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Old March 13, 2019, 18:39   #51
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We will likely go into Bolivia soon for their Lithium, one of the reasons we went into Afghanistan - venezuela is about oil of course !
Why would we want the syrup/sludge that comprises the oil in Venezuela?

It is a sour heavy crude that takes a lot of work and expense to make it marketable and we are pretty flush with the West Texas crude fields producing record amounts.
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Old March 13, 2019, 19:01   #52
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Seemed to work for the New Englanders back when there was that heating oil shortage. But as oil is oil - plastics, diesel, lubricants, ocean going ships, war machines etc.... plenty of uses! One might ask why Russia wants it?
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'Oil Isn't oil' is the problem. Venezuelan oil isn't very good. They're having their problems when the world is going green. Natural gas is clean burning. Nobody thinks about it being a dirty process to get it. It doesn't matter, natural gas looks great to the public.

Venezuela slid down the Socialist toilet at the wrong time in history. Russia can huff and puff but they can't do much to prop them up. China might be an issue but they're getting oil from Iran, South Sudan, Russia and a few other places.

The people of Venezuela caused their own problems. They voted it all in the same as we're doing.
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'Oil Isn't oil' is the problem. Venezuelan oil isn't very good. They're having their problems when the world is going green. Natural gas is clean burning. Nobody thinks about it being a dirty process to get it. It doesn't matter, natural gas looks great to the public.

Venezuela slid down the Socialist toilet at the wrong time in history. Russia can huff and puff but they can't do much to prop them up. China might be an issue but they're getting oil from Iran, South Sudan, Russia and a few other places.

The people of Venezuela caused their own problems. They voted it all in the same as we're doing.
Excuse me if I don't agree on the voting thing because we really have no control on our vote. It's even worse in the turd world.
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Old March 14, 2019, 08:40   #55
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Shussh,,,, you will wake Grandpa Martin, he thinks we haven't messed with Venezuela in 20 years.

However, this might wake up someone up, 2 storage tanks explode in Petro San Felix....... probably just an odd coincidence.
UPDATE 2-Storage tanks explode at Venezuela heavy oil project -sources
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Many of them just climbed down out of the trees and learned to drive buses and run countries,,, this event period is only a matter of mean time between failures interval.
Benevolent dictators are their only salvation,,, or provoking war with the USA and we will nation build so they can provoke war with the USA as a perminate solution,,, the makings of Democracy don't exist in hispanola and never have in my opinion,,, it's something the Irish dreamed up, but couldn't pull off and is a point of present day contention here.
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Many of them just climbed down out of the trees and learned to drive buses and run countries,,,.



Well Grandpa Martin since we are a nation that doesn't know when to stop shoving food down our gullet, know basic geography, know the about basics like which planets revolve around which, are mathematically illiterate and too dumb not to instigate a
another war when we have had a 75 year track record of winning nothing except the big debt prize, maybe just maybe shouldn't cast stones.



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Well Grandpa Martin since we are a nation that doesn't know when to stop shoving food down our gullet, know basic geography, know the about basics like which planets revolve around which, are mathematically illiterate and too dumb not to instigate a
another war when we have had a 75 year track record of winning nothing except the big debt prize, maybe just maybe shouldn't cast stones.



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Again, that inclusive 'we'. . Sometimes thou doth really protest too much ..
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Again, that inclusive 'we'. . Sometimes thou doth really protest too much ..
"We" have covered this Bubbs, check the fridge note I suggested, make sure you have taken your Altz meds and have the kids ramp up picking out the Memory Care Center facility for you.



