For all those who want to see volunteer cops

[the gman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1743599.html

Please 'splain how a bunch of volunteers would have the resources to track POS like these nasty bastards and bring them to justice?? Some absolutely outstanding work was done and continues to be done in tracking these sick and disgusting scumbags.

All that is left is to summarily execute them immediately after their trial. Unfortunately, that won't happen.

[L Haney]

I really can't think of a better crowd for a mass execution. I'm thinking half time at that big football game they have every year.

[Andy the Aussie]

Child porn purveyors/makers/users are now one of the very best organised and technically savvy criminal enterprises in existence. The resources required to catch and prosecute them is mind boggling. Sadly in most cases the punishment never does fit the crime.

[RG Coburn]

Perhaps the volunteers can man the Pizza Hut...

[JasonB]

Didn't you join the police force of your own free will? Or are you meaning something else? If something else, who specifically used the phrase "volunteer cops"?

And how many cops who are child molesters/pornographers are getting the professional courtesy free pass to varying degrees?

[SWOHFAL]

Originally Posted by the gman

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1743599.html

Please 'splain how a bunch of volunteers would have the resources to track POS like these nasty bastards and bring them to justice?? Some absolutely outstanding work was done and continues to be done in tracking these sick and disgusting scumbags.

All that is left is to summarily execute them immediately after their trial. Unfortunately, that won't happen.

Not every cop should be a volunteer, but more would be better and many of the first persons in cybercrime units were non-LEO technical professionals.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by L Haney

I really can't think of a better crowd for a mass execution. I'm thinking half time at that big football game they have every year.

Pay per view. Proceeds benefit the victims and the wing of law enforcement tracking these sick fuggs. Hunger game style but the winner gets to live castrated in a cell where the sodomites get to use him for a bucket.

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Pay per view. Proceeds benefit...the wing of law enforcement tracking these sick fuggs.

You really, really do not want that.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by JasonB

You really, really do not want that.

Probably not. It would most assuredly balloon into something unintended. Just strike that part out. Look a little more promising?

[Andy the Aussie]

Originally Posted by SWOHFAL

Not every cop should be a volunteer, but more would be better and many of the first persons in cybercrime units were non-LEO technical professionals.

out here that is exactly what they are for the most part.

[Andy the Aussie]

Originally Posted by JasonB

And how many cops who are child molesters/pornographers are getting the professional courtesy free pass to varying degrees?

.... really ? Got some evidence of that or just your opinion ? I know of a number of Police here who have been happily arrested and charged by "their own", if you will, for just these offenses, in fact I would say quite the opposite of what you suggest is true in that Police will go as hard as they possibly can against those in the ranks that stoop to such depths of depravity.

[Thorack]

Well,

US SCOTUS says you can't prosecute if its digitally created child porn. Unfortunately unless you have a broken child these evil scum don't get prosecuted.

Thorack

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie

.... really ? Got some evidence of that or just your opinion ? I know of a number of Police here who have been happily arrested and charged by "their own", if you will, for just these offenses, in fact I would say quite the opposite of what you suggest is true in that Police will go as hard as they possibly can against those in the ranks that stoop to such depths of depravity.

Well we had the MO deputy who kidnapped and raped a 14 year old under by using his position of authority get a suspended sentence from a MO judge because the judge was concerned he would be harmed in prison due to his LE status. While not involving children, there was the female LAPD officer who murdered her ex lovers new wife back in the mid 80s and her brother/sister officers at the time refused to take a look at her despite the victim's family informing them of numerous death threats the officer had made against their daughter and the only item stolen from the dwelling was a marriage license.

[RG Coburn]

You guys do realise the man/boy rape thing is going on right now in Afghanistan,right? dancing boys? And Uncle Sam looks the other way,cuz' its "cultural"..
Gotta keep fightin' for that "freedom"! And "democracy"!

[SWOHFAL]

Originally Posted by JasonB

Well we had the MO deputy who kidnapped and raped a 14 year old under by using his position of authority get a suspended sentence from a MO judge because the judge was concerned he would be harmed in prison due to his LE status. While not involving children, there was the female LAPD officer who murdered her ex lovers new wife back in the mid 80s and her brother/sister officers at the time refused to take a look at her despite the victim's family informing them of numerous death threats the officer had made against their daughter and the only item stolen from the dwelling was a marriage license.

Or the Alabama cop who orally sodomized a boy after pulling him over, or....

[Thorack]

RG Coburn,

Child buggery is legal in Afghanistan, just like its legal for a husband to beat his wife in public in Iraq. Unfortunately we don't make local laws even if they and the people are repugnant.

