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Old July 16, 2017, 11:59   #1
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Turkey Buzzard Problem

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Have always had healthy buzzard population and leveraged to clean up varmints too lazy to go bury or otherwise dispose of. Normally when shoot squirrel let them fall to either feed the feral cats or draw coyote in. Can pop a couple in the early evening and by midnight usually get a coyote or two roll up for execution. With the large coyote population and lean pickings since folks have learned to keep small pets indoors with any luck a coyote execution leads to another or few coming to knaw on their dead tribe member thus more executions. As far as we can tell only one other person in earshot that seems to shoot regularly enough to be doing the same though know a few other neighbors run suppressors. Past two decades buzzards roosted in trees about a half mile north as mostly wooded area. Recently for some reason house two doors down got them in back yard to point began using fireworks and installed spike strips on eve of roof.

Since spring buzzards moved to trees behind our house and becoming significant pests. At times will be over a dozen on rear deck and know it's time to clean gutters based on their landing on roof to pick through leaves debris for grubs and worms. Clean gutters and unless put all debris in wheelbarrow and haul off they just dig through the debris along foundation of house. Back of house is over 20 feet from gutter to ground so getting debris from gutters and valleys of roof to land in wheelbarrow is tough which leads to raking but doesn't get all. Seems like they have run off the feral cats that lived off mice and dead squirrel. Now having to get more active about fighting mice outside the house to keep them from finding ways in. The buzzards are freaking wife out as becoming more and more bold.

Have taken to cleaning gutters more throughly and disposing of debris. Also spending a lot more time going after dead varmints with a shovel and burying to discourage them but problem is still getting worse. Since they went to roosting on deck rail installed spike strips to discourage so they went to roosting on deck furniture. Turned chairs upside down, took umbrella off table and been chunking lots of fireworks out back door when a flock swoops in. This morning went out front door about 4 am to slip around side of house with the night vision coyote rifle and was over a dozen sleeping on rails of front porch. After zapping the coyote took a broom and slapped a couple which freaked them out and as went into panic flight they all were spewing sh!t all over porch as trying to figure out what was up while still mostly asleep. Luckily have had lots of rain which keeps most of the buzzard crap washed off deck but not off front porch. If not on front porch they also roost on ridge cap of roof and our nice metal roof is covered with acidic bird droppings. Between that and always poking in gutters they have out worn welcome.

Have always been a buzzard friendly person as something has to eat all the road kill and till recently appreciated them eating whatever I was too lazy to pick up after killing. If they would roost in trees and just eat dead stuff all would be fine. Seems to be three different flocks on or near our property now. One actually swooped at wife when tried to run them off deck, they stare in kitchen windows at her and are making her uneasy. Do not want to drill holes to install bird spikes on ridge caps of roof, don't want to spend the money on swapping to the new high tech gutters and wife doesn't like the spikes on deck as it's her little outdoor haven and can't flip over out pre WW2 iron yard furniture if wants to sit on deck in morning or evening when cool. Can't use railings for rifle rest without risking getting stabbed with spike strips now. Have installed a lot of electric bird strips on signs and roofs ridges for clients and especially billboards but do not want the added attraction of EMP/lightning events running electronic bird strips along lip of roof, ridge caps, etc. Never had great luck with the commercial paint additives that are supposed to deter birds, mainly pigeons.

For 30 years have run all kinds of bird infestations off signs and roofs for clients but do not want any of the solutions that work attached to my house permanently and wife said this morning the buzzards had to go. She actually put an official "contract" on all buzzards but had to tell her are protected species and there is nothing nastier than watching a buzzard eating itself after being shot. Seen that more than once, someone shoot a buzzard dead center with high power rifle putting significant hole through them, many just look at gaping entrance hole in chest and start pulling own guts out and eating themselves to death. Used to know a really perverted guy who did this for sport, used 30-06 black tip to make good solid hole but do minimum short term trauma then he and a couple buddies would wager on how long it would take buzzard to actually die. Sure, could slaughter a flock as from seeing others murder them, shooting one usually doesn't spook the flock but they become very interested in their buddy with the bullet hole and help him eat himself.

