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Old March 15, 2019, 23:23   #101
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Immediately the loony left is using this incident to bash Trump and push calls for more gun control!
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Old March 15, 2019, 23:36   #102
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All human history is replete with examples of what we now experience.

Same as it ever was.
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Old March 15, 2019, 23:39   #103
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counterargument--

the end result is simply an increase in overall magnitude--
population increase, more hairless monkeys running around, means more hairless murdermonkeys running around.

i.e. whenever the bell curve expands,
then the skinny ends of the bell curve expand too, the intrinsic 1% in the skinny ends become more noticeable, more pronounced.


it took centuries of bloody war to drive the muzzies out of europe last time.
this time around is going to be much bloodier, simply because there are a lot more muzzies to drive out.



this incident is not unexpected, really only a matter of "when" and "how bad", frankly about time the muzzies got a good taste of what they have been spreading around coming back on them.
the only genuinely surprising aspect is that it does not occur a lot more often than it does.


technical point: what Brenton Tarrant did is entirely consistent with the divine/holy quran, the surah, and the hadith--that is to say the record of what mohammad said and what mohammad did:
this is their jihad, coming back to bite the muzzies on the ass.

if they don't like it, then they should have thought about that before going on jihad.
While your counterpoint has merit, the critical part is communication and self awareness.
There has always been beastiality for example. Today with an EZ web search you can find vids of gurls & doggies
Gay porn ?
Everywhere
Scat and Piss porn ? Same deal
Just vile business G1

This nutter was into fringe web media. This polluted his critical thought process. I scroll through plenty of this, can't count the fringe boards I have perma bans on.
Me ?
This may surprise folks but I am Anti Hate and pro Environment
I am also pragmatic about both and try to keep my sense of humor intact
Not many share my views on Environmentalism or Hate
it's Okay to Hate
it's Okay to be a racist
just don't activate and start hurting innocents because you happen to be a bigot

8chan is an echo chamber full of crazy trolling tards and some people who end up influenced badly, it imposes a new reality G1
Some of this goes extreme

Remember the mass school shooting here in MN ?
Young Native boy goes in a Rez school, murders a mess of kids
What was the cause ?
He had been bullied badly by the half Black boys
so he finally turns to Stormfront where the echo chamber not only supported him but encouraged him on to stand up against Negro oppression
He murders granddad, a rez cop then takes his duty guns to school, slaughters those who abused him

anyways the two major factors in devolution in culture, just my opinion has primarily been the Web. A distant second being gamer culture.
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Old March 15, 2019, 23:55   #104
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the quran, sira, and hadith are very specific regarding infidels, heresy, and the punishment for infidels/heretics, and for infractions of islamic law, as well as the purpose and prescribed tactics of jihad/holy war.

you say you have been around,
so what did you perceive when you witnessed the doings at chop chop square in riyadh?
Nope, stayed out of Saudi land but I will give you perspective:

For a short period of time I resided in an International Student Cooperative, I was like one of the few Americans.
So one evening our resident Dane is debating an Islamic from the North African coast. Both were friends of mine.
Dane has typical Xtian anti Islam talking points
Got funny when he went into punishment under Islam
The muzz chuckled some
replied, Look in my country you steal we cut off that hand. You continue, you lose the other then feet. Yeah G1, that's how beggars on skateboards there got the way they are.
Rape is a serious crime much worse than simple theft.
He went on to explain this is why our women can safely walk streets at night while your own can not.

Understand, this was close to 40 years ago. It was a different time, well before the evolution of the Web which allowed extremists of many natures to evolve and prosper. This has been very true of radical Islam promoted out of Saudi Arabia

I have a profound distaste for Saudis btw
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Old March 16, 2019, 00:10   #105
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I am cynical so what I read makes me wonder. I read half the country has the permits to own a gun but the laws are very strict on how you get a permit and how you store your firearms. Simply put their regulations are very restrictive. Why is this killing there and why now? My cynical side since Zero hedge pointed out how the rich are moving to NZ and building bunkers says they are trying to get the guns out of the people's hands.
nope, not really Jim
yeah half the country has permits but the reality is that over 80% of rural Kiwis have guns in homes
Just a ton of old stuff from the 19th century in country. Typically fine English made doubles. Ton of Martinis, Remington Lees, early Lee Metfords
Mostly unrestricted

You can own MGs there but can't shoot them except at reenactment events

The north island is much more liberal than the south island as well
it's not super hard to obtain a class A license either
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Old March 16, 2019, 01:11   #106
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I have read every single post tonight up until this point. I studied each without judgement or predetermined bias. This what I understand at this point.

