762x39 Bolt

45x4 · August 27, 2012, 12:24

I have been thinking alot lately about the usefulness of a 762x39 bolt action rifle. Very cheap to shoot, cast bullets, mild report with mild loads, etc..

A rifle of this type could be loaded in so many ways, and offer great utility. My question is, what would be the most cost effective (cheap) action to build this on?

ramiller · August 27, 2012, 13:59

been there done that best course of action purchase a CZ527 in 7.62 X 39, you might be able to do it cheaper but not better. YMMV

fnogger · August 27, 2012, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramiller

been there done that best course of action purchase a CZ527 in 7.62 X 39, you might be able to do it cheaper but not better. YMMV

This.

Although the Remington 799 (and Interarms MiniMauser Mark X before that - same gun) was available in 762x39

I've also seen NEF single shots in the caliber, but they disappeared years ago.

You can also convert a Carcano - the bolt face is right, and you can use an Enfield barrel since the 303 chamber is a "long" version of the x39 cartridge - check the gunsmithing forum, theres a guy there doing this conversion now.

Retired Bum · August 27, 2012, 17:28

Just over 20 years ago I purchased a Ruger M77 Mark II stainless steel bolt action chambered for the 7.62x39 round. It was one of 5000 made for Davidson's as I recall. It has the Zytel fiberglass stock with wooden inserts in the handguard. These days Ruger calls their stainless and fiberglass rifles "All Weather" models.

I equipped mine with a Bushnell 3x9 variable scope using the supplied Ruger rings. I have shot various US made factory ammo in and a variety of handloads. The Winchester white box USA 123 grain FMJ does 1.5 inch at 100 yards off the benchrest. My best handloaded round uses the Hornady 123 grain JSP over AA#1680. This load does one inch at 100 yards and chrono's just over 2350 fps from the 22 inch barrel.

I bought a RCBS mold for a 130 grain bullet designed for the 7.62x39. I cast up two hundred of them and then heat treated them for extra hardness. Swaged on .30 gaschecks. I really didn't expect much in the way of accuracy but this bullet did better than I expected. It chrono'd at a modest 1800 fps and put five rounds into 2.6 inches at 100 yards. Good enough for inexpensive plinking at clay pigeons set up on the 100 yard berm.

I found that milsurp rounds aren't reliable in the Ruger. The extra hard primers won't detonate without repeated hits. Not important to me. I shoot the milsurp rounds in my SKS and MAK-90....

And so it goes.

The Retired One

smee78 · August 27, 2012, 20:25

I to have always kept an eye out for a bolt 7.62x39 but havent ran across one yet. On day I think one will find me, mabye one of thoes Ruger all weather models

fnogger · August 27, 2012, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by smee78

I to have always kept an eye out for a bolt 7.62x39 but havent ran across one yet. On day I think one will find me, mabye one of thoes Ruger all weather models

There are a couple on gunbroker right now... no affiliation, etc. with the auctions

**308bolt** · August 27, 2012, 22:38

Got me one of these:

Kinda neat but I don't know how useful it is.

STGThndr · August 27, 2012, 23:08

Bolt, what th HAIL IS that dang thing, anyway? Don't look like ANYthing I ever seen!

spider991 · August 27, 2012, 23:24

bolt,
what is that, kinda looks like a riger but not, fill me in.

**308bolt** · August 28, 2012, 09:28

It is a Australian International Arms M10-A2 (7.62 x 39)

Files info:
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258225

Article here:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...-a2-7-62-x-39/

**gunplumber** · August 28, 2012, 09:54

similar thread a few years back on a bolt action 5.45x39.

I've wanted one in both calibers as a fair test platform for comparing ammo.

**308bolt** · August 28, 2012, 10:48

For testing loads for velocity and accuracy I've considered building a large, heavy steel block that I could mount or clamp to a bench with one or more holes in it that I could mount various barrels into.
Maybe even something using 5c collets or a three jaw chuck and as simple a firing mechanism as is possible.
I doubt I'll live long enough to pursue all the ideas I have.
Maybe no one does.

