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Old March 11, 2019, 12:39   #1
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Why we really want to topple Maduro

Nope, not about humanitarian concerns or any of that other chum for the dumb.

Michael Hudson: There is no way that’s Chavez and Maduro could have pursued a pro-Venezuelan policy aimed at achieving economic independence without inciting fury, subversion and sanctions from the United States. American foreign policy remains as focused on oil as it was when it invaded Iraq under Dick Cheney’s regime. U.S. policy is to treat Venezuela as an extension of the U.S. economy, running a trade surplus in oil to spend in the United States or transfer its savings to U.S. banks.

By imposing sanctions that prevent Venezuela from gaining access to its U.S. bank deposits and the assets of its state-owned Citco, the United States is making it impossible for Venezuela to pay its foreign debt. This is forcing it into default, which U.S. diplomats hope to use as an excuse to foreclose on Venezuela’s oil resources and seize its foreign assets much as Paul Singer hedge fund sought to do with Argentina’s foreign assets.

Just as U.S. policy under Kissinger was to make Chile’s “economy scream,” so the U.S. is following the same path against Venezuela. It is using that country as a “demonstration effect” to warn other countries not to act in their self-interest in any way that prevents their economic surplus from being siphoned off by U.S. investors.

http://thesaker.is/saker-interview-w...bruary-7-2019/

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Craig Paul Roberts, Hudson, Martin Armstrong, Glenn Greenwald, Fred Reed or Bolton, the Neocons, the MSM and the gullible Faltards???

Authored by Glenn Greenwald of The Intercept
NYT’s Exposé on the Lies About Burning Humanitarian Trucks in Venezuela Shows How US Govt and Media Spread Fake News

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-how-fake-news




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Old March 11, 2019, 13:41   #2
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Some country is exerting economic/social/military/political/blah blah pressure on another country.

Anybody ever watch Game of Thrones? Why is this stuff new to juanni?
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Old March 11, 2019, 13:52   #3
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And all this time, I thought we just hated socialism and communism.

So, the truth is, the worlds largest oil producer nation and largest oil exporter nation, is seeking to some how steal high carbon low quality oil from Venezuela??????

Interesting.
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Some country is exerting economic/social/military/political/blah blah pressure on another country.

Anybody ever watch Game of Thrones? Why is this stuff new to juanni?
I don't believe it's new, maybe he's just pointing it out for the dullards that still believe we're all about freedom, human rights and all that stuff.

When the meddling turns to shooting, it'd be nice to know if my boy is sticking his neck out to protect America, or to fatten some scumbag's wallet.
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And all this time, I thought we just hated socialism and communism.
Well you might think so if you read that other Venezuela post.

That is why I started a new one.

Plus in that thread the usual Faltards want to take the 'discussion' to how I am supposed to be living in a sun heated cave, the meaning of the word 'we' and call you jewboy.

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Chile nationalized foreign companies assets. I remember when Salvador Allende nationalized Anaconda's copper assets in Chile and froze company funds in Chile That was a big reason for US involvement. Now come Venezuela and they did the same thing with numerous US based companies from Baker Hughes and Conoco-Phillips to Exxon and dozens of others. Venezuela confiscated equipment, offices, ships, drilling rigs, etc. etc. etc. Makes sense that the US help recover stolen assets.
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Chile nationalized foreign companies assets. I remember when Salvador Allende nationalized Anaconda's copper assets in Chile and froze company funds in Chile That was a big reason for US involvement. Now come Venezuela and they did the same thing with numerous US based companies from Baker Hughes and Conoco-Phillips to Exxon and dozens of others. Venezuela confiscated equipment, offices, ships, drilling rigs, etc. etc. etc. Makes sense that the US help recover stolen assets.
Well they're not exactly US assets but the larger point is valid. Countries have been snatching things on behalf of private firms since there were, well, countries. For some reason it seems as it it's not really considered piracy if it's done under a national flag, although inquiring minds are wondering why.
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Juanni would like to see Russia and China get control of Venezuela oil. Get a DNA test juanni---you may be the long lost bastard child of Nancy Pelosi
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Chile nationalized foreign companies assets. I remember when Salvador Allende nationalized Anaconda's copper assets in Chile and froze company funds in Chile That was a big reason for US involvement. Now come Venezuela and they did the same thing with numerous US based companies from Baker Hughes and Conoco-Phillips to Exxon and dozens of others. Venezuela confiscated equipment, offices, ships, drilling rigs, etc. etc. etc. Makes sense that the US help recover stolen assets.
'Assets' gained through thief, bribery, corruption and thuggery seem hard to hold on to.

