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Old December 27, 2012, 14:01   #1
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Ron Paul turns against the nra

http://conservativebyte.com/2012/12/...tions-schools/

So is the the much praised Ron Paul you guys have always drooled over. Seems to me he is a turning his back on the NRA.

THE TITLE CHANGE IS FOR ALL OF THE WHINERS OUT THERE ABOUT MY USE OF THE TERM TURN COAT. If Paul was truly on our side he would not turn his back on the NRA.
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Old December 27, 2012, 14:19   #2
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I think he's always been against creating a government mandated police state. It does cost money to hire more cops. I'm in the boat that responsible citizens should be armed anywhere and everywhere. If those citizens happen to be teachers, janitors, principals, or lunch ladies then all the better. Turncoat rhetoric seems to miss the point of the personal responsibility expoused by most libertarians. More armed government employees is the least desirable outcome in all this for myself but if it's their only answer I guess we can always print up more money and benefits...
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Old December 27, 2012, 14:48   #3
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I think he's always been against creating a government mandated police state. It does cost money to hire more cops. I'm in the boat that responsible citizens should be armed anywhere and everywhere. If those citizens happen to be teachers, janitors, principals, or lunch ladies then all the better. Turncoat rhetoric seems to miss the point of the personal responsibility expoused by most libertarians. More armed government employees is the least desirable outcome in all this for myself but if it's their only answer I guess we can always print up more money and benefits...
Not to mention there are already enough officers to make sure none of the adults(save the 1 who chose to ignore laws on murder) in the building were able to put up a defense.
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He lives in a cloistered world, set back in the 1840's..........always did.

His books on the economics date back to Andrew Jackson and the Austrian schools roots that date from Jacksonian economics too...........it was Jackson who destroyed the National Bank.........but we went through that long ago.
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Old December 27, 2012, 14:30   #5
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I think he had a problem with the gov paying for it. I don't think he had a problem with the NRA's program of volunteers.
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Old December 27, 2012, 14:39   #6
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Works just fine in NYS............
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Old December 27, 2012, 17:57   #7
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I think he had a problem with the gov paying for it.
Some of the points I picked up on: government security.......another kind of violence.....do not justify...Orwellian.

I think he was spot on.
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Old December 27, 2012, 14:50   #8
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He lives in a cloistered world, set back in the 1840's..........always did.

His books on the economics date back to Andrew Jackson and the Austrian schools roots that date from Jacksonian economics too...........it was Jackson who destroyed the National Bank.........but we went through that long ago.
The economic flavors you promote have worked so well down through the years. I would hate to see what you consider a failure of ideas you promote.
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So is the the much praised Ron Paul you guys have always drooled over. Seems to me he is a turn coat.
Sir, you have an odd notion of what a turn coat is to say the least. I take it you did in fact read the article? Do you really want more government provided security? Provided by the same government that sells guns to Mexican drug cartels and supports Al Qaeda over in Libya and Syria (and lies about it)?

BTW, I'm guessing he also breaks with the NRA on whether or not the NFA is constitutional--would that make him a traitor also? If so, traitor to whom?
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Old December 27, 2012, 18:50   #10
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... and supports Al Qaeda over in Libya and Syria (and lies about it)?
If our government had the balls to tell a particular segment of our military "Identify them, find them, kill them.", the global stage would be vastly different in twelve months. But nobody in washington is going to say that. Least of all the CIC.
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Seems like this is Ron being Ron...Government is never the correct answer.

We really need to figure out how to let people buy a clue.
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Sorry, but anyone who knows anything about Dr. Paul knows he's hardly being "a turncoat", but rather, standing up for Libertarian principles. He still has my respect.
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Sir, you have an odd notion of what a turn coat is to say the least. I take it you did in fact read the article? Do you really want more government provided security? Provided by the same government that sells guns to Mexican drug cartels and supports Al Qaeda over in Libya and Syria (and lies about it)?