**tdb59** · August 28, 2012, 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308bolt

For testing loads for velocity and accuracy I've considered building a large, heavy steel block that I could mount or clamp to a bench with one or more holes in it that I could mount various barrels into.
Maybe even something using 5c collets or a three jaw chuck and as simple a firing mechanism as is possible.
I doubt I'll live long enough to pursue all the ideas I have.
Maybe no one does.

All it takes is money...

http://www.newlenoxordnance.com/univ...--barrels.html

**308bolt** · August 28, 2012, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdb59

All it takes is money...

Or a mill, lathe, tooling and the ability use them.

http://www.newlenoxordnance.com/univ...--barrels.html

That is sort of what I had in mind but since I wouldn't be trying to sell them and I'd probably do a scrap yard type of build using things I have already or can pick up for next to nothing it prolly wouldn't turn out that purdy.

spider991 · August 28, 2012, 13:45

ok, that is a pretty nice daggone rifle, i need to findone,lol...actually just missd one on an auction sit

**308bolt** · August 28, 2012, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by spider991

ok, that is a pretty nice daggone rifle, i need to findone,lol...actually just missd one on an auction sit

If you find one you better buy it right quick.
Estimates vary but as far as I've been able to find out there is definitely less that 250 and maybe as few as 185 in the U.S.
I aspired to get a .308 target version but now that AIA has gone out of business I don't think that's ever going to happen.

Artful · August 28, 2012, 18:51

I like my Mauser conversion. - uses WASR single stack mags

zombie hunter · August 28, 2012, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308bolt

For testing loads for velocity and accuracy I've considered building a large, heavy steel block that I could mount or clamp to a bench with one or more holes in it that I could mount various barrels into.
Maybe even something using 5c collets or a three jaw chuck and as simple a firing mechanism as is possible.
I doubt I'll live long enough to pursue all the ideas I have.
Maybe no one does.

How about a Mann Accuracy Device?

**308bolt** · August 29, 2012, 08:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombie hunter

How about a Mann Accuracy Device?

If the bores are still good I imagine that would build into a heck of a rifle.

fnogger · August 29, 2012, 19:44

Zastava made the ones imported as Remington 799, saw a post about them in 22 hornet now being brought in by Century, checked the website, the 762x39 is coming.. unfortunately for me, this means it is time to start saving my nickles the get one

HankC · September 07, 2012, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45x4

My question is, what would be the most cost effective (cheap) action to build this on?

Savage if you have a source or have a lathe to make a 7.62x39 barrel. Or a small ring mauser where 7.62x39 barrel is available at around $100. I built 2 small ring 7.62x39 and had one 799 in 7.62x39, sold my 799 and keep my mausers. Want to find a Savage barrel but no one making one in 7.62x39.

For those who are capable on lathe, would you please make a few for us. .308 and .311barrel blanks are quite cheap!

ALL FAL · September 07, 2012, 21:19

I have a lathe/end mill despite having tooling and knowledge, would much rather go buy a CZ rifle in the caliber wanted and be shooting it right away. Life is too short.

I wonder if the US and UK gun makers have some kind of restrictions on making commie round rifles and pistols(Tokarev), are they afraid one might do it before them and make a chit pot full O $$$$$ ,, They must not be very good business men or just plain stupid?

MakNorinco · September 08, 2012, 11:21

CZ 527 in x39 as others have said. A nice little carbine, got mine off gunbroker used for $450 with 5 mags

ppo84 · September 08, 2012, 16:30

somebody sent me a flyer.... century I think .... with the Zastava mini mauser listed in 762x39. check their web site it may be listed on there. one of those with some hand loads using heavy tips meant for 762x54 might really thump as a brush gun.

**K. Funk** · September 09, 2012, 05:57

I have a 93 Mauser action and a Numrich 7.62 x 39 conversion barrel and mag block at the gunsmith right now. I should have it back any day. I like the WASR single stack mag, might have to look into that. I'll post pics when I get it.

krf

HankC · September 10, 2012, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by K. Funk

I have a 93 Mauser action and a Numrich 7.62 x 39 conversion barrel and mag block at the gunsmith right now.
krf

You may wish to swap the extractor with an extended one; otherwise, it may not eject well. Extraction should be fine, extended extractor blank is available from stores like Midway.

