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Old August 16, 2013, 19:34   #1
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Belgian Bipod Cut Handguards...

For Reference....Green/Black/Brown...

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Old August 16, 2013, 22:37   #2
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Old August 17, 2013, 05:57   #3
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What a friken TEASE!!!

Seconds.....on ALL THREE SETS!!!

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Old August 17, 2013, 12:40   #4
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Green-electro penciled
Black- C molded into one side
Brown- heat stamped
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I have a brown set that has G770 Electro penciled another set that is on a rifle and I don't recall the number or stamp type.....and a Gray set that is Heat stamped G or C 49 and one set is G 65.......

I have yet to uncover a green tinted set......BUT there is a GREEN set with my name on them.....SOMEWHERE!!!

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I, have a green set. Still wrapped up in some sort of wax/oil paper. HeHe
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I, have a green set. Still wrapped up in some sort of wax/oil paper. HeHe
And yet ANOTHER tease surfaces.......Just remember me D when you need that kidney or lung!


I know they are out there and once I am ready I will be on the HUNT.......keep them safe and mamma happy.....I am not beyond BLACK MAIL ya know!

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LOL, I just got Mama a new Prada purse, im good for at least 2 over the top purchases!
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Old August 17, 2013, 19:58   #9
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I have what I believe to be Belgian NBC hand guards with A and B molded into the inside of the hg's ...so I assume they are Belgian....the only other I could think of would be SA and I don't believe they made BC hand guards....
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Old August 17, 2013, 20:03   #10
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I will have a gray set of NOS Belgians in my hands in a few weeks.
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Old August 17, 2013, 23:46   #11
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Lught Brownish Tan handguard sets

You all FORGOT one, The light Brownish TAN SETS, More Rare than any other sets out there.

Look on Page 302, Metric section of the Fal Bible.

For you newbies it's called,

The Fal Rifle
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By Blake Stevens
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ISBN 0-88935-168-6
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For the dark brown, did they have matching PG and Buttstock?
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Old February 03, 2015, 19:32   #13
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Greek military

The dark brown was only ordered by the Greek military. Black Buttstock and Black pistol grip with the dark Brown handguards.
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Old February 03, 2015, 22:27   #14
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Old February 04, 2015, 01:11   #15
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what would you call these and how much are they worth !? got them out of Belgium about 8 yrs ago
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I'd call em "real nice", and I will say they're worth $100.00 to me--want to sell?
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My FAL bible is hidden right now. What were the Greek rifles configured like?
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The dark brown was only ordered by the Greek military. Black Buttstock and Black pistol grip with the dark Brown handguards.
The Greek are plum there is also dark brown without the purple hue. And the Greek refinish on the metal has a blue grey color not grey black.
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Bringing up an old thread. It looks like I scored a NOS set of these type handguards. They do have the stop for the gas regulator and are bipod cut. Inside, there is what appears to be a small, melted in Belgian "pineapple" or "egg" shape.






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Old March 05, 2019, 21:08   #20
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Old March 05, 2019, 21:49   #21
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Same here Dean.
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Old March 05, 2019, 21:52   #22
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D, very nice rifle. Would that carry handle be correct or is it the more round finger grooves like the Izzy LB? Wondering because I will need to get the proper one. Thanks.


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For a G Series lightweight it's correct; David - still owed a thousand thanks for all you've done over the years!

I'm mobile right now, or I'd find the blue-gray ones too. These just seem right...right where they are and have never moved.
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Old March 05, 2019, 23:01   #24
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Agreed the non bipod cut handguards are the most desirable. The whole bipod thing was/is worthless. FN never thought about doing it, till the West Germans got involved. How could an operator employ the stupid thing? The non bipod cut handguards are far more comfortable and more attractive. They're also harder to find. South Africa never bought into the bipod nonsense so they made plastic handguards that are my favorite metrics. They don't have the regulator stop riveted to the steel nose piece either. The FN, Imbel, Argy, et al are brittle fiber glass usually including the regulator stop, a fix for a non existent problem. The RSC didn't do bipods on light rifles either. So inch laminated wood and Marinyl nylons are the best of all FAL handguards.
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Agreed the non bipod cut handguards are the most desirable. The whole bipod thing was/is worthless. FN never thought about doing it, till the West Germans got involved. How could an operator employ the stupid thing? The non bipod cut handguards are far more comfortable and more attractive. They're also harder to find. South Africa never bought into the bipod nonsense so they made plastic handguards that are my favorite metrics. They don't have the regulator stop riveted to the steel nose piece either. The FN, Imbel, Argy, et al are brittle fiber glass usually including the regulator stop, a fix for a non existent problem. The RSC didn't do bipods on light rifles either. So inch laminated wood and Marinyl nylons are the best of all FAL handguards.
Actually the Bundeswehr was quite prudent with the employment the G1 bipod. During the Cold War and the threat of hords of Combloc and Soviet attacking West Germany, troop companies had the ability to fire their weapons in full auto in a more stable firing position.
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There are few places in nature where plant life allows prone shooting. At organized shooting ranges it may work. The military FAL bipods are too short to work in the field. Even in the desert here in Az. you have to look for a position where a bipod may work. I can only imagine the West Germans pictured troops in trenches shooting light rifles in an artificial environment. The idea is unworkable, but these are the same Generals that thought steel handguards were a good idea.
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There are few places in nature where plant life allows prone shooting. At organized shooting ranges it may work. The military FAL bipods are too short to work in the field. Even in the desert here in Az. you have to look for a position where a bipod may work. I can only imagine the West Germans pictured troops in trenches shooting light rifles in an artificial environment. The idea is unworkable, but these are the same Generals that thought steel handguards were a good idea.
Really? I don't know if you were in the military or not and when in an ambush or firefight you hit the deck real quick no matter where you happen to be.
Full auto firing from a bipod is more accurate than freehand auto firing.
I see films of the 1918 BAR fired from the shoulder or hip and I doubt the trooper hit shit. The 1918A1/A2 BAR was designed to better control fired rounds from a bipod.

