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Old March 13, 2019, 10:21   #301
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In some countries yes they are demilled.

In other countries thanks to the new EU directives all these semi autos and full autos are going away in the rest of Europe.
No wall hangers in my house. All ok, all selectives.
For collectors there isn"t much changing.
The news you guys pick up about EU seems to be "easy black and white" news.
Truth has many layers.

For us, not much affects the collector and shooters.

Same we here in EU about the USA, most Europeans think every US man has got at least 20 full auto guns in his home and they all carry a pistol 24/7.
There pick-up have shotgunracks in the rear and you can shoot everywere you want.

In reality ...
Believe me, if you like full auto's come to Europe... They go cheaper as the semi auto since there is not extra proofstamp and semi attest needed. (+120$ cost)
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Old March 13, 2019, 11:02   #302
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Truthfully, I doubt I could afford the ammo for full auto rifles(fixed income). I'd better stay where I'm at?
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Old March 13, 2019, 11:20   #303
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No wall hangers in my house. All ok, all selectives.
For collectors there isn"t much changing.
The news you guys pick up about EU seems to be "easy black and white" news.
Truth has many layers.

For us, not much affects the collector and shooters.

Same we here in EU about the USA, most Europeans think every US man has got at least 20 full auto guns in his home and they all carry a pistol 24/7.
There pick-up have shotgunracks in the rear and you can shoot everywere you want.

In reality ...
Believe me, if you like full auto's come to Europe... They go cheaper as the semi auto since there is not extra proofstamp and semi attest needed. (+120$ cost)
And how do you know we don't?
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Old March 13, 2019, 16:05   #304
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And how do you know we don't?

Been in the States
On all those day's i saw Zero guns...
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Old March 14, 2019, 00:46   #305
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Been in the States
On all those day's i saw Zero guns...
Where? New York? California? I can and used to carry 24/7. I have seen those pickup trucks with rifles hanging in racks in the rear window.

Have you been to Tennessee? Come on. We welcome you.

Not to take this thread too far afield (again) but in what Euro country can the common man (not rich guy with time and money to spend on applications and approvals declaring he's a "collecter") just decide one day he wants a personal pistol or rifle for "for any legal purposes" and walk home from a retail establishment the same day with one in the trunk of his car or tucked in his belt?

I've worked for Austrian French and German companies and presently work for a British company. No, it does not happen over there. You have to have to be granted extremely special dispensation. I suspect you belong in this category and good for you but you have been given the privilege. Over here it's a right. A right that each state sometimes tries to carve into different levels of acceptance because the Second Amendment is not, as we would say, fully Incorporated.

I love your rifles and I'm somewhat covetous. Over here it would be a $200 federal tax stamp and what ever a seller can get from a buyer to get a fully automatic firearm. What do you have to go through over there? And yeah these are old topics and yeah it should be an entirely other hread. But so should the posting of your Israeli rifles. They look good but this thread is about the purchase of the DSA clones they've recently launched. Fire up a new post introducing them. I'd like to learn more.
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Old March 14, 2019, 01:40   #306
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Been in NY, Miami, everglades, Orlando..., Keys

Only hunter can carry a gun on there shoulders.
Consealed carry is indeed extreme rare in EU. You need to be a Jewish diamant trader or so.

Be a collector cost only some 100$ a year. Doesn't matter if you got 20 or 200 MG's, pistols...
And no, i'm not rich, really not. Just a teacher... It's dirt cheap here
Those izzys, next topic as soon as i got the other one in my hands. I make good pics and put'm in the FAL image section like my other reference pics for all those clone builders.

Keep'm shooting guys

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Old March 14, 2019, 07:57   #307
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Finely after 10 weeks I have notice that my rifle will be here today.
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Old March 17, 2019, 10:45   #308
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Arriving tomorrow

After 9 weeks, the tracking number indicates it will arrive my LGS tomorrow. By the way, donít let DSA site Mis-inform you, shipping isnít free.
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Old March 17, 2019, 12:46   #309
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After 9 weeks, the tracking number indicates it will arrive my LGS tomorrow. By the way, donít let DSA site Mis-inform you, shipping isnít free.
Would you expect it to be with a 10+lb rifle? I think you're dreaming in today's world.
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Would you expect it to be with a 10+lb rifle?
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If the ad says so, yes. I would.
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I never read that in their ad?
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Old March 17, 2019, 17:32   #312
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My order receipt says Shipping: UPS Ground $0.00 so I am not expecting any other charges.


Edit: I just put one in my cart and started the checkout process and UPS: Free is still one of the options.

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Old March 17, 2019, 17:45   #313
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Their site said USPS Ground shipping is free. The order receipt also indicated shipping is free. However, the receipt I received after credit card charged showed shipping cost is $25.

