PM sent.

Forrest

ftierson · February 22, 2005, 00:45

paypal sent...

I'm looking forward to playing with it.

Thanks

Forrest

**moses** · February 22, 2005, 16:05

Got it thanks!

**moses** · February 25, 2005, 13:07

Who wants them? I got them!

February 17, 2004, 15:42	#3
denver Registered FALaholic #: 7675 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Co Posts: 268	Very nice work. Do they time with a prong or a slot at BDC? Last edited by denver; February 17, 2004 at 20:26.

February 17, 2004, 15:54	#4
762minigun Registered FALaholic #: 6464 Join Date: May 2002 Location: crossroads of america Posts: 1,497	Very nice! __________________ " A well-regulated militia,being necessary to the security of a free state, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" Any Questions?

February 17, 2004, 15:57	#5
masman Registered FALaholic #: 781 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 5,653	awsome! __________________ somethings wrong with the world when the best rapper is white.the best golfer is black.the french think that the us is arrogant and the germans don't want to go to war

February 17, 2004, 19:31	#6
FAL GRUNT Registered FALaholic #: 7561 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Medina OH Posts: 3,053	figures you hit me when im broke. Is this going to be a one time thing? Or is it possible to get you later for one? -myers __________________ http://myersarms.wordpress.com/

February 17, 2004, 21:30	#9
SKULL Registered FALaholic #: 403 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Depauw, Indiana, USA Posts: 162	I'm not sure when they used those flash hiders, but when I was in Venezuela (sorry, probably spelled that wrong again) in 2000 all I saw was paratrooper (folders) with Imbel combo devices. They still look cool though. Skull!! __________________ Real men wear OD green socks!! CARPE CERVISI!! (seize the beer)

February 17, 2004, 19:41	#7
R4 fan Registered FALaholic #: 1442 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,581	I've seen moses' excellent work before, but all I can say about these is WOW!

February 17, 2004, 20:17	#8
P806 Registered FALaholic #: 8348 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GA Posts: 1,493	Sweet!

February 18, 2004, 12:44	#10
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	Welll actually they are kinda like the Stoll in that it doesn't matter where they time up. In the Blake Stevens book it shows it timed kinda in between. p.231 & 232 If you have ever tried to time a brake on different STG barrels you will notice that it times differently on each barrel (at least in my numerous experiences) I came to the assumption that they did not bother timing the threads on the STG's Also according to the book this Flashider was on the 1954 original version. Which by the way was in 7 x 49.15 (7 mm 'Liviano') "Liviano" meaning light in spanish Also say's they only ordered 5000 rifles and some of those were heavy barrels It does not break down the percentage of each type. These had T 48 style handguards and a unique rear sight all wood furniture. They then switched to 7.62 nato and the more well know combo flashider. Fal grunt, I'll be able to make more upon request so no worry's! Thanks for all the kind words!

February 20, 2004, 07:21	#11
fal fiend Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 7091 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana USA Posts: 2,266	i wonder if they get caught on every vine or small tree u walk by,,i had a 3 prong on my car-15,,,it caught everything .i put the 3 prong with the washer in it,,it works great

February 20, 2004, 09:05	#12
fob058 Registered FALaholic #: 12099 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Eastern Kentucky Posts: 73	Can it be used on a post-ban for a muzzle brake?

February 20, 2004, 10:21	#13
McDobber Registered FALaholic #: 6054 Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 690	I will be buying one of these in the near future. Moses is a good guy to deal with, I am happy with all of our previous deals.

February 20, 2004, 10:46	#14
fal fiend Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 7091 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana USA Posts: 2,266	its a flashider,,so nada on post ban,,,,unless awb goes bye-bye

July 29, 2004, 17:51	#16
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	A little over six weeks

July 29, 2004, 20:01	#19
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,502	Pm incoming. Has anyone ever seen one of the rear sights anywhere? I'm looking for a new project, this would be a fun one if teh sights and early handguards could be located. __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

July 30, 2004, 00:50	#20
Ssarge Registered FALaholic #: 247 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 7,473	Have you shot one on a carbine to see just how effective it is? __________________ http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member899.png

July 30, 2004, 02:26	#22
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	Actually we (CMP Armory) tested one on a 15" barrel short gas system FAL we made (16" with FH) and it worked great, no flash on an overcast day. Using Chilean and Port ammo.

