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Old October 31, 2015, 20:12   #1
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U.S. Supreme Court says No License Necessary To Drive Automobile On Public Highways/Streets

Apr 21, 2015

U.S. SUPREME COURT AND OTHER HIGH COURT CITATIONS PROVING THAT NO LICENSE IS NECESSARY FOR NORMAL USE OF AN AUTOMOBILE ON COMMON WAYS

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"The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Under this constitutional guaranty one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct."

Thompson v.Smith, 154 SE 579, 11 American Jurisprudence, Constitutional Law, section 329, page 1135 "The right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, in the ordinary course of life and business, is a common right which he has under the right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right, in so doing, to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day, and under the existing modes of travel, includes the right to drive a horse drawn carriage or wagon thereon or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purpose of life and business." -

Thompson vs. Smith, supra.; Teche Lines vs. Danforth, Miss., 12 S.2d 784 "… the right of the citizen to drive on a public street with freedom from police interference… is a fundamental constitutional right" -White, 97 Cal.App.3d.141, 158 Cal.Rptr. 562, 566-67 (1979) “citizens have a right to drive upon the public streets of the District of Columbia or any other city absent a constitutionally sound reason for limiting their access.”

Caneisha Mills v. D.C. 2009 “The use of the automobile as a necessary adjunct to the earning of a livelihood in modern life requires us in the interest of realism to conclude that the RIGHT to use an automobile on the public highways partakes of the nature of a liberty within the meaning of the Constitutional guarantees. . .”

Berberian v. Lussier (1958) 139 A2d 869, 872, See also: Schecter v. Killingsworth, 380 P.2d 136, 140; 93 Ariz. 273 (1963). “The right to operate a motor vehicle [an automobile] upon the public streets and highways is not a mere privilege. It is a right of liberty, the enjoyment of which is protected by the guarantees of the federal and state constitutions.”

Adams v. City of Pocatello, 416 P.2d 46, 48; 91 Idaho 99 (1966). “A traveler has an equal right to employ an automobile as a means of transportation and to occupy the public highways with other vehicles in common use.”

Campbell v. Walker, 78 Atl. 601, 603, 2 Boyce (Del.) 41. “The owner of an automobile has the same right as the owner of other vehicles to use the highway,* * * A traveler on foot has the same right to the use of the public highways as an automobile or any other vehicle.”

Simeone v. Lindsay, 65 Atl. 778, 779; Hannigan v. Wright, 63 Atl. 234, 236. "The RIGHT of the citizen to DRIVE on the public street with freedom from police interference, unless he is engaged in suspicious conduct associated in some manner with criminality is a FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT which must be protected by the courts." People v. Horton 14 Cal. App. 3rd 667 (1971) “The right to make use of an automobile as a vehicle of travel long the highways of the state, is no longer an open question. The owners thereof have the same rights in the roads and streets as the drivers of horses or those riding a bicycle or traveling in some other vehicle.”

House v. Cramer, 112 N.W. 3; 134 Iowa 374; Farnsworth v. Tampa Electric Co. 57 So. 233, 237, 62 Fla. 166. “The automobile may be used with safety to others users of the highway, and in its proper use upon the highways there is an equal right with the users of other vehicles properly upon the highways. The law recognizes such right of use upon general principles.

Brinkman v Pacholike, 84 N.E. 762, 764, 41 Ind. App. 662, 666. “The law does not denounce motor carriages, as such, on public ways. They have an equal right with other vehicles in common use to occupy the streets and roads. It is improper to say that the driver of the horse has rights in the roads superior to the driver of the automobile. Both have the right to use the easement.”

Indiana Springs Co. v. Brown, 165 Ind. 465, 468. U.S. Supreme Court says No License Necessary To Drive Automobile On Public Highways/Streets No License Is Necessary Copy and Share Freely*YHVH.name*2 2 “A highway is a public way open and free to any one who has occasion to pass along it on foot or with any kind of vehicle.” Schlesinger v. City of Atlanta, 129 S.E. 861, 867, 161 Ga. 148, 159;

Holland v. Shackelford, 137 S.E. 2d 298, 304, 220 Ga. 104; Stavola v. Palmer, 73 A.2d 831, 838, 136 Conn. 670 “There can be no question of the right of automobile owners to occupy and use the public streets of cities, or highways in the rural districts.” Liebrecht v. Crandall, 126 N.W. 69, 110 Minn. 454, 456 "The word ‘automobile’ connotes a pleasure vehicle designed for the transportation of persons on highways."

-American Mutual Liability Ins. Co., vs. Chaput, 60 A.2d 118, 120; 95 NH 200 Motor Vehicle: 18 USC Part 1 Chapter 2 section 31 definitions: "(6) Motor vehicle. - The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways…" 10) The term "used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit. "A motor vehicle or automobile for hire is a motor vehicle, other than an automobile stage, used for the transportation of persons for which remuneration is received."

