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Old December 06, 2018, 12:12   #1
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Catholic Church

The Local rag has published the names of all the priests in Central NYS, who have credible charges of child molestation.
Kind of like R. Kelley.

https://www.syracuse.com/news/index....e_priests.html

The list includes most of the most famous Priests in that Diocese, men who conducted most weddings, funerals, baptisms for most parishioners in the Diocese over the last 50 years.

Rochester did the same, but the list is incomplete.
https://www.whec.com/news/rochester-...awyer/4939145/

Buffalo Diocese
https://www.wkbw.com/news/buffalo-ca...f-sexual-abuse

Other Dioceses are under subpoena by the State, but the lists are growing. The Pope is trying to supress it all. What will happen when all the states get going?

Is it the end of the Catholics church as the soothsayers have been predicting?

Pennsylvania lead the way, and it is an issue that is so way over the top that the silence is deafening, despite the subpoenas that will reveal a conspiracy. I am sure that the powers that be are trying to end the investigations, citing the 1st amendment.

It is because the LGBT homosexual lobby has the politicians frightened that they will lose votes, that the laws are not being applied, citing the 1st amendment. Even now it is slow going.
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"Is this the end of the Catholic Church as the soothsayers have been predicting?"
Roman Catholicism is the religious wing of the latter days (today) Mystery Babylon System. The False Prophet Francis will combine Islam and all religions into a One World Religion ruled by the Antichrist.

The answer to the above question is YES.
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People really have short memories and as to the why we have queers in the church molesting kids. No since in refreshing those days that aids drove the queers political and they infiltrated the church to destroy it because you guys that hate the Catholics could care less. You would just as soon see the church destroyed and it is under fire from inside and out.
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People really have short memories and as to the why we have queers in the church molesting kids. No since in refreshing those days that aids drove the queers political and they infiltrated the church to destroy it because you guys that hate the Catholics could care less. You would just as soon see the church destroyed and it is under fire from inside and out.
Jim that was more than a millennium ago when the Vatican hosted orgies. Then the pope (Pius was it? IIRC in 1012 but Iím going on memory) banned the priesthood from marriage. One would think this would have predictable implications.

The fact that the church has consistently and repeatedly tried to suppress and hide all this is understandable but unacceptable and is one reason I will have nothing to do with the church.

Damage control strategies are to bury negative events but if it leaks you open the door and fix the problem. Continued denial and negligence never works. Best thing the church could do is purge then allow married priests. It is the only path to survival.
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I love the people that are caught up in Catholicism, Jim. My neighbor is a lifelong catholic, a smart man and a great family and he knows something just isn't right. As the Roman religion spirals farther into the abyss it will become much more clear what it's purpose is for. All religions are under this black cloud now. I read today that 50% of preachers" from all denominations are hooked on pornography. Obama and Francis are the destroyers to bring on the One World Government. One Government and One Religion to control the masses. The RFID chip will unite all people into this giant "Hive" controlled by a central station. The smart card that most are using now has a chip similar to the one that will be inserted into the right hand or forehead of all people to buy and sell. It is a test system until the time is right and many have already taken it. The inserted chip will change a persons chemical, spiritual being and will no longer be fully human. The powers that be know this is the only way for complete subjugation of a world populace and the technology is here today to bring it to fruition.
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Jim that was more than a millennium ago when the Vatican hosted orgies. Then the pope (Pius was it? IIRC in 1012 but Iím going on memory) banned the priesthood from marriage. One would think this would have predictable implications.

The fact that the church has consistently and repeatedly tried to suppress and hide all this is understandable but unacceptable and is one reason I will have nothing to do with the church.

Damage control strategies are to bury negative events but if it leaks you open the door and fix the problem. Continued denial and negligence never works. Best thing the church could do is purge then allow married priests. It is the only path to survival.
I am not saying there isn't a problem, there is a huge problem and the church can't unified in a way to solve it. Once the queer cancer got into the hierarchy it's nearly killed the body. When the queers didn't get support from the church they decided to infiltrate it and bring it down. No man who loves god and believes his words from the Bible could use his position in the church to hurt others and the church.

Frankly put these are godless mfrs that worked there way into the church to fill their own lust and destroy our church. Of course the guys doing it are going to try and hide it so it hurts the church even worse. The lbgt whatever is a power now and they are showing how much power they have. When they were not accepted then they bring it down.
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The Catholic church has been under attack by Beelzebub from within for a long time. Its really ramped up since John Paul IIs death. Between covering up for the kiddie touchers and the Jesuit support for murderous communist regimes throughout the world its all but over. When Pope Guevarra was appointed the writing was on the wall. Shame too, because growing up Irish Catholic under a Russian grandmother who was also very devout, I know a lot of good people who recite the Lords Prayer daily.
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The Catholic Church in the US was probably at the peak of it's power in the 1940's-1960's. Francis Spellman, the Archbishop of NY at the time had more influence than most congressmen and senators. But the good Francis had a little secret that was controllable back then but no more. The Catholic Church's unsavory underbelly is now out there to haunt them and for all to see. Like a once successful and iconic corporation that has made too many bad decisions, the CC is heading towards oblivion.
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So Jim it was the "queers" alone that were also molesting young girls, that somehow seems incongruent. What you have is men and women who are put in positions of power over people abusing that power to satisfy their own desires (mostly desires, albeit twisted, you and I and most humans have), vows of celibacy must fight one of the very core drives of the human species.