45x4 · September 10, 2012, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by K. Funk

I have a 93 Mauser action and a Numrich 7.62 x 39 conversion barrel and mag block at the gunsmith right now. I should have it back any day. I like the WASR single stack mag, might have to look into that. I'll post pics when I get it.

krf

Is a '93 strong enough for this?

**bykerhd** · September 17, 2012, 08:05

Interarms use to import the Zastava mini-Mauser in 7.62 x 39 many years ago, I believe.

CZ would be the best bet for a new bolt rifle in 7.62 x 39.
The ones I've handled have been very nice.
No idea how they actually shoot though.

Peconga · September 18, 2012, 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45x4

Is a '93 strong enough for this?

Well, the Mauser M1893 was originally chambered for a full-size 7x57 which according to SAAMI spec has a maximum chamber pressure of 51,000 PSI. Compare this to the 7.62x39 which is rated at 45,000 PSI (assuming it is not being stuffed into an undersized .308" bore).

Personally, I think a Mauser M1893/95 conversion to 7.62x39 would be great fun, and the WASR mag conversion looks especially appealing. Many of them have already been converted to 7.62x51 NATO which is arguably beyond the safety limit the early actions. As a result, downgrading to the smaller cartridge is almost a public service.

I wonder if using a take-off barrel from an Argentine Mauser in 7.65x53 might be the way to go? IIRC, the bore on those is correct at .311" and there are plenty of cheap barrels around from sporterized M1909 Argies. Of course you still get to cut and chamber, but the barrels themselves are almost throw-aways due to the odd caliber (to American tastes).

LYCAN · September 18, 2012, 00:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by bykerhd

CZ would be the best bet for a new bolt rifle in 7.62 x 39.

No idea how they actually shoot though.

tack drivers...

**308bolt** · September 18, 2012, 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by LYCAN

tack drivers...

I always get a chuckle out of that term after watching a guy sight in his 7mm magnum at 100 yards, shooting a pie plate pattern and then declaring his gun a tack driver and walking away with a smug look on his face.
Tacks are a lot smaller where I come from.

HankC · September 18, 2012, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peconga

the WASR mag conversion looks especially appealing.

The only problem is the single stack AK mag is getting hard to find!

**K. Funk** · November 19, 2012, 10:46

OK...I finally got my Mauser back. Here's what we got......

Had it out for function test and it cycled well. Gonna try to get it to the range today to see how she prints.

krf

ftierson · November 19, 2012, 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by HankC

The only problem is the single stack AK mag is getting hard to find!

I have one of the CZ527 'Carbine Rifles' in 7.62x39mm, which I'm quite happy with...

Keep in mind that the mags for the CZ527 aren't available at every 711 either, nor are they cheap.

Just sayin'...

Forrest

**bykerhd** · November 19, 2012, 14:06

ftierson, a friend of mine has been mulling over the idea of buying one of the CZ 527s in 7.62 x 39.

He hasn't pulled the trigger because he is unsure how it will shoot with current import ammo.
Or, what of it the carbine might actually shoot well and what to stay away from ?

Any input or suggestions ?

ramiller · November 19, 2012, 19:12

best to load you own, I use Hornady 123 grain v-max with reloader #7 , Winchester case and primers, velocity 2350 fps. groups around a inch from by CZ 527 depending on the day. you will need to do some work on the set trigger to get it right, otherwise great rifle.

gunsmoke · November 20, 2012, 01:33

Loading data for an M43 Bolt gun with a .308 bore but raises interesting possibilities of an AR or AK with a .308 bore.

Suggests equal o greater utilty than a .300 AAC? Noveske .300 AAC bbl rechambered to .308 x 39mm?

http://www.accuratereloading.com/76239.html

**bykerhd** · November 20, 2012, 09:04

Haven't some manufacturers, maybe Ruger ?, actually produced their 7.62 x 39 rifles with .308 barrels ?

