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Real I.D. and NICS check
I was just in a small gun shop here in New Hampshire. The owner told me that unless I had an updated ( Real I.D ) drivers license, that he couldn't sell me anything, cuz it won't go thru the NICS check. He also said that this went into effect at the beginning of this month.
Is this true, or is this the case of a small shop FFL not knowing what he is talking about??
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IDK. The question you really should be asking is: Why do I not have a valid Driver's License or ID.
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New Hampshire was slow to adopt Real I.D. standards for drivers licenses. Hence not everyone in the state has one yet. Mine expires next year
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Sounds like horseshit.
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Kind of my thought also
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I say its BS. NICS isn't unique to NH, we all call the same one and I hadn't had any problems with transfers before I got the Real ID.
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Can't speak for your state, but the problem is that some states issue DLs to illegal aliens.
I recall when renting a car, on the side of the rep's computer was a long list of states from whom a DL was insufficient ID. AZ only requires one to certify that they are legal, to obtain a DL (which can then be used to vote). So if you are already a criminal invader, why would you give a shit about lying on a DL application? I have received no notice from ATF about any change in the forms of .gov issued ID that are acceptable for firearms purchase, and this FED requirement does not vary by state. The only note was from a 2012 newsletter stating that Real ID still requires NICS. It sounds like the store you are dealing with, has employees insufficiently familiar with the laws under which they operate their license.
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" The identification document presented by the transferee must have a photograph of the transferee, as well as the transferee’s name, residence address, and date of birth. The identification document must also be valid (e.g., unexpired) and have been issued by a governmental entity for the purpose of identification of individuals. An example of an acceptable identification document is a current driver’s license
A combination of government issued documents may be used to meet the requirements of an identification document. For example, a passport which contains the name, date of birth, and photograph of the holder may be combined with a voter or vehicle registration card containing the residence address of the transferee in order to comply with the identification document requirements. A passport issued by a foreign government is also acceptable so long as it has all of the required information. Whether a hunting license or permit issued by a retailer meets the definition of an identification document is State law specific. This license or permit meets the definition of an identification document if the State in which the retailer is located has authorized the retailer to supply State issued documents. If the State recognizes the hunting license or permit as government issued, then this license or permit would qualify as being government issued for the purposes of supplementing another government issued identification document. A description of the location of the residence on an identification document, such as a rural route, is sufficient to constitute a residence address provided the purchaser resides in a State or locality where it is considered to be a legal residence address." https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/what...sferee-firearm For instance, in Oregon a concealed carry permit ( issued by the County) is recognized by the State of Oregon as Government issue. .....................
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AZ does not have a photo or address on their CCW (no permit is required in AZ, but it does give some reciprocity and no NICS.)
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The reason NICS may not accept your driver's license is because your state hasn't met the Feds' requirements yet.
From Wiki: The Real ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109–13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, is an Act of Congress that modifies U.S. federal law pertaining to security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for state driver's licenses and identity documents, as well as various immigration issues pertaining to terrorism. The law sets forth requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of the United States Department of Homeland Security. The Secretary of Homeland Security has defined "official purposes" as boarding commercially operated airline flights, and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants, although the law gives the Secretary the unlimited authority to require a "federal identification" for any other purposes. You can tell if your driver's license is compliant because it'll have this little gold star on its right side: ![]() There several in compliance whom have otherwise challenged the law. There are several other states who have not updated their ID processes to be in compliance yet, New Hampshire is among them. Without delving into the right/wrong of Federal intrusion into State processes, I'll say that "it is what it is."
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SC is also one of them. Before I bother to go to the DMV to get a Real Id license (my current license expires in 2023), I got myself a passport card. I had to renew my US passport anyway, so for $30 more I got the card.
It does not have your address, but with a DL and that nobody should be able to give you grief.. |
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Your FFL doesn't accept a CCW Card? My state issued CCW card doesn't require 4473's to even be called in to NICS. I fill the form out and on my merry little way
Some states go through their state police rather than federal nics. Actually, the states that go through their state police, also go through nics, it just adds a meaningless extra step and hassle involving the state police as a middle man for the service. |
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NH is a Constitutional Carry state, no CCW license is issued here
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Way to go FedGov and Ahole leftist states....let's have multiple tiers of driver licenses to confuse the fuk out of all our processes.