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That ‘we’ allows a ‘few’ to send our good soldiers around the world to shove democracy down the throats of those that dont want it - when really its for theft. Sounds like a racket to me!
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That ‘we’ allows a ‘few’ to send our good soldiers around the world to shove democracy down the throats of those that dont want it - when really its for theft. Sounds like a racket to me!
You sound like Smedly Butler who fought like hell for Democracy,,,, before he decided to go into politics,,,, then he sounded like you,,, and a little like jaunni.
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You sound like Smedly Butler who fought like hell for Democracy,,,, before he decided to go into politics,,,, then he sounded like you,,, and a little like jaunni.
Was Smedley wrong?
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Not if you brush your teeth with Preparation H every day.
That's a well-thought-out refutation of Smedley's claims.

Too much truth in what he said, so just ignore that part, lol. Calling names, making snide comments, personal attacks. Pretty weak.


Kinda like attacking the messenger, instead of the message. Folks in DC did this recently, seems to be a lot of it going around, specially when the message makes them uncomfortable.
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That's a well-thought-out refutation of Smedley's claims.

Too much truth in what he said, so just ignore that part, lol. Calling names, making snide comments, personal attacks. Pretty weak.


Kinda like attacking the messenger, instead of the message. Folks in DC did this recently, seems to be a lot of it going around, specially when the message makes them uncomfortable.
Having suffered from boozers gloom on many a occasion myself I can only say "repentance is a bitch,,, but better than hair of dog for what ails ya",,, Gen. Custer probably wanted to resign his commission in his last moments and be some place else.
Most Generals are that way,,,, in my opinion.

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You sound like Smedly Butler who fought like hell for Democracy,,,, before he decided to go into politics,,,, then he sounded like you,,, and a little like jaunni.
Why thank you M35, I didn't think you had a complement in you!
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Well Grandpa Martin since we are a nation that doesn't know when to stop shoving food down our gullet, ...

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"We" have covered this Bubbs, check the fridge note I suggested, make sure you have taken your Altz meds and have the kids ramp up picking out the Memory Care Center facility for you.



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The same tactics as a Denton lawyer.......


........how nice.



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Ahhhh........


The same tactics as a Denton lawyer.......


........how nice.



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We (Bubbs and I) have been over the meaning of the word 'we' several times.

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(used to denote people in general): the marvels of science that we take for granted.


But every time I use the word 'we' correctly as in 'we' the people of the US, somehow Bubbs thinks it is incorrect.

But since you want to get involved, please save this post and you can refresh his failing memory.

Then 'we' (as in you and I) won't have to revisit this.




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Not an American from what I can see

Can't be a Venezuelan, they are all staving to death.
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We (Bubbs and I) have been over the meaning of the word 'we' several times.

we
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(used to denote people in general): the marvels of science that we take for granted.


But every time I use the word 'we' correctly as in 'we' the people of the US, somehow Bubbs thinks it is incorrect.

But since you want to get involved, please save this post and you can refresh his failing memory.

Then 'we' (as in you and I) won't have to revisit this.
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What you don't get is you are not part of the "we" the rest of us are. You don't speak for the "we" so you can't use it correctly. You dragging the rest of us into your beliefs is projecting that we believe the same, thus it's only the turd in your pocket that thinks the same as you do.
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Don't forget the Monroe Doctrine.
Wasn't the Monroe Doctrine kind of an anti-intervention statement? That's the way I read it anyways. It warned Europe to not intervene in South America in return for the US not intervening in Europe.

Did not the American colonies get tired of the Crown's interventions in its affairs? I think so.

I think isolationism used to be a popular sentiment in the US and is related to anti-interventionism.

Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson said the "peace and commerce with all nations, entangling alliance with none" thing, so that was a theme at that time. Whether that was applied or not I think that this is very wise and looks to respect the sovereignty of all nations. Leading by example this way might not work as the world is full of really sh*tty people but it is the "high road" IMHO.
I don't see much chance of that kinda thing happening nowadays with the US fully usurped by virtue signalling progressives imposing more and more big government tyranny at home here and all over the world.
American citizens used to be free from just about any "intervention" by the FEDGOV until about 1900 or so. That's when virtue signalling progressives took over and decided they needed to control the way citizens spent their money. See here:

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By way of contrast, the advent of the income tax prompted some congressmen to note that this tax was designed not principally for revenue — the U.S. government had always had plenty of money from tariffs — but to manipulate the American people and their choices in the market. “The character of the argument which had been made,” Massachusetts Rep. Samuel McCall argued in a speech before the U.S. House of Representatives as Congress debated the 16th Amendment, legalizing the income tax in 1909, “leads me to believe that the chief purpose of the tax is not financial, but social. It is not primarily to raise money for the state, but to regulate the citizen and to regenerate the moral nature of man. The individual citizen will be called on to lay bare the inner-most recesses of his soul in affidavits, and with the aid of the Federal inspector, who will supervise his books and papers and business secrets, he may be made to be good, according the notions of virtue at the moment prevailing in Washington.” McCall’s Massachusetts constituents rewarded the Republican congressman’s efforts by electing him governor several years later.
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The same kind of progressive filth that implemented income tax to control citizens money have run rampant since then and grown the FEDGOV into a monster is it is not supposed to be. Since there is no respect for individual sovereignty anymore, how can there be any respect for other nations sovereignty?

Speaking of progressive filth, Chavez and Maduro are fine examples of it. The progressive stupid is really bad down there. And with progressive filth here like AOC we are heading in the same direction.
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Wasn't the Monroe Doctrine kind of an anti-intervention statement? That's the way I read it anyways. It warned Europe to not intervene in South America in return for the US not intervening in Europe.

Did not the American colonies get tired of the Crown's interventions in its affairs? I think so.

I think isolationism used to be a popular sentiment in the US and is related to anti-interventionism.

Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson said the "peace and commerce with all nations, entangling alliance with none" thing, so that was a theme at that time. Whether that was applied or not I think that this is very wise and looks to respect the sovereignty of all nations. Leading by example this way might not work as the world is full of really sh*tty people but it is the "high road" IMHO.
I don't see much chance of that kinda thing happening nowadays with the US fully usurped by virtue signalling progressives imposing more and more big government tyranny at home here and all over the world.
American citizens used to be free from just about any "intervention" by the FEDGOV until about 1900 or so. That's when virtue signalling progressives took over and decided they needed to control the way citizens spent their money. See here:



https://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...the-income-tax

The same kind of progressive filth that implemented income tax to control citizens money have run rampant since then and grown the FEDGOV into a monster is it is not supposed to be. Since there is no respect for individual sovereignty anymore, how can there be any respect for other nations sovereignty?

Speaking of progressive filth, Chavez and Maduro are fine examples of it. The progressive stupid is really bad down there. And with progressive filth here like AOC we are heading in the same direction.
Pretty much my understanding, yep. As to alliances, both Jefferson, Washington and indeed anyone in their right mind understands the need. The operative word is 'entangling'. As in become tangled. There are certainly times to act, as all rational administrations have. I agree, respect for sovereignity of other nations is a good thing, a desirable thing and beneficial to us too in general. Except when it ain't, and therein lies the rub.

I find it amusing that we so often hear of how the founders were allegedly so averse to foreign intervention. Imagine the hoo-hah today if we were to propose extending the US across an entire continent, say Central America and into the southern hemisphere. The early administrations effectively did just this, the only real difference is they didn't propose shit they just went ahead and did it. Starting with the Ohio valley and the run-up to the war of 1812.

So much for the myth of no foreign entanglements. But myths do die hard, looks like this one will be with us awhile too.
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What you don't get is you are not part of the "we" the rest of us are. You don't speak for the "we" so you can't use it correctly. You dragging the rest of us into your beliefs is projecting that we believe the same, thus it's only the turd in your pocket that thinks the same as you do.
Faltard, I don't use the word we to projecting my beliefs.

I use the word to convey facts about the american people, our history and or foreign policy etc.

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Well Grandpa Martin since we are a nation that doesn't know when to stop shoving food down our gullet, know basic geography, know the about basics like which planets revolve around which, are mathematically illiterate and too dumb not to instigate a
another war when we have had a 75 year track record of winning nothing except the big debt prize, maybe just maybe shouldn't cast stones.



