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Old February 13, 2018, 08:58   #51
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. Dumbass. The key is to never rely on mechanical safeties, but you still insist that a firing pin block is infallible.
i have and shoot a '98 marlin 12 guage pump, despite the fact that the entire series based on the '98 was recalled for locking system mechanism failures in 1942. the part in question is steel, and steel product quality is my purvue. it's what i do.

i inspected the gun and the part that was known to fail is just fine on mine. i made an informed decision. but this is not what i was talking about with glocks.

it's not whether the mechanism will work, or not. it is that the design lacks a real safety mechanism, entirely.

the lack of a "positive" or "active" safety results in people getting shot unnecessarily by kops who never actually decide to shoot them. it's just a part of an unconsidered chain of reflexive response, rather than a considered deliberate act. i imagine that many non-kop shootings have similar lack of decided action.

i have an acquaintance who is a shrink and specializes in kops. he says they come to him wondering why they keep getting into shit for beating their wives, stealing stuff through police process, drinking themselves into a stupor, using drugs they have frisked off of "perps", and screwing whores on Beaver Street ( i kid you not, the whores in York hang out on Beaver Street).

he says that more than once in his 20 years of practice some kop has come to him and asked him "why they shot that guy". "but i really didn't even know that i was doing it, and maybe i didn't really need to. maybe there was another way".

trouble is, shooting someone dead is creating a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
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Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
"You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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Old February 13, 2018, 09:27   #52
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The issues with mechanical firing pins blocks are well know.
Really? Is that why they are pretty much standard today? It is an additional passive device because the least reliable part of the equation is the operator. These passive devices are to counteract the stupidity of people. (Edit: I think it is a great addition - there just is no real downside. While perfectly confident in carrying a Mk II Browning Hi-Power cocked and locked, I preferred the MK III's firing pin safety. There is just no downside to it.)

Jam the FP block in exactly the right position and the gun still won't fire by itself. You still must pull the trigger.

I will give you $1000 and a new factory Glock of your choice if you can document your factory Glock firing by dropping it.
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Old February 13, 2018, 09:31   #53
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We don't allow loaded firearms into the deer camp cabin.
If there is drinking going on, that makes sense. And hunting rifles, ok. But a personal protection handgun? I am more concerned with people loading and unloading guns around me, then with leaving them holstered.
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Old February 13, 2018, 09:41   #54
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trouble is, shooting someone dead is creating a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I understand that you are stupid, incompetent, and lazy. I understand that you eschew personal responsibility. I understand that you believe adding a manual safety to a double-action revolver will make it "safer".

Just because you are a fcking moron, doesn't mean everyone else is. Some people do not want a manual safety on their revolvers. So Glock remains the most popular handgun in the world, with almost half of all police forces in the USA using them.

I actually don't carry a Glock at all times. I have a Glock in arms reach in the bedroom, the office and the car. Also one in my go-bag. But the gun I carry anytime I'm wearing pants is a S&W Airweight .38. If I also wear a gun on my belt, the J frame becomes a secondary. I'd prefer to carry a G43 or 26, but it doesn't fit my front pocket as well. It has not active safety, although it does have a rebound safety. Despite it being so inherently dangerous, it has yet to do anything by itself.

I wonder, is it more or less dangerous than the Glock?
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Old February 13, 2018, 09:48   #55
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I carried a 1911 and also a BHP while working, and would loved to have an G19 back then.
Both the 1911 and BHP were subject to caked mud/other wet crap blocking the hammer and safety from working at all, everything on both pistols seemed to rust up near overnight, regardless of how much oil we sloshed onto them.
The magazines on the 1911 were subject to rusting to the frame and being unable to remove them without a pry bar.
The 1911 and BHP mags would fill with water, and everything rusted up.
We drilled holes in the magazines, but then they clogged and rusted up nearly overnight.
Are you trying to hint that a 1911 is not the apex of perfection, reliability, and infallibility? Heresy I tell you!

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I will give you $1000 and a new factory Glock of your choice if you can document your factory Glock firing by dropping it.
Please sent $1000

From way back in 1992.

The Glock was the only semiautomatic to fail in a recent round of "drop tests," Mr. Pledger said. In those tests, guns were dropped to the floor from waist height to see if the impact caused them to fire.

"In many cases, the Glock pistols will not pass the drop test," he said. "If you drop it exactly right, it can go off."
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Please sent $1000

From way back in 1992.

