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Old June 11, 2017, 20:29   #1
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Ammo prices improving - except .308?

After watching ammo prices go down and up and up and then down again for the past few decades I am pleased to see prices going back down: brass .223 for .30 rnd, brass 9 mm .18/rnd, AK .20/rnd and going down.

Except for .308. Why? Still hard to find brass .308 for much cheaper than .50/rnd.

I dont expect to see Radway Green for .14/rnd ever again but .50/rnd for mil surp or magtech? Is it the proliferation of miniguns and MAG 58s that keeps .308 prices up or what? I want to dump mags thru my .308s but not for .50/rnd.

When will .308 come back down?
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Old June 11, 2017, 20:38   #2
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Never. The price of shipping and the components are close to roll your own. You need apples to apples comparisons. 1000 rounds of 9mm, x39 and 5.56 weigh how much? 500 rounds of 308 weigh about the same. Materials and shipping are the drivers.
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Old June 11, 2017, 21:05   #3
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After watching ammo prices go down and up and up and then down again for the past few decades I am pleased to see prices going back down: brass .223 for .30 rnd, brass 9 mm .18/rnd, AK .20/rnd and going down.

Except for .308. Why? Still hard to find brass .308 for much cheaper than .50/rnd.

I dont expect to see Radway Green for .14/rnd ever again but .50/rnd for mil surp or magtech? Is it the proliferation of miniguns and MAG 58s that keeps .308 prices up or what? I want to dump mags thru my .308s but not for .50/rnd.

When will .308 come back down?

Look on the bright side. You may not be able to afford 'mag dumps', but perhaps you can afford to practice your riflery skills ?
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Old June 11, 2017, 21:44   #4
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Only way to come down is to do it yourself cheaply. Ram shot tac may be the cheapest 308 powder. Cabelas sellier bellot primers for less than .02$ with the discounted gift cards. Buy up pulled 308 projectiles from places like American reloading. You can get your price per round to about 25 cents assuming reused brass.
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Old June 11, 2017, 22:26   #5
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Something that never made sense to me is when you can buy .40S&W 180gr ball cheaper then the 155-165gr ball. One would think the heavier the bullet the more it'd cost to make it.

I'm seeing .308 hovering between 50-60 cents per round online, nothing local. The store I frequent, prices seem to be going up instead of down. Wolf .223 was 7.99 a box, now it's 8.99 a box. And this was only a couple months ago.

At least .22lr has become available and somewhat reasonable.
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Old June 12, 2017, 00:20   #6
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Never. The price of shipping and the components are close to roll your own. You need apples to apples comparisons. 1000 rounds of 9mm, x39 and 5.56 weigh how much? 500 rounds of 308 weigh about the same. Materials and shipping are the drivers.

I did an analysis based on material prices, manufacturing cost, and transportation and came to the same conclusion. Plus demand is still high for military use. I doubt we will ever see new mfg .308/7.62 for less than $0.45 per round in 2017 dollars.
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Old June 12, 2017, 08:11   #7
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The biggest help would be for the government to move up from 5.56 to 7.62x51 in standard issue rifles. A steady supply of overrun mk318 SOST would make me very happy.
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Old June 12, 2017, 08:22   #8
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Well,

Ive found .308 Hirt for .48 cents a rd shipped. Best Ive seen a long time. Even the Turkish stuff you could buy at Walmart wasn't that cheap. Don't think we will ever see large quantities of 7.62x51 dumped on the US again like the late 90's early 00's.

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Old June 12, 2017, 10:00   #9
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Pretty pathetic when a case of ammo can cost as much as a nice rifle.
Praise be to the gods of handloaders...
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Old June 13, 2017, 20:53   #10
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Pretty pathetic when a case of ammo can cost as much as a nice rifle.
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Not really. Both are highly engineered assemblies made out of relatively expensive materials. And a case of 7.62 weighs 5 times as much as an FAL, so there is a lot more material.
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Old June 13, 2017, 21:43   #11
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Not really. Both are highly engineered assemblies made out of relatively expensive materials. And a case of 7.62 weighs 5 times as much as an FAL, so there is a lot more material.
I was amused watching the moving guys grab a small moving box with 2K rounds and smiled and told them "I think you need the dolly with those". A case of ammo is 50 lbs/1K. It cost a buck a pound easy to ship ammo by the time you figure the life cycle.
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Old June 14, 2017, 13:30   #12
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M193 cartridge weight 11.8g
M855 cartridge weight 12.3g
M80 cartridge weight 25.4g

As you can see double the raw materials of a 5.56 round. The thing is 308 ammo never went up like 5.56 ammo so will not come down like 5.56 ammo.
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Now that CMP is out of surplus 30.06 for the most part. They are charging $0.80 per round. .308 at under $0.50 per round hurts a little but it is better than 30.06 by a long way.

Then there's the weak roughly .30 caliber 7.62x39. Nominal prices now at $0.19 for steel case. I saw that as cheap .30 cal. and bought a case this week. If it gets much lower I may sell a .308 rifle to have money to stock up.
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Old June 14, 2017, 22:22   #14
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You can (and should) work on your 'riflery skills' any day. But a 7.62 X 51 mag dump is the Sound of Freedom Brother - that and $10 going down the tube. Ouch.
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Now that CMP is out of surplus 30.06 for the most part. They are charging $0.80 per round. .308 at under $0.50 per round hurts a little but it is better than 30.06 by a long way.
Definitely this. Shooting .308 at $0.50/rd hurts, but it's much less painful than my other rifles. Off the top of my head, 7.62x54r is in the same range, 7.5x55 is $0.60/rd for GP11 and twice that for new ammo, .303 British is usually around $0.70/rd, and my damn 6.5x55 runs close to $1.00/rd when I can even find it. Feeding old milsurp is annoyingly expensive.
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Maybe the current Administration can eliminate ammo import restrictions and we Americans can Hoover up all the remaining (?) surplus 7.62 NATO out there in the wild.

I'm a hypocrite, due the fact I will buy imported ammo, but try elsewise to buy American whenever possible.

My success in this endeavor has been mixed, in recent years...
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Old August 15, 2017, 21:29   #17
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Hallelujah! .308 milsurp from Malaysia at <.40/rnd! Finally some movement downwards on .308 prices.

Now the question is: will the price go lower over the next few years or should we start rebuilding depleted stocks now? .223 keeps going down will .308 follow?

5K rounds of Malay .308 anyone?

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Old August 15, 2017, 21:47   #18
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Hallelujah! .308 milsurp from Malaysia at <.40/rnd! Finally some movement downwards on .308 prices.

Now the question is: will the price go lower over the next few years or should we start rebuilding depleted stocks now? .223 keeps going down will .308 follow?

5K rounds of Malay .308 anyone?

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If I had the cash and the need I'd jump on it.

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