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Need Help in Vacaville/Scramento Area
So I just had a friend drop a polymer 80% lower in my lap. Cool! Time for my first AR project
Now I need to do the drilling and milling, but I have no drill press or milling vice and not too interested in buying them for just this project. So, I am looking for someone in the Solano County, CA area that may be willing to let me have a little shop/garage time in return for beer or lunch. Should be a couple hours and no more. Sacramento to San Francisco is the radius. If anyone out there would consider helping a fellow shooter out I would be very grateful. Have a great day everyone. |
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Second post to group asking someone to volunteer to use equipment and jigs to machine black gun parts in the last great communist nation on the planet? That is something I would jump right on if loony enough to live in southern Kali...
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The polymer 80s almost always come with a fixture.
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I fail to understand why anyone would engage in such a project. If you want an untraceable firearm, buy one in a private sale. If private sales are not allowed in your AO, do what millions of felons do, and have your cousin or gf buy one on your behalf. If you can't find a receptive cousin or gf, buy one on theblack market.
Cutting your own seems like doing things the hard way, times 10, with inferior results. Note, I do not condone violating the law, I am simply pointing out a fact. |
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http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397460 I certainly don't think mine is an inferior product. There was no cost savings but it was a lot of fun, I learned a lot, it gets a bit of attention and I can say I almost made it myself. I'm certainly not a felon nor worried about untraceable firearms, my name has been through the system way too many times to even think such things. Some people just like making things which is an end to itself. To the OP, it sounds like a fun project, I say go for it, I've heard some people have done them with a hand drill.
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Seems like I read somewhere that our masters have opined that build parties where folks gather to share tools is now a felonious offense. You are not allowed to loan or share your tools with anyone lest ye be engaged in manufacturing firearms without blessing.
So the OP' makes his second post a request that might be frowned upon? And in what state? HMMMMMMM. |
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Like solvent trap parts. Guy in NY state was buying AR lowers and solvent trap parts along with ammo online. ATF and state authorities showed up at his home with warrant to discover a few AR 15's along with piles of high capacity magazines, solvent traps turned suppressors, and stash of ammo. He will likely be doing time till I pass from this earth. I am not knocking people that like to build stuff. Bought an entire machine shop including tool room lathe and huge automatic surfacing machine. Things have gotten so goofy with ATF policy, State Department DDC/ITAR rules and such sold most of it as just don't need the worry. Cost to get a FFL, ITAR licensed, insurance and keep up with paperwork for a hobby wasn't worth it. Kept my mill and some other machine tools but most got sold at silly profit that will pay for a bunch of finished parts. Anyone that wants to finish lowers for the sake of it, great. A new member that doesn't even introduce himself then make a few posts to get a little feel for the group, has no Marketplace transaction record who lives in Kali"fornication" whose first post is asking for FAL work done in South Kali and second to use someone's equipment in Kali to finish 80% lowers seems like a troll at best and narc at worst. Not that all narcs are bad, don't like people selling dope to middle school kids but this guy reeks. It is too easy to do it legally if your really interested. Sears sells a table top drill press for under $200 that will hog out a lower. $500 will buy a pretty nice free standing drill press or used mill. Anyone that wants to be a hobbyist needs to buy enough tools to get started. Loaning a tool that a man may use one time in his life is fine. Have loaned and borrowed tools from members. Right now have my spare reaction rod, combination AR wrench and a inch/pound torque wrench out on loan and a tap for threading lower for buffer tubes borrowed. Imagine a guy needing to tap the rear lug and doesn't buy 80% lowers. They are already tapped but have seen some paperweights that needed threads on occasion. Ultimate hobbyist lower project. This will hone a lot of skills and give the stiffest and strongest lower a man might ever own if done correctly. ![]()
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I had an 80% poly lower given to me as a gift. It came w/ the one time use fixture and the drill bits and end mill bits to do all the work. I already had an multi axis vise, yet still did it on a mill as opposed to a drill press. Harbor Frieght has the vise you need for around $30. And yes "build parties" or using equipment that's not yours is a big slap on the pee pee. That being said I may have an extra set of the bits needed I would sell you cheap. But maybe in future posts a little tact goes a long way
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Wasn't the ATF opinion that lending time on machine tools made a person a manufacturer? I thought that was what they said a couple/few years ago when the CA thing happened. IIRC the unfinished AR15 lowers owners were also taking them to a machine shop, the owner of the shop was setting them in his CNC mill, and 20 min later the owner of the lower walked out with a finished unmarked firearm receiver.