And then, how did they work out, and how might they have worked out with .308 bullets instead of .310 ?
If they did it.

zombie hunter · November 20, 2012, 09:12

The advantages of 300 AAC Blackout are AR-15 friendliness (due to smaller rim size and less taper) and subsonic and supersonic loads cycling the same semi-auto action. I was under the impression 7.62x39 is actually a very capable cartridge when hand-loaded and fired from a quality rifle.

fnogger · November 20, 2012, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by bykerhd

Haven't some manufacturers, maybe Ruger ?, actually produced their 7.62 x 39 rifles with .308 barrels ?

And then, how did they work out, and how might they have worked out with .308 bullets instead of .310 ?
If they did it.

The mini-30 did it by having a tapered bore, starting at 311 and going down to 308 at the muzzle. Dunno if they still do that or not, or what teh 77 Mk II did/does.

gunsmoke · November 21, 2012, 02:07

With 150 gr bullets the X39 can easily maintain 1k+ ftlbs at 200 meters making it a good clean deer killer at 200 meters as long as you can place your bullets.

Both Speer and Sierra make .310 150s In use the Speer Hot Cors and VVN130 very very accurate in all my AKs.

.308 Bore raises a very interesting possibility with the Hornady 160 gr LEVEREVOLUTION bullet, Boatailed for better velocity retention flatter trajectory as long as you can maintain 1000 ft lbs and place your bullet you've got a useful hunting round, alot cheaper~easier than .300 AAC brass

STGThndr · November 21, 2012, 05:09

Nice lookin Mauser re-do! Especially like that scope mounting job.. so much better, and better looking than the sight-mounted EER scopes. I would imagine it will serve you well. Was the bolt difficult to move out of the way?
Got me wondering how one of the smaller Spanish 93 mausers would do in 7.62X39... the carbines considered too hot for commercial .308 ammo. It would need re-chambering and headspacing? Maybe some adjustment of the extractor and ejector... Any one put any thought or work along these ideas? Thought about it some years ago and dropped it for an SKS....

gunsmoke · November 21, 2012, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombie hunter

The advantages of 300 AAC Blackout are AR-15 friendliness (due to smaller rim size and less taper) and subsonic and supersonic loads cycling the same semi-auto action. I was under the impression 7.62x39 is actually a very capable cartridge when hand-loaded and fired from a quality rifle.

http://www.ebr-inc.net/762x39JackhammerSubsonic.html

http://www.mgi-military.com/

**K. Funk** · November 21, 2012, 21:20

I had the 1893 out to test her legs. First outing was dissapointing, shotgun pattern and the adjustments on the scope were fruitless. Then I discovered the scope was wobbly...My buddy who did the hand guard work had to take the scope off to install. So after tightening and re-zeroing, things worked out much better. The rifle actually shot a group with Barnaul FMJ. I had a 10 shot group that measured about 2-1/2", which was better than the guy next to me with a 760 in .270 Win. Things opened up to about 3-1/2" for the next 20 rounds, but I was running them with no break and the barrel was starting to heat up. Deer season is next week and the Fudds at the range were kind of annoyed at my sending 10 rounds down range to their one. Overall I'm pretty happy. I have what I set out to do which is make a bolt action 7.62 x 39 rifle that is utilitarian and will work if called upon with whatever ammo is available. The other thing that makes me happy is that this receiver was Gunga Din's. I got it as a barrelled action project he was working on after he passed away and it sat lifeless for a number of years. I know he would be happy knowing it was making fire again.

krf

gunsmoke · November 21, 2012, 21:47

Congratulations, you did a great job and built a great utilitarian rifle!

If you get around to trying any of the Silver Bear 154 gr. or the CorBon 150 hunters please let us know how they shoot! My personal favorite bullet is the Speer HotCor 150 .310, very accurate bullet, if you handload you may want to find out what they can do in your '93.

Best wishes!

HankC · November 26, 2012, 19:33

I built 2 small ring 7.62x39 mausers with Numerich barrels. I believe they are 308 bores. Shoot well with Wolf ammo. Had a Remington 799 Mini Mauser in 7.62x39 and it can shoots group size covered by a quarter with Wolf MC Hollow Point at 50 yds. Sold the 799 since my Mausers are not far behind and much cheaper! Mini Mauser parts are hard to find too.