Talked to guys two doors down on July 4th and said buzzards were the reason they were shooting off fireworks year round as after they installed spikes went to roosting on their cars, porch, etc. Next door neighbor on other side is having same issue and he blasted two in past week because has carport instead of garage and were roosting on his wife's car. Called Game & Fish to see if they helped under these circumstances or if any special rules for extreme buzzard issues. My idea was paint ball gun with pepper balls to see if the pepper affected buzzards, would at least bruise them and hurt. Game Warden said shooting them with paintball gun was illegal but unlikely to get more than a minor ticket if caught. Also said like coyote and deer, buzzards were such a common complaint odds were if willing to go in front of a jury finding a dozen people in this area that would convict a person for pepper balling a vulture would be slim if willing to hire lawyer. When a flock fills one of the poplar trees at fence line would be easy peasy to bust a half dozen or more at a time with 34 grain Dogtown hollow points from one of the 22 Hornets. Imagine inside of a couple weeks they would either learn to move elsewhere or be coyote bait which would not bother me at all except know we need buzzards in the food chain. Till they started causing damage to house and upsetting wife we had a great relationship. They stayed in woods till heard crack of rifle and smelled blood. Since kill varmints almost daily I am contributing to the issue by spraying blood and guts all around the Ponderosa.

If they had not run off my mice eating feral cats, started damaging house and upset spousal unit we could all still live in harmony. Have only used one high frequency sound device that worked on birds and it costs over $500 plus unsure if the constant exposure to the high frequencies might cause wife to stab me in the eye with a fork some night. So now am asking for any successful out of the box solutions to buzzard pollution. Hate to run them off totally and hate idea of killing them even worse just because rotting, stinking dead animals laying around sucks. If get them back to roosting just 100 yards from house, stay off deck, porch and roof without covering everything with spike strips and electric shock devices all will be fine. So who has the magic buzzard voodoo?
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Old July 16, 2017, 13:14   #2
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" So who has the magic buzzard voodoo?"

I wish I knew. They are really getting bold here in town. Dead squirrels in the road draws a few and they seem to dare you to run them over. There was a flock of thirty or more roosting in one man's back yard here in Cameron. I think they used propane cannons to scare them off. I have had them around an old dilapidated "barn" in the country and even had them lay eggs and hatch chicks.

As for that federal protection, it seems to me that only works if their protector is actually there. Egrets get the same "protection" and run the same risks. Dead buzzards stink for months; I don't think anything else will eat one, maybe not even another buzzard. Nasty damned birds.
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You might want to edit your post, I've known people to get buthurt over the killing of tree rats, and an over zealous prosecutor could cause you trouble for shooting and leaving a state controlled game animal.

Personallly I would go out and buy a full auto airsoft rifle and manually repel them, air soft hurts but won't break the skin. I used to have a neighbor who I exchanged fire with on a regular basis, another vet and all in fun but it does hurt like hell when you aren't expecting it. Or You might try one of these,

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bird bombs

or for pleasure and cheapness

Wrist rocket and frozen paint balls
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Old July 16, 2017, 19:31   #5
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Bird bombs are now DD I think.

Have a friend with a major problem on his game ranch. Eating babies while being delivered and newborns. USFWS will issue permits to remove without too much paperwork, depending on your local office and the amount of degree of nuisance.
Vultures/buzzards have a pretty high intelligence level ,smarter than parrots and
falcons, highly trainable and can deduce simple problems. Will probably do well when SHTF and beyond. They are now as urban as coyotes.
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You might want to edit your post, I've known people to get buthurt over the killing of tree rats, and an over zealous prosecutor could cause you trouble for shooting and leaving a state controlled game animal.

Personallly I would go out and buy a full auto airsoft rifle and manually repel them, air soft hurts but won't break the skin. I used to have a neighbor who I exchanged fire with on a regular basis, another vet and all in fun but it does hurt like hell when you aren't expecting it. Or You might try one of these.
Won't be any issue with wasting tree rats 24/7/365 as have multiple reports of damage. Right now have a ladder going to attic of work and rifle in attic to shoot the ones that have found way in again. Have had Ma Bell out twice to repair phone/DSL, alarm company three times and electrician twice. The squirrel are such a problem locally even cops are shooting them. Three LEO's will hang out at work on lunch breaks and on occasion tinted windows rolls down and little puff from suppressed 22 pops and a squirrel hits the ground. Have papers from DNR declaring then a nuisance due to the extreme damage are doing to business and home properties. Squirell and coyote are freebies just like ground hog are. Crow are free any time during growing season if in a farmers field or anywhere during season. I shoot the crap out of all. No buzzards at work but plenty of feral cats that dissappear when unlock gates in morning and migrate all around building when lock up. No mice or rat problem and they clean up the days squirrel. We have a deal, leave me alone during work day and they have run of exterior rest of time. Kill over 10 per day sometimes and have killed over 100 in a month when pecan trees put on nuts.