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Now do want to contest as a fact that we americans are grossly overfed?
Or that many surveys have proved that americans rank low for a 1st world country it the above mentions subjects?
Or do you want to contend that 'we' won BIGly in our ME wars?
Or perhaps you want to show that 'we' aren't grossly in debt?

Well tard away.......



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Faltard, I don't use the word we to projecting my beliefs.

I use the word to convey facts about the american people, our history and or foreign policy etc.

From the about contested 'we' post.
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Dude you simply can't know the real facts because you were not there. You post opinions from what you read or have been told and your opinion is what you believe at the moment from today's news feed. You are a parrot with out experience and no original thought in your head and that's why "we" doesn't work in any of your post.

Opinions are fine but don't drag any of us into your bs, you don't speak for any of us.
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Since there is no respect for individual sovereignty anymore, how can there be any respect for other nations sovereignty?
Your entire post was spot on Dave.

But it isn't just our govt that doesn't respect other nations sovereignty it is our citizens and many if not most posters down here in N&CE.

Just look how many in the recent Venezuela threads state we should stay out of it (hardly any), or even completely ignore our history of meddling.
Grandpa Martin has adopted the we Dinnu Nuffin claims of a ghetto rat.

But it just isn't the Files.

Ron Paul was booed bringing up the Golden Rule in a stadium full of Christians.






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Dude you simply can't know the real facts because you were not there.
Idiot, you don't have to 'be there' to accept known facts.

Were you there when Columbus 'discovered' the New World?
Were you there when Newton got beaned by an apple?
Were you there when Jefferson wrote the D of I?
Were you there when Cornwallis was defeated?
Were you there when Europe killed millions of Jews?
Were you there when man landed on the moon?
Were you there when our govt calculated the nation's debt?

No tard, you weren't, so somehow in your pea brain none of that could be true.
You have to be the most consistently idiotic poster here on the files.




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The strangulation of Venezuela is a great thing!!

Like the Iranian, Cuban, and NKorean Economic Sanctions by the USA, it costs Russia a ton to try and cover the deficits, in those countries!!!

The Iranian people, and the Venezuelan people, are a hotbed of resistance.
Our foreign policy is designed to hurt the despots.

Venezuela, Cuba, China, Russia and NKorea all need to hold onto Venezuela, but it is lost to them; time is on our side.

Maduro may even be a muslim. Cuban Troops are the only factor in the soup, and I do not see them flying in or sailing in to Venezuela.

Obama lost his chance to use Cuban and Venezuelan troops to invade Florida when he failed to arm BLM........."with a civilian military force, equal in strength training and weapons equal to the US Military."

The Cubans and the Venezuelans demanded support from Obama & BLM.
Now Venezuela will pay the price.

Cuba is so backward economically, as PBS shows, that the entire country, aside from Gitmo, needs to be bulldozed and trillions of dollars of private capital investments, needs to flow back into the land to creatE a Las Vegas style vacation spa.

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Idiot, you don't have to 'be there' to accept known facts.

Were you there when Columbus 'discovered' the New World?
Were you there when Newton got beaned by an apple?
Were you there when Jefferson wrote the D of I?
Were you there when Cornwallis was defeated?
Were you there when Europe killed millions of Jews?
Were you there when man landed on the moon?
Were you there when our govt calculated the nation's debt?

No tard, you weren't, so somehow in your pea brain none of that could be true.
You have to be the most consistently idiotic poster here on the files.
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It's ok dude, when you get educated by the guys around here that actually have decent opinions then you can move up from being a dido to a full Faltard. You don't have many years left to get it right so you better work harder.
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you read that in a book, who wrote the book? The writers of history build it to manipulate thinking, you are just a tool j. There are a couple of kinds of opinions, those like yours with no experience in the world and told what to think. The other type is those who think for themselves because they have lived life experiences and know some truth.
It is a hoot watching an ignorant idiot revel in his stupidity.