I believe the significance of the FN bipod cut handguards was to make the NBC handguards obsolete by only producing one handguard and offering the bipod as an option on all future contracts.
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Yeah....I guess Germany , Austria , Holland , Greece, Brazil , Argentina, and a lot of other countries got it wrong....
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I was trained to return fire while moving to cover. As I said there are few places that offer a clear view 1 ft off the ground. Why so many kept the bipod is easy. Generals can't admit they screwed up. They're far more likely to keep screwing up. Remember the West Germans demanded the steel hand-guards and a lower sight line that screwed up the sight picture. Plenty of countries kept those too. I have fired a 1918 BAR with no bipod. It's far superior to any FAL in full auto, so I had no trouble controlling it. 3-4 shot bursts all hit within 3 in. The Bren is superior too so the Brits didn't need a L2. The clip on M16 bipods we got in Nam were a waste too.
Is there anyone who can honestly claim bipod cut handguards are as comfortable as non bipod cut? If there's anything that's obsolete it's the bipod. All this reminds me why I like the inch rifles.
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The Germans and other European countries I mentioned above were gonna be sitting in their bunkers and foxholes and be automatic riflemen when the Russians came pouring over the border....plastic handguards would have melted or deformed....look at most European armies rifles and proposed rifles of that period...most had bipods or had the ability to accept one....just the doctrine of the time....
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I believe the German employment of metal hand guards go back to WWII with the select fire StG/MP 44-45. It was a very successful weapon in its short lived career.
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The German and Austrian plan was to hold a defense while being overrun by the Russian hordes. There was no "beat them back" it was "hold them as long as possible" - no counter-offensive. Thus, there wouldn't be a lot of moving around. The bipods make sense.

BGS in the early 50s was more powerful than the Army and was effectively it's temporary replacement. Thus, it makes sense that BGS operated under the same assumption they'd be overrun, and bipods would be beneficial.

Why Argentina and others adopted the bipods I cannot say. However, I'll throw out the observation and guess that since there are a billion NOS Argie bipods available, they made or bought a load of them, and didn't employ them. Certainly, period photos from Falklands don't show bipods.

Dean- that is a beautiful rifle. My favorite HG are the Greek plum- such a rich, dark color but not black.
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Black & Gray Mold?

You mention “C-Mold” or G-Mold”?

Huh? Does this mean if they have mold growing in them...their Belgian? LOL! (Just kidding of course)

Seriously though...I have a NBC Belgian Gray Set and NBC Black Set (no stop Rivets)....the question is....how can a guy know for a fact they are genuine?

Is the mold you are talking about mean that the serial number stamped inside start with a “C” or a “G” or something?

And another thing....I have often wondered if people have figured out a way to “Bleach Out” the color of Black HGs to resemble Gray Ones?

I have read where Belgium had made ones with the “Stop Rivets”....then again...I have heard that Belgium never made any HGs with “Stop Rivets”???

Obviously, one way to tell is the tattletale “Belgian Crown” Stampmark on the inside (if present).

What are the other ways to tell if they are Original??
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Well, Orion, the ones I have posted up above have the stop, are bipod cut and are NOS Belgian. They have the typical Belgian "egg" burned or melted into the plastic.


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Yup, that set you have screams out "FN". I was just wondering if there was any other "dead-giveaways" that could be an indicator?

It sounds like FN made them with the Stop Rivets and without...
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