Lending a jig or bits for someone to do at home was not covered. I think that opinion also covered lending your milling machine in your shop to someone else. It was all about machine time. |
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Without a vote from Congress, ATFE Director, B. Todd Jones, released the following ruling, which makes it illegal for a machine shop to rent or loan their equipment to a private individual so that individual may complete an 80% receiver. It is also illegal for a private individual to complete an 80% in their friend or neighbor’s garage using using the friend’s equipment. Essentially this means the only way to complete an 80% lower is to buy your own equipment (jig, drill press, drill bits, or CNC machine, etc.) and finish it in your own home.http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fil...unsmithing.pdf
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If we look at the situation, it is a far stretch for our masters to be able to say what one can do with one's own possessions.
BUT... it has obviously happened. So where does this end? Take a step, take a mile. Moral of the story is, "The truth is what they say it is". They also reserve the "right" change "opinios" are any time to suit there needs. All without congressional vote and yet somehow it carries weight of law. Certain agencies that are redundant to local and state counterparts are uneasy about loosing their funding and jobs. So suddenly they are ready to renegotiate 16 topics. Times are changin. There's a new sheriff in town boys! Getting the popcorn ready. |
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...fjqu95VH9pwjuA And throw in Obama executive order from Jan 2016 and we're pretty much at stalemate when comes to loaning equipment for "further processing", finishing, or anything more than a wrench. An action wrench, reaction rod or anything that doesn't alter a parts dimensions, adds holes, threads or such is likely not going to raise any eyebrows. That said, total stranger will stop and help if broke down on side of road but wouldn't dare let them use my mill and jigs for a fire arms project. I hate it as before all these rulings more parts were done on my machines by others than me. Had a couple guys would have stuff of mine waiting for when they showed to do for me as better machinists than I am. Reverse the ATF ruling linked and the DDTC/ITAR then my place will be open for anyone to make metal shavings fly.
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I also understand the joy of building your own. I roll my own. But I am interested in owning firearms that are off paper. I have a CC and have filled out my share of 4473s. But dot.gov doesn't need to know about all the firearms I've legally collected. With decent $89 lowers readily available, I assumed that was the point. Really, no offense intended.
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Hmmmm. Isn't getting help to build a rifle what this place is about? I build a FAL with the help I got on the other board, very happy with it, and was looking to take advantage of a freebie. I simply asked for a little shop time for beer or whatever. Never asked anyone to do anything that would get them in trouble for anything. It's a project that dropped in my lap. Always wanted to build one, and now have the excuse. It has it's own jig and all instructions/videos. Seems very straight forward. Nothing to do with an "untraceable rifle" but everything to do with building a rifle. Apparently I started something unintended. However, if anyone would be able to help, that would be greatly appreciated.
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Tack? Hmmm. I see nothing rude about asking for shop time. If that is how it is looked upon here. so be it. No insult meant to anyone.
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Sorry to offend... but the fact remains that you asked for something that (even though really stupid) is illegal. I don't make nor agree w/ a lot of laws. I was posting the atf stuff because someone asked for law not opinions. Like I said I may have a set of bits (drill and high speed end mill) I'll let you "buy" for the price to ship them to you. It's a fun process and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Let me know if you're interested in my offer. Hopefully I still have them I'll check the shop tomorrow. Cheers
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I don't think asking for help is a no no. And I don't think loaning tools is a no no either. I've read all 'their' rules and I think they mainly apply to businesses. No where does it say an individual can't loan their tools. Helping out a guy here or there is one thing, holding build parties and building en mass is another. Getting paid to help build a firearm would certainly be crossing the line for me. I suggest that you do your own due diligence, read the rules make your own decision.
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I appreciate all the information. Living in the PRK (Peoples' Rebublic of Kalifornia) the rules seem to be changing on a weekly basis. I will find a way to get this done, well, because who doesn't need a new project or new rifle? Goal is as cheap as possible for the first one, just for the experience and to learn the platform. After, if I fall in love (like THAT isn't going to happen) I'll then do up a good one. Have a good day all.
