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Old January 28, 2019, 12:10   #1
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powder measure

Hi, I am reloading 556. I have been using AR Comp AND Varget. My powder measure does not like the shape of the powder. What type measure likes that type powder. Also is there a powder like WC_844 that is easy to measure. I'm using an old No.55 ideal measure.
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Old January 28, 2019, 12:20   #2
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I swear by the Lee Perfect powder measure. Cheap, but works like a champ.

Mine is at least 28 years old, and I guess I have loaded close to 100K rounds with it.

AA2520 is a ball powder you may want to give a try.
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Old January 28, 2019, 12:28   #3
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H335 measures well in my circa 1950s Lyman 55 measure
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Old January 28, 2019, 13:17   #4
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Lee PPM. Isn't Varget a stick powder?
Get close and trickle the rest.
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Old January 28, 2019, 18:31   #5
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I use an old Lyman No55 measure and when I do stick powders, I use all the slides to form the deepest cavity I can. This cuts down on the amount of grains on the top that might have to be cleaved by the drum when you drop the charge. Also, when I throw the handle up, I give it a double tap to help settle the load in the cavity for a more consistent load. Like others have mentioned, I get as close as I can and trickle in the last .2~.5 grains.
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Old January 28, 2019, 18:52   #6
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Gary kicks down the door and yells, "Goddamit, quit wasting time WEIGHING INDIVIDUAL FUGKING POWDER CHARGES!!!"

I hope you DO REALIZE the guys who shoot benchrest competition - that's the one where they shoot for the smallest groups - DO NOT WEIGH POWDER CHARGES!!!

Those guys use very high-quality powder measures, and record the nominal VOLUME amount (whatever the micrometer gizzy on the side of the measure says) ONLY.

Weighing individual powder charges --and DON'T GET ME STARTED -- "trickling" little bits of powder to get the weight to be just-so, is a complete waste of time. I challenge you to tell me that you can hold a 5.56 rifle with sufficient steadiness to discern the difference in point-of-impact between one lot of ammo that has powder charges that are distributed within a limit of 0.2 grains versus a batch that Aloisius Anal "trickled" to each weigh exactly the same.

If you are having trouble cutting grains of Varget with your measure, these are your choices:
  • Switch to TAC - or any similar ball powder
  • Get a better powder measure
  • Mount your existing powder measure better
  • Grow some muscles

I say get a good powder measure that has a solid micrometer gizzy, and make note of the setting on the gizzy when you are recording your load data.

You do still need a scale - but only to get you to within about 0.2 grains of whatever recipie you happen to be using. After that, lock-down the lock-screw on the powder measure, and let rip until all cases are charged.

Use the tube on the trickler as a crack pipe. That's all its any good for.
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Old January 28, 2019, 19:01   #7
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Old January 28, 2019, 19:08   #8
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^^^ I think ball powder is worse than crunching stick powder. It starts gumming up with the fines. BTW:That set up makes me wonder. Damn measure on a stick
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600 yards.

0.2 grains difference powder charge gives you one-third moa variation in elevation.

Who here can hold a rifle so steady that they can actually perceive any difference in point of impact where the variation in powder charge is 0.2 grains?



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Old January 28, 2019, 19:19   #10
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+1 on the ball powders gumming-up the measure.

All it takes is one of those balls to flatten itself between the drum and the housing, and EVERY throw becomes a strength test. (Well, patience test really - its not THAT hard to turn the drum with a chunk of gunpowder jammed in the mechanism, but it sure is an annoyance).

This whole fine-tuning thing just makes my head expload somedays.

The fractional grain thing especially.

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Old January 28, 2019, 21:56   #11
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Listen to Gary.

Get with the times: leave extruded powders for larger calibers and use a ball powder.

I load Ramshot Tac with .224" 55 and 75 gr. Hornady BTHP's. Dillon 550 with the automatic powder measure*. Sub-MOA with both out of all my ARs and XCR. Weighing individual charges is for chumps.




*I even load IMR4895 through the Dillon measure for .308. Works great. +/-0.1 gr.
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Old January 29, 2019, 11:48   #12
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THANKS

Thanks Everyone. I ordered the Lee powder measure. The Varget works better than the AR Comp in the old measure? It seems to be a little softer?
Again thanks ,
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Old January 29, 2019, 17:22   #13
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I use the Lee dipper for 5.56. I don't even weight it any more unless making test ammo (sorry WEG). I just check to make sure I have the right measure.
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My RCBS uniflow seems to cut everything.
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CFE 223, BLC-2, 748, all flow great.
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