Practicing for 100 yd 1" dot challenge.

**ArtBanks** · July 16, 2017, 11:20

Got out for a bit this morning with my M25 with Kreiger ss in JAE with Leupold 8.5 - 25 for a little practice. Been awhile since she was out on the range. Trying a little different fodder today.

175 smk in Berdan DAG brass with Tula primer over 43.2 gr of RE 15.
running at 2500 fps. For the 10 rnds fired max spread was .70 ". Looks like I need to skip my morning coffee next time.

Semper Fi
Art

ALL FAL · July 16, 2017, 15:51

Well done, even with coffee.

kotengu · July 16, 2017, 16:35

Very nice!

Orlando8 · July 16, 2017, 17:24

That dot challenge will drive you insane on a good day

**ArtBanks** · July 16, 2017, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando8

That dot challenge will drive you insane on a good day

You got that right. Since Art L. started it on the M14 forum in 2015 I have managed to stay on top. Recently a couple of fellows are starting to get pretty good. Time for me to practice again. I like being good at at least one thing.

Semper Fi
Art

01BIRDDOG · July 16, 2017, 17:40

Outstanding shooting Sir.

Falfan2017 · July 16, 2017, 18:00

Now try that with a stock mosin Nagant with original irons and mil surp ammo. That will be a true test.

**ArtBanks** · July 16, 2017, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Falfan2017

Now try that with a stock mosin Nagant with original irons and mil surp ammo. That will be a true test.

True test of something, but I am not quite sure what.
I don't think I could even see the 1" dots without my optics.
Could try to run Nascar circuit with a Hugo to. About the same.

Orlando8 · July 16, 2017, 18:57

No one knows how difficult it really is until they actually try it. You get humbled in a hurry

**ArtBanks** · July 17, 2017, 07:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando8

No one knows how difficult it really is until they actually try it. You get humbled in a hurry

Indeed. You have to have just about everything working. Trigger conrol, postion,breathing and yes even heart rate.

Practicing for this I single load and get up from position and then back down to establish all over again between shots then acquire site picture and go for it.
Challenge is a good descriptive word for it especially with an M-14 type rifle.

**MAINER** · July 17, 2017, 07:43

Maybe you could use a nip of "Old Sight Settler". Hear it was a favorite with the old High Power guys.

.700" for 10 rounds, I'd say that was a bit all right.

Invictus77 · July 17, 2017, 09:34

Nice shooting Art

Invictus77 · July 17, 2017, 09:35

Like mainer said, a nip of "sight settler" does work, however heavily frowned upon by ROs. My best shooting is mid-day on Sunday after we come home from church for a late brunch with a couple vodka & OJs. Mind is clear and hands are steady

LKY_13 · July 17, 2017, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando8

No one knows how difficult it really is until they actually try it. You get humbled in a hurry

Need a like button.

Very nice shooting, Art.

justashooter · July 17, 2017, 11:17

do it with open sights. most people with intact neurology and focal ability can resolve a black on white contrast that subtends a minute of angle, which is about an inch square at 100 metres. this is apparently the maximal sensitivity for resolution of edge boundary in the retinotopic function of the M cells in the striate cortex...wish I still could.

TenTea · July 17, 2017, 12:21

Looks like fun to me!

One inch dots are my customary target at 100 yards, with an optic, although I usually shoot for group instead of doing the *one hit wonder.*

Sorta off topic:

My summer goal is at 50 yards and to *clean* a 25 dot target (.75" diameter and one shot per dot) with a 10/22 I put together last winter.
Not the same game but still a challenge, for me.
It ought to be easy, right?

I've recently scored 23 and 24 hits with CCI Standard Velocity but haven't cleaned it...yet.

**ArtBanks** · July 17, 2017, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by TenTea

Looks like fun to me!

One inch dots are my customary target at 100 yards, with an optic, although I usually shoot for group instead of doing the *one hit wonder.*

Sorta off topic:

My summer goal is at 50 yards and to *clean* a 25 dot target (.75" diameter and one shot per dot) with a 10/22 I put together last winter.
Not the same game but still a challenge, for me.
It ought to be easy, right?

I've recently scored 23 and 24 hits with CCI Standard Velocity but haven't cleaned it...yet.

10 ring on 50 yd 22 bench rest is 22cal. 20 targets with two spotters.
I have cleaned them with my Kimber Gov 22. and with my Volquartsen 10/22.
You really have to work for those too.