The US and US companies have been doing that down south forever, hence Smedley's War is a Racket.




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Juanni would like to see Russia and China get control of Venezuela oil. Get a DNA test juanni---you may be the long lost bastard child of Nancy Pelosi
Technically, China already controls Venez oil. The trade agreement paid China in oil. The the price of oil plummeted, and China quit sending stuff; Venez now owes China a load of money.

Now, juanni may be on to something. After all, if you want to know why something happens, follow the money.

However, Venez was once a shining star. When Chavez took over, he spread the wealth to his family and friends. Investments into infrastructure- including oil production- virtually ceased.

Seizing US-owned property didn't work well for Chavez. In a South African-style mindset he thought he'd get the skills and management, but what he got was factories. And with no upkeep the factories died.

If one wants to blame USA for anything, it would be driving down the price of oil to crush Venez and Russia. That's economics and politics. Chavez/ Maduro could have survived that, but greed and corruption is what did them in, they did it to themselves.
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Juanni would like to see Russia and China get control of Venezuela oil.
Well we have certainly pushed Maduro into Russia and Chinese arms.

And goof, since when has Pelousi ever been against war and meddling in the affairs of others?

But actually what I would like to see is the US return to what the founders envisioned.
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."



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Nope, not about humanitarian concerns or any of that other chum for the dumb.

Michael Hudson: There is no way that’s Chavez and Maduro could have pursued a pro-Venezuelan policy aimed at achieving economic independence without inciting fury, subversion and sanctions from the United States. American foreign policy remains as focused on oil as it was when it invaded Iraq under Dick Cheney’s regime. U.S. policy is to treat Venezuela as an extension of the U.S. economy, running a trade surplus in oil to spend in the United States or transfer its savings to U.S. banks.

By imposing sanctions that prevent Venezuela from gaining access to its U.S. bank deposits and the assets of its state-owned Citco, the United States is making it impossible for Venezuela to pay its foreign debt. This is forcing it into default, which U.S. diplomats hope to use as an excuse to foreclose on Venezuela’s oil resources and seize its foreign assets much as Paul Singer hedge fund sought to do with Argentina’s foreign assets.

Just as U.S. policy under Kissinger was to make Chile’s “economy scream,” so the U.S. is following the same path against Venezuela. It is using that country as a “demonstration effect” to warn other countries not to act in their self-interest in any way that prevents their economic surplus from being siphoned off by U.S. investors.

http://thesaker.is/saker-interview-w...bruary-7-2019/

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NYT’s Exposé on the Lies About Burning Humanitarian Trucks in Venezuela Shows How US Govt and Media Spread Fake News

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-how-fake-news




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Technically, China already controls Venez oil. The trade agreement paid China in oil. The the price of oil plummeted, and China quit sending stuff; Venez now owes China a load of money.

Now, juanni may be on to something. After all, if you want to know why something happens, follow the money.

However, Venez was once a shining star. When Chavez took over, he spread the wealth to his family and friends. Investments into infrastructure- including oil production- virtually ceased.

Seizing US-owned property didn't work well for Chavez. In a South African-style mindset he thought he'd get the skills and management, but what he got was factories. And with no upkeep the factories died.

If one wants to blame USA for anything, it would be driving down the price of oil to crush Venez and Russia. That's economics and politics. Chavez/ Maduro could have survived that, but greed and corruption is what did them in, they did it to themselves.
It's a two-pronged effort; one prong sticks it to the Venezuelans who spent years under Chavez beating their chest at those bastard Americans. The other prong sticks it to China and Russia by denying them oil in exchange for goods. What Venezuela needs right now is hard currency, which they cannot readily get in exchange for oil because the only means to refine said oil lies along the Texas Coast and we aren't currently accepting their oil to refine. And, the only way to get access to those refineries to agree to do business on our terms.