The killer in New Zealand has achieved exactly what he said he wanted to achieve. He is a boulder pusher, he saw a boulder tentively perched on the edge of a cliff and he felt the irrestiible urge to give it a shove just to watch it crash down into the cannon below with not a care in the world of who or what might be in the way. “Some people just want to see the world burn.”

Unfortunately there are a great many people just like him. We see and hear them on the TV, on the Internet, radio, magazines, news papers and in our educational systems all day every day. People that endeavor to focus our minds on hate, differences and anything possible to drive a wedge between to shove another boulder off the cliff.
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Old March 16, 2019, 06:36   #108
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When you guys have hornet problems,how do you deal with them?
Ant problems? Only squish the ones that happen to walk by you?
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Old March 16, 2019, 07:05   #109
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When you guys have hornet problems,how do you deal with them?
Ant problems? Only squish the ones that happen to walk by you?
With either if they get in the house I kill them otherwise they live so long as they don't bother me and mine
same deal with most living things
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When you guys have hornet problems,how do you deal with them?
Ant problems? Only squish the ones that happen to walk by you?
So in High School here we were importing refugees from Vietnam to live in Kemah Texas. This little town near Galveston is basically a fish and shrimp market back then.....these people were put there because they were fishermen.
The locals were outraged and fought back. The Vietnamese spoke no English and were certainly confused at their reception. They still remain mostly to themselves along with the hundred thousand or so Chinese, Japanese, Cambodian, etc that now live here. The Islamists are never going to be like us.
The others live among us and most are Christian, this is partly why the Mexicans
being mostly Catholics have done well here....but they cause most of the petty crime. Whites are certainly a big crime problem but it’s proportional. The blacks
and Mexicans cause a disproportionately large part of it.

We have lots of fire ants (imports) here........ijs
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I find this all very troubling.
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Troubling indeed Sir, I agree. ☹️
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I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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Old March 16, 2019, 10:20   #113
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It really sucks one mad man's acts can change the way of life for an entire country. They are banning guns due to one man's act, no government should hold everyone responsible for the acts of one mad man. This is tyrany.


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Old March 16, 2019, 10:30   #114
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It really sucks one mad man's acts can change the way of life for an entire country. They are banning guns due to one man's act, no government should hold everyone responsible for the acts of one mad man. This is tyrany.


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more like THEIR policies and the resulting actions. how many times can you slap somebody before you get punched?
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They think they are rulers rather than public servants, there is no need for that type in government.
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Something else I should toss out there is just who and what the current PM in New Zealand is:

Jacinda Ardern has an interesting history along her rise to power.
some background. Her Dad is a senior Kiwi copper and a devout Mormon Currently he is administrator of Tokelau, a remote NZ dependency in the Pacific. An act of pure nepotism by his daughter.

Politically she has been wacko Left since childhood
Didja' guys know she is a former President of the International Union of Socialist Youth ?
Research that group, the have been around since the turn of the last century. Straight up Communist organization, old school Leninists.
She ended up becoming the head of the Labor party in NZ
After the elections in 2017 Labor entered a coalition government with the anti immigration NZ 1st party and the Greens after the conservative National party swept the elections.
Yeah she has no business even being the head of State there.

She refers to herself as a Social Democrat...sound familiar ?
Big on crazy shit, taxing farmers for pollution and carbon footprint
lot more, you folks can research it more if you care to.

My point to bringing this all up is to help folks better understand why she has immediately went after Kiwi's guns. She is basically the Kiwi AOC
As to what success she will have on this only time will tell. The National party will oppose it and the White Nationalist NZ 1st party that makes up part of the coalition government that appointed her to PM may well walk away from her meaning she gets the boot as national leader.

I doubt the crazy bitch realizes just how tenuous her position really is or just how much she is disliked by a majority of Kiwis
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He is a boulder pusher, he saw a boulder tentively perched on the edge of a cliff and he felt the irrestiible urge to give it a shove just to watch it crash down into the cannon below with not a care in the world of who or what might be in the way. “Some people just want to see the world burn.”

