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Old May 03, 2017, 11:05   #101
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I bought this NOS C2A1 on the files last year. Well, the carry handle was not NOS, and I haven't had any luck finding an original sling. It was built by a company called RDO specialty. I'm not even sure if they are still a company that builds fals.
I talk to the owner once in a while...he's doing other things right now, FALs are on hiatus.
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Old May 03, 2017, 11:30   #102
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I talk to the owner once in a while...he's doing other things right now, FALs are on hiatus.
Does he still have a website? At one time he had one and a bunch of fals on there. I can't seem to find it now, but if they are on the hiatus with fals that would explain it.
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His website is gone. I called last week inquiring about FAL barrels, left a message and still haven't gotten a response. Guess they are too busy doing other stuff.
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What would these two slings be worth?
Top: Excellent condition. Has 2 different troopers names and rack number inside.
Bottom: Good condition less color.

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Also, remember that there were [plenty of C1A1s that still had their two slot handguards. AND, there were even a few out there with THREE slot handguards. I have no freaking clue where they came from.
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What would these two slings be worth?
Top: Excellent condition. Has 2 different troopers names and rack number inside.Bottom: Good condition less color.
Are these C2 slings?
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Old May 04, 2017, 18:16   #107
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Canadian Slings

I don't know ether, But I'll buy one when your ready to sell.
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I'd buy one too....
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Old May 05, 2017, 16:40   #110
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Never did figure out why they went plastic buckles, and Velcro on the web belt stuff. That was the stupidest idea,.. they shifted and slid all around.
At least with hooks, you knew where they were because they never moved.
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Last inch build of 2017. 1L-2L C1 on metric receiver.

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Old January 26, 2018, 08:47   #113
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Sweet stick Dakto.

Is that a DSA R1 receiver you built on?
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Old January 26, 2018, 10:41   #114
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Last build of 2017. 1L-2L C1 on metric receiver.

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That's a beauty Dak! Was that a complete kit or did it require a lot of parts searching?
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That's a beauty Dak! Was that a complete kit or did it require a lot of parts searching?
Most of the Canadian kit was purchased together in our marketplace and the parts all appeared NOS. The barrel is an unused DSA inch which I've had for over 10 years.
The receiver is a DSA R1 which was easy to convert for the charging handle, top cover and the hole for the cross pin did not require widening.
The seating of the magazine was difficult as a metric mag was a tight fit, so I had to not only widen the tab channel cut for the inch mag but also remove a little metal from the inner front of the magazine well for the inch mag to seat properly.
The early hand guards were from Flypaper (My thanks for a perfect set and fit). The leftover parts include a NOS brown carry handle, NOS C1A1 hand guards and used green sling and cleaning kit.
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Nice nice nice.
I'm curious what made you choose the metric R1, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Of course I went the other way, starting with a DSA early inch and milling the magwell lightening cuts and stripper clip reliefs.
6 of 1 half dozen of another, but you ended up with a great rifle that raises the bar even higher.(I had to use a used Aussie barrel)

Bloody gorgeous!

OK, edit, I remember asking this before and how the inch DSAs have become extinct.
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Nice nice nice.
I'm curious what made you choose the metric R1, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Of course I went the other way, starting with a DSA early inch and milling the magwell lightening cuts and stripper clip reliefs.
6 of 1 half dozen of another, but you ended up with a great rifle that raises the bar even higher.(I had to use a used Aussie barrel)

Bloody gorgeous!

OK, edit, I remember asking this before and how the inch DSAs have become extinct.
Thank you and since I could not find a DSA inch receiver and if I did none sold for less than $600. I decided to go with the $350 range DSA R1 receiver. The serial number of #R1076 accepted new metric mags with a little tightness and more worn metric and aluminium mags seated more satisfactory.
As you know, the early C1's from serial 001 to about the 2L range employed metric type upper receivers. Photos are available in Steven's North American FALs. Page 82 &134 and on the cover.