Also, with our current situation with Russia as well as our trade negotiations with China, I cannot imagine the US government allowing anyone like Venezuela to do anything that might benefit either of them. Furthermore, I cannot see the current POTUS easing up sanctions on a hardline socialist government.
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When the meddling turns to shooting, it'd be nice to know if my boy is sticking his neck out to protect America, or to fatten some scumbag's wallet.
An interesting question. When was the last American war to protect America? Was there ever one?
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Well we have certainly pushed Maduro into Russia and Chinese arms.

And goof, since when has Pelousi ever been against war and meddling in the affairs of others?

But actually what I would like to see is the US return to what the founders envisioned.
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."



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That situation never was. Hell, would not even BE a US of A if it weren't an 'entangling alliance' with France, not to mention a deal to BUY the bulk of the US from France so they could make war on England. If you'd have paid attention you'd know that. As to peace and commerce with other nations we had NEITHER until we managed a blue water navy, and even then only on occasion.
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An interesting question. When was the last American war to protect America? Was there ever one?
Barbary wars, 1812, possibly the Indian wars depending on which one and your take on the particular issues involved. Probably the French & Indian war qualifies since you mentioned America instead of the US.
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'Assets' gained through thief, bribery, corruption and thuggery seem hard to hold on to.

The US and US companies have been doing that down south forever, hence Smedley's War is a Racket.




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Depends on your timeline, Spain held onto theirs for quite a while, some 450 years or so. Certainly long enough for half the hemisphere to toss their native languages away and adopt Spanish. We still have what we need, Guam, PR, part of Cuba, St. Croix, St. Thomas etc, Alaska, Hawaii & the Marshalls. Not to mention Minnesota, Missouri, Kansas, Texas, Arizona, Georgia, Colorado, Idaho, Montana etc etc. Didn't need the Philippines once we dicked over Japan, just Subic and don't need that anymore either so we handed it back. Don't need the canal zone, the important stuff doesn't fit through it anymore and containerized freight has made it all but obsolete. Handed that back too. Got more of Europe than we really want.

As an aside you might be interested to know that the star on the Cuban flag represents the new star they hoped to add to the American flag when we picked 'em up. Changed our minds after the SpanAm war wound down. Seems they're still a bit chagrined about that. It was the right decision, that place is more trouble than it's worth except for Gitmo and not entirely sure about that piece. Best part of Cuba wound up in Miami anyway.

No, I'd say it's not that hard. Don't have to be good at it, just better than the other guy which lucky for us ain't that hard. 'Course you wouldn't know would ya.
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Them scumbag Venezuelan commies, nationalized the private property of Shell, Exxon Mobil, BP and others.

Let the Rockefeller trust do some good, and send the hit teams in to finally kill off that Commie SOB Cartel, and free Venezuela, so that we can then invade Cuba.

Juanni is so off base that it begs credulity.
I often watch "Missing" a nice story with Jack Lemon and Sissy Spacek, about how to dispose of commies in Chile using public stadiums. Allende had to go; look at what he attracted and grew.

A new "Missing", will be made about Maduro, and his gang of imported commies and muslim terrorists, soon enough.

Chavez started it by ruining the economy, and Maduro followed up with his greedy personal idiocy...........he has stolen nearly as much as Idi Amin did.

Maduro is one of the most stupid SOB ing, unqualified, asshole former garbage Truck Driver, since Pablo Escobar. Thank God for small favors.
He is life is uninsurable right now, even by those fly by night, term ins companies in Pennsylvania.

Venezuela is a hot bed for Muslim activity and there are as many ISIS terrorists there, that it rivals Somalia.

Where is Maduro going to escape to? To Cuba to live near Jo-anne Chesimard.

The importation of small arms into Venezuela and pot into Rebel hands, is a forgone conclusion. The Rebel bombings and Contra Style actions will be a hoot for the next year.............gotta keep it at a slow boil. I do not know how we can activate aircraft to help the Rebels, unless we send in trained pilots to steal the jets, and turn them onto Maduro and his government hq.

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Well you might think so if you read that other Venezuela post.

That is why I started a new one.

Plus in that thread the usual Faltards want to take the 'discussion' to how I am supposed to be living in a sun heated cave, the meaning of the word 'we' and call you jewboy.

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Yea, you took notice, more of that crap seems to be coming out of late.

But, since its true, whats a fellow to do,,,,,,,except go fully gunned up at all times, that is.
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Everything that is happening to Venezuela right now they did themselves.