Have four pecan trees at house and fig. The squirrel go crazy for figs. If we don't kill,them wholesale they bring their nuts in the attic or basement to hide. They are ingenious about gaining entry by chewing holes in eve's and coming in. Had all the eve's of my house covered in aluminum as they don't seem to chew any kind of metal, just wood and vinyl. At work have dozens of holes patched with metal and can't seem to find their most recent means of ingress so when hear in attic run up ladder, grab 10/22 setup with tactical light a zap them. Have suppressed 10/22 loaded with subsonic next to side door and shoot them daily. Shot one off side of house one morning a few weeks ago that was actively chewing a hole in area that had wood and vinyl still. They have become extreme nuisance and have set off burglar alarm three times at work in past six months. Was no troube getting permits for work and house. Shoot ground hog weekly at home (thus far held back to neighbors yards) and noticed my first at work just recently. Any varmint can kill legally I exterminate. Know over year have shot over 500 squirrel at work as shooting in city is illegal and I have fought annexation every time. Am a little island of county jurisdiction inside of town and any renters that move in and complain about squirrel shooting or my indoor range get the rules read by cops first trip out.

So bad during fig season and pecan season wife has become a squirrel murderer as I can't be home like she is. Took a while for her to get her mind around killing them, let hit the ground and leave for other animals to tote off but she has adapted well and her sniping skills have really sharpened up. If legal way would shoot buzzards till they went away as my wife likes wildlife and doesn't like my friends deer huntil in yard but we have hit deer five times in trucks and once on motorcycle within a mile of home. Every animal can think of is now of epic nuisance proportion. Talk to DNR, get any permits or applicable rules and stay inside the lines. Unfortunately buzzards are protected and can't even do anything that makes contact with them and like paintballs was told airsoft, BB guns, pellets; all are illegal.

At work have had to resort to traps and poison for squirrel and dislike poison but cannot shoot them fast enough. Have to get then back in control before fall pecan season or its going to be pure hell. Now have buzzards to deal with. Threw three cherry bombs on back deck yesterday eve and one on front porch. Can't imagine lining gutters with spike strips as will make leaf buildup and cleaning impossible. Don't want to penetrate my new metal roof with screws for any devices have used. DNR suggested fireworks as best legal way to discourage. It has to work or going to follow wife's command. No more buzzards on her deck, staring in windows and walking on roof sounding like people make so much noise up there. First one catch on trucks will change the rules. Luckily rained last night and washed roof bUT why they tried to seek shelter on front porch. Have bark sensors that emit high frequency whine to control an neighbors dogs who apparently doesn't care if they bark all night. Other neighbors dog will only bark if animal in sight and knows my rifle will bark if alerts me.

Turned in yard one evening and five or six deer in front yard went crazy running in panic mode, ran into side of my main and spare work trucks and got tangled in fence. Easter Morning left house early and as pulled out of drive had a deer hit me in drivers side fender and another passenger side quarter panel. Inside city limits bow hunters are killing deer wholesale but not keeping up. Over a dozen businesses locally now that come chase/catch nusiance wildlife. These guys are expensive and only install devices to discourage buzzards. Not breaking down on the $500 high frequency device though researching building one. Other day as walking out door to truck caught three squirrel and only recourse was to pull suppressed 9mm SIG from briefcase and drill them with 147 grain 9mm hollow points. Messy. One way or another buzzards go back to the tree line at fence or dissapear. Wonder if the mob will let me dispose of them in foundation pours of skyscrapers? Have a paid pigeon job on a big business entrance sign as crapping on clients. Entire world around here is gone wild with scraggly, ugly, flea/tick infested wildlife populations and decades of regular killing used to keep them at fence line for most part but now it's just slowing them, are getting in structures. Poison for squirrel at house may become necessary soon but then the feral cats eat them and die. I shoot varmints daily and others just whine or pay a wildlife service to deal with. When chicken farmers offer to pay people to shoot coyou and corn farmers offer to shoot crow and could likely pay my bills doing so it has become an epic issue.
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The big problem you'll have is that they are a protected species, just like hawks, owls, and eagles. So don't do anything the critter cops will frown on.


That said, we have a problem wtih them here at work. Damaging buildings, etc. But the real big problem is our teaching zoo - 25-100 birds will congregate, steal food from the zoo animals, etc.