The Glock was the only semiautomatic to fail in a recent round of "drop tests," Mr. Pledger said. In those tests, guns were dropped to the floor from waist height to see if the impact caused them to fire.

"In many cases, the Glock pistols will not pass the drop test," he said. "If you drop it exactly right, it can go off."
Sure - as soon as you post the video of you dropping your factory Glock and it firing. Just use a cartridge with the bullet and powder pulled.
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Of course SAFN would omit the source of his quote:

His favorite newspaper, that bastion of Conservative Thinking...The New York Times !

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/15/ny...ose-risks.html

This was all part of the campaign against the adoption of ANY semi auto sidearm by the NYPD in the early 90s.

Now for the record in my opinion Glock type sidearms are an extremely poor choice for the majority of the rank and file Police
First jurisdiction to adopt the G17 series were the St. Paul Police way back in the 80s. The transition was real bad. In less than two years they withdrew them from issue.

The problem was many LEOs could not get their heads around the concept as they were accustomed to DA revolvers or autos like the S&W M39 where they would take up some of the DA trigger travel during the draw.
Whole bunch of SIWs, a number of suspects shot...the lawsuits/settlements went into the multi millions

Glocks are great guns
providing you understand and train on them

NYPD had the same teething issues with their Glocks
that resulted in that crazy heavy New York trigger developed to cut down on the gun going bang when you don't want it to.
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I understand that you are stupid, incompetent, and lazy. I understand that you eschew personal responsibility. I understand that you believe adding a manual safety to a double-action revolver will make it "safer".

Just because you are a fcking moron, doesn't mean everyone else is. ?
this, gentlemen, is what is called an "ad hominem attack". for those of you who do not have 3 years of latin, ad hominem, means "to the man".

this kind of attack is used by those who cannot win an argument through the socratic process, which is what reasonable adults use to resolve conflict. in a socratic process, observable facts are presented for consideration, and a chain of logic based on the facts is created to prove a point. if a superior chain of logic cannot be created to contest the point, the conclusion is agreed upon.

mark seems to be incapable of participating in such a contest, so, instead, responds in a juvenile rage in his moment of incapacity.
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
"You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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this, gentlemen, is what is called an "ad hominem attack".
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buttplumber your level of assholishness is astounding. .. watch the video, stupid... your fragile short dick ego . .. . such a failure . .. marginally functional people like yourself . .. .
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Old February 13, 2018, 12:35   #61
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You clean it loaded??In the house?
I treat all firearms like they're loaded,with caution. We don't allow loaded firearms into the deer camp cabin.
I wait for the 15th negligent discharge to clean it. It's a Glock so sometimes it well over a month between cleanings. And yes, I carry loaded in the house quite often.
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Are you trying to hint that a 1911 is not the apex of perfection, reliability, and infallibility? Heresy I tell you!

Oh hell yea!

The only safety or mechanism I want on a hand gun, actually any firearm, something to insure it does not go off when dropped, shit happens, but other than that, I want that sucker plain dangerous and sure fire at all times.

I've met a lot of people in my life, where no amount of added on safeties to any firearm would make them safe around firearms, nor, cars, trains, boats, walking down the street, sleeping in their beds, using a hammer, etc.

Dumb asses always find a way to do dumb shit.
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this, gentlemen, is what is called an "ad hominem attack". for those of you who do not have 3 years of latin, ad hominem, means "to the man".

this kind of attack is used by those who cannot win an argument through the socratic process, which is what reasonable adults use to resolve conflict. in a socratic process, observable facts are presented for consideration, and a chain of logic based on the facts is created to prove a point. if a superior chain of logic cannot be created to contest the point, the conclusion is agreed upon.

mark seems to be incapable of participating in such a contest, so, instead, responds in a juvenile rage in his moment of incapacity.
Naw, I don't see it that way

1st off this isn't some philosophy forum. A good share of us speak plainly, you included. When you delve into socratic process you probably should be posting on the Huffington Post, not here.

2nd...there is a class of manlet who actually thinks things have set rules
We have very basic rules here.
Don't be a manlet in discussion

3rd...if you are a sensitive Suzi then just put Mark on ignore
I have told a couple folks to do that, shit I know for a fact there are like 5 that have me on it. No butthurt here whatsoever.
me ?
I don't put folks on ignore, I just ignore them

4th...there is no "contest"
Currently I am debating elements of WWII history with V. While we disagree I don't dislike him. We just enjoy confronting one another.
Gives the old fart's life meaning I guess

just saying, lighten up on the elitely nuanced scolding regarding elocution.
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Oh hell yea!