August 27, 2012, 23:08	#8
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August 28, 2012, 09:28	#10
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,521	It is a Australian International Arms M10-A2 (7.62 x 39) Files info: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258225 Article here: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...-a2-7-62-x-39/ __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

August 28, 2012, 09:54	#11
gunplumber Arrogant Bastard Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 96 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 15,916	similar thread a few years back on a bolt action 5.45x39. I've wanted one in both calibers as a fair test platform for comparing ammo. __________________ T. Mark Graham Master Gunsmith Arizona Response Systems, LLC

August 28, 2012, 10:48	#12
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,521	For testing loads for velocity and accuracy I've considered building a large, heavy steel block that I could mount or clamp to a bench with one or more holes in it that I could mount various barrels into. Maybe even something using 5c collets or a three jaw chuck and as simple a firing mechanism as is possible. I doubt I'll live long enough to pursue all the ideas I have. Maybe no one does. __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

August 28, 2012, 13:45	#15
spider991 Registered FALaholic #: 35820 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 587	ok, that is a pretty nice daggone rifle, i need to findone,lol...actually just missd one on an auction sit Last edited by spider991; August 28, 2012 at 13:55.

August 27, 2012, 12:24	#1
45x4 Registered FALaholic #: 18539 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: idaho Posts: 265	762x39 Bolt I have been thinking alot lately about the usefulness of a 762x39 bolt action rifle. Very cheap to shoot, cast bullets, mild report with mild loads, etc.. A rifle of this type could be loaded in so many ways, and offer great utility. My question is, what would be the most cost effective (cheap) action to build this on? __________________ Those who beat their swords into plow shares, will end up plowing for those who didn't. Ben Franklin.

August 27, 2012, 13:59	#2
ramiller Registered FALaholic #: 3674 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 997	been there done that best course of action purchase a CZ527 in 7.62 X 39, you might be able to do it cheaper but not better. YMMV

August 27, 2012, 17:28	#4
Retired Bum Registered FALaholic #: 21904 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,209	Just over 20 years ago I purchased a Ruger M77 Mark II stainless steel bolt action chambered for the 7.62x39 round. It was one of 5000 made for Davidson's as I recall. It has the Zytel fiberglass stock with wooden inserts in the handguard. These days Ruger calls their stainless and fiberglass rifles "All Weather" models. I equipped mine with a Bushnell 3x9 variable scope using the supplied Ruger rings. I have shot various US made factory ammo in and a variety of handloads. The Winchester white box USA 123 grain FMJ does 1.5 inch at 100 yards off the benchrest. My best handloaded round uses the Hornady 123 grain JSP over AA#1680. This load does one inch at 100 yards and chrono's just over 2350 fps from the 22 inch barrel. I bought a RCBS mold for a 130 grain bullet designed for the 7.62x39. I cast up two hundred of them and then heat treated them for extra hardness. Swaged on .30 gaschecks. I really didn't expect much in the way of accuracy but this bullet did better than I expected. It chrono'd at a modest 1800 fps and put five rounds into 2.6 inches at 100 yards. Good enough for inexpensive plinking at clay pigeons set up on the 100 yard berm. I found that milsurp rounds aren't reliable in the Ruger. The extra hard primers won't detonate without repeated hits. Not important to me. I shoot the milsurp rounds in my SKS and MAK-90.... And so it goes. The Retired One

August 27, 2012, 20:25	#5
smee78 Registered FALaholic #: 23873 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Summerville,SC Posts: 26	I to have always kept an eye out for a bolt 7.62x39 but havent ran across one yet. On day I think one will find me, mabye one of thoes Ruger all weather models

August 27, 2012, 22:38	#7
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,521	Got me one of these: Kinda neat but I don't know how useful it is. __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

August 27, 2012, 23:24	#9
spider991 Registered FALaholic #: 35820 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 587	bolt, what is that, kinda looks like a riger but not, fill me in.

August 28, 2012, 18:51	#17
Artful Registered FALaholic #: 10191 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: arizona Posts: 2,191	I like my Mauser conversion. - uses WASR single stack mags __________________ I'm not Fat, just Tactially Padded Last edited by Artful; August 28, 2012 at 18:59.

