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Old November 03, 2018, 07:26   #1
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So I'm getting another Garaund

Don't be jellis.

Actually, I'm not "getting" it. I have to assemble it, and it's really not going to be a snob gun. It won't have any matching parts. I just want it to function.

It has a reproduction rear sight. Reproduction is on the left, GI on the right. Not certain who makes the reproduction sights, but guessing Wayne Machine in Taiwan.



Trying to decide whether to make it -06 or .308.

-06 is more ferocious, but .308 is easier on your body. I don't know what to do yet.
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Recoil of both rounds is the same
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I notice a difference. It's not hugh but it's there. Could be my trashy reloads.
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I have an almost original 43 Winchester Garand in 30-06 and a 3 million SA receivered Garnd with a commercial 308 barrel, love them both, the Winchester due to its unique parts and history, and the SA cause it's a "beater" (I don't deliberately beat any weapon up!) truck gun that looks like crap (old beat up/dark/oily surplus wood, and the finish has that old brownish "not quite rust" patina.

While the Winchester is very nice, it's more of a collector type rifle, so I favor my 308 SA rifle as it looks like a battle field pick up, but shoots just like a brand new Garand....besides 308 is a little cheaper on the surplus market. If you have a 30-06 Garand I recommend you build a 308 version they are a lot of fun.
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It's sort of like deciding between 383 or 440. Both will do the job. One has more power, the other is more compact and less expensive.
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Keep in mind that the Garand was designed for M2 ball ammo. The pressure spec for M2 is 50,000 psi.

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Similarly, most NATO spec ".308" ammo is more correctly referred to not as ".308," but rather "7.62" or "M80."

NATO spec ".308" ammo also runs 50,000 PSI

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Yah. I stay under 50 grains of IMR4895. 46-47 with a 150 bullet is about right for me in -06.

Then I do about 41 grains in .308, which is probly why I think -06 has more power.
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Run them both at 15gr and you can shoot indoors.
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The admonition has been made a million times on the internet.

"Don't shoot commercial .308 in a Garand chambered for .308"

We already have had a thread ad nauseum about whether the DIMENSIONS of 7.62 differ from .308. I have measured samples of each. I find zero difference whatsoever in the dimensions of 7.62 vs .308 cartridges.

I am confident to say that if you push a 150-grain bullet out of a Garand at 2750 (M80) or 2740 (M2) the calculated recoil is identical unless you want to argue that the lesser weight of the 7.62 expelled powder charge should be taken into consideration. If you "feel" like one "kicks" harder than the other, well that's your opinion.

FWIW, I load my Garand ammo in 30-06 a little bit lighter than what would bring it to true M2 spec. I use Varget. I need 50.0 grains Varget to match M2 velocities. Instead, I use only 47.0 grains.

In my experience 47.0 grains of virtually ANY medium-burning rifle powder will produce safe pressures, and very good accuracy in the 30-06 Garand if your shooting is at 200 yards and less. 47.0 grains of Anypowder may work fine at longer distances. However, I have no desire whatsoever to shoot an unmodified Garand at longer distances than 200 yards.

I have down-loaded 30-06 to as low as 38.0 grains. IIRC, significant blow-by at the neck starts to show up at about 41.0 grains. If you fool around with significantly reduced loads to the point that the necks don't seal, you are going to get a face full of schmutz-blast, such that if you thought you had a flinch with full-power loads, just wait until you get it in the face on each shot.

When I shoot the Garand, or the 1903, I cant ("tilt") the rifle noticeably in order to get the comb of the stock more in line with the little bit of muscle on my shoulder, and off my collarbone. I also make conscious effort to hold my jaw a little bit slack and also a little bit offset - away from the stock. This allows me to get a good butt-placement, and a good cheekweld, without letting the gun bash my collarbone or my jawbone.

I've fired back-to-back 50-shot matches, with respectable results, using the aforesaid technique. You let it hit you hard one shot, and most folks will struggle for the rest of the match. Make a conscious effort to hold in a way that you are protected as best as you can. You might still be a bit sore the next day. But, you don't have to be sore after the first shot.