No amount of excuses or blubbering or conspiracy theories or what happened to Chile or whatever changes that fact.
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Look, like Vietnam and the Middle East, and Chile, this is another golden opportunity to make $$$$$ and to crush bad guys.

We cannot squander this opportunity by wasting Maduro FAST, like he was Khaddafy.

WE GOTTA GET AOC DOWN THERE TO STAND LIKE A HUMAN SHIELD!!!

Thank god McCain is off the stage!!! We will drag this one out, good and long!!

The Oil Trust is ready to get reparations for the illegal occupation, and the people will eat once more and be able to buy Ford and GM vehicles.......... and kick the Muslims and Chinamen outta the damn country!!

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Barbary wars, 1812, possibly the Indian wars depending on which one and your take on the particular issues involved. Probably the French & Indian war qualifies since you mentioned America instead of the US.
1812 had some valid complaints but insufficient to start a war. It was a land grab, pure and simple.
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1812 had some valid complaints but insufficient to start a war. It was a land grab, pure and simple.
Yeah, it is actually kinda interesting if obscure. Which is what makes it interesting to me. Although there were a bunch of 'causes', best known is the Brits grabbing Americans off their ships to go fight Napolean. They did this because we owed 'em a shitload of money we agreed to pay as part of ending the Revolutionary war. We owed 'em money in part because they throttled our commerce and we couldn't pay. Then there was the land grab piece.

Lots of stuff in play in that one. No one reason to start a war, but it would seem the cumulative effect of 'em all was.
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Cuba has no oil right?

The Caribbean is full of oil rigs, and Venezuela has the worlds greatest reserves.

Cuba was not worth installing offshore wells in, as the uSSR has plenty of oil.

The chinese are after Venezuelan oil and have been trying to get offshore drilling rights in the Caribbean for years.

Cuba shot itself in the foot as no Major oil Co can, or will trust Cuba; not even ARAMCO.
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But, since its true, whats a fellow to do,,,,,,,except go fully gunned up at all times, that is.
Not sure which is worse you being called a jewboy or demanding that I go live in a cave.
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At least those cave folks ain't having wet dreams about killing ya, so I'd go with the cave????

On second thought, you have been known to bring out the "harsh" with some folks.
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Quoted for truth, beer and twinkies at the gas station along with cigs next door.
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That situation never was. Hell, would not even BE a US of A if it weren't an 'entangling alliance' with France, not to mention a deal to BUY the bulk of the US from France so they could make war on England.
We have been over this several times, print it out and tape it to your fridge door so we don't have to go over it again before they haul you off to the memory care center.

The Treaty of Alliance, a military alliance would be formed between France and the United States which would combine each respective military force, and efforts for the direct purpose of maintaining the "liberty, Sovereignty, and (independence) absolute and unlimited of the said United States, as well in Matters of (Government) as of commerce."

Basically France agreed to support the US and we (I know this word befuddles you) but we the govt of the US agreed not to cut a deal with Britain w/o France, nor make claims of French spoils of victory or France on ours.

That was it, no commitment to provide aid to France, troops etc.

You want to take that grain of an 'alliance' and justify all our military bases, mutual defense treaties, NATO etc.

Like most of your claims, they are BS.



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Old March 13, 2019, 11:06   #30
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We have been over this several times, print it out and tape it to your fridge door so we don't have to go over it again before they haul you off to the memory care center.

The Treaty of Alliance, a military alliance would be formed between France and the United States which would combine each respective military force, and efforts for the direct purpose of maintaining the "liberty, Sovereignty, and (independence) absolute and unlimited of the said United States, as well in Matters of (Government) as of commerce."

Basically France agreed to support the US and we (I know this word befuddles you) but we the govt of the US agreed not to cut a deal with Britain w/o France, nor make claims of French spoils of victory or France on ours.

That was it, no commitment to provide aid to France, troops etc.

You want to take that grain of an 'alliance' and justify all our military bases, mutual defense treaties, NATO etc.

Like most of your claims, they are BS.



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Horseshit. What do you think the LA Purchase involved? You think France sent the bulk of their Navy and significant ground assets just because they wanted to promote liberty, equality and fraternity on the edge of the known world? You think they did that without considering where that would leave us (enemies of the strongest nation on the planet), and how it might enlist us with 'em against England? We gave Napolean big $$ (by the standards of the day) so he could go fight England. This for something we could have had for nothing, wasn't like France could defend it.
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Don't you know by now that using historical fact and logic when you reply to a post by juanni that you are wasting your time. Like all commie/socialist types around the world he toes the party line and no deviation from it is permitted.