-International Motor Transit Co. vs. Seattle, 251 P. 120 The term ‘motor vehicle’ is different and broader than the word ‘automobile.’"

-City of Dayton vs. DeBrosse, 23 NE.2d 647, 650; 62 Ohio App. 232 "Thus self-driven vehicles are classified according to the use to which they are put rather than according to the means by which they are propelled" - Ex Parte Hoffert, 148 NW 20 "

The Supreme Court, in Arthur v. Morgan, 112 U.S. 495, 5 S.Ct. 241, 28 L.Ed. 825, held that carriages were properly classified as household effects, and we see no reason that automobiles should not be similarly disposed of."

Hillhouse v United States, 152 F. 163, 164 (2nd Cir. 1907). "...a citizen has the right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon..." State vs. Johnson, 243 P. 1073; Cummins vs. Homes, 155 P. 171; Packard vs. Banton, 44 S.Ct. 256; Hadfield vs. Lundin, 98 Wash 516, Willis vs. Buck, 263 P. l 982;

Barney vs. Board of Railroad Commissioners, 17 P.2d 82 "The use of the highways for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common and fundamental Right of which the public and the individual cannot be rightfully deprived."

Chicago Motor Coach vs. Chicago, 169 NE 22; Ligare vs. Chicago, 28 NE 934; Boon vs. Clark, 214 SSW 607; 25 Am.Jur. (1st) Highways Sect.163 "the right of the Citizen to travel upon the highway and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business… is the usual and ordinary right of the Citizen, a right common to all." -

Ex Parte Dickey, (Dickey vs. Davis), 85 SE 781 “Every Citizen has an unalienable RIGHT to make use of the public highways of the state; every Citizen has full freedom to travel from place to place in the enjoyment of life and liberty.” People v. Nothaus, 147 Colo. 210. "No State government entity has the power to allow or deny passage on the highways, byways, nor waterways... transporting his vehicles and personal property for either recreation or business, but by being subject only to local regulation i.e., safety, caution, traffic lights, speed limits, etc. Travel is not a privilege requiring licensing, vehicle registration, or forced insurances."

Chicago Coach Co. v. City of Chicago, 337 Ill. 200, 169 N.E. 22. "Traffic infractions are not a crime." People v. Battle "Persons faced with an unconstitutional licensing law which purports to require a license as a prerequisite to exercise of right... may ignore the law and engage with impunity in exercise of such right."

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 394 U.S. 147 (1969). U.S. Supreme Court says No License Necessary To Drive Automobile On Public Highways/Streets No License Is Necessary Copy and Share Freely*YHVH.name*3 "The word 'operator' shall not include any person who solely transports his own property and who transports no persons or property for hire or compensation."

Statutes at Large California Chapter 412 p.83 "Highways are for the use of the traveling public, and all have the right to use them in a reasonable and proper manner; the use thereof is an inalienable right of every citizen." Escobedo v. State 35 C2d 870 in 8 Cal Jur 3d p.27 “RIGHT -- A legal RIGHT, a constitutional RIGHT means a RIGHT protected by the law, by the constitution, but government does not create the idea of RIGHT or original RIGHTS; it acknowledges them. . . “ Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1914, p. 2961. “Those who have the right to do something cannot be licensed for what they already have right to do as such license would be meaningless.”

City of Chicago v Collins 51 NE 907, 910. “A license means leave to do a thing which the licensor could prevent.” Blatz Brewing Co. v. Collins, 160 P.2d 37, 39; 69 Cal. A. 2d 639. “The object of a license is to confer a right or power, which does not exist without it.”

Payne v. Massey (19__) 196 SW 2nd 493, 145 Tex 273. “The court makes it clear that a license relates to qualifications to engage in profession, business, trade or calling; thus, when merely traveling without compensation or profit, outside of business enterprise or adventure with the corporate state, no license is required of the natural individual traveling for personal business, pleasure and transportation.”

Wingfield v. Fielder 2d Ca. 3d 213 (1972). “If [state] officials construe a vague statute unconstitutionally, the citizen may take them at their word, and act on the assumption that the statute is void.” -

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 394 U.S. 147 (1969). "With regard particularly to the U.S. Constitution, it is elementary that a Right secured or protected by that document cannot be overthrown or impaired by any state police authority." Donnolly vs. Union Sewer Pipe Co., 184 US 540; Lafarier vs. Grand Trunk R.R. Co., 24 A. 848; O'Neil vs. Providence Amusement Co., 108 A. 887. "The right to travel (called the right of free ingress to other states, and egress from them) is so fundamental that it appears in the Articles of Confederation, which governed our society before the Constitution."