A quality trigger job will allow you to not fight the gun (or let it abuse you) quite so much too.
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I don't really have handload for my ".308" Garand. I have so much surplus 7.62, I haven't bothered to come up with anything in particular for a 150-grain-ball Garand handload.

I can tell you that the "National Match" load for the M14 works very will in the ".308" Garand.
That load is 41.5 grains IMR-4895, and a 168-grain Sierra Matchking.
This is widely regarded as duplicating the military "M-852" load.
Here is what Quickload says about that load:

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And the Army data sheet for M-852


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Trigger really was teh suk when it arrived.

Heavy, and dreadful creep compared my 30-06 that one of my rifle-team buddies worked on the trigger.

I fired the .308 about 200 shots at this point. Trigger still is probably about 7 pounds, but the creep has gotten better by a good margin on its own.
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The elevation knob fractured the first day I had it.

CMP was quite cooperative in sending a replacement elevation knob.

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We shoot a Garand Match every October at Fairfax Rod and Gun Club.

You are all invited. We do it every year.

I'm dangerous until offhand. I got the heebie-jeebies on offhand again at last month's match. Pissed-away 15 points over the course of just two shots offhand. That hurt.

Ended up fourth place. Would have taken second-place easily if I could have turned those two shit-shots into even a pair of 8's.
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Don't ask me why but I think 308 garands are my favorite to shoot. I recently built this one

I have always wanted to do a accuracy garand build, here is the story
Awhile back that I picked up a unissued 7.62 Navy barrel on another gun forum. This was the heart of this rifle



I installed the NOS barrel on a real nice SA 5.4 receiver ,all I had to do was lap the bolt to get it to headspace.
Did some work to trigger group , has a nice 5lb pull.
List of parts are:
Excellent condition USGI NM front and rear sights and trigger group. Balance of the rest of parts are NOS unissued.
NOS Op Rod, NM gas cylinder, 65 series SA bolt, gas screw , lock and internals.
Stock is commercial and has had wood removed for function and accuracy .Did some NM mod work to the rear handguard but that's where I decided to leave the rest to the experts. Sent the rifle off to Ted Brown for a bedding job and NM work to front handguard. He remove the liner, glue and screwed lower band to front handguard
I am happy with his work and pleased on how this build turned out











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It's purty. I like it.
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Old November 04, 2018, 16:31   #23
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Don't be jellis.



Actually, I'm not "getting" it. I have to assemble it, and it's really not going to be a snob gun. It won't have any matching parts. I just want it to function.




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If you need any parts for your build let me know. I have some nice ones I would sell
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By the misspelling of "Garand" in the thread title I thought this was going to be another Ian McCollum piece with him insisting his mispronunciation is correct.
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Also meant to mention that I “justified” getting a second Garand because the 30-06 gets so freaking hot after a few clips. Major heat mirage issue that impairs sight picture. Just switch rifles, and keep shooting.
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I justified it cuz I had a receiver lying around and I like assembling guns.

Also trying to impress Garand Gurl (as if).
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Gotta do something more with it than just assemble it. Match report or it didn't happen.
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I can't hit nothing so I might do a report of gurlz I saw at the range. I mean, maybe.
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Alright that does it. Gonna heat one of mine up this weekend for sure.
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Alright you Garand-gurus, I have a question. My one and only M1 came from CMP in one of those fat stocks. Every piece of wood on it is different. What's the best source for a new stock of the slimmer profile? I'd sure like to replace my furniture pretty soon. Thank you in advance!
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Alright you Garand-gurus, I have a question. My one and only M1 came from CMP in one of those fat stocks. Every piece of wood on it is different. What's the best source for a new stock of the slimmer profile? I'd sure like to replace my furniture pretty soon. Thank you in advance!
Well I for one like those new aftermarkets CMP was selling for $100 or so. All of my garands (well ALMOST all) wound up in one of those new stock sets eventually. They do need additional coats of hot oil but they are the slim WWII profile, for the most part straight grain and fit well. One of mine has a boyds I got from Fulton Armory but that one took a bit more fitting, particularly around the rear handguard to get right. Still a nice piece of wood though but given a choice I'd go the CMP route assuming they still have them. Pretty sure it's what they are putting the 'special' grades in so you've probably seen these.
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Thanks bubba! Is this what you're referring to?