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Any person (including any corporation or other legal entity) engaged in the business of performing machining, molding, casting, forging, printing (additive manufacturing) or other manufacturing process to create a firearm frame or receiver, or to make a frame or receiver suitable for use as part of a “weapon … which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,” i.e., a “firearm,” must be licensed as a manufacturer under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA); identify (mark) any such firearm; and maintain required manufacturer’s records. A business (including an association or society) may not avoid the manufacturing license, marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by allowing persons to perform manufacturing processes on firearms (including frames or receivers) using machinery or equipment under its dominion and control where that business controls access to, and use of, such machinery or equipment. ATF Ruling 2010-10 is hereby Clearly states "In the business" and explains in detail. If I let anyone come to my house and use my drill press to finish a receiver it would be legal as my personal property and house are not "In the business" as defined in this ruling. |
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How was I to know O.P. has a second account. Believe having multiple accounts has gotten others in a lurch around here. Had O.P. posted from 2006 account with over 300 posts would have replied much differently. Still would have recomended buying a tabletop drill press and inexpensive jig. Lots of people run businesses out of their houses and garage. With the huge amount of BATFE and DDTC/ITAR rulings without being sure how many executive orders Obama passed in last week's and days in office consider it wise for anyone to be careful. I admitted to having tools loaned out and borrowed. Tap I have on loan could be for anything, just a size not in any of my sets. Torque wrench is just a torque wrench but reaction rod and AR combo wrench are gunsmithing tools. Loaned to someone have met FTF and communicated with often. A two post account where only posts asked for help building in Kali is much different than 11 year old account with hundreds of posts. I am confused as to why the extra account as it causes confusion.
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Sleep an average of 1.5 to 3 hours per nigh, all I need. During day have a lot of time waiting on clients, inspectors, etc while out in the field. Sitting on hold with network reliability center waiting to log into or out of a site can take time. Too easy to pick up tablet rather than stare blindly into space.
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I stand corrected... my offer still stands to the OP, iffin' you want the bits, cover the shipping and you can have them...
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"the sale of as few as one or two firearms could constitute being in the business and FFL required if "other criteria" are met without defining term other criteria. What if BATFE says sale of one or two guns and helping someone do gunsmithing constitute "other criteria". Opting out on becoming a test case to get run up through the court system" Guess what the word sale means SALE period. And that does not allow the ATF to outlaw to private parties helping each other to build a firearm where no sale is involved. This makes your example seem very silly. The words "what if" are way over used by people afraid of everything as an excuse do nothing. As stated above your 1.5 to 3 hours of sleep per day claim explains a lot. Your posts are confusing at best and pure crap at worst. Are you on disability or are you doing service work?? You have claimed both but that would not be legal would it. Please explain. FYI the medical experts in this field state that adults require a minimum of 5 to 9 hours per night to function normally and 7 to 9 hours is recommended. |
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Some days start late and quit early, for some time when back was at its worst, on regular pain medication, had an employee come by house and drive truck to work and job sites. Still do if have to take pain medication and time sensitive job looming. Don't leave the house if back hurts bad enough to need medication unless have a driver. If starts hurting that bad during the day go home. This issue is becoming less frequent as rehab and regular radio frequency ablations are managing pain pretty well. Was on the road this morning till now, currently at shop unloading and reloading truck to make second set of locations for the day. Did stop on way back, checked on wife and took care of a couple small things she needed. Soon as finish loading truck plan to shoot a little as put a new set of sights on one of my SIG's use with the Osprey suppressor. One of the 9mm 2022's came with threaded barrel and tall sights, the other added a threaded barrel and sight clearance even with the oblong Osprey was not enough for good sight picture. Need to verify them plus gun is fun to shoot with 147 grain subsonic. Quote:
My neurologist specializes in sleep issues and been to a sleep lab for over a dozen sleep studies. Developed central sleep apnea after pituitary cancer ate my pituitary causing thyroid, adrenals and other endocrinology issues. Also suffered a head injury during this time frame so doctors are unsure which or combination of both caused apnea. The time I do sleep now use a BiPAP Auto Server Ventilator to regulate breathing. It actually decreased average sleep cycle time even more as process more oxygen and have less interruptions in sleep cycle. http://www.usa.philips.com/healthcar...utosv-advanced Sleep studies show usually start REM sleep within 15 minutes of nodding off, stay in REM for one to two hours and then when come out wake up quickly. In my 1.5 to 3 hours of sleep average almost two hours of REM sleep per night over a months log. ![]() Every minute sleeping am tethered to a pulse oximeter that is worn like a watch and data is logged with BiPAP ASV for sleep center. That is as much REM time as most people who sleep 7 to 9 hours per night. Doc said it works so leave it alone, medicating just for the sake of looking at the inside of eyelids is not worth side effects. I get full REM sleep, don't feel tired or drowsy, manage to get my work done, recreate as much as desire and manage to make my own way through life without punching a clock or answering to a supervisor or Human Resources Department. Would prefer that had not been rear ended breaking back and neck, would prefer not having had the pituitary issue whack my endocrinology functions but have made it work and the sleep thing is a non issue according to my neurologist. What a segway this thread has taken just because people questioned a two post user's somewhat odd request. Now do we throw the others with similar questions to O.P. on the griddle or just grinding the ax on me? I really don't care as have a fresh pair of Depends on at the moment.