(Paul v. Virginia). "[T]he right to travel freely from State to State ... is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." (U.S. Supreme Court,

Shapiro v. Thompson). EDGERTON, Chief Judge: “Iron curtains have no place in a free world. ...'Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any State is a right secured by the Constitution.'

Williams v. Fears, 179 U.S. 270, 274, 21 S.Ct. 128, 45 L.Ed. 186. “Our nation has thrived on the principle that, outside areas of plainly harmful conduct, every American is left to shape his own life as he thinks best, do what he pleases, go where he pleases.” Id., at 197.

Kent vs. Dulles see Vestal, Freedom of Movement, 41 Iowa L.Rev. 6, 13—14. “The validity of restrictions on the freedom of movement of particular individuals, both substantively and procedurally, is precisely the sort of matter that is the peculiar domain of the courts.” Comment, 61 Yale L.J. at page 187. “a person detained for an investigatory stop can be questioned but is “not obliged to answer, answers may not be compelled, and refusal to answer furnishes no basis for an arrest.”Justice White, Hiibel “Automobiles have the right to use the highways of the State on an equal footing with other vehicles.”

Cumberland Telephone. & Telegraph Co. v Yeiser 141 Kentucy 15. “Each citizen has the absolute right to choose for himself the mode of conveyance he desires, whether it be by wagon or carriage, by horse, motor or electric car, or by bicycle, or astride of a horse, subject to the sole condition that he will observe all those requirements that are known as the law of the road.”

Swift v City of Topeka, 43 U.S. Supreme Court says No License Necessary To Drive Automobile On Public Highways/Streets No License Is Necessary Copy and Share Freely*YHVH.name*4 Kansas 671, 674. The Supreme Court said in U.S. v Mersky (1960) 361 U.S. 431: An administrative regulation, of course, is not a "statute." A traveler on foot has the same right to use of the public highway as an automobile or any other vehicle.

Cecchi v. Lindsay, 75 Atl. 376, 377, 1 Boyce (Del.) 185. Automotive vehicles are lawful means of conveyance and have equal rights upon the streets with horses and carriages.

Chicago Coach Co. v. City of Chicago, 337 Ill. 200, 205; See also: Christy v. Elliot, 216 Ill. 31; Ward v. Meredith, 202 Ill. 66; Shinkle v. McCullough, 116 Ky. 960; Butler v. Cabe, 116 Ark. 26, 28-29. …automobiles are lawful vehicles and have equal rights on the highways with horses and carriages. Daily v. Maxwell, 133 S.W. 351, 354.

Matson v. Dawson, 178 N.W. 2d 588, 591. A farmer has the same right to the use of the highways of the state, whether on foot or in a motor vehicle, as any other citizen.

Draffin v. Massey, 92 S.E.2d 38, 42. Persons may lawfully ride in automobiles, as they may lawfully ride on bicycles. Doherty v. Ayer, 83 N.E. 677, 197 Mass. 241, 246;

Molway v. City of Chicago, 88 N.E. 485, 486, 239 Ill. 486; Smiley v. East St. Louis Ry. Co., 100 N.E. 157, 158. "A soldier's personal automobile is part of his ‘household goods[.]’

U.S. v Bomar, C.A.5(Tex.), 8 F.3d 226, 235" 19A Words and Phrases - Permanent Edition (West) pocket part 94. "[I]t is a jury question whether ... an automobile ... is a motor vehicle[.]"

United States v Johnson, 718 F.2d 1317, 1324 (5th Cir. 1983). Other right to use an automobile cases: -

EDWARDS VS. CALIFORNIA, 314 U.S. 160 -

TWINING VS NEW JERSEY, 211 U.S. 78 - WILLIAMS VS. FEARS, 179 U.S. 270, AT 274 - CRANDALL VS. NEVADA, 6 WALL. 35, AT 43-44 - THE PASSENGER CASES, 7 HOWARD 287, AT 492 - U.S. VS. GUEST, 383 U.S. 745, AT 757-758 (1966) -

GRIFFIN VS. BRECKENRIDGE, 403 U.S. 88, AT 105-106 (1971) - CALIFANO VS. TORRES, 435 U.S. 1, AT 4, note 6 -

SHAPIRO VS. THOMPSON, 394 U.S. 618 (1969) - CALIFANO VS. AZNAVORIAN, 439 U.S. 170, AT 176 (1978)
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That is a damn nice safe. Easily worth the starting bid. You Arizona guys should jump on it.
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Well, while I somewhat agree with the gal, don't matter...you try that shit 9 times out of 10 or more you don't pass go, you will go straight to jail.

Federal code was originally intended to be operative only within Federal jurisdiction which meant Federally owned properties such as Military Reservations, National Forest Lands, etc.
That's where the actual jurisdiction lays.