Me and some high school buddies were hunting on the Snake River about 1970 and spotted several 4-6 foot boulders hanging by a thread, so we helped "free" them for a mile long role down the hill. Whew!!!!incredible adrenalin rush, hearing them crashing down thru thick brush and trees, clear to the bottom. This is why teenagers should not be allowed to vote!
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It really sucks one mad man's acts can change the way of life for an entire country. They are banning guns due to one man's act, no government should hold everyone responsible for the acts of one mad man. This is tyrany.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3735032/posts
Well that pin head Labor party AG must have got Jacinda's narrow foot up his ass
He's walking his comments Waaay Back now:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...ut-gun-control

While they really don't have a domestic NRA there is a very strong gun lobby in NZ
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I don't understand how someone can shoot that many unarmed persons in the back.

Even the NAZI's in WWII had great trouble, with Einsatzgrupen troops, refusing to execute Jews that way, after a few episodes.

Only Persons like SS Col, Otto Dirlewanger, could do this kind of shit.
It takes a certain kind of sociopath to do this kind of stuff, face to face.

I suspect that the reason why most mass killers committ suicide, is that they have an epiphany about it or want suicide by cop.

The Florida high school shooter was just to mentally ill to committ suicide, same with the Pittsburgh shooter.

We have freedom of religion, and since God does not have a religion, just the rules, it is up to political parties having baseball practice, and for churches in opposition to other churches, to arm themselves.

Religion and political groups, demand self defense efforts.

By the way, Israel attacked the GAZA strip the next day, killing over 50 muslims.

A partially disarmed society is a society that is in big trouble today.

Thank God for the 375 million guns in the USA today, and the billions and billions of rounds of ammo purchased each year by those gun owners.

Because of our gun owning efforts, many mass shootings do not happen!!

Those mass shootings, potentially to be committed by BLM, Muslims and other angry groups, in mass robbery and shooting attempts, do not happen, because of the fear of running into armed cops and American society...........we keep a cap on violence, except at soft underbelly, vulnerable places, because we exist...........all white persons are a potentially armed; a walking warning threat, to the thugs.

The sociopaths pick malls, churches, pubic places and schools for a reason...less liklihood of oppositions and plenty of unarmed sheep.
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And the best part of the whole mess is buried in the fine print,
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The second mosque shooting was stopped by an armed Muslim who "chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off," according to the New Zealand Herald.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...prime-minister
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Lives saved because someone at the Linwood Mosque was armed ... many more died at the Al Noor mosque because they were defenseless. It really does take a guy with a gun to stop a guy with a gun. Yet now the insane Progs like the NZ PM want to disarm more people to be killed by crazies and terrorists. Oddly enough armed security is good for the politically connected and powerful elites but not the Peasants:

"One armed congregant pursued the gunmen who opened fire during Friday prayer at his mosque in the New Zealand city of Christchurch, firing two shots at them as they sped away, the New Zealand Herald reported. The unnamed man went home to retrieve his gun when the shooting broke out before returning to the Linwood mosque to engage the shooter. He reportedly told the police he was acting in “self defense.” At least 49 people were killed and 48 injured during shootings at two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch. The Linwood mosque shooting claimed seven lives while a second shooting, at the Al Noor mosque, resulted in 41 dead."
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the only question about when do we shoot muslims is how hot does the water have to be. a few muslims in a western country will behave, but wherever they go, when they are more than a few, they steal, rape, maim,and murder non-muslims with impunity because the koran tells them it is a responsibility and a right to do so.

how many muslims is too many? when does killing them become self defense? when is it defense of your grandchildren?
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I don't understand how someone can shoot that many unarmed persons in the back.

Even the NAZI's in WWII had great trouble, with Einsatzgrupen troops, refusing to execute Jews that way, after a few episodes.

Only Persons like SS Col, Otto Dirlewanger, could do this kind of shit.
It takes a certain kind of sociopath to do this kind of stuff, face to face.

I suspect that the reason why most mass killers committ suicide, is that they have an epiphany about it or want suicide by cop.

The Florida high school shooter was just to mentally ill to committ suicide, same with the Pittsburgh shooter.

We have freedom of religion, and since God does not have a religion, just the rules, it is up to political parties having baseball practice, and for churches in opposition to other churches, to arm themselves.

Religion and political groups, demand self defense efforts.

By the way, Israel attacked the GAZA strip the next day, killing over 50 muslims.

A partially disarmed society is a society that is in big trouble today.

Thank God for the 375 million guns in the USA today, and the billions and billions of rounds of ammo purchased each year by those gun owners.