The only safety or mechanism I want on a hand gun, actually any firearm, something to insure it does not go off when dropped, shit happens, but other than that, I want that sucker plain dangerous and sure fire at all times.

I've met a lot of people in my life, where no amount of added on safeties to any firearm would make them safe around firearms, nor, cars, trains, boats, walking down the street, sleeping in their beds, using a hammer, etc.

Dumb asses always find a way to do dumb shit.
This, exactly. A moron is a single-point failure for any mechanical safety device. Add three safety devices on a pistol and you still have a single common-mode point of failure. Additional safeties are useless from an engineering standpoint as long as they have a common point of failure and since the moron factor can be eliminated by (drum roll, wait for it ... ) not being a moron then any mechanical safety at all on an intrinsically, passively-safe design is a step in the wrong direction. An answer looking for a problem.

Color me with GP on this one insofar as the Glock action is concerned. I am not overly fond of the damn things but the chance of an uncommanded discharge is simply not one of their faults. Quite the opposite, actually.
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just saying, lighten up on the elitely nuanced scolding regarding elocution.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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I don't think that word means what you think it means.
perhaps so GP, just my personal attempt to apply thousand dollar words in a ten dollar debate
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It's a great word. Just doesn't apply to the written word. Only spoken. It used to be taught. Projection, planned pauses, enunciation, emphasis, tempo, pitch, timbre, etc. It's actually covered in one of my old school primers. The one used on the show "Little House on the Prairie." Perfect example of the devolution of American Education. This middle-school book from the 1880s, would leave most of today's college graduates confused.
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It's a great word. Just doesn't apply to the written word. Only spoken. It used to be taught. Projection, planned pauses, enunciation, emphasis, tempo, pitch, timbre, etc. It's actually covered in one of my old school primers. The one used on the show "Little House on the Prairie." Perfect example of the devolution of American Education. This middle-school book from the 1880s, would leave most of today's college graduates confused.
Hear ya, I have a fair number of McGuffy's readers from the real old days

Back in the 90s a machine shop professor borrowed my copy of the old Henry Ford Trade School's machine shop training manual and republished it as an intro shop text

You are absolutely correct, as I often state words do mean things
my usage was wrong
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Back in the 90s a machine shop professor borrowed my copy of the old Henry Ford Trade School's machine shop training manual and republished it as an intro shop text
I learned a lot of lathe techniques from a reprint of the Southbend manual, originally published in 1914.
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I learned a lot of lathe techniques from a reprint of the Southbend manual, originally published in 1914.
The Ford Trade School manuals are dumbed down from the old Southbend
Some of the reprints Lindseys used to offer were sourced from original materials I supplied. There are machine manuals, foundry, etc all in Depression language meant to teach country bumpkins

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i think the butt-plumber would be more familiar with the term alocution.
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
"You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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1st off this isn't some philosophy forum. A good share of us speak plainly, you included. When you delve into socratic process you probably should be posting on the Huffington Post, not here.
n.
like mark, you are ignoring my point. i am not debating the ability of the firearm to perform as designed. i am remarking that the design is flawed in that it removes a point of decision from the process.

stay on point.
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Nonetheless you disgust me, and I take comfort in the knowledge that your obituary will be nowhere near as humorous as mine.


The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
"You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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I learned a lot of lathe techniques from a reprint of the Southbend manual, originally published in 1914.
No doubt. I have had the opportunity to thumb through one. So much of that is all but lost today.
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Inasmuch as I can spell allocution correctly, yes.
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like mark, you are ignoring my point. i am not debating the ability of the firearm to perform as designed. i am remarking that the design is flawed in that it removes a point of decision from the process.

stay on point.
was on point retard...

already noted I find them a poor choice for rank & file LEOs given the utter lack of training to deploy
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i am remarking that the design is flawed in that it removes a point of decision from the process.

The design is not flawed. The Glock goes bang when the operator pulls the trigger. It does not (and can not) go bang, if the operator does not pull the trigger (indicating an excellent design). Pulling the trigger is SUPPOSED to make the gun go bang. The gun should not go bang when dropped or manipulated in any way short of pulling the trigger. The Glock passes with flying colors.