August 29, 2012, 19:44	#20
fnogger Registered FALaholic #: 51053 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: places Posts: 791	Zastava made the ones imported as Remington 799, saw a post about them in 22 hornet now being brought in by Century, checked the website, the 762x39 is coming.. unfortunately for me, this means it is time to start saving my nickles the get one

September 07, 2012, 21:19	#22
ALL FAL Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 24447 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,244	I have a lathe/end mill despite having tooling and knowledge, would much rather go buy a CZ rifle in the caliber wanted and be shooting it right away. Life is too short. I wonder if the US and UK gun makers have some kind of restrictions on making commie round rifles and pistols(Tokarev), are they afraid one might do it before them and make a chit pot full O $$$$$ ,, They must not be very good business men or just plain stupid? __________________ The Future is ALWAYS Open!! An ARMED society is a POLITE society.

September 08, 2012, 11:21	#23
MakNorinco Registered FALaholic #: 29380 Join Date: May 2007 Location: INDIANA Posts: 902	CZ 527 in x39 as others have said. A nice little carbine, got mine off gunbroker used for $450 with 5 mags __________________ Originally posted by Ssarge Yeah, that really pissed me off when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor!

September 08, 2012, 16:30	#24
ppo84 Registered FALaholic #: 22165 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: nc Posts: 239	somebody sent me a flyer.... century I think .... with the Zastava mini mauser listed in 762x39. check their web site it may be listed on there. one of those with some hand loads using heavy tips meant for 762x54 might really thump as a brush gun.

September 09, 2012, 05:57	#25
K. Funk Real Life Metallurgist Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 38 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Myerstown, PA Posts: 3,955	I have a 93 Mauser action and a Numrich 7.62 x 39 conversion barrel and mag block at the gunsmith right now. I should have it back any day. I like the WASR single stack mag, might have to look into that. I'll post pics when I get it. krf __________________ The Mason-Dixon FAL Association wants YOU!! Ask me for details. You never know what's going on inside the mind of a crazy man!! Check out username kandainv on Gunbroker; always some neat stuff!! FYB!!!!

September 17, 2012, 08:05	#28
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	Interarms use to import the Zastava mini-Mauser in 7.62 x 39 many years ago, I believe. CZ would be the best bet for a new bolt rifle in 7.62 x 39. The ones I've handled have been very nice. No idea how they actually shoot though.

November 19, 2012, 10:46	#33
K. Funk Real Life Metallurgist Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 38 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Myerstown, PA Posts: 3,955	OK...I finally got my Mauser back. Here's what we got...... Had it out for function test and it cycled well. Gonna try to get it to the range today to see how she prints. krf __________________ The Mason-Dixon FAL Association wants YOU!! Ask me for details. You never know what's going on inside the mind of a crazy man!! Check out username kandainv on Gunbroker; always some neat stuff!! FYB!!!!

November 19, 2012, 14:06	#35
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	ftierson, a friend of mine has been mulling over the idea of buying one of the CZ 527s in 7.62 x 39. He hasn't pulled the trigger because he is unsure how it will shoot with current import ammo. Or, what of it the carbine might actually shoot well and what to stay away from ? Any input or suggestions ?

November 19, 2012, 19:12	#36
ramiller Registered FALaholic #: 3674 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 997	best to load you own, I use Hornady 123 grain v-max with reloader #7 , Winchester case and primers, velocity 2350 fps. groups around a inch from by CZ 527 depending on the day. you will need to do some work on the set trigger to get it right, otherwise great rifle.

November 20, 2012, 01:33	#37
gunsmoke Registered FALaholic #: 14772 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: LOUISIANA Posts: 1,197	Loading data for an M43 Bolt gun with a .308 bore but raises interesting possibilities of an AR or AK with a .308 bore. Suggests equal o greater utilty than a .300 AAC? Noveske .300 AAC bbl rechambered to .308 x 39mm? http://www.accuratereloading.com/76239.html __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

November 20, 2012, 09:04	#38
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	Haven't some manufacturers, maybe Ruger ?, actually produced their 7.62 x 39 rifles with .308 barrels ? And then, how did they work out, and how might they have worked out with .308 bullets instead of .310 ? If they did it.