I called to enquire and their reply was ďno serial items come with free shippingĒ. Iím here to inform everyone not to expect free shipping despite what they indicate on their site and not complaining paying the $25 for shipping.
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Old March 17, 2019, 17:46   #314
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My order receipt says Shipping: UPS Ground $0.00 so I am not expecting any other charges.


Edit: I just put one in my cart and the started the checkout process and UPS: Free is still one of the options.
I believe its an error,do you see where driver leaving a note or the package for free is an option? I doubt that will happen,. I got charged 1350 for an officer grade with unthreaded barrel and no combo device which is lower than i expected. But i got charged for shipping and extra 4 bucks for signature required to release package. The 50 extra for color in was worth it , they did oevery letter and number on receiver both sides
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Old March 17, 2019, 17:53   #315
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Well, one of the advantages of using credit cards is the Dispute Charge Feature is easy and effective. They can't just randomly add charges after you have agreed on the price.

We shall see though. I'm still waiting for mine.
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I believe its an error,do you see where driver leaving a note or the package for free is an option? I doubt that will happen,. I got charged 1350 for an officer grade with unthreaded barrel and no combo device which is lower than i expected. But i got charged for shipping and extra 4 bucks for signature required to release package. The 50 extra for color in was worth it , they did oevery letter and number on receiver both sides
Yes, they told me free shipping is an error on the site and compensated me with a $25 credit for the next purchase. So, do call and ask for that.
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Yes, they told me free shipping is an error on the site and compensated me with a $25 credit for the next purchase. So, do call and ask for that.

That would work for me. I need a few small things from them anyway.



I may still dispute though, because a deal is a deal and they need to get their stuff in order.
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Old March 17, 2019, 18:00   #318
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I never read that in their ad?
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Old March 17, 2019, 18:27   #319
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I believe its an error,do you see where driver leaving a note or the package for free is an option? I doubt that will happen,. I got charged 1350 for an officer grade with unthreaded barrel and no combo device which is lower than i expected. But i got charged for shipping and extra 4 bucks for signature required to release package. The 50 extra for color in was worth it , they did oevery letter and number on receiver both sides
I ordered, directly with DSA, my Officers Model on December 28th. and received it 6.5 weeks later. I paid the then advertised price of $1495.00 shipped (shipping included) and an additional $4.25 for requiring an adult signature before the UPS driver could leave the rifle; so $1499.25 total. This was with an unthreaded barrel, no suppressor installed, but the Short Belgian type FH and DSA FN type plastic furniture had to be included, I was told, as well as a very nice DSA FAL Manual and a, I will say, worthless sling. But I like the rifle I received very well, especially after my replacing a few parts with NOS parts.

I now have a set of DSA FN FAL plastic type furniture to get rid of that includes a DSA short Belgian FH, DSA HGs, DSA FN style humpback buttstock w/sling-swivel, all but the carry-handle and I will throw in a worthless sling. Also, the original wood that came on the Israeli Officers Model from DSA to let go of if anyone interested,
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FWIW, my order placed on 02 MAR for the Officer's Grade shows $0 for shipping and $4.25 to require a signature. My card has not been charged yet. But they offered free shipping, so it isn't unreasonable to hold them to it, especially on a $1500 purchase.
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My inquiry email exchange with DSA Customer Service . . .

Me: Is shipping $ included in cost of purchase?

Them: Yes, the shipping fee is $25.00 and is included in the final balance.

Me: Just want to be clear. So even though UPS Shipping shows $0 on the attached order confirmation there will be an additional $25 upon final invoice?

Them: Yes, the site automatically gives free shipping on orders over $400.00 but since this is a serialized item it does not qualify for shipping promotions. This information is shown during the checkout process.
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If anybody has extra $17,500 lyin around, you can buy a real Springfield Armory imported Hebrew Hammer that just came up on Armslist - Full Auto NFA Fun.
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Old March 18, 2019, 18:17   #324
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Yes. First post. Been lurking for a couple of months. Mark is building my first riFAL.
No. Not mine but it literally came up on Armslist within the last 1/2 hr.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/971899...08-machine-gun
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Been in NY, Miami, everglades, Orlando..., Keys

Only hunter can carry a gun on there shoulders.
Consealed carry is indeed extreme rare in EU. You need to be a Jewish diamant trader or so.

Be a collector cost only some 100$ a year. Doesn't matter if you got 20 or 200 MG's, pistols...
And no, i'm not rich, really not. Just a teacher... It's dirt cheap here
Those izzys, next topic as soon as i got the other one in my hands. I make good pics and put'm in the FAL image section like my other reference pics for all those clone builders.

Keep'm shooting guys

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Paco I think some of us would appreciate you ellaborating a bit more. As in does that only apply to Belgium or are some other European countries included. Additionally do you have to be a citizen or can you be a resident with an EU passport. Not a question of being lazy but information about arms collecting in the EU is pretty scarce on the internet. Either due to filters or people understandably and interntionally keeping the information pretty close to their chests. Thanks.
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