This should not be confused with revenue acts
For example much of the Drug War is tax based as is the Whole of Gun Control at the federal level...impose a tax then impose regulation to enforce collection of said taxation.

Likely 30 to 40% of Federal code is Taxation based

Up here for example I have seen folks prosecuted before Federal Magistrates for silly crap like DUI on forestry trails in National forest land. You would think it would be tried in the County Court system but instead it goes Federal and sometimes folks have ended up doing a month in a Federal Prison just based on where they were when the offense occurred.

Federal Magistrates are also used by corrupt LE in Warrant shopping
Federal District Judges here tend to be seriously solid performers, mostly true of Federal Prosecutors. Same with local DAs
Sometimes the Boy Pigs get turned down by all so they end up going to the local Federal Timber Magistrate to obtain search warrants for lands not even within their jurisdiction.
It's a common tactic among Drug Task forces.
These Magistrates are part time at best and even when the piglets and Magistrate are called on the game they claim a "Good Faith" exception, basically they were ignorant of actual physical jurisdiction thus there is no fruit of the poisonous tree and the case is allowed to proceed.

I have known a few folks in this movement, couple were successful, most were not
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Know folks that take every opportunity to rebuke and push the system. Will do my best to have a license for everything will ever do, be polite to cops, judges, building inspectors, code emforcement, etc. Follow rules best I can and use the words "sir" and "ma'am" very often. Carry over 40 state/federal trade licenses for work, have all my required paperwork for vehicles including commercial drivers license, motorcycle endorsement and do my post trip inspection log everytime park a truck at end of the day (requirement for business vehicles). Do not have the time to debate semantics of legal system with law enforcement on side of road then get bonded out of jail, appear in court, debate legal system with judge in bad mood over fight with wife, solicitor whose been told county is short on budget to try and collect maximum fines, then find myself in contempt of court just for blinking. When live in the last great bastion of communism just have to deal with it in manner each individual sees fit.

Have defended myself five times in traffic court and every time charges were dropped. Last two, even though judge dimissed charges had to pay court fees that exceeded cost of ticket for violation accused of. Due to migraines have a state issued permit for dark window tint. Cop wrote ticket saying had never heard of such and even though showed him the permit said was not his job to interpret the law and let the judge figure it out. Judge threw out charges but attached a $50 court fee while dismissing a $35 ticket and acted lIke dI'd me a favor. Would have saved $15 and half day driving to another county and waiting my turn to see the judge. It's all a racket and going to get some of your money one way or the other.

Could be buying solvent trap parts and odd plumbing fittings to avoid $200 per device for suppressors. The 10 year, $10,000 fine on back side of that seems a bit out of balance with a $200 up front fee and few months wait and nicely engineered device. Same with Form 1's, had a friend offer to give me a box of parts a long time ago. When saw what they were ordered off my property. He purchased internals from one site and externals from another. Were engineered to assemble seamlessly together. Was so nice and when went to the separate sites applied for a Form 1 and when cleared purchased a few parts on the cheap... Find staying between the lines on rules has not limited my ability to enjoy life and removed a lot of stress. Binary triggers, one stamp SBR's and AR pistols with SIG Brace type devices have rifles that are close enough to the real deal cheap enough don't need any part of that trouble.
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Huey...

Some people just don't realise when they are a victim of fraud and when things are not actually required, when you are told that you have to do some thing and aren't given full disclosure of the contract and further aren't told that this thing you are told you must do is based on a contractual act that is fraud.

If you are OK with being bent over and screwed by government then have at it.

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Know folks that take every opportunity to rebuke and push the system. Will do my best to have a license for everything will ever do, be polite to cops, judges, building inspectors, code emforcement, etc. Follow rules best I can and use the words "sir" and "ma'am" very often. Carry over 40 state/federal trade licenses for work, have all my required paperwork for vehicles including commercial drivers license, motorcycle endorsement and do my post trip inspection log everytime park a truck at end of the day (requirement for business vehicles). Do not have the time to debate semantics of legal system with law enforcement on side of road then get bonded out of jail, appear in court, debate legal system with judge in bad mood over fight with wife, solicitor whose been told county is short on budget to try and collect maximum fines, then find myself in contempt of court just for blinking. When live in the last great bastion of communism just have to deal with it in manner each individual sees fit.

Have defended myself five times in traffic court and every time charges were dropped. Last two, even though judge dimissed charges had to pay court fees that exceeded cost of ticket for violation accused of. Due to migraines have a state issued permit for dark window tint. Cop wrote ticket saying had never heard of such and even though showed him the permit said was not his job to interpret the law and let the judge figure it out. Judge threw out charges but attached a $50 court fee while dismissing a $35 ticket and acted lIke dI'd me a favor. Would have saved $15 and half day driving to another county and waiting my turn to see the judge. It's all a racket and going to get some of your money one way or the other.