Your life experiences mostly consist of sitting on your ass driving a truck, sitting on your ass digging in the dirt, sitting on a couch, sitting on your ass watching the idiot box and sitting on your ass shoveling food down your pie hole.
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It is a hoot watching an ignorant idiot revel in his stupidity.

Your life experiences mostly consist of sitting on your ass driving a truck, sitting on your ass digging in the dirt, sitting on a couch, sitting on your ass watching the idiot box and sitting on your ass shoveling food down your pie hole.
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It bothers me greatly, when we often agree on anything,,,, for some reason.
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It is a hoot watching an ignorant idiot revel in his stupidity.

Your life experiences mostly consist of sitting on your ass driving a truck, sitting on your ass digging in the dirt, sitting on a couch, sitting on your ass watching the idiot box and sitting on your ass shoveling food sdown your pie hole.
^Not the stuff of a deep thinker.
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Its why it's called opinion, yours is no more valuable than anyone else's but you want to lump others into what you believe. I know what my opinion is worth, it's only worth something to me and I am not looking for confirmation in what I believe. Matter of fact there are not a lot of opinions I value here but I do like to read them so I can measure the mood.

This couch time is great since retirement, don't even care what time it is anymore. Life is just grand because I sat in the truck and dug those ditches to give myself prosperity enough to enjoy retirement. My life experiences have given me reward.
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Pretty much my understanding, yep. As to alliances, both Jefferson, Washington and indeed anyone in their right mind understands the need. The operative word is 'entangling'. As in become tangled. There are certainly times to act, as all rational administrations have. I agree, respect for sovereignity of other nations is a good thing, a desirable thing and beneficial to us too in general. Except when it ain't, and therein lies the rub.

I find it amusing that we so often hear of how the founders were allegedly so averse to foreign intervention. Imagine the hoo-hah today if we were to propose extending the US across an entire continent, say Central America and into the southern hemisphere. The early administrations effectively did just this, the only real difference is they didn't propose shit they just went ahead and did it. Starting with the Ohio valley and the run-up to the war of 1812.

So much for the myth of no foreign entanglements. But myths do die hard, looks like this one will be with us awhile too.
What did George Washington and Thomas Jefferson do exactly that has you so amused? I seem to be missing somehow the raging interventionism those guys practiced. The Ohio river valley was ceded to the colonies by the treaty of Paris 1783. Washington ended up with about half a zillion acres there I think.
You know bubba invading sovereign countries in central America now can hardly be compared to American western expansion across loosely organised territories back then. All that stuff was bought. Louisiana was purchased. And while there was some fighting about the rest, in the end it was purchased also. Even Alaska was bought.
Expansion before the revolutionary war was a product of Spain and France.
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You know bubba invading sovereign countries in central America now can hardly be compared to American western expansion across loosely organised territories back then. All that stuff was bought. Louisiana was purchased. And while there was some fighting about the rest, in the end it was purchased also. Even Alaska was bought.
Expansion before the revolutionary war was a product of Spain and France.
It is Bubbs, he likes to take a grain of sand and somehow try and tell you it is a mountain.

Usually to justify the status quo of big military, big interventions and big debt.




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It bothers me greatly, when we often agree on anything,,,, for some reason.


Usually with really dumb people somewhere along in life they figure out they are stupid and learn to shut up, but every now and then one comes along that is so stupid they think they are smart.

I once worked in an office that had a fellow employee and such was the case.
Danny was always spouting something incredibly stupid,,,,, eventually followed by "I am the smartest guy I know".

One guy kept a list of Dannyisms on the wall of his cubicle and would ad to it when a particularly good one was spouted.

I think management kept him around just to laugh at and relieve stress.



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Usually with really dumb people somewhere along in life they figure out they are stupid and learn to shut up, but every now and then one comes along that is so stupid they think they are smart.