**Hebrew Battle Rifle** · July 17, 2017, 19:19

What are the rules?

flopshot · July 17, 2017, 20:31

yep, try it with a 10/22. you'll be measuring rim thickness and taking your tubes temperature. sure is nice to smoke a couple high end bolt guns though,

tac-40 · July 17, 2017, 20:41

Did the 1 inch squares at 25 yds for the Appleseed using my M&P15-22 (before the ban). Really a PITA but doable. Don't think irons at 100 yards is doable, definitely not from me.

Any rifle or does it have to be an M14 clone? got a couple of bolt guns I'd like to try it with. Plus my AR10.

Make your own targets or purchased where?

**ArtBanks** · July 18, 2017, 04:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hebrew Battle Rifle

What are the rules?

If you are asking about the 100yd 1" dot challenge, rifle must be an M-14 type any configuration. Photo of rifle and target must be posted. 1 shot per dot.
Ammo load description. May be shot from any position.
Any shot contacting the dot is considered a hit.
Personally I shoot prone, but many shoot from a bench.
Try it , you may like it.

Semper Fi
Art

**Hebrew Battle Rifle** · July 18, 2017, 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtBanks

If you are asking about the 100yd 1" dot challenge, rifle must be an M-14 type any configuration. Photo of rifle and target must be posted. 1 shot per dot.
Ammo load description. May be shot from any position.
Any shot contacting the dot is considered a hit.
Personally I shoot prone, but many shoot from a bench.
Try it , you may like it.

Semper Fi
Art

I am currently minus an M-14. I have been attempting to remedy this, but so far I have not been able to get a reply from any of the sellers that I have contacted.

**ArtBanks** · July 19, 2017, 02:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hebrew Battle Rifle

I am currently minus an M-14. I have been attempting to remedy this, but so far I have not been able to get a reply from any of the sellers that I have contacted.

Give it a shot with an FAL. My 50.00 does a fairly good job, but nothing like a built M-14.

fnogger · July 19, 2017, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by TenTea

Looks like fun to me!

One inch dots are my customary target at 100 yards, with an optic, although I usually shoot for group instead of doing the *one hit wonder.*

Sorta off topic:

My summer goal is at 50 yards and to *clean* a 25 dot target (.75" diameter and one shot per dot) with a 10/22 I put together last winter.
Not the same game but still a challenge, for me.
It ought to be easy, right?

I've recently scored 23 and 24 hits with CCI Standard Velocity but haven't cleaned it...yet.

Try the "tack driving" game on RFC - http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=462689

My 10/22 build can do it, but I have to step up from CCI SV to SK Std+ or SK Rifle Match.

**ArtBanks** · July 19, 2017, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by tac-40

Did the 1 inch squares at 25 yds for the Appleseed using my M&P15-22 (before the ban). Really a PITA but doable. Don't think irons at 100 yards is doable, definitely not from me.

Any rifle or does it have to be an M14 clone? got a couple of bolt guns I'd like to try it with. Plus my AR10.

Make your own targets or purchased where?

Bolt rifles and the AR 10 should be able to do 1/2" dots. Totally different class.
Semper Fi
Art

RG Coburn · July 19, 2017, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtBanks

True test of something, but I am not quite sure what.
I don't think I could even see the 1" dots without my optics.
Could try to run Nascar circuit with a Hugo to. About the same.

Did a postal match on another site a few years back,with a M39 Finn,irons only,using Czech silvertip surplus,and my best group ran about an 1 1/2" @ a hundred. The rifle...capable.The ammo..capable..Me? Anymore? I guess I could try again...
What the heck...you have the ammo,the shizz rifle...give it a whirl...

bfoosh006 · July 20, 2017, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando8

That dot challenge will drive you insane on a good day

You can say that again !!!

It is Proof that it only takes a tiny adjustment to throw off your shooting !!

July 16, 2017, 11:20	#1
ArtBanks Senior Member Platinum Contributor FALaholic #: 28761 Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Preston, CT Posts: 957	Practicing for 100 yd 1" dot challenge. Got out for a bit this morning with my M25 with Kreiger ss in JAE with Leupold 8.5 - 25 for a little practice. Been awhile since she was out on the range. Trying a little different fodder today. 175 smk in Berdan DAG brass with Tula primer over 43.2 gr of RE 15. running at 2500 fps. For the 10 rnds fired max spread was .70 ". Looks like I need to skip my morning coffee next time. Semper Fi Art Last edited by ArtBanks; July 16, 2017 at 14:30.