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"Real ID" was one of Dumbya's many Police State scams Minnesota resisted it until very recently when they decreed if the State didn't comply residents would be barred from even domestic air travel Checked with three different FFLs, they are running valid old school DLs through NCIS checks no problema here |
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PA is not compliant yet either, must use a passport to get on a plane. I think we have until end of 2019 before new licenses come out. As an FFL, I have not received any notices about non-compliant DL's being an issue. It's only an issue with TSA.
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So, kinda as I figured, this guy was just full of shit..,
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Couldn't the FFL holder try to run you through NICS and see if you get a *proceed* or not?
I guess it depends on how much you want the item and how anxious the seller is to make the sale.
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Sounds like BS. I normally provide my SS number. That in and of itself is the only thing that is relayed. The DL is copied and placed in 4473
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I just renewed my driver's license in Kansas.
If you want to be able to board a domestic aircraft flight or enter a federal facility using state issued ID in the future (starting Oct. 1, 2020) you have to get the REAL ID star. Kansas doesn't require it, but I fly periodically for work and occasionally go to federal facilities, so I needed to get it. I haven't heard anything about it being necessary for NICS checks around here.
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Real ID is a GREAT Idea.
Of course, it is only necessary because some state IDs are not vetted. One can wail about states rights all one wants, but when the states hand out drivers licenses to KNOWN CRIMINAL INVADERS, one cannot then expect the feds to honor it.
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SC is an option State. You have the option to get a Real ID (where the State keeps copies of your records of proof) or a standard DL which contains the same info as the Real DL, just missing the star or Flag. There has been no issues with using either one for purchase at any of the shops around my AO. 4473 completed by buyer, ID copied and used for NICS, 4473 completed by FFL, funds transferred, sale complete. abbreviated process
So you may want to go back to the store and speak with manager/owner to find out if it is a State requirement for the Real ID or what the source of his understanding is.
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Do you really blame the Fed, when states like CA hands out drivers licenses to criminal invaders like candy? I think it's a good thing.
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I have the new Illinois real ID license and it does not have a star on it. really stupid process from the DVM. When renewing they punch a hole in your current DL and give you a paper copy of your new license. You need to carry both until they mail your hard plastic license to your home address. takes a couple of weeks to arrive. Why the need to mail it cannot be explained by anyone at the DMV.
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AZ the make the license right then. But mailing means if the address is invalid, you won't get it.Which is a good thing, maybe?
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Yes full of shit, requirements for 4473 and nics check haven't changed.
real id act has no effect on firearms sales at the federal level. Steve
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California is the same way. You need a Real ID from the DMV to purchase firearms. The private shooting ranges around my area are telling folks that they need to have a Real Drivers License or they won't let you shoot there either.
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I live in PA and I picked up a PTR from my FFL yesterday using my driver's license. We won't have the Fed required ID until sometime next year.
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The big problem with that is quite a few things now have to go to a physical address, not a PO Box Had a big issue with a couple of my banks when I moved over this My little town don't deliver to homes, you either have a mail box at the PO or pick it up at the counter. I went round and round with idiots over this cancelled one set of accounts and had to have a sit down with a bank manager at the other bank to get it resolved Some States won't send ID to a mail box either The deal is that there are so many mail boxes etc joints years ago we went through the same thing over FFL ATF couldn't get their heads around that we didn't have mail delivery at the physical address much of small town America is like this |
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These new ID rules really suck for Americans who are overseas when their driver's license expires. If you don't have a current US address it's nearly impossible to get a new one. Of course you still have to pay federal and state taxes - but you can't get a driver's license or buy guns.
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123 City Avenue Anytown, CA 12345-6789 Your MAILING address is: PO Box 321 Anytown, CA 12345-6789 Two different entities and purposes.
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I got a private P.O. Box in town. It does not "come up" as a P.O. BOx, but rather a physical address.
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Real ID is just as much about spying on you as it is identification, might want to think about that.
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VIRGINIA WILL NOT issue a real ID drivers license to a non citizen legal resident.
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Don't get me started on Virginia...
October was my renewal month so I decided to get the new Real ID. Process involves gathering a pile of documentation and appearing in person. No online applications. Took a half-day off work the first attempt. Got all the way through the line to the counter to be told that the Real ID server was "down." Rather than just take a regular DL, I returned later in the week on Saturday. Three hours waiting outside the DMV only to be told at the door that the Real ID server was down again. WTF? Took a regular license for my renewal. Will go back for the new type later this year, I suppose. Need it for flying eventually, I understand. You guys involved with servers, tell me, is it really so damned difficult to keep them up and running? Or, is it as I suspect, that state employees are just fucktards? |
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