I would love to find an early C1 vertical leaf rear sight but they can most likely be found in the hen's teeth department. The leaf pattern rear sight is on pages 70-71.
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Thatís a nice rifle. Wish I could find a carry handle like the one you have.
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That’s a nice rifle. Wish I could find a carry handle like the one you have.
The carry handle wood was made by one of our members here maybe 10 years ago and he sold many of them unfinished in the marketplace. Perhaps he just made some dowel pins and drilled them out? I finished it to match the butt stock and mounted it on a spare wire.
I also used two for my BGS builds by slightly beveling each end to match an original BGS carry handle wood.

Perhaps Flypaper may decide to make some if he had enough demand for them?
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I would love to find an early C1 vertical leaf rear sight but they can most likely be found in the hen's teeth department. The leaf pattern rear sight is on pages 70-71.
How different are they from a metric tall rear sight?
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Also, remember that there were [plenty of C1A1s that still had their two slot handguards. AND, there were even a few out there with THREE slot handguards. I have no freaking clue where they came from.
Maybe the three-slot handguards were leftover spares or salvage from the EX rifles?
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How different are they from a metric tall rear sight?
The tall Canadian rear sight appears similar to the Argentine and Israeli tall sights. Comparing the Canadian early high rear sight to the T48 it appears a bit higher, but the comparison photos may not be the same scale.
On page 71 I noticed the earliest C1 photo also had a Type A metric butt stock. So I'll stick with the build in the 2L production series.
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Maybe the three-slot handguards were leftover spares or salvage from the EX rifles?
The first rifle I was issued had three slot handguards.

I still question the idea of the first batch I'd Ac1s having metric uppers. They were inch rifles as far as I've always known, and all out parts interchanged with the Brits.

We used inch mags, the top covers had tangs, all was the same.
Yeah, they had the metric mag well cuts on the magwell, but all else was inch.

I know what various books claim, but think about this: Early C1s were upgraded to C1A1 specs as they rotated through the the depots for repair and servicing, and they certainly didn't replace the upper receivers on those rifles.
So somehow, they became "inch rifles" after upgrading, without replacing the uppers.

So unless you're talking about the very early Canadian test rifles, which WERE metric, I'll stake what little reputation I have on this.
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In Steven's book the C1's were all built inch guns.
The receiver's were not metric decimal system per se but were metric pattern only by design.
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In Steven's book the C1's were all built inch guns.
The receiver's were not metric decimal system per se but were metric pattern only by design.
YES! Thank you!

Many people have take the "metric design" to mean a full metric rifle, rather than metric pattern cuts on the upper.

I will tell you this: anyone who's ever taken a milling machine to a vergin early forged DSA knows what "pucker factor" is. The first cut really is the deepest, and once you've started, there ain't no going back.
The stress of milling out the magwell when building mine probably took 5 years off my life.
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The first rifle I was issued had three slot handguards.

I still question the idea of the first batch I'd Ac1s having metric uppers. They were inch rifles as far as I've always known, and all out parts interchanged with the Brits.

We used inch mags, the top covers had tangs, all was the same.
Yeah, they had the metric mag well cuts on the magwell, but all else was inch.

I know what various books claim, but think about this: Early C1s were upgraded to C1A1 specs as they rotated through the the depots for repair and servicing, and they certainly didn't replace the upper receivers on those rifles.
So somehow, they became "inch rifles" after upgrading, without replacing the uppers.

So unless you're talking about the very early Canadian test rifles, which WERE metric, I'll stake what little reputation I have on this.
I've no doubt they were "metric" only in terms of the profile cuts on the outside...I'd like to know just when somebody at Long Branch got smart and said "why are we cutting this quadrilateral on the mag well when we can make one swipe and be done?"

As to the handguards...some SLRs in Rhodesia ultimately ended up with metric (plastic) handguards, so it was at least possible!
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I think, but am not 100% sure, it happened around when the 6L series started?
There were plenty of both around.
Or maybe 5L.

All I can say 100% for sure is that the 3L I carried for most of my time in had the metric style magwell cuts.