Could be buying solvent trap parts and odd plumbing fittings to avoid $200 per device for suppressors. The 10 year, $10,000 fine on back side of that seems a bit out of balance with a $200 up front fee and few months wait and nicely engineered device. Same with Form 1's, had a friend offer to give me a box of parts a long time ago. When saw what they were ordered off my property. He purchased internals from one site and externals from another. Were engineered to assemble seamlessly together. Was so nice and when went to the separate sites applied for a Form 1 and when cleared purchased a few parts on the cheap... Find staying between the lines on rules has not limited my ability to enjoy life and removed a lot of stress. Binary triggers, one stamp SBR's and AR pistols with SIG Brace type devices have rifles that are close enough to the real deal cheap enough don't need any part of that trouble.
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Not o.k. with it but have no desire to be the test case paying lawyers all the way to the Supreme Court. It's called choosing your battles, I could easily drop half the paperwork do every week and odds are single digit a Federal Alphabet Agency audits my post trip inspection logs, fall protection plans for each job work more than six feet off ground, Utilities Protection Location orders for every site dig with shovel but if fall in that catagory fine for missing a single MSDS sheet is $47,500.00 and I don't want to fork that over to OSHA or pay lawyers to fight it. It's like not walking through Sharia Law neighborhoods in Paris, have the full right as a tourist to walk wherever in Paris but after one wrong turn and half a block into such a neighborhood won't ever do so again. It's called self preservation and I will err toward financial, legal or personal safetly if all it takes is a little bit of paperwork. Like screwing crack hoes, going to go bareback or wear your rain boots? No rule says have to wear the latex...
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Well, everybody wants their plumber to be licensed, of course we don't have an unalienable right to put wax rings under porcelain bowls for a living.


The entire concept of licensing comes from society wanting to ensure that the other yahoos out there aren't going to kill their wives and daughters on the highway because they received no training, testing, or screening in the safe operation of 3000 pounds of steel going 70 miles per hour. Or wire the electricity in their house, fly a jet carrying 125 people,etc etc. It is when you find out that a license is required to cut hair or buff fingernails or have a PTA bake sale that it starts to become obvious that revenue has surpassed safety in the minds of the drones we employ to serve us.
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A taste of what my law research group has been producing.

BTW If Huey or any others feel like bending over for the man have at it, it makes no difference to me what so ever.

It's sad but that is what most are use to doing, it's taught in all levels of education that you do what you are told by the man and every other form of government.

That is what good slaves do..


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I couldn't wait to get my drivers license when I was 16...........
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Old July 17, 2017, 17:10   #15
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Ditto, little did I realise at the time it was a contract and I wasn't of age to enter into any contract.

Knowing this now should make it real easy to get rid of it.

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please film that when you are demanding law enforcement officer to fill out his "home address".

16 pages...hahaha

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Yes, all of my LEO encounters are filmed and audio recorded to the cloud for mainly my protection and the officers.

If they kill me on the side of the highway my wife may be setup for life.

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please film that when you are demanding law enforcement officer to fill out his "home address".

16 pages...hahaha

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Have weighed in on this multiple times and can't repeat due to lack of time. I now spend over 20 hours a week on unnecessary paperwork. MSDS sheets for a single roll of tape, fall protection plans to change a single lightbulb and so many more. Most companies I work for have OSHA and EPA compliance departments that doubled in size under Nobama. I can't pick up a shovel without a licence. In Georgia, a homeowner can't legally dig a hole on their own property or cut the grass under the service line entering their house without having UPC come mark property. Wife wants a birdfeeder, call UPC. (cost me $5,000 putting up birdfeeder for ex wife without calling for a locate 30 years ago) Cut your grass call UPC. If went into a Georgia Warm Air License for HVAC would have to shoot myself due to how bad the rules piss me off. I do not mind following rules that make sense like permits and inspections when build stuff. But $47,500 fine because purchased Lowe's brand rattle can of white paint instead of Krylon and forgot to file a single MSDS sheet is ludicrous.
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Convo With A Judge About “Driving” This is how it's done!

