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Old March 06, 2019, 16:01   #1
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Ammo choice for a HB Israeli?

For those of you who have experimented with ammo in a HB Israeli...

What surplus ammo has given you the best results?
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Old March 06, 2019, 16:43   #2
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Any NATO spec is fine. Some has performed statistically better than others. What comes to mind is German DAG and Spanish Santa-Barbara. But my overall experience with the Izzy FALO is to keep your expectations in line with practical accuracy for the time period. 3-4 MOA is typical. 2 MOA is outstanding. There was another surplus that did really well and I read about it just a few weeks ago on here, but now I don't remember what it was. Argy maybe?

I generally recommend avoiding ammo from places that still shit in their drinking water.

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DAG
Hert
Brit RG
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Malay - some light primer strikes
Port FMP
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RSA - some light primer strikes in FAL, no problem with HK
Izzy - lots of issues with the Tz 80 flame cutting cases, but ran fine in my 1919
USGI

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Privi
all steel cased esp Tula except maybe chinese
Cavim
Indian
some others that I can't recall right now.
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Old March 06, 2019, 16:54   #3
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Avoid surplus yugo too. Corrosive and light strikes.

Federal LC M80 is also reasonably priced these days.
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Old March 06, 2019, 17:15   #4
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I wasn't aware privi was a no no, what problem does it suffer from?
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Old March 06, 2019, 17:46   #5
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I wasn't aware privi was a no no, what problem does it suffer from?
I also wonder. But I'm only familiar with the commercial stuff
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Old March 06, 2019, 17:51   #6
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I also wonder. But I'm only familiar with the commercial stuff
Well crap, brain fat
I was thinking commercial though they were clearly talking surplus...sorry.
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Well crap, brain fat
I was thinking commercial though they were clearly talking surplus...sorry.
It is confusing because Tula was stated as well
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Old March 06, 2019, 18:55   #8
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And a case of Cavim lives in the ammo locker........

Already allocated to "bolt guns only", though !
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I'm seeing enough anecdotal feedback on Privi Partisan ( or whatever it's called ) to call it a pattern and to avoid it. Dramatically irregular loadings. My Privi match shoots 5 MOA out of a 1 MOA barrel and 10x glass. If that's their match, what's their ball like? I've also had two guns in to pull ruptured cases out. I don't know if it was GI or commercial. Too many other choices for me to mess with it, but YMMV.
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POF= Pakistan Ordnance Factory

Stay away from it, Some of the worst I've seen in age's. I had a FN 30-11 sniper rifle and tried the POF in it, Third round and the bullet split going through the flash hider as it uses the FN Mag 58 flash hider. It split in three pieces and one hit the wooden bench, One hit my arm softly and the other hit my range box, Luckily no harm to anything. But it is inconsistent at best.

Mark at ARS is spot on with all his descriptions with the ammo he said. PPU is garbage and a waste of your hard earned money.
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Old March 06, 2019, 23:16   #11
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Ive had two magazines ruined by shooting Israeli ammunition in an FAL. Nothing like a face full of burning powder. Id avoid it unless its the last product on earth.
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Old March 06, 2019, 23:57   #12
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I generally recommend avoiding ammo from places that still shit in their drinking water.
I whole heartedly believe this statement to be true. I have avoided buying POF, Indian & Cavim ammo for all of these years.
When I had my Izzy HB I shot Port & Radway Green with good results.

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Any NATO spec is fine. Some has performed statistically better than others. What comes to mind is German DAG and Spanish Santa-Barbara. But my overall experience with the Izzy FALO is to keep your expectations in line with practical accuracy for the time period. 3-4 MOA is typical. 2 MOA is outstanding. There was another surplus that did really well and I read about it just a few weeks ago on here, but now I don't remember what it was. Argy maybe?

I generally recommend avoiding ammo from places that still shit in their drinking water.

generally good
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Santa Barbara
DAG
Hert
Brit RG
Aussie
Malay - some light primer strikes
Port FMP
Port FMN
RSA - some light primer strikes in FAL, no problem with HK
Izzy - lots of issues with the Tz 80 flame cutting cases, but ran fine in my 1919
USGI

Avoid
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Privi
all steel cased esp Tula except maybe chinese
Cavim
Indian
some others that I can't recall right now.


Ref. last sentence. I remember going into villages and finding water holes in the hooches with fish in these holes along with shit from the people living there. Their way of feeding the fish they were getting ready to eat. Nothing to do with ammo but i do like Radway Green really well in FALs
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Old March 07, 2019, 20:35   #14
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I've gone through at least 4k rounds of Privi white box and a thousand of the blue box. They are the same thing as far as I can tell except that the blue box costs more. Never had any issues with either and it is some of the better/consistent shooting ammo that I have used.
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Old March 07, 2019, 21:23   #15
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In 2007 I bought a bunch of PPU. No problems, very good accuracy ; usually under 3" @100yds. from a DSA type FAL. Haven't purchased any since then.
A friend hunts w/ a full dress M98, he likes the PPU soft points.
Privi has been making ammo since the 1920's' I think, and they export all over the globe. This is the first I've heard of any problems.
Maybe ten years ago I ran some of my buddy's PPU 75grn HpBT through an AR 1/9, he ran it through a Colt HBar 1/7. IIRCC, I pulled about 1.5" at 100 yds. open sights.
Several years ago, PRIVI factory had a serious fire. Maybe they lost their quality control,,,

Around the same time I bought 500 rnds. of POF. No problems w/ that, except it wouldn't group in a bushel basket. Gave the last 100 rnds. away.
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Old March 07, 2019, 22:12   #16
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I pulled some bullets from a few boxes of Privi to use the primed casings and 203gr. bullets for some subsonic loads. I weighed the powder charges from each out of curiosity. There was up to a 10 gr. deviation in powder weights out of the 40 rounds. Maybe that has something to do with the shit accuracy?
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Old March 08, 2019, 10:35   #17
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Interesting about the Privi.
I havent found a need to try any in 308,,,but I had an issue with the brass on some of their 303.
I had a few cracked necks, but more interesting was the fact all of the empty brass cases I cleaned and stored developed some nasty rust or corrosion spots.
Never have that issue with tens of thousands of other rounds from a slew of other manufacturers, so it was nothing to do with the processing,,it was IN the brass.
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I haven't had any problems with the brass. I just reload it for subsonic rounds and it gets neck sized, as it only goes through one Mosin I have. I'll keep an eye on that.
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Old March 08, 2019, 12:08   #19
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I use XM-80 by Federal. And ZQ turkish ball. 2-4" moa 100yds. There minute of chest guns out to 500yds. I have mine set at 4 for gas. New Falo kit on Imbel. No problem with PPU in many cals. 7.5 French,303,carbine and even 32,25 acp.
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