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My god you are full of crap . Please read your own post.
"A new member that doesn't even introduce himself then make a few posts to get a little feel for the group, has no Marketplace transaction record who lives in Kali"fornication" whose first post is asking for FAL work done in South Kali and second to use someone's equipment in Kali to finish 80% lowers seems like a troll at best and narc at worst." Did you forget due to lack of sleep?? That sure looks to be a lot more than a little sarcastic and in fact very rude. You just called the man, someone you have no idea about a troll at best and a narc at worst and you think that its not rude. And now you have "Short Sleeper Syndrome" A condition that affects an extremely small number of people and is very rare according to a Google search . It is amazing the number of medical conditions that you have and your are still able to work 16 hour days and still take care of your disabled wife. If Hollywood made a soap opera based on your posts no one would believe it as it is to much BS even for Hollywood. Based on your posts you have built more firearms than most manufactures, machine your own firearm parts and own a very large arsenal of firearms and NFA items. Please cut back to just half of your current level of BS |
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If any y'all gonna quote huey please, please edit the bubble. It's bad enough with the muddy original post so please spare a second WoT cause, my scrolling finger is getting a terrible cramp.
MODS: Could we get a "skip BS post" button? Take us right to the next post without getting severe eye strain or, a bad case of SFS (scroll finger syndrome). TIA ![]()
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Now to my last question. Are others who asked same questions going to be called out or is this personal? I don't care but at least say if your really bothered or just hating on me.
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Just shinin' on you huey, just a shinin' you.........
I think you're OK
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Not worried bout you, learned a while back you like to pull the chain just to be doing or sticking your finger on the wall to see if the wet paint sign should still be up.
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Now to my last question. Are others who asked same questions going to be called out or is this personal? I don't care but at least say if your really bothered or just hating on me.[/QUOTE]
As I have "called out" other posters in this thread it is not personal I just call bullshit when I see it. Just tired of the long winded BS posts that are full of inaccurate or complete bullshit information. You make claims / statements that are total BS and then go to great lengths to defend your BS. Your long list of "health issues" are always brought up in your defense of you BS posts as they somehow have anything to due with the subject. Your most likely a good guy but the bullshit is very deep in most of your posts. |
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After a few posts where responses were quoted in entirety without trimming 2barearms asked this which continued to drag up medical questions. In past, like others, have been open with issues been going through and people have latched on continuing to drag up as some means of leverage in debates that my health is not relevant but answer questions when asked. Asked in post 32. Quote:
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Along with others, quoted and linked some current regulations. Also mentioned till all the last minute executive orders, regulations passed by DDTC/ITAR and BATFE opinions are disclosed, rolled out in court and ruled on by higher courts am personally going to refrain from machining and buy finished parts plus be careful who I loan firearms specific tools. Admitted to loaning tools at this moment to people I know well known, actually to a licensed FFL. So now back on topic, O.P. Said in post Quote:
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I see the reason for this thread as to expose the inordinate number of regulations passed, people arrested, fined or put under gag orders in recent years so people that don't keep up with such at least know that we are currently living in a society where even discussing how a firearm functions online could land a person in a bind. These subjects need to be discussed, our legislators contacted and asked to clean this mess up. All this said am about to drive to a local FFL to use three of my tools have loaned to them (they use daily, I only need on occasion) along with borrow two of theirs to complete an upper with a supressor mount. To make it more "kosher" will be an employee for the few minutes am behind the gun counter and if a couple of jobs are backed up while there will knock them out to be of some help. So while I do point such information out, do use own judgement at times to wander the lines knowing regulations are muddy. My health nor sleep cycles have anything to do with more regulations being approved in recent years than able to count. Can o worms spilled on mommas floor again...
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You are again proving my point.
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