Because of our gun owning efforts, many mass shootings do not happen!!

Those mass shootings, potentially to be committed by BLM, Muslims and other angry groups, in mass robbery and shooting attempts, do not happen, because of the fear of running into armed cops and American society...........we keep a cap on violence, except at soft underbelly, vulnerable places, because we exist...........all white persons are a potentially armed; a walking warning threat, to the thugs.

The sociopaths pick malls, churches, pubic places and schools for a reason...less liklihood of oppositions and plenty of unarmed sheep.
Couple things V:

I totally agree with you on just walking around back shooting folks
think about what he did
After the initial entry, shooting and exit he goes back to the car a fair distance away and snags up the second AR then goes back and does the same thing again to the already dead and dying

After that he snipes the young gal on the sidewalk then calmly walks up pounding two more rounds in the back of head while shes pleading for her life. Did you notice the big ole chunk of her that went flying a few feet ?
So he gets back in the car doing a double bump right over her remain while starting his post massacre commentary. For me that was the truly horrifying part of it all, he sounds pretty damn calm as he heads to the next target.

I have hurt people, some brutally when the circumstances warranted it but there is just no damn way I could live with any of this.

Here's my opinion
He was completely desensitized to all of it by years upon years of programing via ultra violent video games.
You watch the video it's a straight up 1st person shooter game to him. He didn't even see them as people referring to them twice as "targets". Each was just one more point.
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They think they are rulers rather than public servants, there is no need for that type in government.
Several of my "representatives" have received that letter from me and a few others. Never heard back from them.
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Meanwhile, as the media mourns 49 dead Muslims ... dead silence about Muslims slaughtering 120 Christians:

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/201...s-three-weeks/
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2.1 children per family is whats required for a culture to survive.

Frances birthrate for whites is 1.4.....unsustainable. For Muslims its nearly 3.8. France will be an Islamic republic within my lifetime....30 years.

White Belgians birthrate is around 1.6. Their population is now 6% Islamic. Do the math.

Sweden - 1.8 for whites....5-6% of their population is muslim (they hide the numbers)

Spain - 1.3 for whites.....nearly 5% muslim

Italy - 1.3 for whites.....3% muslim

Germany - 1.5 for whites 6% muslim

Hungary- 1.5 birthrate - Virtually no muslims.
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more like THEIR policies and the resulting actions. how many times can you slap somebody before you get punched?
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I had something written but Sent it thru the filter to see if it should fly.

I tend to be battle stations take no prisoners, give no quarter kind of guy.

And with this topic and the direction our country is headed this is what's needed.


If we care to have a country left we really should start countering their presence and mission here.

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perhaps we that do not blindly drink “The Jim Jones Kool-Aid poured by the Leftists” need to properly teach the facts that “God gave each and every one of us FREE-WILL”

Thats why the leftists are so damn stupid / evil

The leftists cannot understand the true genius of the founding fathers of our Republic and how they incorporated Judeo/Christian values into our founding documents

and we all need to remember :
The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing


the guns did not commit murder, the guns are only the tool used by the person holding it

a framing hammer, baseball bat, golf club, rock, tree branch or cricket bat can easily kill in the hands of most humans, but free-will and a moral compass will dictate whether or not that person will use that tool to kill or do good and not evil

and trust me, I know the damage that I can do to just a wall with a 28 ounce framing hammer when I need to, so a persons skull would not fare well at all and neither would their other bones & soft tissue, so I do not run around doing evil things

so this guy and his other help (2,3,4 or more cohorts) in committing this act of violence are clearly “Leftist” by identifying with groups that we know are Leftist;

Nazis,
Facists,
Democratic Socialists,
Socialists,
Communists,
and other assorted Democrat nut-jobs, you know …. “DemonRats”

this guy and his cohorts committed these acts with the intention of killing and having the resulting effects to do damage to the God given rights of good men and women around the world and for us here in the USA that means destroying the Second Amendment that guarantees our God given right to defend ourselves, our loved ones and our property

Muslims kill other Muslims of different sects at a wholesale level every day throughout the world “in the name of Alah”, so this time its not another Muslim doing the killing/evil ……. the Leftists love the fact that they can use “this tragedy” to their benefit to destroy our rights.

People need to just get over it, turn a blind eye/turn away from it and move on with their own lives, if Muslims do the same thing to Muslims, Christians and Jews why the hell should any of us care that a non-muslim did the killing this time.