This is an issue as much as what has been tentatively "permitted" via inaction, obfuscation and out and out lies from the hierarchy of both the Catholic and Anglican Churches, as what has driven the individual. Of course many large well known organisations are also as guilty of similar behaviour, Salvation Army, Barnados, Jehovahs, Happy Clappers (Pentecostal and Baptist groups), various Jewish Schools here as well. I can throw in Tennis Australia, Swimming Australia, Scouts, Girl Guides, Volunteer Railway Restoration Groups, all have been found wanting.
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What this all boils down to is that it just ain't natural for grown men and women to go without sex. Simple solution is to let the priests and nuns get married,,or,,,,keep a couple of hookers on staff at each church.
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One of those on the Syracuse list is, "Thomas F. Guyder".
He died in 1989 at age 95.

That puts his peak years of molestation, from 1915, to say about 1959.

He was probably very familiar with the older Catholic Priests when he was ordained, and who started theirown molestations in the mid to late 1800's, and showed him the "way" to molest the boys and girls.

This is historical in scope, back to the establishment of the Catholic Church in America.

I used to work with Guyder's Nephew, and I remember the funeral well, as it was a big deal at the time in Syracuse.

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good things that is only a Catholic Church disease; it would never happen on Protestant Churches.
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One of those on the Syracuse list is, "Thomas F. Guyder".
He died in 1989 at age 95.

That puts his peak years of molestation, from 1915 to say 1959.

He was probably very familiar with the older Catholic Priests when he was ordained and who started their molestations in the mid to late 1800's, and showed him the "way" to molest.

This is historical in scope, back to the establishment of the Catholic Church in America.

I used to work with Guyder's Nephew, and I remember the funeral well as it was a big deal at the time in Syracuse.
Its interesting to accuse those that are long dead, they can't defend themselves and like Kavenaugh how could you defend yourself if they are telling lies. Yes there are queer child molesters in the church and it was heavily infiltrated starting with the aids epidemic but there are also people with a political agenda that will lie about a good priest in order to hurt the church. Just like Ford put up her lies on Kavanaugh for politics so will the queers lie.
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I know most here on the files are skeptical that the horrors described in the Book of Revelation could come true as it seems impossible to the human mind. The plagues and judgements described go against the laws of physics so it is normal that humans will disregard the coming storm. The Catholic Church is morphing into one of the main characters described in Revelation and it's leader, the False Prophet, will be in cahoots with the fabled Antichrist. The Pope and Catholic hierarchy have a direct connection to CERN (the Large Hadron Collider) for the very reason to make contact with demonic entities from the bottomless pit that CERN has opened. CERN's famous logo is 3 intertwined sixes or 666 and a large statue of SHIVA, the Goddess of destruction, stands at it's headquarters. This machine, the largest machine ever built by man, sits on the site of the ancient temple of Apollo. Revelation 9:11 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew tongue is Abaddon but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Google has joined CERN to combine Artificial Intelligence with this device to summon demons. Going from the smallest of sub-atomic particles to the vastness of the Universe--- The Vatican Observatory Research Group operate the Large Binocular Telescope called LUCIFER. These are not coincidences but a conspiracy that will soon be thrust upon the human race. My advice is to study CERN and you will find it is more than just science--it was built for a far more insidious reason.
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This is why i don't go to church anymore, any #ssh0l3 can wake up one morning and say "god sent me" to .........i think half of them a liars are insult the the Gospel of christ, Most of them are there for fame and to enrich themselves, Jesus never had Money bug men of god these days are filthy rich while there are poor people all over the world. well i stay are home and pray to God and i give to the needy, i person like me and my family can never be in the mix of all this nonsense.
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Doesn't matter what denomination any of us might describe ourselves as, or any denomination at all. Almost all of them now are spiritually corrupt. Much of their dogma and rote ritual isn't even scriptural. Catholicism itself is rife with paganism straight out of the Imperial Roman Empire and Emperor Constantine, who continued to worship the sun god as well as Christ up until his death.

With so much confusion and corruption coming out of denominations today, there isn't any wonder so many people are spiritually barren.
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Doesn't matter what denomination any of us might describe ourselves as, or any denomination at all. Almost all of them now are spiritually corrupt. Much of their dogma and rote ritual isn't even scriptural. Catholicism itself is rife with paganism straight out of the Imperial Roman Empire and Emperor Constantine, who continued to worship the sun god as well as Christ up until his death.