https://estore.thecmp.org/Catalog/Item/082
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Maybe get the one with the metal on it. That way you don't crack the handguard fussing with the clip.
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https://estore.thecmp.org/Catalog/Item/082
That's them. The ones I bought (eight or so) all had a coat of oil on them but all benefitted from additional coats. I'd call 'em to see if these are oiled or not but not a dealbreaker either way. You're gonna want to put more on in any case. As noted there's no metal included. Toughest part to put on is the rear handguard spring, has to be done carefully or you can split the wood but you have this with any stockset. At least these were dimensionally correct. There is a handguard spring tool that will help, probably a good set of snapring pliers would work too.

Don't think you can go wrong with these stocks. Although if fancy wood is your thing you might consider sourcing a stock from Wenig (sp??), I've seem some of their stocks that were really pretty special. Lots of burling and sparkle. The CMP stocks are by comparison plain walnut as advertised with respect to the grain but in my opinion that's really a good thing.
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The plain walnut would be plenty good for me, and such an improvement over what I have now. Is it worth the difference in price to get the set with metal?

This is what I'm looking to replace:



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Order one from DuPage Trading, same exact stock CMP sells except without the hideous big CMP stamp on the side ( CMP gets there stocks from DuPage)
Has all metal except butt plate
https://www.dupagetrading.com/produc...hed-stock-set/
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Order one from DuPage Trading, same exact stock CMP sells except without the hideous big CMP stamp on the side ( CMP gets there stocks from DuPage)
Has all metal except butt plate
https://www.dupagetrading.com/produc...hed-stock-set/
Thanks! I had forgotten about DuPage, had that bookmarked somewhere. That sounds like a good option. "Only one left" !
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Is it worth the difference in price to get the set with metal?
I don't know.

Sometimes I can get the rear handguard clip off the old and onto the new without breaking anything.

Sometimes I wonder why I don't just stfu.
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Thanks! I had forgotten about DuPage, had that bookmarked somewhere. That sounds like a good option. "Only one left" !
If it has the rear guard clip installed DuPage might be the move. Those things are tricky to get on. I have not personally bought anything from them but if they are just CMP stocks without the cartouche then they'd be just fine.
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Old November 09, 2018, 07:23   #41
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I have bought many stocks from them, they are good to go. Can buy they stocks with all metal except buttplate as in the link I posted
Don't worry about only 1 in stock, they supply CMP. They have plenty of stocks
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Old November 09, 2018, 09:43   #42
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That's some fine looking Garands. My poor DCM Mixmaster '43 Winchester M-1 came to me in 1991 as if it had been at Guadalcanal, Okinawa and Iwo Jima. No two pieces had matching parkerizing and the receiver heel had a plum hue as if it had been one that was "lead dipped". The wood was (3) different stains. The patchwork of colors reminded me of a Mardi Gras float. DCM put a new barrel on it and it shoots better than I can.

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I have bought many stocks from them, they are good to go. Can buy they stocks with all metal except buttplate as in the link I posted
Don't worry about only 1 in stock, they supply CMP. They have plenty of stocks
I just tried to add one of those DuPage sets to a shopping cart but received a notice saying "out of stock". I'm assuming that more will be forthcoming and I'll check back again in a few days/weeks.
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I just tried to add one of those DuPage sets to a shopping cart but received a notice saying "out of stock". I'm assuming that more will be forthcoming and I'll check back again in a few days/weeks.
give them a call...………....
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I believe I will. Thanks for that suggestion!
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I found this barrel in the junk tub and thought about using it. About 10 years ago everyone in Garand Land wanted a VAR barrel. This one is has been shot a lot though, so I think I will use a new commercial barrel.

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You have Garand barrels in a junk tub? I'm jellis!
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Well, it looks so-so, but I might try it because I don't want to finish ream another barrel.



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Old November 11, 2018, 10:02   #49
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whats the muzzle and throat wear? If no gauges stick a m2ball rd in the muzzle and take a pic from the side showing how much of the bullet is showing between the brass and muzzle
Even with high muzzle wear it may still shot well enough, proof is at the range
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Here it is with LC69 M2.

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