Western society, and in particular the Republic of the United States of America cannot tolerate the political ideology of human destruction called Islam. To assimilate into western societies you must understand and promote Judeo/Christian values to be a decent citizen and the Leftists want to destroy those values so they can enslave everyone of us.

In short, piss on the Muslims, Karma came calling and it was a “BITCH” !!!

yeah I know now everyone is going to troll me, BFD, I told the truth ……….
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Lives saved because someone at the Linwood Mosque was armed ... many more died at the Al Noor mosque because they were defenseless. It really does take a guy with a gun to stop a guy with a gun. Yet now the insane Progs like the NZ PM want to disarm more people to be killed by crazies and terrorists. Oddly enough armed security is good for the politically connected and powerful elites but not the Peasants:

"One armed congregant pursued the gunmen who opened fire during Friday prayer at his mosque in the New Zealand city of Christchurch, firing two shots at them as they sped away, the New Zealand Herald reported. The unnamed man went home to retrieve his gun when the shooting broke out before returning to the Linwood mosque to engage the shooter. He reportedly told the police he was acting in “self defense.” At least 49 people were killed and 48 injured during shootings at two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch. The Linwood mosque shooting claimed seven lives while a second shooting, at the Al Noor mosque, resulted in 41 dead."
Color me more than a bit skeptical on all this.

The initial story was it was the Caretaker at the Linwood Mosque who rather bravely wrestled the gun from the nutters hands after which said nutter took off on foot and was taken down a short distance away by also unarmed Kiwi police.

I believe that

The notion that's now being promoted is a muzz runs home, grabs a gun to defend his mosque, firing at TWO perps as they race away ?
Nope, don't pass the smell test at all.

1st off there simply wasn't enough time even if he was aware of the calamity at the Al Noor mosque to run home and return all gunned up.

2nd off Seven died at Linwood. Had there been an Armed muzz there nutter would have been shot or in a firefight

and as far as Jacinda Ardern being twitter threatened by ISIS ?
well it's not directed specifically at anyone. Just a general statement the Vengence will be coming. I would like a transalation of the Arabic written on the AK which appears to be a Chinese gun, possibly a Semi

just saying the script looks wrong to me, that one could be an elaborate troll by some idiot channer
Hell you can buy ISIS flags off EBAY
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So the guy who fought back used a credit card machine and an empty rifle?
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So in High School here we were importing refugees from Vietnam to live in Kemah Texas. This little town near Galveston is basically a fish and shrimp market back then.....these people were put there because they were fishermen.
The locals were outraged and fought back. The Vietnamese spoke no English and were certainly confused at their reception. They still remain mostly to themselves along with the hundred thousand or so Chinese, Japanese, Cambodian, etc that now live here. The Islamists are never going to be like us.
The others live among us and most are Christian, this is partly why the Mexicans
being mostly Catholics have done well here....but they cause most of the petty crime. Whites are certainly a big crime problem but it’s proportional. The blacks
and Mexicans cause a disproportionately large part of it.

We have lots of fire ants (imports) here........ijs
You guys missed the point. This guy saw mooselimbs as the problem,period,and went straight to the nest when he knew the whole colony would be there. Am I saying they're bugs? No..its metaphorical. But its why he had no problem with shooting the kids. Just like liberals have no problems aborting babies. No different at all. Nobody should be shocked. Hell,they were cheering the vote to exterminate babies right up the delivery date. How fugged up and demonically twisted is that?
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You guys missed the point. This guy saw mooselimbs as the problem,period,and went straight to the nest when he knew the whole colony would be there. Am I saying they're bugs? No..its metaphorical. But its why he had no problem with shooting the kids. Just like liberals have no problems aborting babies. No different at all. Nobody should be shocked. Hell,they were cheering the vote to exterminate babies right up the delivery date. How fugged up and demonically twisted is that?
I'm trying to get the point you're making. Only thing I come up with is depravity. What is the source? Hmm. The middle east has festered since the beginning of the republic and before. Their depravity is they get to escape their goat raping places and come to the west not much different than yankees and Calis coming in. On our side is the depravity of culture here. I said to myself when they were applauding whacking a child after it's born in the NY legislature that even a damn dog doesn't do that shit. We're not on the right or left. We're caught in the middle of this shit. You think the so called leaders we elect on "our side" give a shit?
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sigh...