So our zoo folk have a permit to launch fireworks at them. Screeming meemies, buzz bombs, mortars, whatever. Loud whistles going up, loud report.

Keeps 'em away for about 20 minutes - long enough for feeding time.
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I really do not have advice I could offer you..

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There is a house here in town that is close to the landfill. With that said he has been 150 to 200 on the house, yard, and trees. It's actually very creepy and every agency has tried to clean them up from Va. Game Commission, local animal control you name it. They have tried it all to include the old method of killing one and hanging it from said tree. Didn't work so they killed five of them and it still didn't work. So now they have given up and they just keep multiplying and getting more brazen. The five were killed with a suppressed AR-15 and hung up for a week. They have two dogs tied up outside and they pester them to death. County offered to take said dogs in and the old man refused. I know one of the animal control guys and I'll check to see if they have come up with anything recently. But I doubt it as I drove by Saturday and the yard was full. While they are nasty what freaks me out is when they spread their wings while just standing there to sun themselves. Driving by and like 50 to 75 are out there like that.
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I don't believe in the sonics. Tried them to keep mice out of my vehicles in the garage. Didn't work. They are protected, and beneficial. But everybody wears out their welcome. If they are "harassing your livestock", you may have legal options.
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You have an overabundance of food supply around you, Huey.
This is the core of the problem.

Every 7 years you need to let the land lay fallow and live off of what you have stored during that 6th year. (Biblical).

I think you need to consider stopping the source of your problems and let nature take its course instead of doing battle with it any longer.

I'm not sure exactly what that would entail but I'm sure you are cogent enough to connect the dots and devise a plan of action.

It'll probably take a couple of years to accomplish but then you can hopefully get the situation back in balance/manageable.

Keep us posted as this is reminiscent of our current social problems of the entitlement species.

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Had my monthly nerve block yesterday which meant staying at home today. In the anesthesia mix fog of Fentanyl and Propofol had a genius idea. Being retarded forces my best ideas to come when not sitting on my brain. While laying face down on surgical table and anesthesiologist was swapping from Zofran to Fentanyl then Propofol my brain fired one of my last remaining synapses. We go through a half gallon of Almond Milk every day, wife is lactose intolerant and I discovered like vanilla almond milk better than the real deal on my shredded wheat plus it keeps for months unrefridgerated. Went to our recycle bin before sunrise this morning and filled five jugs with water and left lids off. Set them at even intervals on deck rail, opened a kitchen window and removed screen then slid back almost closed. Screwed suppressor on my SIG 1911 Tacops and loaded it with a magazine of PMC Starfire. For some reason around breakfast time is when they begin to gather on deck railings and they were intrigued with the almond milk cartons trying to stick their beaks in the little spouts when I entered kitchen to refill coffee cup. Picked up the big SIG Tacops TB, lined up one of the half gallon jugs with a buzzard trying to stick his head in spout and busted the jug with a 45 acp 185 grain hollow point.

They didn't even have instinct to un @$$ the A.O. immediately were so panicked and managed to bust two more jugs before all flew away showering them with water and shredded cardboard. In kitchen, full house 45 acp rocking away and the big titanium Hybrid suppressor does such a good job it didn't even wake the wife but the buzzards have not returned today. Replaced the jugs blew up and have a SIG 9mm with Osprey suppressor that wife likes loaded with the pink box high velocity, low recoil Hornady Critical Defense ammo next to 45. Told wife whenever she sees the buzzards bust whichever jug is closest to one and if able to bust more before they leave to do her best not to get excited and shoot out one of my high efficiency double paned windows. No way will the 45 Starfire or low recoil 9mm Critical Defense carry enough mass or energy after hitting a half gallon jug of water to be of any danger. No way to miss from under 20 feet either, just center the jug and bust crap out of it.

My only mistake was not having the video cameras on porch. Have cameras on idle now and if they come back just have to tap record button on phone or tablet interface as picking up a pistol. Tomorrow hope they have chilled enough to return as will have cameras, removed all screens from kitchen windows and total of seven jugs. Plan is to wake wife tomorrow or gather her up if return this evening and one start on left, other on right and race to midle jug. Makes it a tactical pistol exercise in team engagement for both of us and scares the absolute crap out of the buzzards. I might have to start taking drugs again so able to come up with more ingenious ideas. Am so pissed didn't have my new action cams rolling as may have been the funniest thing have seen in a decade. First buzzard was fully concentrated on trying to get in jug when it blew up suprised it didn't have a heart attack. Was so stunned he was last of flock to fly off, others were flapping and starting to move or fly as busted second two jugs. Don't think Hollyweird movie special effects could have done better.