> Wow...so slick! How would you like this to roll off your tongue that easy!
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> Freedom From Government Official Website
> Convo With A Judge About “Driving”
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> Me: “Your honor, I’d like to remind you that, according to the Uniform Commercial Code, that ‘driving’ is an occupational action and a commercial term for someone who is for hire to provide a service of transportation like a taxi or a person who is transporting merchandise to be sold, like a truck driver. Since nothing that I was doing while operating my personal private automobile was considered commercial, by definition, I was not driving because I was not involved in traffic. Going from point A to point be, even driving to work, is not considered driving if I’m not operating in a public commercial status, which is also known as traffic. I was merely traveling privately. Just because I use the same roadways, doesn’t mean I was operating in the same capacity. This is federal law, decided by the supreme court. I was traveling lawfully and need no license to do so. Licensing liberty law also says that my right to travel cannot be converted into a license and charged for a fee and that if such a litigation is written, which would be a violation of my right and infringe on my enjoyment of said right, then it charges no offense for me to not acquire a licence, ignore the litigation and proceed with impunity. I have no contract as a driver, no hours logged and am on no corporate payroll as such.”
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> Judge: “the definitions of the UCC aren’t valid in this situation, you have to have a license to operate a motored vehicle in the state of Ohio.”
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> Me: “what about what I said was unclear? Federal jurisdiction trumps your statutory jurisdiction as well. A motored vehicle is used for commercial purposes, which I defined for you previously. My personal automobile is household goods. And how are they not valid? Do you collect a revenue using federal reserve Notes in this court?”
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> Me: “that validates the federal jurisdiction of the UCC over this court. If you use federal money, then you have to abide by federal law and code… unless, of course, you’re saying you’re going to break federal law and code to extort me… Does the USC Title 18 part 1 chapter 13 subsection 241 and 242 apply to you if you infringe upon my rights and do me harm in the process? Hypothetically speaking of course…”
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> Me: “If that federal code applies, then so does the UCC. You cannot pick and choose sir. You, yourself, are operating commercially on behalf of the court as an administrator of this municipality. So the UCC applies to you. I didn’t write the laws, I just found them. And, if we’re being honest, the officer, who brought this claim against me, should actually have state plates on his car since he is acting in a public capacity AND operating commercially to collect a revenue. But he doesn’t, he has private plates with police decals on them. You are allowing unlawful litigations to be enforced and do damage upon me financially and infringe upon my rights. Neither the state, nor the city, this municipality, nor you would have any standing in a federal court if you passed judgment on me over this while ignoring and violating federal law causing damage to me. Please have the bondsman bring forward the proper documents so that I can see who will indemnify me.”
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Driving while under the influence is a crime, same as driving without ins.
Getting a ticket for speeding will still cost you in court. Many do not have licenses who violate those laws.

Fed regulations for operation of a tractor trailer on the Interstate system, let alone state requirements, make the whole drivers license deal a moot point.
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For there to be a crime there needs to be a victim, -a victim there are no elements if a crime.

Do you follow this train of thought ?

If you have no license they (government, State, County etc,) have no jurisdiction over you! if you can comprehend this simple fact we are on level ground if not we aren't on the same level.

The post just before your last should explain "jurisdiction Want of" the drivers lisence is is their snare to pull you into their jurisdiction without it you are not bound to pay attention to laws within the vehicle code.

I realise most can't relate to this mostly because they have had this BS pounds into their head since a very young age, but no matter at what age they were first brainwashed BS is still BS.

If you are not a commercial carrier and or for hire you are not required to obtain a driver license the law is very clear on this, within the California vehicle code, federal statutes and the UCC, Being lied to by government is no excuse a lie is still a lie.

BTW: To purchase insurance one must give up his sovereign status as a man or woman and become a person aka legal fiction this does not work it's a crime in itself as there is a victim the man becomes diminished and the mans status is violated.
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CAPITIS DIMINUTIO MAXIMA

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Driving while under the influence is a crime, same as driving without ins.
Getting a ticket for speeding will still cost you in court. Many do not have licenses who violate those laws.

Fed regulations for operation of a tractor trailer on the Interstate system, let alone state requirements, make the whole drivers license deal a moot point.
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I have these posted at my property lines, entrances to properties and inside structures. Please read carefully and consider if a person posting such a sign is a push-over or will just roll over an wag his tail for whatever agency tries to exert authority.



I have a document with similar working in my vehicles along with my window tint exemption card, insurance card, registration, drivers license and other documents that might ease the course of a day if encounter an enforcement officer for any activities might find myself engaged in.

That said, I will not submit willingly to any improper charges, levies or fines but I do not argue with the issuing officer or employee of agency. A wise man once told me never argue with a cop on the side of the road. It is much more comfortable to be sitting in his supervisors office the next business day or provide my proof of innocence to a judge than to be doing it while recovering from multiple bruises, contusions and abrasions involved in getting beat down with a night stick then thrown in the part of the jail where the guys who like to rape new occupants during the time it is taking your family or friends to arrange bail or lawyer to secure your release. Don't really want to be the defendant in a court case involving the shooting or beat down of an LEO or municipal inspector either because I chose to not recognize their authority. Say "yes sir", "no sir", or "ma'am" as the case might be. take my ticket, sign and follow up in the appropriate venue.

