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Old January 16, 2010, 15:14   #101
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The original database was on a linked site a member had posted back then. That page is no longer working. The thread still has a bunch of the numbers of parts in it, but I imagine most of them are no longer with the same people since it was around 8 years ago. Thanks for the offer though!

Here is the only page I can find about it from the way-way-back machine.

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Old January 16, 2010, 15:42   #102
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I have three complete barreled uppers that I got from DSA back in '94. Barrel and receiver numbers,....

01091
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SARCO still have these kits or are they gone?
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Old January 16, 2010, 16:26   #103
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I have three complete barreled uppers that I got from DSA back in '94. Barrel and receiver numbers,....

01091
01469
01243

SARCO still have these kits or are they gone?
Apparently yes, that's where these guys are getting them all from.............I'm so tempted.
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Old January 16, 2010, 16:38   #104
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I have three complete barreled uppers that I got from DSA back in '94. Barrel and receiver numbers,....

01091
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01243

SARCO still have these kits or are they gone?
Wow! Your 01469 is a match with aezcur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old January 16, 2010, 16:59   #105
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I have three complete barreled uppers that I got from DSA back in '94. Barrel and receiver numbers,....

01091
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01243

SARCO still have these kits or are they gone?
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BINGO!!!!!!

I have your matching lower, bolt and bolt carrier!!! 01469!!
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Old January 16, 2010, 17:32   #106
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Updated chart with KEV information, finally we found a matching set of Upper, barrel, lower, bolt and B/C. Sent PM to KEV, I can either buy his upper/barrel or I can sell the kit I've got yesterday....someone will end up with a complete matching Argie FAL and that is what matters!

For the latest chart go to the end of the thread. Thanks.
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Old January 16, 2010, 18:32   #107
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This is pretty cool! I was wondering if there had been any successes. Thanks to you guys compiling all the numbers, and thanks to Lee Carpentieri for the history of these parts. I had no idea that these were the leftovers from A&D Global. Until I read that, I assumed that you guys were trying to match up parts from a recent lot of mixmaster parts kits.

My 4th barreled upper that was purchased from DSA back in '94 found a home somewhere in Kali. Shipped to a dealer in Culver City, but I can't find any info on the buyer. I know I sold it to someone here on this board,.............but can't remember who. If you find parts for 01815, hang onto them. The barreled receiver is still out there.

Next time I get home, I have some parts to add to the list. One of my guns got matched up with a new set of Argy parts, but I don't know the numbers offhand. Pretty sure it was a matched lower/bolt/carrier tho. Another is built with some nice South African parts, and the third has an L1A1 lower hanging off of it. None of the three have been fired. I also have a couple of Argy receivers that are built up as L1A1's, but I suppose those were just bare receivers. I'll have to pull the guards to see if the barrels are Brit or Argy when I get home.
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Old January 16, 2010, 18:39   #108
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Anyone talked to Sarco lately? Just wondering how many kits they have left?
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Old January 17, 2010, 03:53   #109
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Anyone talked to Sarco lately? Just wondering how many kits they have left?
Hi Gobbler,

From this thread:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...9&pagenumber=2

post from Lee Carpentieri:

**Sarco also has a few Argentine kits left, But not MANY. Lee.**
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Old January 17, 2010, 15:26   #110
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Hi KEV,
For your viewing pleasure (and it is not an Argie girl ...this time... ) is a pic of the lower-bolt-BC 01469 that soon will be reunited with your Argie barrel and Upper 01469. Please print it (in color if possible) and stick it to your FAL until the parts arrive

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Old January 17, 2010, 15:42   #111
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how about a rhodie matching numbers thread?
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Old January 17, 2010, 15:45   #112
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how about a rhodie matching numbers thread?
Hi embatp,
If you want to start one sounds perfect to me. Also, I offer to maintain the spreadsheet. I like EXCEL

Honestly, I think that we should have a database here in the FILES and post all the serial numbers....but that is a much bigger project.....with time...in the future.
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Old January 17, 2010, 16:33   #113
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sounds good...i get back in town tomorrow...will let you know...
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Old January 18, 2010, 04:57   #114
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Argentine Parts and uppers

Well it looks like were off to a good start, One down and only 2999 to go, As to the South African and Rhodesian Kits, Those are a whole different matter that could take ages to hope to try and piece together due to the fact that alot of Rhodie Fals were previously owned by South Africa and have had the SA numbers scratched out entirely or were sold on the BLACK Market in Africa to other warring factions around the African continent. Of course theres also the following,

STG-58's
G-1's
Chilean Fals
Austrialian L1A1's
British L1A1's
Singapore L1A1's
Malaysian L1A1's
South African Fal's
Rhodesian Fal's
New Zealand Fal's
Papua/ New Guinea Fal's

So you never know, Good luck. Lee.
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Old January 18, 2010, 08:58   #115
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I just ordered three sets from SARCO. Had this email exchange with MGDave first thing this morning,...............


