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Old March 11, 2019, 16:54   #1
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History of the Imbel kits from Sarges, TDW, and Whatacountry?

So whats the history on these? Does anyone know where they have been, what they have seen, who used them, etc? I got one of the old sarges kits from parts kit depot on GB. The finish looks well worn but the internals and barrel are like new. Mine has a carving on the inside of the handguard that has the name Cordero followed by 94 Y 95 which I'm assuming means 1994 and 1995.

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Old March 12, 2019, 11:37   #2
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Nobody knows?
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Old March 12, 2019, 11:54   #3
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Brazilian surplus.

Besides that, who can say ?



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Old March 12, 2019, 12:21   #4
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Just curious if they stayed in Brazil or if they were made for export or if Brazil was in any battles they might have been in or just national guard type stuff. I know there's no exact way to know but maybe a probability of some kind of use.
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Old March 12, 2019, 12:24   #5
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Dans Sporting Goods in PA had received quite a few kits from a man named Stacy in Oregon. From what I remember there were about 100k kits imported. I assume there were other importers that were part of the import. Some of the kits looked like they were unfired or used very little. Dan had them graded grade 1, grade 2 or grade 3 depending on the finish of the kit not the internals. I remember the saying carried a lot fired little. There is another individual that was privy to the import game back when. maybe he will chime in.
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Old March 12, 2019, 12:56   #6
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Discussed many times. Some came via Chile.
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Old March 12, 2019, 13:11   #7
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Brazil sold FAL's to many Latin American countries, and a few? that somehow found their way to Rhodesia.

One customer was Chile. Chile adopted the FAL in 1960. In 1975, a border war with Argentina was expected, Chile purchased a large quantity of M964 FAL rifles from Brazil.
A great many of these rifles were later declared as surplus and sold to miscreants, mostly in the US.
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Old March 12, 2019, 13:29   #8
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Excellent information guys! Thanks.
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Old March 12, 2019, 17:05   #9
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A bunch of the kits Dan Tobin sold were Bolivian (surplus as they rolled over to the SCAR) and some were Ecuadorian as well. Still have some unique accessories I bought from him when they first hit his hands. He'd previously been surviving on refinished Belgian parts and kits (as I first ran into him).

Methinks Dan is still around and would be a good source to query. Sadly, I'm on the road and can't maintain a known contact point. A member may be near enough to look him up....he sold a LOT of them.
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Old March 12, 2019, 22:28   #10
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South American Fal's

First and foremost, With Dan in New Kensington, Pa. When he first got into the Fal Game he bought what Burns Brothers first refused which was all the Cuban Fal's that originally came out of Nicaragua after the the Sandinistas took over and later the New Nicaraguans Govt Had put the Cuban Fal's up for auction with a Broker. Then after they were sold, Stacy Prius of PWArms found a deal with a Broker out of Chile for some of the Fal's that were purchased from Imbel and some that were original FNH Fal's, That's what Stacy imported. There was also some Fal's purchased from Bolivia and a few other small batch's from two other countries. This is what a few of my International Arm's importer's told me. They have their own group that unless your in there business, You can't get into unless you have a FFL/SOT 10 license and also have to be registered with Dept. Of State, US Custom's and BATFE too. So now you know a little more of what I know about who's doing what and who some of the players are in the trade.
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Brazil sold FAL's to many Latin American countries, and a few? that somehow found their way to Rhodesia.
At the time of the contract, Rhodesia was Zimbabwe. Easily discerned by having Type 3 receivers; those in Rhodesian service did not have Type 3 receivers.
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Old March 13, 2019, 19:50   #12
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Has anyone ever thought about writing down these stories in a single place (book) in an interesting manner? As a history buff this stuff fascinates me.
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Old March 17, 2019, 15:19   #13
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Awesome info thanks so much fellas
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Old March 17, 2019, 15:30   #14
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Has anyone ever thought about writing down these stories in a single place (book) in an interesting manner? As a history buff this stuff fascinates me.
That would make a most interesting read, if all FAl / L1A1 History and Import / Sales History was put into one written book!

But, unless someone actually does it soon, all will be lost.
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Has anyone ever thought about writing down these stories in a single place (book) in an interesting manner? As a history buff this stuff fascinates me.
Some of this type of info is in The FN FAL Primer, but space was limited. Look at Stevens book that covers the story of SLR development, that alone is hundreds of pages.
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Old March 17, 2019, 16:59   #16
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That would make a most interesting read, if all FAl / L1A1 History and Import / Sales History was put into one written book!

But, unless someone actually does it soon, all will be lost.
Start writing. I did The FN FAL Primer. You guys can do more on Canada, G1, US imports, etc.
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Old March 17, 2019, 18:21   #17
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Wow, this is much more info than I expected. Thanks guys!
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Old March 18, 2019, 08:26   #18
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all 3 of my Imbel FAL kits came from Dan back in the day, i live within a short driving distance of his place and got to handpick all of kit guns at the warehouse.
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