Your "issue" revolves around your self-doubt and projection of that self-doubt on others. The solution to your lack of confidence in your ability to make a sound shoot/don't shoot decision, is not improved by a piece of hardware. It is improved by training and practice.

Since the Modern Technique of the Pistol, teaches disengaging the manual safety on the draw stroke, upon presentation, your double-action decock is no less likely to go bang upon pulling the trigger, than DAO auto, revolver, or safe-action Glock.

Or are you pointing a gun at someone with the safety on? That would be odd. One should not point a gun at something they are not willing and prepared to destroy. Leaving the safety on, suggests that you are not sure of your willingness to destroy. If that is the case, don't point the gun!

1. The decision that one needs a gun was made before the draw.
2. The decision as to who is the threat, is made before pointing the gun.
3. The decision to put one's finger on the trigger is made as the certainty of the threat validity increases.
4. The decision to press/pull the trigger is made when the validity of the threat is confirmed.

All your wailing falls on step 4. Nothing mechanical affects this decision. Only training.

That others who carry firearms have a poor level of training, is not a point I dispute. Some of the worst gun-handlers I've seen are cops. And they seem to be the most difficult to correct, as they assume (by virtue of carrying a gun for their job) that their level of training is sufficient. Military (particularly Marines) are next, as they have been told how awesome they are, for so long, that they believe it. Getting prior service to put their egos away and learn what they don't know, is tough. I know. I was one. And I thought I was the shit. Until I learned more technical shooting in a 3 day class than I had learned in Special Operations Infantry.

So yeah - people who carry guns need more training. There is no such thing as "too much training and practice". And it is a perishable skill.

All of which is secondary to your assertion that a Glock is by design "unsafe" because YOU are incompetent and believe a manual safety will protect you from yourself.
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The design is not flawed. The Glock goes bang when the operator pulls the trigger. It does not (and can not) go bang, if the operator does not pull the trigger (indicating an excellent design). Pulling the trigger is SUPPOSED to make the gun go bang. The gun should not go bang when dropped or manipulated in any way short of pulling the trigger. The Glock passes with flying colors.

Your "issue" revolves around your self-doubt and projection of that self-doubt on others. The solution to your lack of confidence in your ability to make a sound shoot/don't shoot decision, is not improved by a piece of hardware. It is improved by training and practice.

Since the Modern Technique of the Pistol, teaches disengaging the manual safety on the draw stroke, upon presentation, your double-action decock is no less likely to go bang upon pulling the trigger, than DAO auto, revolver, or safe-action Glock.

Or are you pointing a gun at someone with the safety on? That would be odd. One should not point a gun at something they are not willing and prepared to destroy. Leaving the safety on, suggests that you are not sure of your willingness to destroy. If that is the case, don't point the gun!

1. The decision that one needs a gun was made before the draw.
2. The decision as to who is the threat, is made before pointing the gun.
3. The decision to put one's finger on the trigger is made as the certainty of the threat validity increases.
4. The decision to press/pull the trigger is made when the validity of the threat is confirmed.

All your wailing falls on step 4. Nothing mechanical affects this decision. Only training.

That others who carry firearms have a poor level of training, is not a point I dispute. Some of the worst gun-handlers I've seen are cops. And they seem to be the most difficult to correct, as they assume (by virtue of carrying a gun for their job) that their level of training is sufficient. Military (particularly Marines) are next, as they have been told how awesome they are, for so long, that they believe it. Getting prior service to put their egos away and learn what they don't know, is tough. I know. I was one. And I thought I was the shit. Until I learned more technical shooting in a 3 day class than I had learned in Special Operations Infantry.

So yeah - people who carry guns need more training. There is no such thing as "too much training and practice". And it is a perishable skill.

All of which is secondary to your assertion that a Glock is by design "unsafe" because YOU are incompetent and believe a manual safety will protect you from yourself.
yeah no John Wick
not riding a bike folks
to maintain competency figure a minimum of 50 rounds monthly
I used to be 500+ a month starting in junior high school
some AR, mostly 1911

I'm not John Wick any more
gun is still an extension of my hand, just don't control it like I used to
then again, I have not been to the range in well over a year
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I wait for the 15th negligent discharge to clean it. It's a Glock so sometimes it well over a month between cleanings. And yes, I carry loaded in the house quite often.
Your house,your rules....
In this case,the cop obviously let down his guard enough that a child could gain access to his firearm,even though holstered. I maintain my distance from cops.Their "safe zone". I tell my kids the same thing. If the cop has to bolt off to a call or something,leave them room to maneuver,and not plug their path. And they don't like people playing with their toys without consent.
Had the cop cleared the barrel before going into the school,and say the kid still touched his piece,would anything have happened? Would we hear about it?
Something went boom,and that makes the news. Let's not make the news.
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Since striker fired pistols are always about half cocked, striker preloaded, with all the different trigger bars, and firing pin safety stop springs and mods to lighten trigger pulls, especially with mix and match parts, I wouldn't put too much trust in them not going off if dropped.