Thorack

[Andy the Aussie]

SWOH and Jason, examples I agree and I could detail you ten more here *I* know of... all prosecuted and incarcerated. The point is Cop or not it happens but it is pursued. Your comment Jason seems to be that all cops turn a blind eye to this when in reality (for crimes such as these) quite the opposite is my experience.

Andy

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie

SWOH and Jason, examples I agree and I could detail you ten more here *I* know of... all prosecuted and incarcerated. The point is Cop or not it happens but it is pursued. Your comment Jason seems to be that all cops turn a blind eye to this when in reality (for crimes such as these) quite the opposite is my experience.

Andy

If I mean "all" I will say "all".

So considering we have been treated to LE assisting other LE in a wide range of crimes(everything from drunk driving to murder), why do you think officers who harm children are inevitably pursued?

[Andy the Aussie]

Jason, your own personal bias would make this an almost pointless discussion. I guess I have seen a different side to LE pursuing their own than you or what you choose to see. I don't at all expound that it NEVER happens that is of course not true but I would suggest that the average Rock Spider is far more loathed within the LE community than almost anywhere else (because they have and continue to see the damage such filth do up close) no matter what their occupation.

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie

Jason, your own personal bias would make this an almost pointless discussion. I guess I have seen a different side to LE pursuing their own than you or what you choose to see. I don't at all expound that it NEVER happens that is of course not true but I would suggest that the average Rock Spider is far more loathed within the LE community than almost anywhere else (because they have and continue to see the damage such filth do up close) no matter what their occupation.

I can be swayed. Start showing some videos featuring cops stopping other cops when they commit a wrongful act instead of aiding them. Shouldn't be too hard to find for someone who thinks so highly of them right?

[L Haney]

I know of some police officers who shielded another from an inquiry as to who shit in a particular swimming pool. But, as I whole hardheartedly agreed that particular pool should have been shit in, I stood mute, and did not volunteer any information.

Guess that makes me a bad citizen.

[shlomo]

Originally Posted by L Haney

I know of some police officers who shielded another from an inquiry as to who shit in a particular swimming pool. But, as I whole hardheartedly agreed that particular pool should have been shit in, I stood mute, and did not volunteer any information.

Guess that makes me a bad citizen.

In Spain they shit in people's dairy products, if Hemingway is to be believed.

[JeffJ]

I just think everyone wants a professional police force who don't act like a gang of thugs who like to cover each others crimes and bully the unarmed.

[the gman]

Originally Posted by JasonB

Well we had the MO deputy who kidnapped and raped a 14 year old under by using his position of authority get a suspended sentence from a MO judge because the judge was concerned he would be harmed in prison due to his LE status. While not involving children, there was the female LAPD officer who murdered her ex lovers new wife back in the mid 80s and her brother/sister officers at the time refused to take a look at her despite the victim's family informing them of numerous death threats the officer had made against their daughter and the only item stolen from the dwelling was a marriage license.

Nice stretch including the female LAPD officer. Care to reach even further? Care to quote where I ever said all cops were lily white and never committed crimes? The MO deputy didn't get a break from his colleagues; they did their job in arresting, charging and having the DA prosecute him. The JUDGE let the guy off with a far too light sentence, nothing to do with the cops so they didn't give him a pass at ALL.

I know of a couple investigations involving child porn and in neither case was there any attempt to cover up, minimize or not investigate the individuals concerned. If anything, officers went the extra mile in minutely detailing every possible offense, determined to ensure the despicable bastards had no room to wiggle.

You can try to obfuscate all you want Jason but the reality is that when it comes to child porn, I would feel 100% comfortable stating no officer is going to get a pass or be assisted in a cover up from another officer or department. The only possible way would be if there was a ring of these sleazebags in a department and they conspired together. Other than that, the #1 thing cops hate above all else are child molesters, abusers and murderers.

To suggest otherwise is a new low, even for you.

BTW, in the commonly understood usage, a volunteer is generally regarded as someone undertaking a service willingly and without pay rather than in the way you attempted to frame it.

Originally posted by JeffJ

I just think everyone wants a professional police force who don't act like a gang of thugs who like to cover each others crimes and bully the unarmed.

ABSOLUTELY! The citizens of this country have a right to expect this from their officers and deputies. We're straying far away from the point of this topic which was to debunk a theory postulated in this forum some months ago along the lines of "we don't need full time cops anyway, we could do the same job with a few unpaid volunteers." I'd love to see these volunteers solve some of the murders, scams and frauds which occur everyday but I digress.

Many American police departments and Sheriff's offices do a fine job but sure, there are ones where unprofessional, arrogant, obnoxious, inadequate and sometimes criminal personnel are employed. Should everything be done to weed these folks out? You bet! As I have posted many times before, YOU, the citizens are required to participate in the process or you will get the government you deserve, the politicians you deserve and the local government you deserve. Make some noise and change things! Or not, eh Jason??