With so much confusion and corruption coming out of denominations today, there isn't any wonder so many people are spiritually barren.
It is obvious to most that study history, the Church Age is at it's last breath of life. After the Church Age comes Judgement. Christmas 2018 is far removed from Christmas of years past. It is now hated by half the population with that half supporting snake and demon sculptures to replace nativity scenes. God is being charged by some for impregnating Mary against her wishes (women's rights). Islam is venerated by the left even tho its author was an historical pedophile and murderer. Good is evil and evil is good to the modern populace. A recipe for disaster.
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It is obvious to most that study history, the Church Age is at it's last breath of life. After the Church Age comes Judgement. Christmas 2018 is far removed from Christmas of years past. It is now hated by half the population with that half supporting snake and demon sculptures to replace nativity scenes. God is being charged by some for impregnating Mary against her wishes (women's rights). Islam is venerated by the left even tho its author was an historical pedophile and murderer. Good is evil and evil is good to the modern populace. A recipe for disaster.
All has been foretold.
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I know most here on the files are skeptical that the horrors described in the Book of Revelation could come true as it seems impossible to the human mind. The plagues and judgements described go against the laws of physics so it is normal that humans will disregard the coming storm. The Catholic Church is morphing into one of the main characters described in Revelation and it's leader, the False Prophet, will be in cahoots with the fabled Antichrist. The Pope and Catholic hierarchy have a direct connection to CERN (the Large Hadron Collider) for the very reason to make contact with demonic entities from the bottomless pit that CERN has opened. CERN's famous logo is 3 intertwined sixes or 666 and a large statue of SHIVA, the Goddess of destruction, stands at it's headquarters. This machine, the largest machine ever built by man, sits on the site of the ancient temple of Apollo. Revelation 9:11 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew tongue is Abaddon but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Google has joined CERN to combine Artificial Intelligence with this device to summon demons. Going from the smallest of sub-atomic particles to the vastness of the Universe--- The Vatican Observatory Research Group operate the Large Binocular Telescope called LUCIFER. These are not coincidences but a conspiracy that will soon be thrust upon the human race. My advice is to study CERN and you will find it is more than just science--it was built for a far more insidious reason.
Man, that was entertaining as all out. What a great plot for a movie.
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Man, that was entertaining as all out. What a great plot for a movie.
You are very welcome. Revelation will make all sci-fi movies look like child's play especially the ending. People worry about nukes and warfare with Russia and China but some of the really scary stuff is tiny little things that float in the air and enter the body. Ebola has just spread to a major city in the Congo which is a very bad thing. A man died in San Francisco today while coughing up a blood clot shaped like a lung passage! Stay safe.
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Actually he died a week after coughing up that clot...he already had a heart condition of course.
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Actually he died a week after coughing up that clot...he already had a heart condition of course.
Hey--come on Andy--your ruining the fear factor. lol
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The lists of Priests that the Catholic Church is releasing, ARE OF CREDIBLE AND FACTUAL, EXTENSIVE, records and cases of molestations that the Church handled.

Note that these lists are not of criminal convictions, but just the Church Dioceses own records of extensive complaints of molestations.

THESE CHURCH RECORDS WERE HIDDEN AWAY FOR DECADES................and just released.


The Church paid out on all of them in the past; and each of those listed, was removed from the Priesthood, prior to death, based upon the huge records each had compiled over their carreers, like Guyder, who was a monster.

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Too bad it wasnt shaped like Elvis. Then we'd really know the end was nigh.What are you, David Cronenberg now?

As a Christian myself (yes a very flawed one at that), I'm curious why you think why the Lord or old uncle scratch need a bunch of piddly humans to build them a vortex in Switzerland (of all places) to usher in the End Times?
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Doesn't matter what denomination any of us might describe ourselves as, or any denomination at all. Almost all of them now are spiritually corrupt. Much of their dogma and rote ritual isn't even scriptural. Catholicism itself is rife with paganism straight out of the Imperial Roman Empire and Emperor Constantine, who continued to worship the sun god as well as Christ up until his death.

With so much confusion and corruption coming out of denominations today, there isn't any wonder so many people are spiritually barren.
The Roman Church of Constantine...