Especially when there are warnings on the firing pin safety springs. "Warning: Reduced Power spring is for competition use only - not for duty use."
That is inaccurate.

The Walther P99 in a decocked condition has the striker fully decocked and in a double action mode. The only striker fired DA/SA pistol that I'm aware of that is not a knock off or copy from Turkey or some other third world shithole.
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He should have more aware of his smoke wagon. I watch cops come in and look at all that shit they carry around on their belt these days and just scratch my head. Hell with pepper spray, a taser, spare mags, hand cuffs what could go wrong. I don’t think a cop should be issued a particular gun like a glock till he’s proved proficiency with more basic designs. After listening to people like WEG and the firearms debacles he shares, shit many shouldn’t have one in the tube. Stricker fired pistols are for the highly competent. I don’t like them per se because the AD shit can happen fumbling with it in a drawer at night. I have the 320 and you may shoot your dick off stuffing it into a backpack. It doesn’t have the trigger thingy.
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In this case,the cop obviously let down his guard enough that a child could gain access to his firearm,even though holstered. I maintain my distance from cops.Their "safe zone". I tell my kids the same thing. If the cop has to bolt off to a call or something,leave them room to maneuver,and not plug their path. And they don't like people playing with their toys without consent.
Had the cop cleared the barrel before going into the school,and say the kid still touched his piece,would anything have happened? Would we hear about it?
Something went boom,and that makes the news. Let's not make the news.
Had he needed to use the pistol and tried to defend the school with an "empty pipe" he would have also made news. If one needs to carry a pistol, make it a pistol worth carrying. That means one ready to perform its intended purpose.

I'm helping my boy with a word search so must go. I have a Glock open-carry on my hip. Family isn't freaked by the presence of a pistol.
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That is inaccurate.

The Walther P99 in a decocked condition has the striker fully decocked and in a double action mode. The only striker fired DA/SA pistol that I'm aware of that is not a knock off or copy from Turkey or some other third world shithole.
Hey it's SAFaggotN
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Post #77 is a mic drop. Nothing else to be said. Nothing personal towards anyone, that is just the plain and simple truth of the matter. Full stop.



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Not if you bring the Mick's sister.....I heard something around here about free drinks and boarding.

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Having three safeties on a hand gun is like wearing three rubbers with ya wife.

If ya believe the need for three is justified to keep you safe, then you don't need the wife or a handgun.
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That others who carry firearms have a poor level of training, is not a point I dispute. Some of the worst gun-handlers I've seen are cops.

So yeah - people who carry guns need more training. There is no such thing as "too much training and practice". And it is a perishable skill.

All of which is secondary to your assertion that a Glock is by design "unsafe" because YOU are incompetent and believe a manual safety will protect you from yourself.
again, you miss the point. i carry a tokarev cocked and not locked, because i know it is safe for me. the point i am making, and that you are conceding, is that the glock is not suitable for poorly trained people. it allows them to have a less than conscious result, when they, above all others, should be acutely conscious of what they are doing, as they are doing it to people who are often not deserving:

case in point:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lis/487142001/

tell it to this dead woman, and to the guy she was set to marry

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Get a grip, man.
If you can't wrap your head around the fact that a Glock will "go bang" when you pull the trigger, you probably shouldn't carry ANY gun.

And BTW...enough already...
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Cop draws his weapon, points it at a woman, and pulls the trigger. Gun goes bang. Woman dies.

Gun's fault.


A Minneapolis police officer on the force since March 2015, Mohamed Noor, has been identified as one who pulled the trigger,


Isn't pulling the trigger supposed to make the gun go bang? Maybe I missed the part where the gun's defective design made it leap from the holster, aim itself at a woman, and fire - all without any human involvement.

As I said in my first post (we have now come full circle). Your level of stupid is astounding.

BTW, NO GUN is suitable for poorly trained people.
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