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Old March 04, 2019, 02:00   #1
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Trigger work

What is your recommendation to improve the trigger pull on an Israeli FAL?

Is this something best left to the pros?
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Old March 04, 2019, 08:11   #2
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Lower your expectations.

Seriously.

Careful work will get you six pounds. Sliding sears are unsafe much below that, as inertia from dropping can cause them to bounce.

7# is the lowest "authorized" standard (Canada)

Some people have made claims here of great triggers that were safe, but when offered cash reward for proving it, fell suddenly silent.

Lower your trigger spring weight until it won't reset, then go the other way until it will.

Cut corners aon sear to reduce engagement width while maintaining depth. Leave sear and hammer spring original.,

weld selector for overtravel stop.

I can do it for $125. 6# +/- .25# $20 ship lower only,.
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Old March 04, 2019, 08:20   #3
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Old March 04, 2019, 17:45   #4
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Ar10 perhaps?
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If you want a nice trigger, yes - the Geissele (and some others) for the AR-10 are excellent. Also the SCAR. But nobody has come up with a good, safe, aftermarket trigger for the FAL.
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Old March 04, 2019, 23:19   #6
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I just polish my triggers, hammers, pins and housings. I don't take off all kinds of steel, it just makes them smoother. It doesn't take off any noticeable poundage; just makes them feel better. Kinda of like having sex with a heavier woman. She still feels good and you won't notice the difference while in action. Jarhead
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Old March 05, 2019, 16:05   #7
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If you want a nice trigger, yes - the Geissele (and some others) for the AR-10 are excellent. Also the SCAR. But nobody has come up with a good, safe, aftermarket trigger for the FAL.
JARD's had problems unfortunately
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Battle rifle....human size targets with no thoughts of trigger pull.
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Old March 05, 2019, 16:23   #9
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Com'on! Bill Springfield does Exellent work...
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Every attempt I have seen to improve the FAL trigger beyond battle rifle pull weights has resulted in issues - light strikes, hammer follow, doubling. The best triggers I have seen were well used original triggers. Their surfaces were self polished and lapped, giving a nice, smooth trigger.
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Every attempt I have seen to improve the FAL trigger beyond battle rifle pull weights has resulted in ....... hammer follow
I've heard of this "hammer follow through" happening to someone just recently.

I can't remember who or the details, but yes I suspect it could happen
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Old March 06, 2019, 15:34   #12
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Com'on! Bill Springfield does Exellent work...
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Old March 06, 2019, 15:53   #13
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You would be surprised by how much a factory FAL trigger will improve with cleaning, lube/grease, and swapping out tweaked springs (if necessary).
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Old March 06, 2019, 15:58   #14
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If you want a nice trigger, yes - the Geissele (and some others) for the AR-10 are excellent. Also the SCAR. But nobody has come up with a good, safe, aftermarket trigger for the FAL.
One guy has, but it requires a proprietary trigger housing......


....maybe if I win the Powerball jackpot I will start producing them......





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Old March 06, 2019, 16:26   #15
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What does this mean?
He is a dangerously incompetent hack.
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Old March 06, 2019, 16:33   #16
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One guy has, but it requires a proprietary trigger housing..........maybe if I win the Powerball jackpot I will start producing them......
I had a problem with the Timney 10/22 because of the variations in the housing. Shortly after documenting my results for them, they went with their own housing so they could control all the aspects. Given the small dimensions involved and the inherent subtle variations in trigger housings, I can't see how any other system would work.

I suspect a unit that is self-contained and would drop in, would yield promising results. While the unit can be locked in place with set screws or something, the relationship between the hammer/trigger/disconnector would remain fixed.

Harold at FSE developed one (M14 type) but when I was testing it, I discovered if I adjusted it outside of intended parameters, I could get somewhat reliable full auto fire . . . so it was scrapped.


I've gotten by the numbers repeatable 6# (+/- .25)with little problem. Once I got it to just under 5 but it kindof scared me because I did nothing different.

I think DSA's "set" trigger had promise, essentially disconnecting the trigger spring with a squeeze of the grip.

The FAL/HK sliding sear has the inherent problem of being a part that can be bounced by inertia. With the FAL/HK having a trigger block safety and not a hammer block safety, this opens the possibility to bouncing the disconnector if the rifle is dropped. At least, that's how I see it, and I haven't seen a way around it.
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Adjustable trigger systems always have the possibility of easily getting dogdickedup by someone.

Of course, non- adjustable trigger systems can get dogdickedup as well. It just requires more effort.



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Old March 08, 2019, 19:42   #18
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Get Gunplumber's FAL workbook, there are meticulous drawings of the parts with great info on how they work & what to do to improve things if you desire a better trigger pull.
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What does this mean?

back in the day i sent a G3 trigger group from a cetme to be worked on by this guy....got it back and it was a select fire weapon...it selected how many times it would fire every time you pulled the trigger...sometime a single, the next pull would fire 3-4, then 2 then a single, then 5...made for an exciting magazine..ripped it apart, sent back immediately, asking for my original stuff back
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