The Roman Catholic Church was founded by the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 313 A.D.??? That is what some anti-Catholics will tell you.
When you ask them for "proof" of what they say, they will refer to the "Edict of Milan" issued by Emperor Constantine in 313 A.D. This false charge is riddled with errors. Let us examine them one at a time... 1. They use faulty reasoning by saying that since the Catholic Church is called the "Roman Catholic Church", it must have been founded by a Roman Emperor, namely Constantine. They point to the "Edict of Milan", issued in 313 A.D., as "proof". Now if anyone would just read the "Edict" for themselves, they would find that it merely gave Christianity the freedom to practice the faith openly and with no fear of persecution from the Romans. After all, for centuries Christians were persecuted mercilessly by the Romans from the very beginning. It was the Romans who nailed Jesus Christ to the cross and it was a Roman soldier who thrust a spear into His side. Do you recall the Roman Circus and all of those hungry lions?
Nothing at all is said in the "Edict" about Constantine founding the "Catholic Church", which is not even mentioned by name in the document, and the persons who perpetrate this false charge cannot provide any other genuine historical document which supports it. 2. Their second error is the fact that the term,"Roman Catholic", was not even coined until about 1200 years later in the 16th century, by Protestant reformers, especially Anglicans, because they wanted to retain the name "Catholic" for themselves. 3. Their third error is their failure to read, and to accept, the documents of the Church Fathers and other Church writers. Hundreds of these documents clearly contain the words "Catholic Church", and are dated from 107 A.D.. That date is hundreds of years before Constantine's "Edict" was issued. Genuine historical writings in which the words "Catholic Church" appear, are in every century from 107, up to and beyond the Reformation, and to this very day.
The sheer volume of these genuine historical documents is so overwhelming, that it is a continuity that cannot be denied.
Saint Augustine alone, mentioned the Catholic Church by name over 300 times in his writings. Just to mention a few more, so did Saint Athanasius and Saint Jerome mentioned the Catholic Church by name many times. These are just three examples out of scores of early authors. 4. Their fourth error is in trying to show that the "Catholic Church", and the "Roman Catholic Church", are two different Churches, when in fact they are one and the same. 5. Their fifth error is their interpretation of, for example, the Russian Catholic Church, the Ukrainian Catholic Church, etc. They try to show divisions such as Roman, Russian, Ukrainian etc. They fail to realize that there are many Catholics in these, and many other countries, and they are not separate Catholic Churches, but are united to the one Holy Catholic Church. The names just distinguish them from the Orthodox Churches in those countries. It would be proper to say, "the Catholic Church in Russia, the Catholic Church in Ukraine", etc.. 6. Their sixth error is tagged to the first error in that anti-Catholics try to peg the Catholic Church as an "apostate"* or a "Pagan Church", since they charge that it "was founded" by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine. If the detractors insist on this false charge, then they will have to admit that the very Bible which they all use, came from that same "apostate" or "pagan" Church, and it was provided by that Church scores of years after Constantine died.

*Calling the Catholic Church an "apostate Church" is tantamount to calling Jesus Christ a liar
(1John 5:10), for Jesus promised in Matthew 28:20, that He would be with His Church every day in every century until the end of time, and with no gaps. He also promised that the Holy Spirit would be with His Church forever, in John 14:16-17, and that His Church is the final authority, in
Matthew 18:17, and that He would not orphan His Church, in John 14:18.
Saint Paul wrote in Ephesians that, "Just as Christ is head of the Church, being Himself savior of the body." Ephesians 5:21
Now who or what is the Body of Christ? It is His Church. Ephesians 1:22-23
So since Jesus Christ is the Savior of His Church, could it ever become an "apostate Church"?
Saint Paul also said that it is the Church which is the "pillar and foundation of the truth",
in 1Timothy 3:15. He did not say it was the Bible.
So someone please tell me then, how the Church which Jesus Christ founded could ever apostatize? 7. Their seventh error is in failing to read the history of Constantine (285-337) which is quite interesting, as he was a pagan Roman Emperor who was baptized into the Catholic Church just before he died in 337. If he had founded the Catholic Church in 313 as some claim, then why did he wait until 337 before joining it? How could he have founded a Church to which he did not belong? How could a non-baptized pagan found a Christian Church? Who would join it?
His mother was Saint Helena who journeyed to the Holy Land in search of the true Cross of Christ. She found it in a miraculous way, but that in itself is yet another interesting story.

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Too bad it wasnt shaped like Elvis. Then we'd really know the end was nigh.What are you, David Cronenberg now?

As a Christian myself (yes a very flawed one at that), I'm curious why you think why the Lord or old uncle scratch need a bunch of piddly humans to build them a vortex in Switzerland (of all places) to usher in the End Times?
Impala--piddly humans are made in the image of God whether you believe that or not. Humans have free will so it is humans that destroy themselves or bring on their own judgement by their own evil intentions and deeds. God is blameless. You need to study CERN. Why on earth would humans give CERN the name 666 right out of the Book of Revelation? Why would CERN have a large statue of Shiva (Goddess of Destruction), it's mascot, at it's headquarters? Why does CERN hold demonic human plays and rituals at it's headquarters on the very site of the ancient Temple of Apollo? These are just the easy questions about CERN that I am sure you have a good answer for? What CERN is looking for and finding is even more disturbing. Now that CERN and Google have joined forces, consider the quote from Elon Musk "With Artificial Intelligence we are summoning the demon". Maybe he doesn't know how truthful his statement is but time will prove it true. As a Christian it is your duty to study and be watchful for the return of Christ and know that time is getting short.
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Scandals Within the Catholic Church...