I once worked in an office that had a fellow employee and such was the case.
Danny was always spouting something incredibly stupid,,,,, eventually followed by "I am the smartest guy I know".

One guy kept a list of Dannyisms on the wall of his cubicle and would ad to it when a particularly good one was spouted.

I think management kept him around just to laugh at and relieve stress.
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It makes good sense you and hand agree, real good sense because you are so close the the same vision of America. Hand says it's all good to murder every man,woman and child in America if Isreal loses its homeland and you have always hated America because you are a failure. One has been on the public payroll all his life and the other has been paying for him. Teamwork.

Ever think that America might be trying to control the oil in Venezuela to keep China from getting it? The dirty bulk oil isn't good to refine but it would burn well in ships. China's navy is growing fast and they are looking to supply oil for it. Maybe America is standing up in ways you have no idea of in order to protect your way of life. The one you bitch about.

Say now, Hand and I both thank you for paying into our retirements, keep working as long as you can.
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Ever think that America might be trying to control the oil in Venezuela to keep China from getting it? The dirty bulk oil isn't good to refine but it would burn well in ships. China's navy is growing fast and they are looking to supply oil for it. Maybe America is standing up in ways you have no idea of in order to protect your way of life.
Well that is mighty white of you to tell (or force) brown people in sovereign nations who or who they shouldn't sell their oil too.

All that of course violates Int Law, that we signed off on and everything the founders warned about.

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Well that is mighty white of you to tell (or force) brown people in sovereign nations who or who they shouldn't sell their oil too.

All that of course violates Int Law, that we signed off on and everything the founders warned about.

But here again, you are smarter.
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Yawn, it's how you deal with corrupt countries that supply your enemies. Don't worry, like always you risk nothing by the behavior.
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Yawn, it's how you deal with corrupt countries that supply your enemies. Don't worry, like always you risk nothing by the behavior.
Damn, are we in another war and someone forgot to tell me????

I've risked my life half a dozen times, in the service of this nation, all while you were safety laying down asphalt or driving a truck.

Glass houses and all that rot.
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A real conundrum...

Just got home and turned on the last few minutes of Lou Dobbs.
He was talking to two guests and the jist of the conversation was that the U.S. is totally and completely unequipped and unprepared for a war with either Russia or China.

WTF???
$750,000,000,000 isn't enough?
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Just got home and turned on the last few minutes of Lou Dobbs.
He was talking to two guests and the jist of the conversation was that the U.S. is totally and completely unequipped and unprepared for a war with either Russia or China.

WTF???
$750,000,000,000 isn't enough?
How much will it take?(rhetorical)



I listen to these people and it just makes a billy goat want to puke!

When either China or Russia gets TWO carrier groups each, equal to just one of our carrier groups, which we have ???? 8 or more, or equal long range bombers, ones that don;t have propellers hanging on the front of the engines, designed in the mid fifties,,,, then we might wish to up our defense spending.

Military power is judged by how quickly and how much can be projected anywhere in the world.

Russia can send along some old bombers, if they can get them working, every now and then along our coast lines.

Does China even own a worldwide capable bomber????
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...-a-new-bomber/

China ain't an issue.
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When either China or Russia gets TWO carrier groups each, equal to just one of our carrier groups, which we have ???? 8 or more, or equal long range bombers, ones that don;t have propellers hanging on the front of the engines, designed in the mid fifties,,,, then we might wish to up our defense spending.

Military power is judged by how quickly and how much can be projected anywhere in the world.
If most of the hype about hyper missiles is true, all the above are just expensive targets.



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All this talk of carriers and bombers - don't forget the submarines.
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True enough.

I suspect, that like everything else these folks have done since the end of WWII, its far more hype than reality, which, channeling my inner juanni, is eaten up with glee from those in the US military industrial complex.

Oh look, they say they have this, we need another 250 billion, right now, or we're all going to die.