November 20, 2012, 09:12	#39
zombie hunter Registered FALaholic #: 62660 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 312	The advantages of 300 AAC Blackout are AR-15 friendliness (due to smaller rim size and less taper) and subsonic and supersonic loads cycling the same semi-auto action. I was under the impression 7.62x39 is actually a very capable cartridge when hand-loaded and fired from a quality rifle.

November 21, 2012, 02:07	#41
gunsmoke Registered FALaholic #: 14772 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: LOUISIANA Posts: 1,197	With 150 gr bullets the X39 can easily maintain 1k+ ftlbs at 200 meters making it a good clean deer killer at 200 meters as long as you can place your bullets. Both Speer and Sierra make .310 150s In use the Speer Hot Cors and VVN130 very very accurate in all my AKs. .308 Bore raises a very interesting possibility with the Hornady 160 gr LEVEREVOLUTION bullet, Boatailed for better velocity retention flatter trajectory as long as you can maintain 1000 ft lbs and place your bullet you've got a useful hunting round, alot cheaper~easier than .300 AAC brass __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

November 21, 2012, 05:09	#42
STGThndr Registered FALaholic #: 14583 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Southern Colorado mtns and desert Posts: 3,409	Nice lookin Mauser re-do! Especially like that scope mounting job.. so much better, and better looking than the sight-mounted EER scopes. I would imagine it will serve you well. Was the bolt difficult to move out of the way? Got me wondering how one of the smaller Spanish 93 mausers would do in 7.62X39... the carbines considered too hot for commercial .308 ammo. It would need re-chambering and headspacing? Maybe some adjustment of the extractor and ejector... Any one put any thought or work along these ideas? Thought about it some years ago and dropped it for an SKS.... __________________ Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B Yeats Last edited by STGThndr; November 21, 2012 at 05:17.

November 21, 2012, 21:20	#44
K. Funk Real Life Metallurgist Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 38 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Myerstown, PA Posts: 3,955	I had the 1893 out to test her legs. First outing was dissapointing, shotgun pattern and the adjustments on the scope were fruitless. Then I discovered the scope was wobbly...My buddy who did the hand guard work had to take the scope off to install. So after tightening and re-zeroing, things worked out much better. The rifle actually shot a group with Barnaul FMJ. I had a 10 shot group that measured about 2-1/2", which was better than the guy next to me with a 760 in .270 Win. Things opened up to about 3-1/2" for the next 20 rounds, but I was running them with no break and the barrel was starting to heat up. Deer season is next week and the Fudds at the range were kind of annoyed at my sending 10 rounds down range to their one. Overall I'm pretty happy. I have what I set out to do which is make a bolt action 7.62 x 39 rifle that is utilitarian and will work if called upon with whatever ammo is available. The other thing that makes me happy is that this receiver was Gunga Din's. I got it as a barrelled action project he was working on after he passed away and it sat lifeless for a number of years. I know he would be happy knowing it was making fire again. krf __________________ The Mason-Dixon FAL Association wants YOU!! Ask me for details. You never know what's going on inside the mind of a crazy man!! Check out username kandainv on Gunbroker; always some neat stuff!! FYB!!!!

November 21, 2012, 21:47	#45
gunsmoke Registered FALaholic #: 14772 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: LOUISIANA Posts: 1,197	Congratulations, you did a great job and built a great utilitarian rifle! If you get around to trying any of the Silver Bear 154 gr. or the CorBon 150 hunters please let us know how they shoot! My personal favorite bullet is the Speer HotCor 150 .310, very accurate bullet, if you handload you may want to find out what they can do in your '93. Best wishes! __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

November 26, 2012, 19:33	#46
HankC Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 20436 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 565	I built 2 small ring 7.62x39 mausers with Numerich barrels. I believe they are 308 bores. Shoot well with Wolf ammo. Had a Remington 799 Mini Mauser in 7.62x39 and it can shoots group size covered by a quarter with Wolf MC Hollow Point at 50 yds. Sold the 799 since my Mausers are not far behind and much cheaper! Mini Mauser parts are hard to find too.

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