Why are there so many scandals within the Catholic Church? Sexual misconduct charges brought against Catholic priests have generated big media headlines and the detractors and haters of the Catholic Church are having a field day, temporarily. I said "temporarily" because of the record of survivability of the Catholic Church for almost two millennia, and of the "person" who is its head.
But before continuing, let us put this particular scandal into its proper context.

1. The Catholic Church is more than four times as large as all of non-Catholic Christianity combined. Since 1950 the Church in the United States has had 109,694 priests. During that time period of over fifty years, 4392 (as reported in February 2004) were accused of molesting minors, or about four percent. Remember, that number is the total number of those charged and not the number of those found guilty. We can not be so naive as to ignore the fact that many of those are false charges and were brought about by greed in hopes of gaining a monetary settlement. We remember the person who falsely accused the Archbishop of Chicago and who later dropped the charge, saying that he had lied. Keep in mind that those allegedly charged with pedophilia are a small minority of the total charged.
Keep in mind also that these figures did not come about all at once recently, but are spread out as far back as 1950, over 50 years ago. Some of the accused priests were discharged by the Church decades ago and hundreds of others have since passed away, making any defense in their behalf an impossibility.

Remember, we could not have had Jesus Christ as a Savior without also having a Judas to betray Him.

2. These supposed sexual abuse problems are not a Catholic clergy monopoly, as the guilty are in all non-Catholic Christian denominations as well. Recent figures have shown that an average of 3500 religious in non-Catholic sects are charged similarly every year. What with tens of thousands of individual Christian sects in the world today, these abuses do not receive the attention given to the Catholic Church by the media.
Some of the tens of thousands of non-Catholic sects openly acknowledge that they "ordain" homosexual ministers. How many of those would you suppose are pedophiles?
However, it is the Catholic Church which has always been the "bulls-eye" of the target of detractors since its very beginning almost 2000 years ago. The liberal media have a tendency not to sensationalize scandals in Protestantism and they do just the reverse for the Catholic Church. They have put the Catholic Church under a microscope, looking for any possible aberration which they take great pride in blowing all out of proportion.

Didn't Jesus say, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone..."?
John 8:7

3. From the figures I have listed above, the great majority of Catholic priests who are not part of this scandal, are looked upon as guilty until proven innocent, instead of the other way around as it is in the secular world. What kind of compassion for the great majority of innocent priests is espoused by the liberal media, and by those individual non-Catholics who enjoy attacking the Catholic Church?
It appears that all Catholic priests are being treated with suspicion. Is that being Christ-like?
Is this fair to the innocent who are the vast majority?

4. Do we condemn all executives of large corporations because of the alleged actions of those of a few? Do we condemn all of Islam because of the actions of some militants?

5. Do we condemn Peter because of Judas?

6. Jesus Himself sat at table with sinners. That is a sign that all are welcome to His table.
"And as he sat at table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and came and sat down with Jesus and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" But when he heard it, he said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."
Matthew 9:10-13
The Catholic Church is, and has always been a hospital for sinners, and not a hotel for saints (Mark 2:17). The visible Catholic Church is populated by fallible human beings, and all have sinned.
Romans 3:23,5:12.
Didn't Saint John say, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us"?
1John 1:10
The purpose of the Catholic Church is to make saints in heaven out of sinners on earth.
Contrast that with some Protestant sects who claim, "once saved always saved". That statement really means, "we can sin as much as we want because we are already saved". If anyone claims that they are saved in this life, aren't they really proclaiming themselves as being saints already?

7. Those who relish attacking the Catholic Church are guilty of all of the following:

A. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone..."?
John 8:7

B. "Do not be a stumbling block to Jews and to Greeks and to the Church of God..."
1Corinthians 10:32

C. "I am the least of the Apostles, and am not worthy to be called an Apostle, because I persecuted the Church of God."
1Corinthians 15:9

D. "But these people, like irrational animals born by nature for capture and destruction,
revile things that they do not understand, and in their destruction they will also be destroyed."
2Peter 2:12

E. "Fear not, for I am with thee: turn not aside, for I am your GOD. I have strengthened thee,
and have helped thee, and the right hand of My Just One hath upheld thee*.
Behold all that fight against thee** shall be confounded*** and ashamed,
as they shall be as nothing****, and the men shall perish that strive against thee."
Isaiah 41:10-11
*The "Just One" has upheld His Church every day in every century for almost 2000 years.
Matthew 28:20.
**These are the attackers of the Catholic Church, past, present, and future, until the end of time.
***Split into more than 37,000 pieces as Protestantism is today, with more pieces added weekly.
****Psalms 127:1
So why are there so many scandals in the Catholic Church?
Simply because Holy Scripture tells us that there will be scandals within the only Church which Jesus Christ founded. If there were no scandals, then Holy Scripture would be in error, would it not? So how can anyone become upset when scandals do arise within the Church?