July 16, 2017, 15:51	#2
ALL FAL Registered FALaholic #: 24447 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 9,126	Pretty darn fancy Art. Well done, even with coffee. __________________ COBC #1- That's all Folks.

July 16, 2017, 16:35	#3
kotengu Registered FALaholic #: 1594 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Baxter, TN, USA Posts: 7,286	Very nice! __________________ "The way is in training." - Miyamoto Musashi

July 17, 2017, 07:43	#11
MAINER Old Salt Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 18465 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 9,163	Maybe you could use a nip of "Old Sight Settler". Hear it was a favorite with the old High Power guys. .700" for 10 rounds, I'd say that was a bit all right. __________________ Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.

July 17, 2017, 09:34	#12
Invictus77 1C 16:13 Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 74205 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Western, KY Posts: 4,886	Nice shooting Art __________________ A 9 mm "might" expand A 45 will NEVER shrink!!

July 16, 2017, 17:24	#4
Orlando8 Registered FALaholic #: 38748 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 285	That dot challenge will drive you insane on a good day

July 16, 2017, 17:40	#6
01BIRDDOG Registered FALaholic #: 54639 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southwest Virginia---Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 1,673	Outstanding shooting Sir.

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Falfan2017 Registered FALaholic #: 79031 Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Gulf Coast, MS Posts: 402	Now try that with a stock mosin Nagant with original irons and mil surp ammo. That will be a true test.

July 16, 2017, 18:57	#9
Orlando8 Registered FALaholic #: 38748 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 285	No one knows how difficult it really is until they actually try it. You get humbled in a hurry

July 17, 2017, 09:35	#13
Invictus77 1C 16:13 Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 74205 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Western, KY Posts: 4,886	Like mainer said, a nip of "sight settler" does work, however heavily frowned upon by ROs. My best shooting is mid-day on Sunday after we come home from church for a late brunch with a couple vodka & OJs. Mind is clear and hands are steady __________________ A 9 mm "might" expand A 45 will NEVER shrink!!

July 17, 2017, 11:17	#15
justashooter Registered FALaholic #: 5967 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: york, pa. Posts: 6,430	do it with open sights. most people with intact neurology and focal ability can resolve a black on white contrast that subtends a minute of angle, which is about an inch square at 100 metres. this is apparently the maximal sensitivity for resolution of edge boundary in the retinotopic function of the M cells in the striate cortex...wish I still could. __________________ If the concept of heading on down to the local Home Depot and transforming $100 worth of random pipe bits into a killing machine doesn’t appeal to you, you’re a frikkin' pansy. Also, you’re probably sane and will live significantly longer than I will. Nonetheless you disgust me, and I take comfort in the knowledge that your obituary will be nowhere near as humorous as mine. The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same. Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?" "In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad." "But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Max. "You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."

July 17, 2017, 12:21	#16
TenTea Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 72247 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Wisco Posts: 2,463	Looks like fun to me! One inch dots are my customary target at 100 yards, with an optic, although I usually shoot for group instead of doing the one hit wonder. Sorta off topic: My summer goal is at 50 yards and to clean a 25 dot target (.75" diameter and one shot per dot) with a 10/22 I put together last winter. Not the same game but still a challenge, for me. It ought to be easy, right? I've recently scored 23 and 24 hits with CCI Standard Velocity but haven't cleaned it...yet. __________________ =------} We aim to please ~ you aim too, please... =------} They strain gnats and swallow camels... =------} Just a battleship mouth and a rowboat ass...

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Hebrew Battle Rifle Horses Ass Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 5777 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,221	What are the rules? __________________ THANK YOU JESUS

July 17, 2017, 20:31	#19
flopshot Registered FALaholic #: 21389 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,421	yep, try it with a 10/22. you'll be measuring rim thickness and taking your tubes temperature. sure is nice to smoke a couple high end bolt guns though, __________________ "The spirit of Shlomo is strong in this one. " L Haney

July 17, 2017, 20:41	#20
tac-40 Moderator Armed Curmudgeon FALaholic #: 12090 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SC-Low Country Posts: 7,166	Did the 1 inch squares at 25 yds for the Appleseed using my M&P15-22 (before the ban). Really a PITA but doable. Don't think irons at 100 yards is doable, definitely not from me. Any rifle or does it have to be an M14 clone? got a couple of bolt guns I'd like to try it with. Plus my AR10. Make your own targets or purchased where? __________________ Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. Lt. Col. Grant L. Rosensteel, Jr. USAF ______________________________ If you do in fact have a problem, you have the rest of your life to solve it. How long your life lasts only depends on how well you solve it.

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