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Old June 14, 2018, 03:52   #1
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Another L1A1...but it's mine and all Brit








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Old June 14, 2018, 05:51   #2
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Whoa... NIce...... RiFAL.
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Old June 14, 2018, 08:20   #3
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Old June 14, 2018, 11:01   #4
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It looks like yu switched out to wood ?

How about the stock...?

I just picked one up, in really excellent condition and in the process of switching from the plastic to wood (I have a thumbhole conversion I'll put the plastic on).

I removed the butt pad screw.....but for the life of me, cannot get the butt pad off the stock. Don't want to bubbarize and leave scars trying to pries it off...

I did put a rag over the end of the pad and tried to gently tap it off but no !

The pad is the hard plastic type......any ideas ?
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Old June 14, 2018, 11:49   #5
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Thatís a nice original L1A1!

Will you please with us if the serial numbers match on lower, carrier, bolt and perhaps barrel. I wonder if Brits kept matching parts together.
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Old June 14, 2018, 13:07   #6
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All matching P/N's on L1A1, both Brit & Aussie are extremely rare.
In fact, it's not uncommon to have 'factory assembled' units containing both Brit & Aussie parts mixed.

This was due to the periodical time of parts shortages, especially towards the 'end of life', when both countries ran low on parts. Many Aussie replacement parts were never marked.

According to the FAL Primer book, it's technically considered 'all original' to have parts assembled on a Commonwealth gun from both countries. You will see (say) a Brit P/N and/or proof mark on a part with an Aussie stenciled 'acceptance stamp', usually 'crossed flags'.

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Old June 14, 2018, 14:11   #7
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Beautiful riFALís brother
I absolutely LOVE the commonwealth rifles, donít know what it is but I like them better than any other variant
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Old June 14, 2018, 14:36   #8
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It looks like yu switched out to wood ?

How about the stock...?

I just picked one up, in really excellent condition and in the process of switching from the plastic to wood (I have a thumbhole conversion I'll put the plastic on).

I removed the butt pad screw.....but for the life of me, cannot get the butt pad off the stock. Don't want to bubbarize and leave scars trying to pries it off...

I did put a rag over the end of the pad and tried to gently tap it off but no !

The pad is the hard plastic type......any ideas ?
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You have to remove the recoil spring assembly to remove the butt pad.
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Old June 14, 2018, 15:55   #9
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Beautiful L1A1 for sure.
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Old June 14, 2018, 15:57   #10
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Yes...I discovered when the butt screw is removed, there is a plug the screw holds in place.

Took an allen wrench and levered it out to expose the stock retaining screw.
(sneaky, those Brits !!).

Now I'm trying to figure-out how to get to the allen screw which holds the pistol grip in place. I can see the screw but can't get my allen wrench down into it ??

FYI: I have never built a FAL so I'm kinda fumbling in the dark, just with the plastics !!
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Old June 14, 2018, 16:52   #11
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Waiting for a stock tool do do the job properly. After that it's 100% wood stock.

The allen screw that holds the pistol grip is easily reached if you release the hammer (guide it down, don't let it fly). Spring comes loose and is removed from the lower.

Works pretty much the same as the hammer spring in a 10/22
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Old June 14, 2018, 16:54   #12
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Thatís a nice original L1A1!

Will you please with us if the serial numbers match on lower, carrier, bolt and perhaps barrel. I wonder if Brits kept matching parts together.
Bolt, Carrier, Upper and lower, gasblock have matching numbers. Barrel is an arsenal replacement from 1984.

The weapon came in a plastic bag with Arsenal revision stickers, it wasn't fired after revision.
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Old June 14, 2018, 19:10   #13
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The rifle is still i one piece..upper & lower not separated.

