SAIGA 12 TACTICAL LIGHT

J MOSBY · July 07, 2012, 20:13

I need a good LED light hopefully that does not use a rail. Rechargable while on the gun would be nice. Adjustable beam that won't change while shooting would be nice. If the same kind would work on a Winchester 1200 it would be nice.

The primary intended use is for in the house, less than 50 ft. secondary use in the yard no more than 100 ft. Hopefully less than $100.

**GOVT1911** · July 09, 2012, 10:51

You want fries with that?

I think you figured out just enough required criteria to pretty much discount every light I've seen!

sorry I'm not much help.

J MOSBY · July 09, 2012, 13:11

It would seem thar way, I have seen a clamp that attaches any 1" flashlight onto the barrel. I might have to be the first one to try one.

br82722 · July 09, 2012, 21:23

I'm not much help either, but over at candlepowerforums:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...Me-a-Light-For

Good luck. Keep us posted.

J MOSBY · July 19, 2012, 23:09

Alright I give up. What is a good way to mount a light on an un-modified Saiga 12 ?

**Drtrumpet** · July 20, 2012, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by J MOSBY

Alright I give up. What is a good way to mount a light on an un-modified Saiga 12 ?

Dude, just get one of those polymer hand guards with the three rails molded into the front. Works great and runs in the $30 range IIRC.

J MOSBY · July 20, 2012, 17:54

Thanks, Just exactly what I need. Where might one be located? I can only find quadrails.

0302 · July 20, 2012, 18:49

cheaper than dirt has the sgm tri-rail for $65+ shipping, cheapest i could find

**Drtrumpet** · July 20, 2012, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0302

cheaper than dirt has the sgm tri-rail for $65+ shipping, cheapest i could find

Maybe so, I saw a couple listed on the boards for 30 or so, new must be in the $60 range.

DeMilled · July 21, 2012, 05:29

I have the exact foreguard that Drtrumpet posted.
I love it.

I have a LED flashlight mounted to the foreguard using one of the El Cleapo scope rings sold at wally world.

I mounted the flashlight just infront of where my hand grips the foreguard and use my thumb to hit the tail cap clicker. Very convenient. My flash light has high, low, and strobe modes. My shotgun only has Muzzle Flash mode...

This is the vender I usually go to for S-12 accessories
http://store.carolinashooterssupply....-12/Categories

As for your flashlight needs; the only thing killing you is the adjustable beam, otherwise you could go to Lowes Hardware and grab a $30 LED flashlight that'll blind the shit out of anyone you point it at.

In the world of flashlights you reach a certain point where you get into the weird batteries. I bit the bullet and got into the 18650 batteries/flashlights and never looked back. You can't buy replacements for them at a gas station but I only use these flashlights at home, so I'm OK with it.

Here are some flashlights to consider...
http://www.monsterflashlight.com/?gc...FQKEnQodohIAdQ

I am going to order this guy when my fun budget allows for it.
http://shop.monsterflashlight.com/Mo...e-R5-320-5.htm

Bear in mind that I have a 190 lumen Cree3 LED and I think it is ridiculous bright. When I shine the light on our indoor walls from 10 feet away it is uncomfortable to my eyes and that's just the amount of light that gets reflected off the walls.
These new LED lights really will mess up someones eyes when you light them up and that strobe function is no joke.

One last thing; if you just want to put a flashlight on your S-12 and don't want to do a full on conversion right now, I suggest you look at having someone mill a flat spot on your stock guard, add a short section of picatinny rail and call it a day.
Having one of the cool go-faster foreguards on an otherwise un-converted S-12 would look gay. Just saying...
http://store.carolinashooterssupply....-3-Rail/Detail

J MOSBY · July 21, 2012, 07:12

I really appreciate that sir, at $10 that is something to consider, this is a tool, not a beauty contestant.

DeMilled · July 21, 2012, 12:44

Form over function!

Have you seen the conversions where the owner went all out with nice wood stocks and foreguards? They look very nice but that's more than I want to spend on my S-12.

Now, a bayonet mount is functional so that's still OK with me...

J MOSBY · July 21, 2012, 13:03

If it cost more than the gun to hell with it. I got a late start, still working on tomatoes, radios, pvc, the wife etc. I'm too old for bayonets, just do reloading drills.

