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Old January 08, 2017, 00:35   #1
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M1A mfgs

So is Springfield the only M1A mfgs? Is there any one that makes a real forged M1A?
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Old January 08, 2017, 00:53   #2
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You could check out http://www.fulton-armory.com/fultona...m14-1-1-1.aspx
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Old January 08, 2017, 06:07   #3
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M1A is a trademark and only Springfield Armory Inc. can us it.
There are many other makers of M-14 clones.

Current producers of proven reliable M14 clones.
SAI - cast receiver.
Fulton - cast receiver.
LRB - Hammer forged
Bula - Hammer forged
JRA - Uses Bula Defense Systems produced hammer forged receivers.

There have been many others over the years, but these are the ones still in business and supporting the hobby.

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Old January 08, 2017, 08:41   #4
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M1A is a trademark and only Springfield Armory Inc. can us it.
There are many other makers of M-14 clones.

Current producers of proven reliable M14 clones.
SAI - cast receiver.
Fulton - cast receiver.
LRB - Hammer forged
Bula - Hammer forged
JRA - Uses Bula Defense Systems produced hammer forged receivers.

There have been many others over the years, but these are the ones still in business and supporting the hobby.

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You missed the prick from Arizona.
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Old January 08, 2017, 09:11   #5
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You missed the prick from Arizona.
Nope, didn't miss the jerk at all. He has been out of the receiver business for quite some time now. His last marketing venture through Crocks proved to be a crock. His last batch of receivers were crappola.

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Can't go wrong with a JRA

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Old January 08, 2017, 10:09   #7
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M1a vs M14

As previously mentioned SAI owns the designation of M1a, as at the time ATF rulings said you couldn't have an M14 (as if the engraving on the receiver made it shoot faster) w/o Class III registration. It was semantics, and now manufacturers can use M14 on their rifles.

Bula Forging is the current USGI contractor (SEI lost this in 2015) and produces excellent hammer-forged receivers and parts. They are the current way to go for quality.
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What happened to 7.62mm Firearms? Did they fold, and someone took over the production with a new name (and better quality control?) Seems like I quit hearing about 7.62 about the same time I started hearing about Bula.....
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What happened to 7.62mm Firearms? Did they fold, and someone took over the production with a new name (and better quality control?) Seems like I quit hearing about 7.62 about the same time I started hearing about Bula.....
7.62 moved from Oh to Fla and changed their name to TRW Tactial Respone Weapons I think is the moniker they are currently using. Same owner ceo.
Just beware.
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7.62 moved from Oh to Fla and changed their name to TRW Tactial Respone Weapons I think is the moniker they are currently using. Same owner ceo.
Just beware.
That's kinda weird since their must be more hammer forges and expert, seasoned machinists and machining equipment in Ohio than in Florida.

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Bula Forging is the current USGI contractor (SEI lost this in 2015) and produces excellent hammer-forged receivers and parts. They are the current way to go for quality.

Yeah. And what makes them more kewl and special is that they are made from Un-obtainium, unless your name is Art Banks, then you can buy/receive all you want. The rest of us mere mortals are only allowed to lust after the pics posted here on FALFILES.

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Old January 08, 2017, 23:42   #12
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How much can I guy expect to spend on a good forged rifle?
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Nope, didn't miss the jerk at all. He has been out of the receiver business for quite some time now. His last marketing venture through Crocks proved to be a crock. His last batch of receivers were crappola.

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What was wrong with them?
A friend of mine got 2 from Crocks in the last batch, he has expressed no complaints to me.
Not disagreeing with you, just curious.
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How much can I guy expect to spend on a good forged rifle?
It looks like $2500 average for a quality, safe, reliable and accurate mil-spec grade M-14 clone. Price may not include shipping, insurance and time and energy spent gathering all that is required to get an above mentioned 'forged' M-14 clone. You will have to have at least that much plus a lot patience.

Go to LRB's and JRA's websites for more information. Even if you can do most of work building one correctly, you are still looking at > $2K, unless you bought a copious amount of fresh, surplused USGI parts back in the '70's and early '80"s, which would tell us that you are so old that you don't have to worry about a rifle being "forged" anyway. It will take around 100K rounds to wear out a properly made 4140 cast receiver, so depending on how much you shoot, how much you can spend on ammo and your ACCESS to that much 308 WIN, you decide if you need the forging. A forged USGI M-14 and M-1 were rated around 300K.