"Woe to the world because of scandals! For it must needs be that scandals come, but woe to the man through whom scandal does come!"
Matthew 18:7

And He said to His disciples, "It is impossible that scandals should not come; but woe to him through whom they come."
Luke 17:1"

In the time that Jesus walked the earth, there was the greatest human scandalizer of all time, Judas. Judas was one of twelve chosen by Jesus Christ Himself, so what was the scandal rate among Christ's closest disciples? It was about 8 1/2 %.

"From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force."
Matthew 11:12

"Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets."
Luke 6:26"

"Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you."
Matthew 5:11-12
A comparison between Jesus Christ and His Mystical Body. He is the head and His Church is His body (Ephesians 1:22-23). You cannot separate the head from the body. They are one.
What happens to the one, must also happen to the other.
Reference to Jesus Christ is the first of the lines following, and to His Body, the Catholic Church, the second.

They rebelled against His Authority.
They rebel against its Authority. 2Peter 2:10

They said Crucify Him, Matthew 27:23.
Heretics have been trying to crucify it for 2000 years.

He is called Beelzebub, Matthew 10:25.
They call it the Church of Satan.

They said he is a false messiah, Luke 22:70-71.
They say it is a false church.

He called Himself the Son of GOD.
It claims it was founded by GOD, Matthew 16:18.

He called Himself Truth, John 14:6.
It claims to be infallible, 1Timothy 3:15.

He called Himself King, John 18:37.
It says it is the only true Church, Matthew 16:18.

He could not sin.
It has no spot or wrinkle, Ephesians 5:27.

He was not believed by many, Luke 22:67.
It is not believed by many.

He was denied by many, Luke 22:57-60.
It is denied by many.

He was derided, not being understood.
It is derided, not being understood, 2Peter 2:12.

Not understanding Him, they walked away, John 6:66.
Not understanding it, they walked away.

He had many false accusers, Mark 14:56-59.
It has many false accusers.

He was mocked, Luke 23:35-37.
It is mocked.

He was scandalized, Luke 17:1-2.
It is scandalized.

He was hated without a cause, John 15:18-25.
It is hated without a cause.

His accuser, Judas, died, Matthew 27:5.
Its accusers die, but still, the Church lives on to bury its accusers.

His enemies would stumble and fall, John 18:6.
Its enemies stumble and fall.

We have no king but Caesar, John 19:15.
We have no need of it, as we have the Bible.

Can anything good come out of Nazareth? John 1:46.
Can anything good come from Rome?

They cried out, "Not this one but Barabbas", John 15:18-25.
It is also rejected by the world.

He bore His Cross, John 19:17.
It bears a cross also, the cross of persecution for almost 2000 years.

He died on the Cross, John 19:30.
It has thousands of martyrs, many on crosses. "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."
John 15:18-19
The Catholic Church is certainly not of the world, for it is:

A City set on a Mountain, Matthew 5:14.
A Dwelling Place for GOD, Ephesians 2:22.
A Spiritual House, 1Peter 2:5.
GOD's Building, 1Corinthians 3:9.
Mount Zion, Psalms 2:6, Micah 4:7, Hebrews 12:22.
My Church, Matthew 16:18.
Our Mother, Galatians 4:26.
The Bride of Christ, Joel 2:16, John 3:29, Revelation 21:2.
The Body of Christ, Ephesians 1:22-23, Colossians 1:24.
The Church of GOD, Acts 20:28.
The Church of the Firstborn, Hebrews 12:23.
The City of the Living GOD, Hebrews 12:22.
The City of Truth, Zechariah 8:3.
The Congregation of Saints, Psalms 149:1.
The Daughter of the King, Psalms 45:13.
The dispenser of the Wisdom of GOD, Ephesians 3:7-11.
The final authority of GOD on earth, Matthew 18:15-18.
The Fold of Christ, John 10:16.
The Heavenly Jerusalem, Galatians 4:26.
The Holy City, Revelation 21:2.
The Holy Mountain, Zechariah 8:3.
The House of Christ, Hebrews 3:6.
The House of GOD, 1Timothy 3:15, Hebrews 10:21.
The Household of GOD, Ephesians 2:19.
The Kingdom of GOD, Luke 4:43.
The Kingdom of Heaven, Matthew 13:31.
The Lamb's Spouse, Revelation 19:7,21:9
The New Jerusalem, Isaiah 65:18, Revelation 3:12,21:2.
The Pillar and Foundation of Truth, 1Timothy 3:15

Since the Catholic Church is the Body of Christ, it must experience the same passion as He did. He was persecuted and calumnized unjustly, and so must His Church suffer the same trials.
The persecutors and calumnizers should realize that when they attack the Catholic Church, they are really attacking its founder, Jesus Christ Himself.
In rejecting His Church, they are in fact, rejecting Him.

"So now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone. For if this plan or work, is of men, it will be overthrown; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow it. Else perhaps you may find yourselves fighting even against God."
Acts 5:38-39
If only the attackers and detractors of the Catholic Church would stop ignoring these verses and heed the very important message they present. They might then notice that no man-made institution could possibly have lasted for 2000 years, while at the same time having to endure the unending attacks of constant slings and arrows from countless heretics and from all quarters.
Now you please tell me, just who is protecting the Catholic Church?