This is why he supports the new Socialist DemonRatic Partei and their fervent desire to destroy the USA.

And so it goes.


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Venezuelans were left to there own economic and political devises for more than 20 years,,, they nationalized all foreign holdings and installed government rule in every sector of society and industry,,, they ate the seed corn now can't make a crop,,,, as a example they are failures.
The best example of Socialism was Israel in it's start up mode with it's kibbutz and communes where everybody worked, trained and provided a useful service to the nation,,,, they made the desert bloom,,,, from rocks and sand something.
Venezuela from something rocks and sand,,, if they are lucky,,,, sell them arms on credit,,, they can pay us back when they make a country on their own.
Repeat as necessary or send Chuck Norris.

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Don't you know by now that using historical fact and logic when you reply to a post by juanni that you are wasting your time. Like all commie/socialist types around the world he toes the party line and no deviation from it is permitted.

This is why he supports the new Socialist DemonRatic Partei and their fervent desire to destroy the USA.

And so it goes.


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Nope, not about humanitarian concerns or any of that other chum for the dumb.

Michael Hudson: There is no way that’s Chavez and Maduro could have pursued a pro-Venezuelan policy aimed at achieving economic independence without inciting fury, subversion and sanctions from the United States. American foreign policy remains as focused on oil as it was when it invaded Iraq under Dick Cheney’s regime. U.S. policy is to treat Venezuela as an extension of the U.S. economy, running a trade surplus in oil to spend in the United States or transfer its savings to U.S. banks.

By imposing sanctions that prevent Venezuela from gaining access to its U.S. bank deposits and the assets of its state-owned Citco, the United States is making it impossible for Venezuela to pay its foreign debt. This is forcing it into default, which U.S. diplomats hope to use as an excuse to foreclose on Venezuela’s oil resources and seize its foreign assets much as Paul Singer hedge fund sought to do with Argentina’s foreign assets.

Just as U.S. policy under Kissinger was to make Chile’s “economy scream,” so the U.S. is following the same path against Venezuela. It is using that country as a “demonstration effect” to warn other countries not to act in their self-interest in any way that prevents their economic surplus from being siphoned off by U.S. investors.

http://thesaker.is/saker-interview-w...bruary-7-2019/

Who you going to believe?
Craig Paul Roberts, Hudson, Martin Armstrong, Glenn Greenwald, Fred Reed or Bolton, the Neocons, the MSM and the gullible Faltards???

Authored by Glenn Greenwald of The Intercept
NYT’s Exposé on the Lies About Burning Humanitarian Trucks in Venezuela Shows How US Govt and Media Spread Fake News

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-how-fake-news




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Damn J, I just read that you were advocating for socialism and democrats wanting to destroy the USA!

Either A. - you are advocating for our demise, calling for communism, etc...

Or B. - someone is lying, resorting to name-calling and misdirection because you've pointed out some uncomfortable things (again)

Could be C. - someone found out their woman was willingly sodomized by a Libertarian and they can only get even by projecting the hate towards you. Not sure which it is at this point....
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Horseshit. What do you think the LA Purchase involved? You think France sent the bulk of their Navy and significant ground assets just because they wanted to promote liberty, equality and fraternity on the edge of the known world? You think they did that without considering where that would leave us (enemies of the strongest nation on the planet), and how it might enlist us with 'em against England? We gave Napolean big $$ (by the standards of the day) so he could go fight England. This for something we could have had for nothing, wasn't like France could defend it.
Both France and the US had a shared interest in driving England out of the US, and France knew eventually they would lose their NA claims so they sold claims while they could.
We (yes I know there is that word again) got a screaming land deal w/o firing a shot.
Win-Win.

And when the goals were accomplished, the peace treaties signed the alliance for practical purposed ended, punctuated when Louie's head rolled off, and just to make sure annulled by congress.

Hardly a messy, long term, foreign entanglement you would like us to believe.
Actually since we were never entangled in a foreign land, it was more a domestic entanglement where the foreign power wasn't allowed bases, or troops without our OK and promptly left.




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Damn J, I just read that you were advocating for socialism and democrats wanting to destroy the USA!