Oh yeah, I want a hammer forged LRB on too, so I'm ain't flamin' you brother.

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That's kinda weird since their must be more hammer forges and expert, seasoned machinists and machining equipment in Ohio than in Florida.

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Last time I visited Chris at 7.62mm in Ohio he was using barstock like SEI did which is technically hammer forged square but not the true hammer forged into a die for his receivers like LRB and Bula. He was running the CNC machines by himself.

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What was wrong with them?
A friend of mine got 2 from Crocks in the last batch, he has expressed no complaints to me.
Not disagreeing with you, just curious.
I will bet your friend didn't try to install a scope mount on one. The ones I have seen could not be used with an ARMs mount, but with effort a Sadlak could be installed. The vertical cut in the left side of the receivers appear to be off, at least on the ones I have seen. I agree they are pretty to look at.
There are just way better examples available. This is a personal opinion only.
If you friend is happy with his , that is the counter.

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Old January 09, 2017, 12:04   #17
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We live in a world of cast this and plastic that. If something was made a certain way originally, then I always opt for the original. That is unless the originol is inferior to the modern version. This is why the only 1911 I have is a plain Ole Milspec Springfield Armory. Could have bought any other version.
With the M14, I could opt for a SA M1A NTL Match. But that ain't real now is it? These guns are just to look at. I have modern rifles to shoot. That said, I still like to look at who we are by where we came from.
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Old January 09, 2017, 13:41   #18
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I like my SEI with TRW parts. I had it built with a mount so no idea if installing was hard. The lettering could've been a little deeper on the heel.
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We live in a world of cast this and plastic that. If something was made a certain way originally, then I always opt for the original. That is unless the originol is inferior to the modern version. This is why the only 1911 I have is a plain Ole Milspec Springfield Armory. Could have bought any other version.
With the M14, I could opt for a SA M1A NTL Match. But that ain't real now is it? These guns are just to look at. I have modern rifles to shoot. That said, I still like to look at who we are by where we came from.
WTF are you talking about? Ain't real? Guns just to look at? I gar-ran-fuggin-tee. YOU- WILL NOT STAND, SIT or arrange your body in ANY MANNER, WILLINGLY on the other side of a muzzle from modern semi-automatic-military-styled-look-a-like and test to see if that bullet from such as piece will put a nice big hole in yo' aze. NOPE.. NONE. EVER.

Just for shits and giggles, do this: Try to find where one person has ever worn out a cast 4140 M-14 clone receiver from shooting it out. Pro-tip: Which part "wears out' as to it not being safe to shoot anymore? Anyone?

It is the Firing Pin Bridge NOTCH. This is the notch in the "bridge" in the aft part of an M-14 and M-1 type rifle whose purpose in life is to catch the firing pin aND retain it aft long enough so the TIP of the firing pin does not mate with the primer of a round going into the chamber, If it does, BOOM! you have a Firing Out Of Battery. When that notch wears out, or gets thin to the point where it can no longer hold the firing pin back, the gummit would cut the receiver into pieces as that part of the rifle is no longer serviceable and is now dangerous.

The bilateral locks or ramps in the front of the receiver that create proper headspace also wear out too which can render the receiver inoperable. But let's get back to our original journey and find someone, somewhere, who, on his own nickel, shot an M-14 clone to death. Shit, J.Q. Publik can't even shoot out a Glock, which also requires hundreds of thousands of rounds to condemn it.

Mikey I know what you are saying about "originality" as it relates to quality, but there are MILLIONS of military clones that perform perfectly well under all levels of duress and if properly maintained, will last the lifetime of the owner, his chirrun and his chirrun's chirruns.