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:04 AM
To: Dave Michels
Subject: RE: Argentine FAL kits, 3 for $1575.00 FAL245


Hey Dave,
I'd like to purchase three of your new Argentine FAL kits, 3 for $1575.00 FAL245. If it's possible to check the serial numbers, I'm trying to find the lower/bolt/carrier to #01091, #01243, #01559.

These appear to be the old A&D Global sets that were separated from complete rifles back in the early '90's. A friend just received #01469 on Saturday which is the match to a complete barrelled upper I purchased from DSA almost 20yrs ago. I understand that you're down to a very few kits left and that there were only a couple thousand in the original lot. It's asking alot, but if possible it would be nice to reunite these kits with their original receivers. At any rate, I'd like three sets, and if they can be checked I'm looking for these specific numbers,.....

# 01091
# 01243
# 01559

I also know where the barrelled receivers are for #01272, #01319, and #01645 are, so if those parts turn up I would take them as well.

# 01272
# 01319
# 01645


RE: Argentine FAL kits, 3 for $1575.00 FAL245ž
From: Dave
Sent: Mon 1/18/10 1:19 PM
To: 'kevin'

We have about 900 left The ones we have came from Argentina about 8 years ago. The barrels came from a different lot from another deal in Argentina. I would like to help you but we really have no way to look for serial numbers

David Michels
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908 647 3800 ext 130


Don't pay any attention to the time stamps,............SARCO's is wrong. Dave replied to my email within a couple of minutes. He can't help with the numbers, but at least he's quick with the reply. We'll just have to handle the numbers thing on our end as best we can. I kinda assumed they were down to maybe just a few dozen kits, but with 900 left I'm not surprised they can't check numbers, even if they were printed on the boxes.

I agree with Lee. Trying to match up numbers on anything other than these fairly rare, low-volume Argy kits will be unlikely to produce much. The Argy rifles were complete up until they were imported and they were new. There were only a couple of thousand sets and while they've changed hands a time or two, they've evidently always travelled as a lot and have not been previously released. Compare that to other kits that number in the 100's of thousands and have been trickling out to individual buyers for years who knows where. Not much chance of matching anything I'm afraid. And most of those were military issue rifles that often were unmatched before they were even demilled.
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:15   #116
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Old January 18, 2010, 12:38   #117
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Sorta. Ordering parts and having them match your receiver would be luck-of-the-draw. Compiling a data base and trading parts amongst ourselves would be more like making your own luck. The more kits FALfilers buy and enter into the database, the more matches we'll get. That's why I have three kits coming,.........hoping to help someone else get closure. I certainly don't NEED three more kits,..............right?!?
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Old January 18, 2010, 16:09   #118
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The real answer Kev is they don't want to take the time to assist the passion of their customers. I've been to SARCO several times since I live in the area and have received the same type response while standing on the outside of their counter.
Tell you what, a few greens passing hands will likely have someone in their warehouse grousing around even if off the clock to find your numbers, if available.

With a few passing of the greens, the Burns Bros employees would allow me to pick some select black finished STG58 kits, back in the day.
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Old January 20, 2010, 21:05   #119
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With a few passing of the greens, the Burns Bros employees would allow me to pick some select black finished STG58 kits, back in the day.
That type of LUBE works all the time, no matter what (sand, dust, temperature, ....)
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Old January 20, 2010, 21:48   #120
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You guys want matching numbers? Call up and ask if you can pay a $100 upcharge for #'s match. Bet you start seeing #'s match fast.
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If I was to buy one or more of these kits the barrels will have to be threaded, correct??
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Old January 21, 2010, 02:47   #122
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To Tomovich. No these barrels are threaded. Just no FH in the kit. Someone tell me how to post a refference from a previous post!
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You guys want matching numbers? Call up and ask if you can pay a $100 upcharge for #'s match. Bet you start seeing #'s match fast.
You know, If I operated SARCO I would do at least two thing to help move the profitability through increased sales of my business:

-Research threads like this on the internet and do what is necessary to reach out to firearm communities by providing more information on product which interest them.

-Hire a part-time school kid to set up an inventory system and serialize the products which are meaningful to the firearm community.

Customers love to deal with business who provide services on a personal basis as do some of the vendors and good folks here.
SARCO, good business is where you find it. Step up!

(Some of his thread will likely end up on Google by searching SARCO. If they were smart, they should research their own name and read the customer feedback on their business.)
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Old January 21, 2010, 09:47   #124
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Blasphemy...
I guess.