Either A. - you are advocating for our demise, calling for communism, etc...

Or B. - someone is lying, resorting to name-calling and misdirection because you've pointed out some uncomfortable things (again)

Could be C. - someone found out their woman was willingly sodomized by a Libertarian and they can only get even by projecting the hate towards you. Not sure which it is at this point....
It is the falfiles, it is B. It always B. Day after day, post after post it is always B.

I really doubt no Libertarian would have any desire to sodomize their women, willing or not.





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It is the falfiles, it is B. It always B. Day after day, post after post it is always B.

I really doubt no Libertarian would have any desire to sodomize their women, willing or not.
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So you have assumed your true victim status. What a cave dweller.
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Venezuelans were left to there own economic and political devises for more than 20 years,,,

As soon as Chavez was elected Bushies and the neocons started scheming his ousting.
And did so briefly in 2002.

But in the addled mind of a old meddling Faltard, that is "left to their own political devises'.




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So you have assumed your true victim status. What a cave dweller.
What victim?
I wear the name calling insults like a badge of honour.

As a bonus view the misdirection and lying about the actual facts as pure comedic entertainment.




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What victim?
I wear the name calling insults like a badge of honour.

As a bonus view the misdirection and lying about the actual facts as pure comedic entertainment.
..juanni
Love you dude, you spout crap you read from your cave in Montana and call it actual facts. like the rest of us you don't know the truth so you form an opinion for conversation on a subject. You couldn't possibly know the truth because the news feeds are made to tell you what to think and have very little truth in them.

You see it as a badge of honor that you told us what your opinion is and felt insulted by the replies. Maybe you should work harder on your opinion.

Say at this time of day are you at work playing on the net?
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C-47's, and other planes, are being loaded up as bombers to hit Caracas, and the VAF.
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... Maybe you should work harder on your opinion.

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So what are ya sayin' Jim, is working harder on the FACTS is the extra credit course??? Hell's bells, maybe it is in this case ...
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So what are ya sayin' Jim, is working harder on the FACTS is the extra credit course??? Hell's bells, maybe it is in this case ...
What is the diagnosis of behavior that calls it an honor to be insulted? Good grief
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Hmmm,

So surprise surprise, the deep state wants to enforce the Monroe doctrine which is getting close to 200 years old. Why is this a surprise?

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Hmmm,

So surprise surprise, the deep state wants to enforce the Monroe doctrine which is getting close to 200 years old. Why is this a surprise?

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Oh, stop that now!!!!

Folks here are on a roll.
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Hmmm,

So surprise surprise, the deep state wants to enforce the Monroe doctrine which is getting close to 200 years old. Why is this a surprise?

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Shussh,,,, you will wake Grandpa Martin, he thinks we haven't messed with Venezuela in 20 years.

However, this might wake up someone up, 2 storage tanks explode in Petro San Felix....... probably just an odd coincidence.
UPDATE 2-Storage tanks explode at Venezuela heavy oil project -sources
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Bitch Sessions: The world according to "j", who is never happy.

No wonder..... he lives up a creek...... around people he despises (who likely despise him)..... without female company.....where nobody listens to him.
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Shussh,,,, you will wake Grandpa Martin, he thinks we haven't messed with Venezuela in 20 years.

However, this might wake up someone up, 2 storage tanks explode in Petro San Felix....... probably just an odd coincidence.
UPDATE 2-Storage tanks explode at Venezuela heavy oil project -sources
https://uk.reuters.com/article/venez...-idUKL1N2101HT



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I'm sure we have some oil field/oil industry folks here on FF, but mixing/diluting heavy tar like crude, means????? added chemicals and adding heat sources?????

These things go boom all on their own from time to time I suspect.

Lack of electricity probably did not help either.
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We will likely go into Bolivia soon for their Lithium, one of the reasons we went into Afghanistan - venezuela is about oil of course !
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Horseshit. What do you think the LA Purchase involved? You think France sent the bulk of their Navy and significant ground assets just because they wanted to promote liberty, equality and fraternity on the edge of the known world? You think they did that without considering where that would leave us (enemies of the strongest nation on the planet), and how it might enlist us with 'em against England? We gave Napolean big $$ (by the standards of the day) so he could go fight England. This for something we could have had for nothing, wasn't like France could defend it.
Don't forget the Monroe Doctrine.
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