August 02, 2004, 23:42	#23
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	^

August 02, 2004, 23:53	#24
mojo_matic banned - trolling marketplace FALaholic #: 12363 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Carlisle, IN Posts: 3,257	Does the rear of the muzzle device overlap the barrel like a Imbel? If so, ho much? Can you post a pic of the device mounted on a barrel? Thanx.

August 03, 2004, 00:58	#25
Rooster Banned (Temp) FALaholic #: 9328 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: US Posts: 4,868	Mojo, from the pics it does not look like the FH slips over the barrel much at all. Maybe 1/4" beyond the threads would be my guess.

August 03, 2004, 19:29	#27
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,502	No, timing only applieswhen you want a specific "prong" or flash opening orientation. For example, M16 A2 FHs have a wide prong or area of no flash opening. This needs to be timed to be at the bottom or 6 o'clock position, obviously. The Ven. FH is perfectly symmetrical, so theoretically there's no difference. I personally would probably time it so that the "triangle" formed by the prongs was vertical strictly for appearance sake. There isn't going to be much difference in the dust signature no matter how it's oriented. __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

August 03, 2004, 19:41	#28
darkknight9 Registered FALaholic #: 7459 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,039	Is it just me, or is moses trying to show off his truck again??? Nice work mo! -dk9 __________________ "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." Latin: "A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand." -Seneca, Letters to Lucilius ...in a divorce, it is easier to leave mad than to say, 'I just can make more money doing something else.' -DABTL

August 03, 2004, 21:30	#30
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,502	There's a difference. The A2 hider is assymetric, there is only one wide prong, so gas dispersion is also asymetric, there is a downward force on the muzzle with the hider timed. The Ven FH is symmetric, all prongs evenly spaced, the same width. There is no assymetric gas dispersion to generate a force in one direction, so no effect on muzzle rise. The Ven prongs are pretty narrow, and there is gas dispersion 60 deg downward, so there's probably not a huge effect on dust signature. Truth is, it's probably more fun to "what if", but in the real world, most of us are going to time 'em just as you say - for aesthetic reasons __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

August 03, 2004, 22:45	#31
Sgt Rock Registered FALaholic #: 564 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 965	I recently picked up one of those interesting rear sights at a local show. Been looking for a long time.

August 03, 2004, 23:47	#32
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	Mojo, it covers almost 1/2 inch of the barrel below the threads. It covers .900 of the barrel total. (almost an inch)

August 04, 2004, 00:33	#33
ftierson Registered FALaholic #: 13827 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 11,048	moses, The FS does look great. I may need a couple. Are they 22mm?

August 04, 2004, 01:07	#34
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	The od is .875 (7/8") i.e. a little bigger than 22mm

September 16, 2004, 13:51	#35
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	Now legal on all fal's

September 16, 2004, 17:11	#36
SrBenelli Registered FALaholic #: 672 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,431	Hey man.....put one of 'em aside for me! Thanks __________________ Ask me about the Carolina FAL'ers! If we could just get everyone to close their eyes for 15 minutes and visualise world peace, imagine how quiet...how serene it would be....till the looting started! :fal:

September 18, 2004, 23:26	#37
crcksht Registered FALaholic #: 15315 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Volunteer State Posts: 1,159	How do you get it tightened?

September 21, 2004, 14:44	#38
JoeLad Registered FALaholic #: 3353 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: SE PA Posts: 3,243	I reckon you can stick a flat blade screwdriver between the prongs and torque it down that way. I used this same method on Stg FHs. JoeLad

September 21, 2004, 16:56	#39
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	Use your hand with a rubber jar lid remover or use a metal object between the prongs. It doesn't take much to keep it tight!

October 22, 2004, 17:56	#40
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	SrBenelli, you know you always have a standing order with me!

October 22, 2004, 22:08	#41
BC Registered FALaholic #: 752 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: cc Posts: 2,307	I've sent you an email inquiry for a Dutch style combo device.

December 08, 2004, 18:28	#42
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	I have two left ready to ship! After they're gone I'll have to make more when I get the time!

February 12, 2005, 19:42	#43
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	Making more now and new lower price! $36 shipped!