Between myself, family and helping a multitude of employees am well in 70% plus range of getting charges, fines or other penalties dismissed or reduced significantly and never been thumped in the head by a cop or cops then drug down side of road, head bounced of B Pillar of cruiser then thrown in a cell. This is a part of what I call survival with least amount of negative impact upon myself physically or financially. I realize most of the crap that OSHA, EPA and other agencies force us to comply with are not based in law. Nobama and Bill Clinton were masters of passing regulations using such organizations when could not get Legislative Branch to pass the laws they wanted.

I also realize if really wanted to skip my Fall Protection Plans and Post Trip Inspection Logs along with hundreds of other rules I choose to follow that could hire a lawyer and keep rolling it uphill in court till got a favorable decision but them we fall into fiscal survival. The dot gov agencies will be using lawyers paid for by my/our tax dollars and I would have to pay out of pocket for mine. Last I heard it was well in excess of a million dollars if decide to fight an issue to Supreme Court and possibly get a positive ruling before it got that far but most agencies will then appeal to try and keep their little rule and fine structure on the books.

I will not go easily on anything that would personally rule as a major issue morally or fiscally. Would fight a fair legal fight as far as I could but would not elevate the fact that I don't feel it necessary to carry a drivers license and insurance somehow get elevated to being chased home by the cops, SWAT Team surrounding home and either extracting my dead carcass or burning the house down around me. Know of three situations in Northeast GA where a minor traffic incident involving victim chosing to leave the scene instead of complying with something as simple as officers request to blow into the breathalyzer, sign the ticket being issued or providing requested documents resulted in a pursuit, large gathering of enforcement officers, shots traded and eventual death of person who could have just signed the ticket and dealt with the judge or have a lawyer intercede on their behalf. If not known to be a troublemaker in most circumstances can get charges dismissed or reduced to point where the sting is not bad.

Hmmm, shot by SWAT or maybe pay a $100 fine??? Let me thunk bout this a bit... Pondering, will let you know if I decide renewing my drivers license and paying my truck insurance pisses me off so bad the possibility of the worst case scenario seems like the better option. Meanwhile will try not to become test case material. Show of hands from folks who drive with no license or insurance please. Maybe we should have a poll.
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Some, well maybe most won't get this but non the less it's worth posting for the more enlightened of you here.




No state shall convert a liberty in to a license.




These two cases should be shepardized... If someone has, let me know please.

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 394 US 147 (1969), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Supreme Court struck down a Birmingham, Alabama. ordinance that prohibited citizens from holding parades and processions on city streets without first obtaining a permit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shut..._of_Birmingham
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This is one crazy thread.............

Do any of you happen to know this guy?

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You allergic to liberty ?

Or maybe just living with oppression for way too long.


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This is one crazy thread.............

Do any of you happen to know this guy?

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The links below are interviews with Christopher Summers, and I believe you’ll be impressed with the research he’s done. Listen to what you have time for.


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No state shall convert a liberty in to a license.

These two cases should be shepardized... If someone has, let me know please.

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 394 US 147 (1969), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Supreme Court struck down a Birmingham, Alabama. ordinance that prohibited citizens from holding parades and processions on city streets without first obtaining a permit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shut..._of_Birmingham
Not disagreeing or arguing but playing a little devils advocate, flip side of the coin.

Back when the Texas cop shooting and all the other cop shootings seemed to be happening weekly or daily a lot of people around here got all puffed up and had to show support for the Men in Blue. Got no problem with people marching to support or oppose an idea or principle but suddenly we had huge local issue.

Riots in Atlanta popping up everywhere so GBI sent every available man into the city to provide cover for street cops from rooftops as different areas went hot. Every spare asset in rural areas got pulled into Atlanta, Macon and other bigger towns with minority populations. One particular night during this had three hot zones in Atlanta with several hundred protesters marching out into the I-75/I-85 combined downtown thrufare. Medium and small size towns were having minority and liberal protester pop ups go violent, was a total mess and had law enforcement spread as thin as possible without governor calling up the National Guard which would have escalated things to another level.

Friday and Saturday morning churches all over north Georgia made a big social media push to organize off the cuff prayer vigils to show support for cops in municipal squares, city parks and big church parking lots. So middle of worst race riots since Rodney King, law enforcement spread thin plus under active attack, now we have half the Bible Thumpers (yes, I go to church regular) gathering in large groups all over in almost every town and city to have prayer marches to show police support.

