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Old February 01, 2019, 23:56   #1
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How Ireland Confiscated and then banned handguns

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1972 Temporary Custody Order and Pistols in Irish firearms law

One of the most controversial events in the history of the Firearms Acts occurred in 1972. The Troubles in Northern Ireland (1970–1998) were becoming a security concern for the Irish government at the time, and in 1972 a Temporary Custody Order (S.I. No. 187/1972 – Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order, 1972)[24] was issued for all privately held pistols and all rifles over .22 calibre to be surrendered to local Garda Síochána (police) stations by 5 August 1972, for a period of one month. This order was complied with, but when firearms owners returned to reclaim their firearms, they were informed that their licences had expired while their firearms were in custody (Irish firearms licences until 2008 were issued for a period of one year, and all licences were usually dealt with at the same time, usually at the start of August, though the date has changed over the years). Since the firearms were no longer licensed, they could not be returned until a new licence was issued; upon seeking a renewal of their licences, applicants were informed that a new Garda policy was in place that would refuse licence applications for all pistols and all firearms over .22 in calibre. As such, the firearms in Garda custody remained in Garda custody.

This situation continued until the late 1990s, when fullbore rifles of calibres up to .270 Winchester were permitted to be licensed for the purposes of deer hunting on humane grounds (prior to this, only the .22–250 cartridge was available for deer hunting and it was felt to be only barely capable of this task). All other firearms held in custody remained there, until the repeal of the Garda policy following a high court case in 2004 taken by Irish shooter Frank Brophy to obtain a licence for an Olympic target shooting pistol[25] succeeded and the licence was granted. Following this, firearms held in storage by the Gardaí were reclaimed by those owners still alive or their descendants. As these pistols were never formally confiscated (and some were sold off by their owners and removed from Garda custody in that manner), no compensation was claimable by the owners.

Following the Brophy case, some 300 pistols were licensed in Ireland, ranging from new Olympic air pistols (which are firearms under Irish law) to reclaimed pre-1972 pistols to new centerfire pistols. While welcomed by the target shooting community, in 2008 opposition deputies Jim Deasy and Olivia Mitchell campaigned to ban these pistols on the grounds that they could be used in crime. Despite multiple parliamentary questions from as early as 2005,[26][27][28][29][30] where it was stated that there was no proof that this was happening, Minister Ahern announced a ban on all handguns in November 2008.[31]

This ban was fought by the various governing bodies of shooting sports in Ireland, with the end result as of 2011 that air and small-bore pistols may still be licensed in Ireland, but all centerfire pistols not licensed prior to 17 November 2008 cannot be licensed.
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Old February 02, 2019, 07:15   #2
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After Katrina, no laws were needed for confiscation. Just the word of a dumb and incompetent Mayor and an even dumber and more incompetent Police Chief.

Confiscated guns were intentionally thrown into a wet pile on the floor by our corrupt police to rust away to ruin. Many were intentionally broken by our corrupt police. Sure, some guns were returned but they were junk

You don't need laws to to confiscate guns, just a corrupt government.
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After Katrina, no laws were needed for confiscation. Just the word of a dumb and incompetent Mayor and an even dumber and more incompetent Police Chief.

Confiscated guns were intentionally thrown into a wet pile on the floor by our corrupt police to rust away to ruin. Many were intentionally broken by our corrupt police. Sure, some guns were returned but they were junk

You don't need laws to to confiscate guns, just a corrupt government.
And people willing to accede to the demands of a corrupt government.
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Old February 02, 2019, 12:57   #4
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Plenty of video of cops taking guns. The guy is surrounded. It's either fighting a short battle and dying or surrendering his gun and living. Didn't everybody see the footage of the 80 year old woman that got tackled by 4 cops and her revolver was removed?

I was in/near New Orleans at the time. My co-workers were eye witness to several straight up, flat out murders committed by the police. Strange, unprovoked murders that seemed more like joy killings than anything else.

Why would a law make any difference when you have the cops making their own laws and doing joy killings?
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Old February 04, 2019, 11:55   #5
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Plenty of video of cops taking guns. The guy is surrounded. It's either fighting a short battle and dying or surrendering his gun and living. Didn't everybody see the footage of the 80 year old woman that got tackled by 4 cops and her revolver was removed?

I was in/near New Orleans at the time. My co-workers were eye witness to several straight up, flat out murders committed by the police. Strange, unprovoked murders that seemed more like joy killings than anything else.

Why would a law make any difference when you have the cops making their own laws and doing joy killings?
Next big-ass flood it isn't going to be like Katrina. Too many big storm -veterans now. Also foreign state anti-gunners like Kali and Kentucky po-po and National Guard can and will stay the Hell away. We don't need any anti-gun confiscating bastards around here. We have enough trouble of our own. Let them go confiscating guns from their own neighborhoods.

I would have never thought National Guard soldiers from Kentucky would be so anti-gun. They must have been from Knoxville or Lexington liberal enclaves of Kentucky. I sure was surprised at them for being such assholes.

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Old February 04, 2019, 13:54   #6
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Confiscations as mentioned will surly occur again in the future as anti-gun politicians use some event to do what they always wanted to do to begin with... take your guns. Thats why its smart to not keep all your eggs in one basket, if you know what I mean.
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