If the russians or chinese could take us down, had some game changer, they would have used it or sold it to someone for their use to knock us on our asses already.

China and Russia need us to remain upright, without the evil USA, keeping their industries up and running, a boogy man to arouse hated with, and keeping their civilian populations in work, they would eat there leaders alive from being forced all these decades to remain in poverty.

This cold war is making billions for everyone, both sides, every single yr.

No one, no side wants an end to war.
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I didn't read this whole thread. I just wish you guyz could have seen this Asian lady at the grocery store. She was standing there wearing sweat pants, one hand on hip, running the self checkout. She actually had a little JunK in the TrunK and a nic3 a$$ (Teh HoTT). I love seeing ChiXX the wild when they aren't necessarily trying to be hot, and they just are.

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Wasn't the Monroe Doctrine kind of an anti-intervention statement? That's the way I read it anyways. It warned Europe to not intervene in South America in return for the US not intervening in Europe.

Did not the American colonies get tired of the Crown's interventions in its affairs? I think so.

I think isolationism used to be a popular sentiment in the US and is related to anti-interventionism.

Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson said the "peace and commerce with all nations, entangling alliance with none" thing, so that was a theme at that time. Whether that was applied or not I think that this is very wise and looks to respect the sovereignty of all nations. Leading by example this way might not work as the world is full of really sh*tty people but it is the "high road" IMHO.
I don't see much chance of that kinda thing happening nowadays with the US fully usurped by virtue signalling progressives imposing more and more big government tyranny at home here and all over the world.
American citizens used to be free from just about any "intervention" by the FEDGOV until about 1900 or so. That's when virtue signalling progressives took over and decided they needed to control the way citizens spent their money. See here:



https://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...the-income-tax

The same kind of progressive filth that implemented income tax to control citizens money have run rampant since then and grown the FEDGOV into a monster is it is not supposed to be. Since there is no respect for individual sovereignty anymore, how can there be any respect for other nations sovereignty?

Speaking of progressive filth, Chavez and Maduro are fine examples of it. The progressive stupid is really bad down there. And with progressive filth here like AOC we are heading in the same direction.
We have a elected branch of government that wants to destroy the USA as we have know it and some have fought and died for,,,, they want and work for the latter result for honky gringos.
They would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven,,,, where I live.
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You know bubba invading sovereign countries in central America now can hardly be compared to American western expansion across loosely organised territories back then. All that stuff was bought. Louisiana was purchased. And while there was some fighting about the rest, in the end it was purchased also. Even Alaska was bought.
Expansion before the revolutionary war was a product of Spain and France.
Really? Ever consider that the Sioux nation was a NATION? As were the Iroquois and others? Sure, the Ohio valley was ceded. I'll cede you the Brooklyn Bridge right now too. Doesn't mean either you or I own it. As to a lawful purchase well the lawful part is of course where it always is, in the eyes of the beholder. And I guess the Indian wars weren't really wars at all, nothing to do with conquering and holding real estate, right?

Yep. That's it. Foreign entanglements. Stay clear of 'em. Except when they're in between me and what I want.
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Constant war is the normal course of mankind.

Once folks accept that, life becomes less stressful.

When Maduro begins killing his citizens whole scale, in full public view, he's a few days or a week away from meeting America's premiere diplomat, a US Marine with his rifle.

The US Marine Corps, solving sticky diplomatic problems south of the border for 100's of years.
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Constant war is the normal course of mankind.

Once folks accept that, life becomes less stressful.

When Maduro begins killing his citizens whole scale, in full public view, he's a few days or a week away from meeting America's premiere diplomat, a US Marine with his rifle.

The US Marine Corps, solving sticky diplomatic problems south of the border for 100's of years.
To be honest that's how shit ALWAYS gets solved. Without exception. Diplomacy prevents wars the way you and I prevent forest fires. Which is to say we don't prevent anything at all. Best that can be said is they get delayed a little while. Although when they do happen they burn hotter and further than if they were simply left to their own devices.
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