This was a huge tactical issue and beginning of why I recently moved churches after 12 years and being head of security. Senior pastor out of town and some middle management associate pastor decides we are going to invite local police chief, Sheriff and have big March and pray for them. My former church is biggest in community so the honored men kind of had to show up but could not release assets to protect the event. Here is a big group of mostly white Christians, marching, praying for cops outside in big area almost possible to secure. One idiot pastor came up with this and another idea where he put 350 kids out marching with less than one hours marching but expected our internal church security team to protect his off the cuff events. Nobody wanted to hurt anyone's feelings but didn't post notice, get permits for marches and in both cases had civilians on rooftops protecting cops, crowds and kids. I finally said it had to end or I had to go. Turns out being overly emotional and touchy feely are a better idea than scheduling an event in manner security can be arranged with more than a morning post to Facebook page. Grew tired of responsibility protecting hundreds of people following one moron trying to get some publicity. Now working in a security environment where events are planned and notice is given to team before any event. Permits or not, right or wrong, some people are just ignorant and sometimes rules are needed to protect the people charged with protecting the morons from getting hurt or killed because somebody had an idea and administrative access to entities Facebook page.
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This explains (I'm expecting) alot of the frauds that have to do with living, working, etc within the several states.

Clicking on the link below will initiate a download of a file that

Withdraw of Consent"*

This booklet is nothing more than a starting point; to help open the eyes (...and minds) of frustrated so-called patriots.

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HOW DOES CONGRESS “LEGALLY” GET AWAY WITH ALL THEIR UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTIVITY?  The Federal Reserve? - The Patriot Act? - The Healthcare Bill? - Cap and Trade? – Federal Income Taxes? What follows is fact - not fiction. It is NOT conspiracy theory or Patriot myth. It is all 100% documented. The TRUTH is that the UNITED STATES you believe to be a country is nothing more than a private/ for profit business operated by an unlawful Congress for the benefit of a handful of International Bankers and controlled by the Vatican. America is a corporate “slave” plantation. On February 21st in 1871, the “nobility” of Congress officially created a PRIVATE / FOR PROFIT municipal corporation that they could “legally” control under Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 of the organic Constitution - and then proceeded to give it all the power and authority "not inconsistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States." See: Congressional Record/ Organic Act of 1871. What did Congress name their NEW private business enterprise? They named their new company…THE UNITED STATES. Let me be very clear about this important issue by restating it: In 1871, “Congress” created a PRIVATE company called the UNITED STATES over which THEY had complete “legal” control, and gave it powers - “NOT INCONSISTENT with the Constitution and Laws of the United States.” The District of Columbia (aka The State of New Columbia) is unlike ANY other municipal corporation on the planet. For within the ten mile square known as the “District of Columbia” is a PRIVATELY HELD corporation legally named “THE UNITED STATES” with all the power of the organic Constitution for the united States of America. Any participation “within” this PRIVATE / FOR PROFIT commercial entity is “presumed” to be a legally binding contract, based on OUR CONSENT, to be “adjudicated” by THEM, in THEIR PRIVATE commercial courts. Amazingly, most Americans still believe a legitimate government and system of Law exists and they live in a FREE society. Sadly, nothing can be farther from the truth. Truth be told, the American people are nothing more than FEUDAL SERFS (slaves) within a system of “Public Policy” that captures ALL corporate U.S. citizen “persons” (assets) through a deceptive - but voluntary - 14th Amendment U.S. citizenship. The fact is, every single “courtroom” currently operating “within” one of their “STATE OF” franchises, is a non-Article III legislative tribunal acting as collection agent for Congress’s PRIVATE / FOR PROFIT commercial business (you) – and administrator of FDR’s corporate U.S. bankruptcy of 1933. Every Department of Justice “court” across America is a private commercial Law Merchant court operating ONLY for the generation of corporate PROFITS. To be clear, there is NEVER a lawful non-fictional non-commercial “cause of action” in THEIR PRIVATE COURT SYSTEM. Never should a sane man or woman walk into one of their PRIVATE / FOR PROFIT commercial courtrooms and expect the Constitution to magically appear or the Common Law to be recognized, upheld, or enforced. The sooner WE ALL accept that - WE HAVE NO LAW - and - WE HAVE NO GOVERNMENT - the sooner we can take back what has been fraudulently stolen by the Crown controlled thieves in Washington D.C. its private central banking system – the Federal Reserve. Only then can we start rebuilding what is left of America. Only then will we have a monetary system based on real value. Only then will we, “the American people,” truly regain our freedom, liberty, and God given unalienable Rights.  There has been no true freedom or “lawful” government since the creation of the UNITED STATES Constitution.  We have been under Military Rule since dictator Abraham Lincoln issued Executive Order #1, April 15, 1861.  No American claiming U.S. “citizenship” has a “vote” or any representation in their private “Congress.” We must educate OURSELVES on the U.S. ASSET / 14th Amendment “citizenship” that holds us in Bondage! The Declaration of Independence states: Governments are instituted… by the CONSENT of the governed. NOW IS THE TIME TO… WITHDRAW OUR CONSENT.


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