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What dog you have in this fight? I appreciate the time you took to type all that. I don't care to argue about the virtues of cast/forged or any other debatable topic. If I wanted cast, I would buy a Ruger.
I agree that there are better clones than their originals, but in this case, I want as close to the original as I can get. M14 is not like Garand. You won't get a real one. But if there is a forged rifle made with real GI parts for a few hundred more than the cast commercial equivalent, that money is well spent.
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I will bet your friend didn't try to install a scope mount on one. The ones I have seen could not be used with an ARMs mount, but with effort a Sadlak could be installed. The vertical cut in the left side of the receivers appear to be off, at least on the ones I have seen. I agree they are pretty to look at.
There are just way better examples available. This is a personal opinion only.
If you friend is happy with his , that is the counter.
Thank you, sir. And no, he has not tried to add a scope mount. they are purely indeed. I will give him a polite heads up at some point. I only own a 1991 Springfield M1A standard, but I was curious.
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If I wanted cast, I would buy a Ruger.
A Mini 14 is a .223 miniature Ruger, which is not what this thread is talking about.
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The Ruger comment was a sarcastic quality joke .
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My personal favorite is GWLA
They are closing out their receivers excuse me they are closed now
Ted Browm in OR reviewed hem and said they are closer to USGI specs than any other manufacturer
They just hit most people to high in the pocket book (price point)
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[QUOTE=dashaus;4355437]My personal favorite is GWLA
They are closing out their receivers
Ted Browm in OR reviewed hem and said they are closer to USGI specs than any other manufacturer
They just hit most people to high in the pocket book (price point)


Could you point to where Ted posted about them being closer to USGI than any other manufacturers. That would be interesting to see , and I think there just might be some debate. I know he had them make some corrections on the first one they sent him for evaluation but never noticed what you have commented on in his reviews.
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Review posted by Ted Brown letter on GWLA web site

http://nebula.wsimg.com/479a764ed9d0...&alloworigin=1

Also reviews posted by Ted on m14 forum

http://m14forum.com/ted-brown/258506...receivers.html

Ted wrote quite a lot about their receivers forget which link I read
http://m14forum.com/ted-brown/


Don't think any of the manufactures listed above "truly make a Mil Spec receiver"
Technology has changed and manufacturing processes also
Semi auto variations aren't exact copies of a full auto USGI M14
Ploytech M14 receivers are probably the closest one can get to owning a USGI M14 receiver
But there is a hole in the receiver threaded for an allen screw to hold the barrel

Why not become a contributing member to the forum...

Ted is building a GWLA with a "NOS"1976 SAK NM medium profile barrel for me
On the phone he sounded enthusiastic about the build see how it shakes out

Do you own a GWLA receiver?
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You should go and re read all of the evaluations Sir. I think you may have made a small mis interpretation.

He did say.
"Overall, these receivers compare favorably with other high end receivers on the market today".

Nothing about them being closer to USGI spec. In fact there were negatives about lug dimension and other slight imperfections which I am sure would have been corrected if they were around long enough to work the bugs out.

I have heard other folks try to say that they are perfect, but no one that has actually done a review and knows what they are talking about.
There are reasons they only lasted a year in business.
Might be a novelty, but that is about it in my opinion.

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No problem at all.
Good luck with your build.
I was close to getting one of their receivers to try myself, but decided to stay with the two makers I am familiar with.
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No problem at all.
Good luck with your build.
I was close to getting one of their receivers to try myself, but decided to stay with the two makers I am familiar with.
Please keep us posted on the Bula Forge M-14 clone receiver and parts project(s). I'm working on getting the cash together for an LRB and your Buila Forge pieces appear to be excellent. Also in the savings budget is my trip to CT to get you to barrel said receivers.

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Please keep us posted on the Bula Forge M-14 clone receiver and parts project(s). I'm working on getting the cash together for an LRB and your Buila Forge pieces appear to be excellent. Also in the savings budget is my trip to CT to get you to barrel said receivers.

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LRB makes a very nice receiver. I have 7 in the herd. 4 M25s and 3 sa. Bula is the only producer that makes anything like the XM21 and being mainly a scope shooter these days it only made sense to use their products.



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Bula and LRB are the favorite forged receivers on the M14 forum.
I'd suggest browsing through the forum for more answers.

I bought a SA Loaded in Oct. $1600. I am pleased.
After some tuning, it's a 1.5 MOA rifle.
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What do you guys think on Rockola? Looks like two grand gets you one of those.
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What do you guys think on Rockola? Looks like two grand gets you one of those.
You will be hard pressed to find a better M-14 clone these days. Receivers are made by Bula Defense Systems in Cleveland. As the USGI parts are running out more and more Bula parts are being used in the builds. Great rifles.



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