Half gallon cardboard milk jugs, large caliber suppressed handgun loaded with hollow points and your well into some buzzard buzz kill. They have returned before end of day if not immediately from cherry bombs but think the hydrostatic force bullet set up on water jugs and spray of something sudden got their attention. Maybe I should patent the idea.








Wait, what's that? Do I hear water running, suppressors getting threaded on and slides racking from afar?
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Had my monthly nerve block yesterday which meant staying at home today. In the anesthesia mix fog of Fentanyl and Propofol had a genius idea. Being retarded forces my best ideas to come when not sitting on my brain. While laying face down on surgical table and anesthesiologist was swapping from Zofran to Fentanyl then Propofol my brain fired one of my last remaining synapses. We go through a half gallon of Almond Milk every day, wife is lactose intolerant and I discovered like vanilla almond milk better than the real deal on my shredded wheat plus it keeps for months unrefridgerated. Went to our recycle bin before sunrise this morning and filled five jugs with water and left lids off. Set them at even intervals on deck rail, opened a kitchen window and removed screen then slid back almost closed. Screwed suppressor on my SIG 1911 Tacops and loaded it with a magazine of PMC Starfire. For some reason around breakfast time is when they begin to gather on deck railings and they were intrigued with the almond milk cartons trying to stick their beaks in the little spouts when I entered kitchen to refill coffee cup. Picked up the big SIG Tacops TB, lined up one of the half gallon jugs with a buzzard trying to stick his head in spout and busted the jug with a 45 acp 185 grain hollow point.

They didn't even have instinct to un @$$ the A.O. immediately were so panicked and managed to bust two more jugs before all flew away showering them with water and shredded cardboard. In kitchen, full house 45 acp rocking away and the big titanium Hybrid suppressor does such a good job it didn't even wake the wife but the buzzards have not returned today. Replaced the jugs blew up and have a SIG 9mm with Osprey suppressor that wife likes loaded with the pink box high velocity, low recoil Hornady Critical Defense ammo next to 45. Told wife whenever she sees the buzzards bust whichever jug is closest to one and if able to bust more before they leave to do her best not to get excited and shoot out one of my high efficiency double paned windows. No way will the 45 Starfire or low recoil 9mm Critical Defense carry enough mass or energy after hitting a half gallon jug of water to be of any danger. No way to miss from under 20 feet either, just center the jug and bust crap out of it.

My only mistake was not having the video cameras on porch. Have cameras on idle now and if they come back just have to tap record button on phone or tablet interface as picking up a pistol. Tomorrow hope they have chilled enough to return as will have cameras, removed all screens from kitchen windows and total of seven jugs. Plan is to wake wife tomorrow or gather her up if return this evening and one start on left, other on right and race to midle jug. Makes it a tactical pistol exercise in team engagement for both of us and scares the absolute crap out of the buzzards. I might have to start taking drugs again so able to come up with more ingenious ideas. Am so pissed didn't have my new action cams rolling as may have been the funniest thing have seen in a decade. First buzzard was fully concentrated on trying to get in jug when it blew up suprised it didn't have a heart attack. Was so stunned he was last of flock to fly off, others were flapping and starting to move or fly as busted second two jugs. Don't think Hollyweird movie special effects could have done better.

Half gallon cardboard milk jugs, large caliber suppressed handgun loaded with hollow points and your well into some buzzard buzz kill. They have returned before end of day if not immediately from cherry bombs but think the hydrostatic force bullet set up on water jugs and spray of something sudden got their attention. Maybe I should patent the idea.








Wait, what's that? Do I hear water running, suppressors getting threaded on and slides racking from afar?
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Today not a single buzzard has appeared on our deck, porch or even inside the fence line. I may have caused some mental anguish and trauma. Fist day in weeks wife did not have to complain about them looking in the kitchen windows at her. My seven half gallon milk jugs are still in place and kind of hope they visit one more time so able to video the event though removed cams for evening now. Will put back out abut 5:00 am and leave to go to work, don't want wife trying to deal with camera controls and a suppressed SIG from inside kitchen without help. The big 45 does a better job on milk jugs than the reduced recoil 9mm does anyway. Think seems to be a good solution as 36 hours without a flock of buzzards is a record period of time over recent months.
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