I tried to remove the hinge pin and it won't budge....tight as Dick's hat band !!!
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Old June 14, 2018, 19:37   #14
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Congrats, nice rifle.
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Wow, very rare SLR in your hands . Well done.
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Nice stick you've got there. Make her a dirty girl, and put a few hundred rounds down the pipe.
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Old June 15, 2018, 04:39   #17
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Bolt, Carrier, Upper and lower, gasblock have matching numbers. Barrel is an arsenal replacement from 1984.

The weapon came in a plastic bag with Arsenal revision stickers, it wasn't fired after revision.
Thanks for the feedback. Very niceto to have SLR with matching numbers. Thanks for sharing.
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Old June 15, 2018, 05:52   #18
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Beautiful riFALís brother
I absolutely LOVE the commonwealth rifles, donít know what it is but I like them better than any other variant
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I didn't think the Brits put the safety sear in the L1? Or was it the aussies that left it out?
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Old June 15, 2018, 17:57   #20
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Both would be sold surplus with the safety sear still fitted.
Various countries legislation requires removal.


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Old June 15, 2018, 22:28   #21
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Both would be sold surplus with the safety sear still fitted.
Various countries legislation requires removal.
Gotcha, I just thought they left them out of the L1A1s and fitted them in the L2s.
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Old June 16, 2018, 17:09   #22
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The same Body was used for both models. Rear sight, carry handle, selector and trigger plunger were different on the L2.

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Gotcha, I just thought they left them out of the L1A1s and fitted them in the L2s.
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Old June 17, 2018, 06:38   #23
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Everyone is saying it is but a RiFAL. AFAIK that means it is a parts kit build.

Is it?
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Everyone is saying it is but a RiFAL. AFAIK that means it is a parts kit build.

Is it?
No, this is a real surplus slr
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Everyone is saying it is but a RiFAL. AFAIK that means it is a parts kit build.

Is it?
It's not a kitbuild...receiver is BSA. This is, as mentioned, a surplus L1A1 in arsenal revised state... meaning as good as it gets with new parts and an unused barrel...
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It's not a kitbuild...receiver is BSA. This is, as mentioned, a surplus L1A1 in arsenal revised state... meaning as good as it gets with new parts and an unused barrel...
And yet the very first reply was

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Whoa... NIce...... RiFAL.
Hence my comment. I too saw the BSA markings on the receiver.

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Nice stick you've got there. Make her a dirty girl, and put a few hundred rounds down the pipe.
Or he can do a hanseld and not shoot it much at all, later getting one that is not as rare.

Kuiper1973, I think it is rare enough in the US you might consider it a safe queen.
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Old June 21, 2018, 01:43   #28
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Good L1A1s are getting rarer in Europe, but they were surplused in such great numbers that they won't get really rare.

Have to remember that however strange gunlaws in the Netherlands might be from time to time, we're not bound by a number of domestic parts in a weapon or building the rifle from a parts kit because the receiver was banned from import.

Used to have a type III Hungararian AK47 with the third pin still in the receiver, only the disconnector shortened so that it would not fire in fun mode anymore...

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Sweeeeeeet !
Lets see I have to move there and become a citizen to get one ? ? ?
or do i need to give up the first born also ? (which actually maybe negotiable
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Hence my comment. I too saw the BSA markings on the receiver.


I'm a bit confused but I didn't intend any consternation or misinformation by my post. In general, when speaking of these rifles I toss all of them into the FAL catagory, only discerning between L1A1 and FAL when the conversation calls for it.
Didn't mean anything untold by it.
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I didn't think the Brits put the safety sear in the L1? Or was it the aussies that left it out?
It was present in all the Commonwealth rifles during their service life. Per Peter Laidler, the Rifle Steering Committee considered it unnecessary (though its protection against an out-of-battery firing was recognized)...but, as with the also-deemed-unnecessary carry handle, it wasn't worth additional negotiations and royalty payments for deviations from FN's design...of which there had already been plenty.

It was the alterations to the SLR's selector shaft, and trigger return pin/spring assembly, that ensured its inability to have a "go-fast mode".
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