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Old January 11, 2017, 16:15   #1
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HK G36 replaced with AUG/M-4 Mutant!

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With all the noise about how the G-36 cant hold a zero after several mags and in high temperatures. Steyr and German Rhein Metall have developed a new rifle for German Army Testing.

The thing has all the benefits of the AUG (quick change barrel and modularity) but looks like an M-4.

Take a look.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...4331484152197/

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Old January 11, 2017, 16:30   #2
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Making gas-piston great again!

Scope needs more cheese-grater though.

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Old January 11, 2017, 16:44   #3
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Its hideous. I must have it!
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Old January 11, 2017, 17:46   #4
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That looks operator as fvck!
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Old January 11, 2017, 19:33   #5
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Why mount the scope so high?
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Old January 11, 2017, 21:17   #6
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Why mount the scope so high?
Real operators don't have necks.
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Old January 11, 2017, 21:45   #7
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Old January 11, 2017, 21:54   #8
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Maybe I'm ooking at the picture wrong but it looks like the carry handle is a scope too?
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Old January 11, 2017, 22:00   #9
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Yeah,

The scope is very similar to an AUG scope which can also be used as a carry handle. The whole front end has an AUG look about it.

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Old January 11, 2017, 22:00   #10
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Maybe I'm looking at the picture wrong but it looks like the carry handle is a scope too?
..... you are not. The "handle" is an optic (probably a 1.5x or 3x like the original AUG sported) and the RDS is mounted atop this as a backup/CQB optics.
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Old January 11, 2017, 22:45   #11
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Old January 11, 2017, 23:03   #12
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What's the flappy lever looking thing aft of the e-port door? Does it make it operate more better?

Other than that yeah, JAAR

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Old January 12, 2017, 01:44   #14
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What's the flappy lever looking thing aft of the e-port door? Does it make it operate more better?

Other than that yeah, JAAR

It replaces this. The original FA. Also used on the M3 grease guns.

High tech German engineering at it's finest.

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It replaces this. The original FA. Also used on the M3 grease guns.

High tech German engineering at it's finest.

....... I suspect Pluribus is actually referring to the ambidextrous bolt release that is visible on the new rifle just to the rear of the ejection port/cover as opposed to the Forward Assist (FA) Plunger (also visible in the above pic) present on most iterations of the M16A1 (and later) since the 60s.

In relation to the M3 wasn't the finger hole in the bolt (on the later versions - the earlier ones had the charging handle) actually for cocking the weapon as opposed to a FA - given it fires from an bolt, would not a FA funcrion be entirely useless ? My understanding is that FA to to force the bolt fully into battery to facilitate discharge ?
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Old January 12, 2017, 07:05   #16
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I dont know if I am wrong, but that looks like a cotter pin is what keeps the gas adjustment block in place..Strange. There are much better ways of doing that I would assume.
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Old January 12, 2017, 08:41   #17
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Old January 12, 2017, 08:51   #18
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....... I suspect Pluribus is actually referring to the ambidextrous bolt release that is visible on the new rifle just to the rear of the ejection port.........
Yup Andy, that's what I meant. It just seems like the long way around the barn to me and yup, my observation was sarcasm.

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Old January 12, 2017, 10:33   #20
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I think there is more to it than just saying it's just another AR. To me, it looks more like an M4 and an AUG had a baby. AUG is an awesome weapon that was, truly, way ahead of its time. In fact, it still holds it own. And is, IMO, still superior to our M4. Although I will say, I do not understand why there is a forward assist with a piston gun.

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Other than the muzzle device and the squeeze-on bayonet lug, I really see no AUG here (even if the scope mount has been made to look slightly like an AUG one).

What I see is a piston AR that has been dicked with by adding a bunch of little 'features.' Leave it to the Germans to make something simple more complex...

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Other than the muzzle device and the squeeze-on bayonet lug, I really see no AUG here (even if the scope mount has been made to look slightly like an AUG one).

What I see is a piston AR that has been dicked with by adding a bunch of little 'features.' Leave it to the Germans to make something simple more complex...

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Quick change barrel. An excellent feature.

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Other than the muzzle device and the squeeze-on bayonet lug, I really see no AUG here (even if the scope mount has been made to look slightly like an AUG one).

What I see is a piston AR that has been dicked with by adding a bunch of little 'features.' Leave it to the Germans to make something simple more complex...

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Quick change barrel & piston driven.

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Quick change barrel. An excellent feature.
While neat, why for a .mil 'assault rifle.?'

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While neat, why for a .mil 'assault rifle.?'

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So it can be transitioned to a DMR role or even another caliber, like .300 Blackout simply and easily.

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So it can be transitioned to a DMR role or even another caliber, like .300 Blackout simply and easily.

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You mean like swapping an upper assembly on an AR? Brilliant.....if it's less complex than pushing in two captive pins.
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Well,

If the barrel changes like AUG, it is simpler than pushing two push pins. Push the barrel thumb stud twist and pull. Installing is easier just insert and twist.

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Quick change barrel. An excellent feature.

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.... Australia found the opposite and deleted it like a crazy ex-girlfriend on the F90 we are starting to field.
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..... this mate, the civilain market is much more enamoured with such features than the military. If an army wants a change of barrel length or calibre they issue a new rifle. I do not believe any nation that fields the AUG has ever offered the troops the option of a few spare barrels in the footlocker so they can play Barbie with their rifle. The QC barrel on our F88s was found to be a cause of significant additional wear to the receiver extension (steel in aluminium). Hence the change on the new rifle.
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Chin-weld, anyone?

I echo many of the comments above, that the only thing AUG about this new rifle is the tulip flash hider and profile of the optic mount. Frankly, I see this as little more than an Improved 3rd-Gen AR with many of the same limitations. Quick-change barrels have been around since before WW2 (MG-42 anyone?) and piston gas systems even longer. An improved flapper dust cover?! Is this what passes for progress these days? Of course, maybe this is exactly what the Germans want this time (a conservative derivative design) after the "innovative" G36 proved to be such an embarrassment.

Sadly, Teutonic pride probably prevents them from just calling FN and ordering a few thousand SCAR-16s.

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