I am ready to start my Argy build,
...need a receiver yet, and its ordered.
Second week of wait.
I have all my other parts.

Thinking I will shorten the barrel,
gunplummer suggest a good length of 17.35".
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Old January 21, 2010, 10:01   #125
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First post here at Falfiles. Been out of guns for about 10 years. I picked up 10 Argentine uppers back then. (Got into Pinball of all things).

I have 7 NIB Argentine barrelled uppers left.
While we were on vacation years back our Neighbor's son decided he needed 3 of them.

The magnificent 7 left.
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1032
1128
1417
1589
1895
2153

Have one Sarco lower kit on order to check it out.
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-Hire a part-time school kid to set up an inventory system and serialize the products which are meaningful to the firearm community.

"Hey kid; Whacha do fer a livin ?"

"Oh, you know, weapons dealer." :O
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PS; to those whose bolts dont match carriers, Sarco specifically said all kits had matching bolts and carriers.
You may want to check into this if its important to you.
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You know, If I operated SARCO I would do at least two thing to help move the profitability through increased sales of my business:

-Research threads like this on the internet and do what is necessary to reach out to firearm communities by providing more information on product which interest them.

-Hire a part-time school kid to set up an inventory system and serialize the products which are meaningful to the firearm community.

Customers love to deal with business who provide services on a personal basis as do some of the vendors and good folks here.
SARCO, good business is where you find it. Step up!

(Some of his thread will likely end up on Google by searching SARCO. If they were smart, they should research their own name and read the customer feedback on their business.)
Sarco doesn't need to do anything. The kits are selling fine by themselves. If someone is in search of a full match kit they will probably take the time for the right money.

On the other hand, if everyone stopped buying the kits and they were told it's because they don't match MAYBE their light bulb would click on.

Or.... We as a group could all come together and offer to buy saaaaaaaaaaaay 100 kits as long as they match and our $$$$$$ would probably get more attention.
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Old January 21, 2010, 18:15   #129
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on the argy wood stock...will a standard non trap buttplate work or is it a special buttplate?
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The magnificent 7 left.
SN;
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1032
1128
1417
1589
1895
2153

Have one Sarco lower kit on order to check it out.
Hi lightguy,
Welcome to the FILES! this is a great place.....What a stash!! All of a sudden I desperately feel in need of being your friend!
Let us know when you get that SARCO kit and I will update the chart. Below is the chart with your info, good luck, we may find a matching kit for you....

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Another update with Eagle54 Argy Serial numbers looking for its companions!! We are gaining some momentum here.....

For the latest chart go to the end of the thread. Thanks.
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One of my listed barrelled uppers is built up with matching lower/bolt/carrier 01957, so you add that to the list. Still waiting on 3 more kits from SARCO.
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Old January 22, 2010, 08:08   #133
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I have upper 01108. It was and is barreled to an stg kit. I bought it that way on GB a while back. Its finish appears to be blued instead of black though? Mine is destined to be an argy para. I have an un-numbered lower for it.
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I have upper 01108. It was and is barreled to an stg kit. I bought it that way on GB a while back. Its finish appears to be blued instead of black though? Mine is destined to be an argy para. I have an un-numbered lower for it.
Thanks ScottV2 for sharing your Upper number!
Chart updated also with more info from KEV and Eagle54.

TED: ScottV2's upper is one number lower than your bolt and carrier! PING!!

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Old January 22, 2010, 22:24   #135
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Ok I am late.

My Upper is 02165

My Lower is 01379
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Old January 22, 2010, 22:55   #136
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Ok I am late.

My Upper is 02165

My Lower is 01379
OK, Michael....better late than never!!
And thank you for joining the crusade...now you are no longer watching......you are playing.

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Old January 22, 2010, 23:26   #137
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Hey aezcur;
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Hi lightguy,

You are welcome! Thanks a lot for supporting this initiative but the merit belongs to TEDG who was the one kicking this thread and I piggy back on it and I am helping.
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Hi, I love this concept...finally someone using their computer for the good of all rather than surfing porn!

Anyway, I'd like to know what your experiences are with the kits and Sarco specifically. I've not heard much in the way of good about those guys. I've heard of kits being described as "Mint" and they've been at best "Fair." Are these Argy's a different ballgame? If someone can post up nice clear pics, I might just be in for three myself.
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i bought the kit advertised in shotgun news and i would rate it as near to new as you can get in an FAL....
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Check out this thread, the pics are just what my 2 kits looked like


http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=274249

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Re: Argentine Parts and uppers

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Well it looks like were off to a good start, One down and only 2999 to go, As to the South African and Rhodesian Kits, Those are a whole different matter that could take ages to hope to try and piece together .....
Yes, seemingly pretty low odds. However sometimes it pays off. I helped re-unite an ex-Rhodie FALO a few years ago for another member here. And I was lucky enough myself to find the matching barrel to my own (now) all-matching Aussie L2A1. Again from a member here.