When I was first issued my 3L I had the double slotted handguards and had been through the wringer and upgraded to C1A1 standard. Notice I said it had slotted handguards, so believe me, becoming a C1A1 didn't mean it automatically got solid handguards.
Those old double slotted handguards got 'damaged', were swapped for some solid handguards, and somehow, those handguards that got tossed might have never quite made it to the trash bin.... Oops.. Shhhhhhh!

An extremely similar looking pair has been known to appear on my rifle for pics from time to time.
Imagine that, huh?
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I've no doubt they were "metric" only in terms of the profile cuts on the outside...I'd like to know just when somebody at Long Branch got smart and said "why are we cutting this quadrilateral on the mag well when we can make one swipe and be done?"

As to the handguards...some SLRs in Rhodesia ultimately ended up with metric (plastic) handguards, so it was at least possible!
I just wanted to be on record with that, because someday I'll be Home with Jesus, and there's lots of newbs today in this FAL thing who will almost go to war stating Canadian rifles were metric right up till the 8L series.

My statements to the contrary are looked upon as incoherent ramblings of an old man.
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What I have read in Steven's book is the change from the metric type receiver to the inch type occurred between 1L-2L. This may have been the official announcement, but it doesn't account there may have been a number of metric type receivers already produced and waiting to be future builds or used as replacement receivers on damaged SLR's.

Why the change on the magazine cut? My guess is the Canadian Department of National Defence with Long Branch determined their inch receivers be synonyms and interchangeable with other Commonwealth countries, Australia and UK.
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Interesting that.

I actually don't own the book, I've heard about the book, but I've never seen the book, never even read any excerpts except what's been posted here.

What I can say though is that my 3L absolutely had the metric cut on the magwell, and I can state that with 100% certainty.
And I had better be right, because not only did I build my rifle that way, at least one other guy did too, partially based upon the correctness of my build, I'd assume.

As with all books of course, sometimes research gets a bit murky.

For some reason I thought I'd seen 4L's with the metric cut as well.

As an aside, I remember soldiers preferring the straight cut magwell because they "thought" the carry handle lay closer in to the rifle body.
I'm not sure it really did, though.

As for the change to the straight cut receiver?
I'm a bit more pragmatic in venturing that Longbranch was able to eliminate several crucial machining operations by changing styles. The metric magwell cut is a multi step procedure. The inch cut is one big swipe...
I'd venture a guess THAT'S the real reason they changed.
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I just wanted to be on record with that, because someday I'll be Home with Jesus, and there's lots of newbs today in this FAL thing who will almost go to war stating Canadian rifles were metric right up till the 8L series.

My statements to the contrary are looked upon as incoherent ramblings of an old man.
That's why I try and grab every C1/C1A1/C2 pic I come across.
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That's why I try and grab every C1/C1A1/C2 pic I come across.
I just wish we had a gallery of pictures and descriptions of every C1 configuration. I have an 8L and used to have an EX-1 but the other configurations I donít have a clue about.
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undoable friend...

Canuck guns were all over the place on configurations

it's not just military, there were RCMP, NWMP and presentation rifles
seen/handled examples of all

3, 2 and no slot guards were used for example

there were S, M, L, EXL butts made
we had some butts that were XXL, Man sized rifles for over 6' folks. Not your typical manlet.

Some C1s had top cover charger guides
others did not

don't start me on top cover based optics mounts...
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Typo there bud. Not EXL it's XL

And don't forget, C1 and C1A1s were available on the open market for civilian purchase through the 60s and 70s.
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This thread needs a pic update. Most are missing.