Have you been around muzz, shared bread with them, attended mosque ?
I have
Not one damn time have I ever ran into a single one that ever wanted to dominate or enslave me Tak

Let's be real clear here
Xtianity has dominations that treat gals and gays as Dogs as well, hell fringe conservative Hebrews believe in stoning Gays or immodestly clothed ladies and it's happened in Israel.
There is little difference I have ever seen as a practical matter

The real truth is many use Islam as a cover word for Black or Brown
it's actually simple racism in their case.
let's try this:

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Those ladies are from one degree to another Muzzie and true Caucasians
Something to get in your wheelhouse is most of Islam no more follows Quran than Jews/Christians follow everything in Scripture
Maybe they should renounce mohammad and jihad and form a new religion then. Because by putting the mantle of islam upon their shoulders they are part of a greater evil whether they are active or passive in their religion.

I worked with 2 differnt people who were muslims, one was paki and one Jordanian. Both very nice people. One was before 9/11 and one was after. Would not trust any muslim at this point. Just like I wouldn't trust any very nice Nazi, either.

Couldn't care less about color...I'm a quite the mutt of mixed up races and ethnicities. Care more about defending against a political movment disguised as a religion that preaches in it's holy books and who's leaders to this very day promote and condone brutal Jihad, violent domination, slavery, abusive treatment of women, abuse of homosexuals (I don't condone it but they don't need to be thrown off the freakin' roof either), and terrorism.

I'm not sure where the disconnect is here.
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I worked with 2 differnt people who were muslims, one was paki and one Jordanian. Both very nice people. One was before 9/11 and one was after. Would not trust any muslim at this point. Just like I wouldn't trust any very nice Nazi, either.

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the only question about when do we shoot muslims is how hot does the water have to be. a few muslims in a western country will behave, but wherever they go, when they are more than a few, they steal, rape, maim,and murder non-muslims with impunity because the koran tells them it is a responsibility and a right to do so.

how many muslims is too many? when does killing them become self defense? when is it defense of your grandchildren?
This is the question many Europeans are probably asking themselves these days.
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perhaps we that do not blindly drink “The Jim Jones Kool-Aid poured by the Leftists” need to properly teach the facts that “God gave each and every one of us FREE-WILL”

Thats why the leftists are so damn stupid / evil

The leftists cannot understand the true genius of the founding fathers of our Republic and how they incorporated Judeo/Christian values into our founding documents

and we all need to remember :
The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing


the guns did not commit murder, the guns are only the tool used by the person holding it

a framing hammer, baseball bat, golf club, rock, tree branch or cricket bat can easily kill in the hands of most humans, but free-will and a moral compass will dictate whether or not that person will use that tool to kill or do good and not evil

and trust me, I know the damage that I can do to just a wall with a 28 ounce framing hammer when I need to, so a persons skull would not fare well at all and neither would their other bones & soft tissue, so I do not run around doing evil things

so this guy and his other help (2,3,4 or more cohorts) in committing this act of violence are clearly “Leftist” by identifying with groups that we know are Leftist;

Nazis,
Facists,
Democratic Socialists,
Socialists,
Communists,
and other assorted Democrat nut-jobs, you know …. “DemonRats”

this guy and his cohorts committed these acts with the intention of killing and having the resulting effects to do damage to the God given rights of good men and women around the world and for us here in the USA that means destroying the Second Amendment that guarantees our God given right to defend ourselves, our loved ones and our property

Muslims kill other Muslims of different sects at a wholesale level every day throughout the world “in the name of Alah”, so this time its not another Muslim doing the killing/evil ……. the Leftists love the fact that they can use “this tragedy” to their benefit to destroy our rights.

People need to just get over it, turn a blind eye/turn away from it and move on with their own lives, if Muslims do the same thing to Muslims, Christians and Jews why the hell should any of us care that a non-muslim did the killing this time.

Western society, and in particular the Republic of the United States of America cannot tolerate the political ideology of human destruction called Islam. To assimilate into western societies you must understand and promote Judeo/Christian values to be a decent citizen and the Leftists want to destroy those values so they can enslave everyone of us.

In short, piss on the Muslims, Karma came calling and it was a “BITCH” !!!

yeah I know now everyone is going to troll me, BFD, I told the truth ……….
as I stated in an earlier post Koko, it's perfectly fine to Hate
it's all about what you do with that Hate that matters

I do want to clear something up for you
His end game has nothing to do with talking away American RKBA
that's just a means to the end
His goal, he states it a few times in his writings is to Balkanize America by fracturing us along political lines created by the 2nd Amendment.