It does happen, but not if we don't try.
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Old January 23, 2010, 23:36   #143
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Re: Re: Argentine Parts and uppers

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It does happen, but not if we don't try.
++1. Agree. Let's keep trying. It will pay off, we have to be patient and persistent.

To Bronco_Buster: my two kits looks like new, as I said before I was pleasantly surprised when I received the first one and even better when I received the second one with all matching numbers and **Matching KEV's upper** !! These kits are a little bit expensive but I think it worth,...I may be wrong but don't think that FMAP will build FAL's again...
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Old January 26, 2010, 01:33   #144
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So for those of us purchasing/trying to match Sarco's Argentine kits, is there any precedent saying who has who's part? Like if my bolt and bolt carrier match someone else's lower, do they have my lower, or do I have their bolt and bolt carrier?

I guess I'd vote that the lower be the "anchor"/master, as the bolt and bolt carrier are way easier/cheaper to ship. So if my bolt and bolt carrier match your lower, I'll ship you the matching bolt and carrier in exchange for your current set.
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So for those of us purchasing/trying to match Sarco's Argentine kits, is there any precedent saying who has who's part? Like if my bolt and bolt carrier match someone else's lower, do they have my lower, or do I have their bolt and bolt carrier?

I guess I'd vote that the lower be the "anchor"/master, as the bolt and bolt carrier are way easier/cheaper to ship. So if my bolt and bolt carrier match your lower, I'll ship you the matching bolt and carrier in exchange for your current set.
Hi Danus ex,

I would agree with the last statement. And as an example I've got the SARCO kit with Serial number 01469 (lower, bolt and B/C): KEV already has the Upper and barrel, then, I'm shipping to him my kit. He will send me his in exchange once he get it from SARCO.
THen, if somebody has bolt and B/c matching a lower, then the bolt and B/c should go with the lower. I'm not saying that this is the law, it is just an idea.....in the end both parties will have to agree to what to do. I think it is fair to establish a 'priority' something like this:

1) Upper
2) Lower
3) Bolt
4) Carrier

Carrier goes to the bolt; bolt and carrier goes to the lower; lower, bolt and B/c goes to the Upper.

Any ideas are welcome...
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That sounds very reasonable to me, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm only hoping to match my upper receiver/barrel assemblies. If I have any other parts that match someone else's parts, I'll be happy to send them off and let someone else try to build a matching set.

I REALLY hope one of my incoming kits matches aezcur's 01559 receiver. It's the only way I can repay him for my 01469 parts. But if I don't get a match, what should I send him in exchange? If I send him a matching xxxxx and it later turns out to belong to someone else's receiver, he'll continually be shipping parts out. I haven't figured out the best way to exchange un-matched parts.
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Old January 26, 2010, 17:45   #147
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Wow....just saw this thread. I'll add my numbers to the mix here....though mine are united in a complete rifle as of rignt now. All still unfired and like brand new though!

Upper Receiver and Barrel....purchased from Gunbroker

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Matching lower, bolt and carrier...purchased from someone here (Falcon, I think)

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Wow....just saw this thread. I'll add my numbers to the mix here....though mine are united in a complete rifle as of rignt now. All still unfired and like brand new though!

Upper Receiver and Barrel....purchased from Gunbroker

01570

Matching lower, bolt and carrier...purchased from someone here (Falcon, I think)

01217


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Thank you for playing!!

See below updated chart with canman information.


For the latest chart go to the end of the thread. Thanks.
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I REALLY hope one of my incoming kits matches aezcur's 01559 receiver. It's the only way I can repay him for my 01469 parts. But if I don't get a match, what should I send him in exchange? If I send him a matching xxxxx and it later turns out to belong to someone else's receiver, he'll continually be shipping parts out. I haven't figured out the best way to exchange un-matched parts. [/B]
Hi KEV,

I really appreciate your good intentions but it is highly improbable you will get my lower/bolt/B-C matching 01559. Don't worry, at this point we just need to move along and keep trying to gain more adepts to this initiative, then more people will get the benefit of having matching kits.
It's fun to play and in the end what really matters is to have as many FALs as possible with matching numbers.
Thanks!
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Looks like SARCO's back to their old ways. Got home last night hoping to find three kits waiting, but after two weeks they still haven't even charged my card yet. Sent an email requesting info on the order,.................maybe hear something from them tomorrow.
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