BTW, I'm guessing he also breaks with the NRA on whether or not the NFA is constitutional--would that make him a traitor also? If so, traitor to whom?
Yep sure did.
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Seems to me he is a turn coat.
Seems to me he would to you.
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Ron Paul a turncoat?Seriously?

All these years and you have learned nothing.NOTHING.
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Ron Paul a turncoat?Seriously?

All these years and you have learned nothing.NOTHING.
Old dog and new tricks? Haven't you heard it just ain't happening?
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So is the the much praised Ron Paul you guys have always drooled over. Seems to me he is a turn coat.
He said that the government shouldn't pay for it. That is not a turncoat - that is someone who doesn't want the federal government expanding their operations and/or extending their reach beyond what the Constitution (the law - remember?) calls for.

He also said that shrill calls for government intervention are not correct either.

Remember - it was the NRA that brought the '68 GCA. There are your turncoats.
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So is the the much praised Ron Paul you guys have always drooled over. Seems to me he is a turn coat.
Oh bollocks. Ron Paul never said anything that makes him a traitor or turncoat. The simple, plain and most effective answer to school violence is to allow or require some (or all if they so chose) of the teachers to be armed whenever they are at work. This doesn't require the Federal govt to do a damn thing except STFU and let the states take care of it.

Ever heard the phrase "A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." and this is what RP is railing against. Sure, lets trust the govt with more power...... The NRA exists to ensure it's own survival and they have screwed us all many times over.

In addition, a simple way of getting this country back to where it needs to be is eliminating much of the welfare handed out to the lazy and philandering douchebags.

And while I respect the service of martin, lets not kid ourselves that the guys who fought in any war since WW2 were doing so to save any rights for the citizens of the United States of America. Treaty obligations are something we NEVER should have gotten involved with ever and the Monroe doctrine should still be extant today. Anyone who legitimately threatens the safety and security of the US can easily be dealt with by sufficient use of SF or the ultimate sanction of a nuke or two. Stop trying to win friends and influence people; the US needs to be feared, not fuggin' liked by one and all.

And that's my message of peace and hope for the New Year; f*ck with us and we'll kill you ALL with a big fuggin' bomb from a long way away.....
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Oh bollocks. Ron Paul never said anything that makes him a traitor or turncoat. The simple, plain and most effective answer to school violence is to allow or require some (or all if they so chose) of the teachers to be armed whenever they are at work. This doesn't require the Federal govt to do a damn thing except STFU and let the states take care of it.

Ever heard the phrase "A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." and this is what RP is railing against. Sure, lets trust the govt with more power...... The NRA exists to ensure it's own survival and they have screwed us all many times over.

In addition, a simple way of getting this country back to where it needs to be is eliminating much of the welfare handed out to the lazy and philandering douchebags.

And while I respect the service of martin, lets not kid ourselves that the guys who fought in any war since WW2 were doing so to save any rights for the citizens of the United States of America. Treaty obligations are something we NEVER should have gotten involved with ever and the Monroe doctrine should still be extant today. Anyone who legitimately threatens the safety and security of the US can easily be dealt with by sufficient use of SF or the ultimate sanction of a nuke or two. Stop trying to win friends and influence people; the US needs to be feared, not fuggin' liked by one and all.

And that's my message of peace and hope for the New Year; f*ck with us and we'll kill you ALL with a big fuggin' bomb from a long way away.....
This is a brilliant post. Gman I hope you're a big wig in the department you're part of.
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So is the the much praised Ron Paul you guys have always drooled over. Seems to me he is a turning his back on the NRA.

THE TITLE CHANGE IS FOR ALL OF THE WHINERS OUT THERE ABOUT MY USE OF THE TERM TURN COAT. If Paul was truly on our side he would not turn his back on the NRA.
The NRA is wrong on this.

I've been a Life Member of the NRA for over 20 years, and I'm against Federal mandated armed guards in schools too.

It should be a LOCAL matter whether a school system wants armed security in their schools, NOT the Federal government.
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