Jez Cruzen · July 25, 2012, 07:28

Just convert that puppy. You can do it yourself in about an hour.

J MOSBY · July 25, 2012, 12:51

There does not seem to be enough room on the hand guard for my hand and a light. As bad as I hate it I might have to use a barrel mount.

0302 · July 26, 2012, 12:02

try the utg ak side rail scope mount. it has 1913 rails on the top and the side. a light could be mounted on the left side of the mount.

0302 · July 26, 2012, 12:06

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B001F...sporting-goods

here is the utg mount $28

J MOSBY · July 26, 2012, 15:53

That foreguard has an extended length to accommodate a light, a little pricey at $74, but one on the way.

Old18C · July 31, 2012, 18:52

Got this forearm for $30 at Knob Creek a few years ago. Seen them everywhere but this was the best price I could find. The rails attach left, right, or bottom with bolts.

http://store.carolinashooterssupply....NDGUARD/Detail

ronpaulFAL · August 03, 2012, 15:41

You can find short (1-2 in) sections of rail that are designed to clamp onto your barrel. You can attach an affordable Streamlight TLR or other light right to that and get a pressure plate if desired.

J MOSBY · August 03, 2012, 20:39

I got the foreguard Drtrumpet has pictured and a Streamlight TRL1s. Probably not the best setup but I am well satisfied with it. 160 lumens, I saw one (diferent brand) at Walmart today that said 190 w-strobe at half the price.

br82722 · August 08, 2012, 22:49

I used a magpul rail ($10?) and put a TLR1 ($100?) on it. If I was to do it again I probably would use this:
http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...Neutral/Detail
MAYBE with this:
http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...tch-for/Detail
rather than the TLR1.

The light takes 18650 cells and I would have to buy a charger for them ... but it would still be cheaper than the TLR1. It throws more lumens and is also known to be a decent P60 host. It would be heavier. But 18650 vs CR123 would be worth it!

(I do not work for, or have interest in ShiningBeam, but I have ordered from them before and wilil again.)

July 07, 2012, 20:13	#1
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	SAIGA 12 TACTICAL LIGHT I need a good LED light hopefully that does not use a rail. Rechargable while on the gun would be nice. Adjustable beam that won't change while shooting would be nice. If the same kind would work on a Winchester 1200 it would be nice. The primary intended use is for in the house, less than 50 ft. secondary use in the yard no more than 100 ft. Hopefully less than $100. __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

July 09, 2012, 10:51	#2
GOVT1911 Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 9433 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raeford, NC Posts: 3,215	You want fries with that? I think you figured out just enough required criteria to pretty much discount every light I've seen! sorry I'm not much help. __________________ I don't make policy, I just enforce the last 300 Meters of it.

July 09, 2012, 13:11	#3
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	It would seem thar way, I have seen a clamp that attaches any 1" flashlight onto the barrel. I might have to be the first one to try one. __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

July 19, 2012, 23:09	#5
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	Alright I give up. What is a good way to mount a light on an un-modified Saiga 12 ? __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

July 20, 2012, 17:54	#7
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	Thanks, Just exactly what I need. Where might one be located? I can only find quadrails. __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

July 09, 2012, 21:23	#4
br82722 Registered FALaholic #: 33715 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 166	I'm not much help either, but over at candlepowerforums: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...Me-a-Light-For Good luck. Keep us posted.

July 20, 2012, 18:49	#8
0302 Registered FALaholic #: 348 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,700	cheaper than dirt has the sgm tri-rail for $65+ shipping, cheapest i could find