Why ?
Because he seeks to destroy the power of our nation by fracturing us into broken chunks. Guys here talk about this all the time
So to what end ?
He speaks to that as well
He detests Capitalism and the broad scope of American influence & military might.

Something rather similar was what bin Ladin was up to
Al Queda wasn't about defeating America
rather bin Ladin's stated goal was to actually compel our own government to wholesale restrict it's own people and spend billions
Osama actually wrote this in one of his last letters to the west prior to the 911 strike

Guess what he won, we are the big losers in everything post WTC particularly with the loss of our own treasured rights & civil liberties that came with the Patriot Act, new bureaus & agencies with a much wider scope of powers.

plus he got us to spend insane money on endless wars and in doing so we radicalized who knows how many peaceful folks
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Maybe they should renounce mohammad and jihad and form a new religion then. Because by putting the mantle of islam upon their shoulders they are part of a greater evil whether they are active or passive in their religion.

I worked with 2 differnt people who were muslims, one was paki and one Jordanian. Both very nice people. One was before 9/11 and one was after. Would not trust any muslim at this point. Just like I wouldn't trust any very nice Nazi, either.

Couldn't care less about color...I'm a quite the mutt of mixed up races and ethnicities. Care more about defending against a political movment disguised as a religion that preaches in it's holy books and who's leaders to this very day promote and condone brutal Jihad, violent domination, slavery, abusive treatment of women, abuse of homosexuals (I don't condone it but they don't need to be thrown off the freakin' roof either), and terrorism.

I'm not sure where the disconnect is here.
Oh trust me Tak I hear where you are coming from
I have friends I will never visit again as their nations are just too damn dangerous
Not a one are radicalized in the least

Do you recall what I said about anything nasty any of you guys can state about the muzz I can pull out Islam and plug in most any other faith in it's place ?

LOOK practically ALL faiths are political movements masquerading as "religion"
You know...my societal views are far superior to your own because my G-d sez so.

I mean hells bells, have you studied Torah ?
Slavery, brutal conquest, domination, treating wimmin like shit and ouitright murder of homosexuals are themes in both it and the Xtian Old Testament.
Same books largely.

Now Christians like Islam are faiths of proliferation, spreading the word while Hebrews are really not big on conversions. It's all about bloodline, you are born this way or your are not. There is no magic wand or incantations to make you a Jew thus they don't attempt to force others into the Hebrew faith, just leave them the heck alone.

Stupid Americans tend to cluster the muzz as just one big happy family of terrorist Goat boinkers when they are diverse as hell in both ethnicity and Race with widely divergent views regarding their faith
Yes, a minority just want to burn the world down for Allah but most of the tards in ISIS for example, for them it's just doing what shit heads do. They just claim they are raping and robbing in the name of Islam.

Do you think all Buhdists fit in the same box ?
Nope, there are quite a diverse number of sects

Remember Prisons EVERYWHERE are packed with religious types
I'm not impressed
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Anyone know the types of weapons the Christchurch, NZ perp used in his massacre? First one looks like a shotgun.
12ga semi, AR15, pump 12 plus he had a few others in the car that may or may not have been discharged.
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12ga semi, AR15, pump 12 plus he had a few others in the car that may or may not have been discharged.
In the video when he went back to the car it looked like a 308 AR10. The muzzle
climb would also indicate same. There were several rifles on the floor board that were not used as well as some in the back.

Anyone hear how long it took the cops and medical to get to the first scene?
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In the video when he went back to the car it looked like a 308 AR10. The muzzle
climb would also indicate same. There were several rifles on the floor board that were not used as well as some in the back.

Anyone hear how long it took the cops and medical to get to the first scene?
I'm still unsure if one was an AR10 but there were TWO AR pattern rifles
In the vid he initially enters with a shotty and 5.56
After the shotgun runs empty he tosses it and goes to the 5.56
Pretty sure initially he was running a Magpul drum
Fool dropped mags on the way in, recovered them then ran more rounds prior to exit.

Returns to car, tosses the hot gun beside the fence, leaves it then grabs the 2nd AR heading back in. I assume that one "may" have been an AR10
Shoots more then zaps the gal on the sidewalk on the way out
Again, the 2nd gun may have been 7.62. I'm only saying that due to how far a decent sized chunk of the poor gals head was launched in the air. Honestly 5.56 usually won't do that but he did double tap the back of her head while she was begging for her life.