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Typo there bud. Not EXL it's XL

And don't forget, C1 and C1A1s were available on the open market for civilian purchase through the 60s and 70s.
My latest C1 build has a XL stock which I am not too fond of. I prefer small or normal butt stocks for shooting.
During my road trips into Canada in the early to mid 80's there were lots of L1A1's in the dealer racks most of which were Australian and British. Back then i would load up on metric and inch parts. The dealers whom worked out of their garages had the best selection of early parts.
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No civilian in their right mind wanted one back then. Who wanted to pay 1800.00 for a heavy military rifle to go deer hunting with? A Mauser, Enfield, or Garand could be had for 50 bucks. A new semi auto .243 was only 600.00, you could have 3 for the price of one C1.
No wonder they didn't sell many.
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I got a couple pics back, but who's got the time to go and redo everything?
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My latest C1 build has a XL stock which I am not too fond of. I prefer small or normal butt stocks for shooting.
During my road trips into Canada in the early to mid 80's there were lots of L1A1's in the dealer racks most of which were Australian and British. Back then i would load up on metric and inch parts. The dealers whom worked out of their garages had the best selection of early parts.
I have a real Canadian stock marked "N", if you would be willing to trade. I need an XL for a better LOP.
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Old February 07, 2018, 17:25   #140
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No civilian in their right mind wanted one back then. Who wanted to pay 1800.00 for a heavy military rifle to go deer hunting with? A Mauser, Enfield, or Garand could be had for 50 bucks. A new semi auto .243 was only 600.00, you could have 3 for the price of one C1.
No wonder they didn't sell many.
6.5 Swede AG42s were cheaper yet. Just a ton of those were sold up there.
I can recall with the bayo, bandleer and sling their being sold at like $39.00 in the 70s.
On sale they sometimes got under $30.00
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6.5 Swede AG42s were cheaper yet. Just a ton of those were sold up there.
I can recall with the bayo, bandleer and sling their being sold at like $39.00 in the 70s.
On sale they sometimes got under $30.00
Rifles were cheap. Folks bought for utility, not FAL coolness.
Just think, back then, racks and racks of C1A1s in the racks at the local gun shop. And none sold. Oh to go back in time..
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Rifles were cheap. Folks bought for utility, not FAL coolness.
Just think, back then, racks and racks of C1A1s in the racks at the local gun shop. And none sold. Oh to go back in time..
All you needed then was a purchase permit issued issued by the police.

As an American dealer I requested and was sent a form to fill out, returned it and received an approval back from the Canadian Police. They informed me to pick up my permit at the Erie Police Station. I was tempted but I had no desire to leave a L1A1 in Canada.
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Hello,

I got an FN C1A1 8L series (Ex Ontario Provincial Police(OPP)) few years ago. I got also the Sniper Scope C1, L12A1 Conversion Kit complete with Canadian label inside and the grenade launcher. Only problem, I cannot bring to the range because is a prohibited weapon in Canada. Anyway, I very proud to have the FN C1A1 with associated equipment in my gun collection.

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Yeah Canada, they'll let you keep it till you die, but you can't ever shoot it, and when you do die, the cops will seize it and melt it down. (Or keep it themselves)
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I would think there is a lot of open land in Canada to shoot the 8L.
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Yeah Canada, they'll let you keep it till you die, but you can't ever shoot it, and when you do die, the cops will seize it and melt it down. (Or keep it themselves)
Now, you can transfer all prohibited weapons to someone/family members when you die if you put their name(s) in the will.
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Now, you can transfer all prohibited weapons to someone/family members when you die if you put their name(s) in the will.
Well at least you can arrange to keep them out of Troodoh's greasy hands.

Maybe someday sanity will return and you can actually use it.
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As per the Canadian Gun Law:

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◦the prohibited firearm is a grandfathered handgun described in subsection 12(6.1) of the Firearms Act, with a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length or designed or adapted to discharge .25 or .32 caliber cartridges; and
◦the prohibited handgun was manufactured before 1946; and
◦the individual is the spouse, common-law partner, brother, sister, child or grandchild of the deceased registered owner; and
◦the handgun is used for a permitted purpose such as target shooting or as part of a collection."

See the link for more details from the RCMP: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...tament-eng.htm
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Well at least you can arrange to keep them out of Troodoh's greasy hands.

Maybe someday sanity will return and you can actually use it.
I feel bad for the Canadians that are stuck there under that guy. Hopefully one day Canadian gun enthusiasts can enjoy their hobby again.
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