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Old March 25, 2019, 19:12   #1
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Exclamation Want to KEEP your BumpStock (for now)??????

3/25/2019 ALERT 1: This morning the U.S. DOJ filed brief arguing that Members of Firearms Policy Foundation who own/possess bump-stock-type devices are currently protected by the D.C. Circuit's administrative stay of the ATF's bumpstock ban Final Rule. To become a member and Join FPF please donate $1 or more at FightATF.com or JoinFPF.org

Key Case Filings & Events
2019-3-26: ATF Final Rule takes effect except for those individuals subject to stay orders and members of Firearms Policy Foundation, et al.
2019-3-25: Application for Emergency Stay from Circuit and Chief Justice John Roberts, U.S. Supreme Court (no. 18A964)
2019-3-25: D.C. Circuit Order on Emergency Motion
2019-3-25: Appellants' Reply in Support of Emergency Motion
2019-3-25: Government Respondents' Opposition to Emergency Motion
2019-3-24: Appellants' Emergency Joint Motion to Amend Stay Order



https://www.firearmspolicy.org/guedes-v-batfe
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Old March 25, 2019, 21:04   #2
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Old March 27, 2019, 10:16   #3
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Or does this just put one on another list to reach number of points to warrant a visit from some agency? Can stocks be installed while case in court? I prefer binary but hope this case wins as they will come after binary next. I can build a bumpfire stock on the fly with parts in console or toolbox of truck. Binary triggers would have to be melted like Autosears unless they allowed folk to Form 4 them. Could you imagine the backlog at ATF registering all the binary triggers out there...
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Old April 10, 2019, 19:21   #4
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I’ve been out of touch in the community but what is a binary?
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A binary trigger is a trigger that actuates the hammer on the pull stroke and then on the release. If you hold the trigger back, the rifle will only fire once. When the trigger is released, the rifle will fire again. Control of the trigger function is normally done by the selector. Safe is safe, Semi is one shot with each trigger pull, and Auto will activate the binary function.

Because the trigger activates the release of the hammer with each movement, the ATF determined they were not NFA devices.
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As we all know what used to be legal with the stroke of a pen becomes illegal under Trump.
One nut case with a binary trigger on a college campus and Binary trigger owners will become felons just like BS owners.
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A binary trigger is a trigger that actuates the hammer on the pull stroke and then on the release. If you hold the trigger back, the rifle will only fire once. When the trigger is released, the rifle will fire again. Control of the trigger function is normally done by the selector. Safe is safe, Semi is one shot with each trigger pull, and Auto will activate the binary function.

Because the trigger activates the release of the hammer with each movement, the ATF determined they were not NFA devices.
That seems dangerous at the very least?
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As we all know what used to be legal with the stroke of a pen becomes illegal under Trump.
One nut case with a binary trigger on a college campus and Binary trigger owners will become felons just like BS owners.
Even if it's a "story" about one used. I am always amazed at the efficiency of governments in the West. The next day, the magical 1000 page law appears. 😎
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That seems dangerous at the very least?
Why Franklin sends a decal that goes on all rifles that installer is supposed to use. I put them on my binaries but now have some repops that are not red. If have selector in binary mode, pull first shot and decide not to discharge second can move selector to safe and rifle will not discharge. Funny how a three shot burst trigger is an NFA item but binary due to second shot happening on a separate operation, release of trigger, is legal. Have enough won't feel bad if go away and can't get more but not so many will cry if ordered to destroy. They are almost necessary options on SBR's.

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Yeah Huey I guess I never really knew what they were about.take care.
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People these days seem inherently frightened. I was whittling away on a piece of Cedar the other day, at work while waiting. People would come up to me and ask me to be careful, I might cut myself, or worse them - which is really what they were meaning! Don't be safe, be good!
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back on topic, i think it's clear that everybody did.
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
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