Guns in car ?
you can see three on the passenger side floor in the vid stacked in a row
Two more in the back along with cheap gas cans. Stop and enhance the image they look to be modded up as IEDs. I'm assuming those were the ones found "attached" to cars disarmed by the NZDF.

Frankly we are getting fed a bit of conflicting BS
The Vid runs from Al Noor to the start of the Linwood location
does anyone see him take the IEDs out ?
nope...
NZDF disarmed them while they were still in his car after the Linwood caretaker wrenched the gun from his hands and he beat feet down the street where unarmed kiwi coppers took him to the curb

Earlier today on CNN they were interviewing some Paki who claimed his friend had been arm shot and while he was holding him nutter shot said friend twice in the head.

Well I smell bullshit
at Linwood allegedly he was running a shotgun again
that Paki while obviously still in shock was unwounded

Thing is media loves to make "heros" out of victims
The only true hero was the Linwood caretaker, ballsy assed move he made. I'd buy him dinner any day

Something to think over is he left a trail of not just magazine but even guns
Tossed the pump after the Al Noor entry and ditched one of the ARs in the alley

Have to remember this is NZ, cops don't carry and those that are certified are few and far between
big problem there is cops are supposed to stand down
for example you are all drunked up behind the wheel, copper lights you up...many Kiwis lay foot to the pedal as their LE is not supposed to give chase
Well someone might get hurt !

Not sure on time frame for 1st responders
stories online that EMTs were not allowed in at Al Noor until unarmed coppers secured things, they were in no hurry to do so either I should add
Can't blame them a bit either
Likely some victims died due to unarmed police refusing to allow EMTs in

Similar sized city in America ?
Armed LE would be there real fast and clearing the zone for Emergency services but that's just not their way so folks likely perished needlessly

Of the 5 guns I have heard he had the two ARs, two pump shotguns and an as let undetermined lever gun in the car
At linwood it's a pump, you can see that in the vid
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Now this below, is worth going into a full on non restrictive war over!

Banning free speech, is a reason to go to war over.

If others can control free speech, they FULLY control you.

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Pushback?

Have not been Down Under in over 20 years. Had a nice visit, pretty nice folks.
But I did notice PC stuff even then.

Have no idea what it is like now. If both Oz and NZ gubbermints really slam down speech restrictions on their respective genpop's, would the citizens say hell no?

Or will they roll with it, accept it, in the name of social justice?

Just curious.

Sadly I think that here in the US, lots of folks would roll with it too, just because of this rush to overt communist ideals we seem to be experiencing, as well as all the PC crap since the 90's as well. It's entrenched.

This kind of stuff never ends well.

IIRC, didn't Esau sell his birthright for a bowl of soup?
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All the forgoing hyperbole aside yet well considered; What is one to do about it?

Seriously.

The internet is all aflutter/breathless over this event yet, what are we Westerners to do about it?

It seems that the West and its supposed repreHensitatives in .gov are in collusion and deliberately failing to deal with this situation as they had done so many times in the past concerning intermingling brown people/dissimilar cultures with well established Western cultures.

Are dissimilar cultures the problem and should we eradicate them over the entire planet?

Should we attack and kill dissimilar cultures within our own areas of existence (locally)?

Why are dissimilar cultures being forced upon a peaceful and productive society/culture/nation against their expressed will?

Who are those responsible for causing this travesty of civilization to occur?

Who Are They?

Should we care about who they ^ are and just fight and kill those unwanted/intolerable cultures introduced at our expense into our midst?

Should we debate about it (engage in pissing/dick-size contests) and display our internet testicular fortitude while our objections to maintaining our way of life, peace, productivity and standard of living are exponentially eroded by those elected to the public trust?

Why are we here?



WHAT IS THE WAY FORWARD?
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Well we know what the leader of NZ is doing about it:

1. Moving to ban all guns
2. Putting on a symbol of islamic oppression of women by donning a hijab today.

If the terrorist had any seemingly legitimate point anywhere at all in his words or actions, she just proved him right.
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Evidently, the Christian's G-D doesn't have a solution any better than Mohammad's G-d does, either.

Wheat/Chaff - Let G-D sort them out.

Kill, Kill Kill . . .




People in high places are doing this to us.

Are they responsible/accountable or not?
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