Almost 2000 years later, His ONE and ONLY Church lives and is stronger than ever.

No matter how hard the persecutors try, His Kingdom will last forever,
Daniel 7:14, Hebrews 1:8.
His Church will last until the end of the world as promised by Him in Matthew 28:20.
Anyone who does not believe what He has promised has called Him a liar.

"BEHOLD, I HAVE GIVEN YOU POWER TO TREAD UPON SERPENTS AND SCORPIONS,
AND OVER ALL THE MIGHT OF THE ENEMY; AND NOTHING SHALL HURT YOU."
Luke 10:19
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The Roman Church of Constantine...

The Roman Catholic Church was founded by the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 313 A.D.??? That is what some anti-Catholics will tell you.
When you ask them for "proof" of what they say, they will refer to the "Edict of Milan" issued by Emperor Constantine in 313 A.D. This false charge is riddled with errors. Let us examine them one at a time... 1. They use faulty reasoning by saying that since the Catholic Church is called the "Roman Catholic Church", it must have been founded by a Roman Emperor, namely Constantine. They point to the "Edict of Milan", issued in 313 A.D., as "proof". Now if anyone would just read the "Edict" for themselves, they would find that it merely gave Christianity the freedom to practice the faith openly and with no fear of persecution from the Romans. After all, for centuries Christians were persecuted mercilessly by the Romans from the very beginning. It was the Romans who nailed Jesus Christ to the cross and it was a Roman soldier who thrust a spear into His side. Do you recall the Roman Circus and all of those hungry lions?
Nothing at all is said in the "Edict" about Constantine founding the "Catholic Church", which is not even mentioned by name in the document, and the persons who perpetrate this false charge cannot provide any other genuine historical document which supports it. 2. Their second error is the fact that the term,"Roman Catholic", was not even coined until about 1200 years later in the 16th century, by Protestant reformers, especially Anglicans, because they wanted to retain the name "Catholic" for themselves. 3. Their third error is their failure to read, and to accept, the documents of the Church Fathers and other Church writers. Hundreds of these documents clearly contain the words "Catholic Church", and are dated from 107 A.D.. That date is hundreds of years before Constantine's "Edict" was issued. Genuine historical writings in which the words "Catholic Church" appear, are in every century from 107, up to and beyond the Reformation, and to this very day.
The sheer volume of these genuine historical documents is so overwhelming, that it is a continuity that cannot be denied.
Saint Augustine alone, mentioned the Catholic Church by name over 300 times in his writings. Just to mention a few more, so did Saint Athanasius and Saint Jerome mentioned the Catholic Church by name many times. These are just three examples out of scores of early authors. 4. Their fourth error is in trying to show that the "Catholic Church", and the "Roman Catholic Church", are two different Churches, when in fact they are one and the same. 5. Their fifth error is their interpretation of, for example, the Russian Catholic Church, the Ukrainian Catholic Church, etc. They try to show divisions such as Roman, Russian, Ukrainian etc. They fail to realize that there are many Catholics in these, and many other countries, and they are not separate Catholic Churches, but are united to the one Holy Catholic Church. The names just distinguish them from the Orthodox Churches in those countries. It would be proper to say, "the Catholic Church in Russia, the Catholic Church in Ukraine", etc.. 6. Their sixth error is tagged to the first error in that anti-Catholics try to peg the Catholic Church as an "apostate"* or a "Pagan Church", since they charge that it "was founded" by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine. If the detractors insist on this false charge, then they will have to admit that the very Bible which they all use, came from that same "apostate" or "pagan" Church, and it was provided by that Church scores of years after Constantine died.

*Calling the Catholic Church an "apostate Church" is tantamount to calling Jesus Christ a liar
(1John 5:10), for Jesus promised in Matthew 28:20, that He would be with His Church every day in every century until the end of time, and with no gaps. He also promised that the Holy Spirit would be with His Church forever, in John 14:16-17, and that His Church is the final authority, in
Matthew 18:17, and that He would not orphan His Church, in John 14:18.
Saint Paul wrote in Ephesians that, "Just as Christ is head of the Church, being Himself savior of the body." Ephesians 5:21
Now who or what is the Body of Christ? It is His Church. Ephesians 1:22-23
So since Jesus Christ is the Savior of His Church, could it ever become an "apostate Church"?
Saint Paul also said that it is the Church which is the "pillar and foundation of the truth",
in 1Timothy 3:15. He did not say it was the Bible.
So someone please tell me then, how the Church which Jesus Christ founded could ever apostatize? 7. Their seventh error is in failing to read the history of Constantine (285-337) which is quite interesting, as he was a pagan Roman Emperor who was baptized into the Catholic Church just before he died in 337. If he had founded the Catholic Church in 313 as some claim, then why did he wait until 337 before joining it? How could he have founded a Church to which he did not belong? How could a non-baptized pagan found a Christian Church? Who would join it?
His mother was Saint Helena who journeyed to the Holy Land in search of the true Cross of Christ. She found it in a miraculous way, but that in itself is yet another interesting story.