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by the gman

Nice stretch including the female LAPD officer.

So it is common when a murder has been committed to not investigate people who have made death threats against the victim? Interesting.

Originally Posted by the gman

Care to reach even further? Care to quote where I ever said all cops were lily white and never committed crimes?

I never claimed that you said that so are you going anywhere with that or just running laps?

Originally Posted by the gman

The MO deputy didn't get a break from his colleagues; they did their job in arresting, charging and having the DA prosecute him. The JUDGE let the guy off with a far too light sentence, nothing to do with the cops so they didn't give him a pass at ALL.

Yeah, there is no symbiotic relationship between LE and the judiciary.

Originally Posted by the gman

I know of a couple investigations involving child porn and in neither case was there any attempt to cover up, minimize or not investigate the individuals concerned. If anything, officers went the extra mile in minutely detailing every possible offense, determined to ensure the despicable bastards had no room to wiggle.

You can try to obfuscate all you want Jason but the reality is that when it comes to child porn, I would feel 100% comfortable stating no officer is going to get a pass or be assisted in a cover up from another officer or department. The only possible way would be if there was a ring of these sleazebags in a department and they conspired together. Other than that, the #1 thing cops hate above all else are child molesters, abusers and murderers.

To suggest otherwise is a new low, even for you.

You would think the same among Catholic clergy, but unfortunately that is not the case. You would think the same about teachers and child welfare types, but a few years back a husband/wife team featuring one of each occupation had been raping their daughter and filming it for years.


Back in the 90s I read about a cop who was apparently in to molesting kids. Now not everyone he was working with was enthused about it, but he ended up getting his assignments shifted around and was allowed to stay on till retirement.

Originally Posted by the gman

BTW, in the commonly understood usage, a volunteer is generally regarded as someone undertaking a service willingly and without pay rather than in the way you attempted to frame it.

So who suggested that?

Originally Posted by the gman

Originally posted by JeffJ



ABSOLUTELY! The citizens of this country have a right to expect this from their officers and deputies. We're straying far away from the point of this topic which was to debunk a theory postulated in this forum some months ago along the lines of "we don't need full time cops anyway, we could do the same job with a few unpaid volunteers." I'd love to see these volunteers solve some of the murders, scams and frauds which occur everyday but I digress.

And once again, who said anything about an unpaid volunteer police force with no resources?

[VonFireball]

Please 'splain how a bunch of volunteers would have the resources to track POS like these nasty bastards and bring them to justice?? Some absolutely outstanding work was done and continues to be done in tracking these sick and disgusting scumbags.

I agree but I think volunteers policing the streets are a whole lot more cost effective than some dude letting his cruiser run while he hits the dunkin for breakfast, mcd's for lunch, and starvin marvins for dinner. Professionals in the lab, volunteers from the neighborhood police the streets=success.

[Abominog]

I don't know how I missed this one!


Can we go back to the cops who take advantage of their positions to store, examine, and enjoy kiddie porn? I visited the Paramatta gaol when they had the going-out-of-business sale, and the gift shop had bookmarks that were made from kiddie porn 1"x1" photos laminated in plastic. Oh, those silly Australian coppers/porners! And Alaskan cops too. And those in New Mexico. And probably fly over states.

[the gman]

Originally Posted by Abominog

I don't know how I missed this one!


Can we go back to the cops who take advantage of their positions to store, examine, and enjoy kiddie porn? I visited the Paramatta gaol when they had the going-out-of-business sale, and the gift shop had bookmarks that were made from kiddie porn 1"x1" photos laminated in plastic. Oh, those silly Australian coppers/porners! And Alaskan cops too. And those in New Mexico. And probably fly over states.

Care to post some links to the info you post? Or shall we just take you at your word?

[Abominog]

Originally Posted by the gman

Care to post some links to the info you post? Or shall we just take you at your word?

Well, Paramatta did close...

[Andy the Aussie]

It did.... sadly you didn't get the whole experience and spend a night there.... I am sure you would have been made feel welcome...

Gman.... 'Nog is yank'n yer chain.... and a couple of others...

[John Crusher]

I've occassionally wanted to be my own "Gang of thugs". Like when they caught the scumbag crack addict needle freak that broke into my house. The Detective told me he'd be O.K. with letting me in the room with him but then he'd have to arrest me. So I had to settle for the satisfaction of a phone call when he died in prison. Justice works. I've got a Niece,Nephew and Son-in Law that are LEOs and true Professionals so Jason B, STFUMF!! You've got a sh1t pot of posts and just a registered status. Pony Up !!