July 21, 2012, 05:29	#10
DeMilled Registered FALaholic #: 39666 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southern Kentucky Posts: 392	I have the exact foreguard that Drtrumpet posted. I love it. I have a LED flashlight mounted to the foreguard using one of the El Cleapo scope rings sold at wally world. I mounted the flashlight just infront of where my hand grips the foreguard and use my thumb to hit the tail cap clicker. Very convenient. My flash light has high, low, and strobe modes. My shotgun only has Muzzle Flash mode... This is the vender I usually go to for S-12 accessories http://store.carolinashooterssupply....-12/Categories As for your flashlight needs; the only thing killing you is the adjustable beam, otherwise you could go to Lowes Hardware and grab a $30 LED flashlight that'll blind the shit out of anyone you point it at. In the world of flashlights you reach a certain point where you get into the weird batteries. I bit the bullet and got into the 18650 batteries/flashlights and never looked back. You can't buy replacements for them at a gas station but I only use these flashlights at home, so I'm OK with it. Here are some flashlights to consider... http://www.monsterflashlight.com/?gc...FQKEnQodohIAdQ I am going to order this guy when my fun budget allows for it. http://shop.monsterflashlight.com/Mo...e-R5-320-5.htm Bear in mind that I have a 190 lumen Cree3 LED and I think it is ridiculous bright. When I shine the light on our indoor walls from 10 feet away it is uncomfortable to my eyes and that's just the amount of light that gets reflected off the walls. These new LED lights really will mess up someones eyes when you light them up and that strobe function is no joke. One last thing; if you just want to put a flashlight on your S-12 and don't want to do a full on conversion right now, I suggest you look at having someone mill a flat spot on your stock guard, add a short section of picatinny rail and call it a day. Having one of the cool go-faster foreguards on an otherwise un-converted S-12 would look gay. Just saying... http://store.carolinashooterssupply....-3-Rail/Detail

July 21, 2012, 07:12	#11
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	I really appreciate that sir, at $10 that is something to consider, this is a tool, not a beauty contestant. __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

July 21, 2012, 12:44	#12
DeMilled Registered FALaholic #: 39666 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southern Kentucky Posts: 392	Form over function! Have you seen the conversions where the owner went all out with nice wood stocks and foreguards? They look very nice but that's more than I want to spend on my S-12. Now, a bayonet mount is functional so that's still OK with me...

July 21, 2012, 13:03	#13
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	If it cost more than the gun to hell with it. I got a late start, still working on tomatoes, radios, pvc, the wife etc. I'm too old for bayonets, just do reloading drills. __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

July 25, 2012, 07:28	#14
Jez Cruzen Registered FALaholic #: 5331 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: East Coast Posts: 753	Just convert that puppy. You can do it yourself in about an hour.

July 25, 2012, 12:51	#15
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	There does not seem to be enough room on the hand guard for my hand and a light. As bad as I hate it I might have to use a barrel mount. __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

July 26, 2012, 12:02	#16
0302 Registered FALaholic #: 348 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,700	try the utg ak side rail scope mount. it has 1913 rails on the top and the side. a light could be mounted on the left side of the mount.

July 26, 2012, 12:06	#17
0302 Registered FALaholic #: 348 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,700	http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B001F...sporting-goods here is the utg mount $28

July 26, 2012, 15:53	#18
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	That foreguard has an extended length to accommodate a light, a little pricey at $74, but one on the way. __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

July 31, 2012, 18:52	#19
Old18C Registered FALaholic #: 27615 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: WV Posts: 12	Forearm Got this forearm for $30 at Knob Creek a few years ago. Seen them everywhere but this was the best price I could find. The rails attach left, right, or bottom with bolts. http://store.carolinashooterssupply....NDGUARD/Detail

August 03, 2012, 15:41	#20
ronpaulFAL Registered FALaholic #: 65535 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: somewhere Posts: 2,165	You can find short (1-2 in) sections of rail that are designed to clamp onto your barrel. You can attach an affordable Streamlight TLR or other light right to that and get a pressure plate if desired.

August 03, 2012, 20:39	#21
J MOSBY Registered FALaholic #: 2738 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,162	I got the foreguard Drtrumpet has pictured and a Streamlight TRL1s. Probably not the best setup but I am well satisfied with it. 160 lumens, I saw one (diferent brand) at Walmart today that said 190 w-strobe at half the price. __________________ If we loose freedom here Theres no place to escape to This is the last stand on earth Ronald Reagan

August 08, 2012, 22:49	#22
br82722 Registered FALaholic #: 33715 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 166	I used a magpul rail ($10?) and put a TLR1 ($100?) on it. If I was to do it again I probably would use this: http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...Neutral/Detail MAYBE with this: http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...tch-for/Detail rather than the TLR1. The light takes 18650 cells and I would have to buy a charger for them ... but it would still be cheaper than the TLR1. It throws more lumens and is also known to be a decent P60 host. It would be heavier. But 18650 vs CR123 would be worth it! (I do not work for, or have interest in ShiningBeam, but I have ordered from them before and wilil again.)

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