Written by Bob Stanley, July 6, 2001
Updated September 2, 2001
"church" is NOT a denomination, a building, or some guy wearing a dress and a beanie wanting you to believe you must have some intercessor between you and Christ. The church are the believers... period. We believers are our own priests. Just because some guy wrote what you pasted here doesn't mean anything. Emperor Constantine kicked off the Roman Catholic Church. Read history!
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God does not lie or people wouldn't worship him. His word in the beginning is just as true today. He doesn't change his mind and would never turn on the faithful. His promise is real and eternal to those who keep the faith. Good luck on your journey gents.
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Both Whydah and Bawana jim are correct in their post's. It is Gods Word--the Holy Bible that convict's men's hearts to see the truth and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Institutions are corruptible.

MERRY CHRISTMAS -----a time to celebrate JESUS CHRIST--GOD in the FLESH who is the only One that can save a man's soul from damnation and Hell, meant for Satan and his angels. sigh---too bad the message is lost to most this Christmas holiday.
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FIFY. And that applies to ALL writings.




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History is constantly being revised as new discoveries are made and new information becomes available.
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"church" is NOT a denomination, a building, or some guy wearing a dress and a beanie wanting you to believe you must have some intercessor between you and Christ. The church are the believers... period. We believers are our own priests. Just because some guy wrote what you pasted here doesn't mean anything. Emperor Constantine kicked off the Roman Catholic Church. Read history!
I have. Waiting for you to do some. I gave you some to read here. Want entire books? I have recommendations. ��
Thanks
By the way..Catholic Church is not a denomination. ��

"Just because some guy wrote what you pasted here doesn't mean anything"

If it's historically accurate it means something. If you want to deny that and argue with historians then that's on you.

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Yeah, people said the same thing about that commie Oppenheimer when he quoted Hindu scripture during the Trinity test in the New Mexico desert. That the end was nigh and the bomb was the instrument that would start the big kerfuffle that would climax out at Har Megiddo. Frankly, A-rabs and communists with nuclear weapons scare me a hell of a lot more than a bunch of European eggheads who cant get laid jerking around with quantum physics in some underground rat maze.

Mark 13:34 and Mathew 24:36 tell me what I already know. God is perfect and does not play games. He does not leave you "clues" about the End Times so you can stop all yer sinnin' and get ready at the last minute. What would be the point of that?.
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The facts are in the newspapers all around you. It is the justice system going after the Church in every state to obtain the church's own records.


The little boy fuckers are going to prison, no matter what history is espoused.

Emperor Constantine called the Council of Nicea in 325 Ad, and established the modern Church for all time.

Constantinople, todays "Istanbul" was the seat of power until the Muslims too the city, and Rome, by default with walls and guards, became the seat of power.

"Pete the Hat" may have died in a Roman Coliseum along with "Paul the Rat", killer of Christians after Christ died, but that is just history, and neither of them or Jesus ever could have imagined what a degenerate place the Vatican would become, with ROYALTY, vestments, gold, tithing, theft, murder, degeneracy all in the name of Jesus.

The slaughter of millions of Native American slaves, mining gold for the church from 1500 on is legend.............plenty of those millions of dollars of blood soaked gold coins, bullion and jewelry, yet lies on the ocean bottom, forever tainted with the savagery of the murderous Priests who no doubt procreated with female slaves of the day. Plenty of that blood soaked gold is in the churches today. Why gold? Why not preach the gospel. Martin Luther saw the truth of it.




Child molestation, as an institutional practice, belies the truth of Christ and his father. I want to see those f&*^%$ hung in public and go to jail.

Let Catholicism clean up its act and employ non criminals. I am sure it would be a much better organization. Imagine being married by a child molestor, it is like being married by Hitler.
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Yeah, people said the same thing about that commie Oppenheimer when he quoted Hindu scripture during the Trinity test in the New Mexico desert. That the end was nigh and the bomb was the instrument that would start the big kerfuffle that would climax out at Har Megiddo. Frankly, A-rabs and communists with nuclear weapons scare me a hell of a lot more than a bunch of European eggheads who cant get laid jerking around with quantum physics in some underground rat maze.

Mark 13:34 and Mathew 24:36 tell me what I already know. God is perfect and does not play games. He does not leave you "clues" about the End Times so you can stop all yer sinnin' and get ready at the last minute. What would be the point of that?.
Your Oppenheimer defense is your ignorance and very telling that you have no argument except to scoff at what you believe to be the impossible that is happening at CERN and other entities that are part of the One World Government system that the Bible so accurately described. You cannot answer the questions that I outlined because they are of a spiritual nature that you cannot comprehend. Soon you will.
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