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Old July 23, 2018, 09:37   #102
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Very interesting. Bleach doesn't kill it.
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Old September 05, 2018, 10:26   #103
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Let's just bring 'em in by the planeload.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lling-ill.html
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Old September 05, 2018, 13:11   #104
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Let's just bring 'em in by the planeload.

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Got my attention this morning this report did!

Infect them overseas and fly them in, or infect and let them walk over from the southern borders.

Bad Bugs or bullets, my money is on bad bugs next go around.
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Got my attention this morning this report did!

Infect them overseas and fly them in, or infect and let them walk over from the southern borders.

Bad Bugs or bullets, my money is on bad bugs next go around.
I certainly wouldn't bet against you on that!
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I certainly wouldn't bet against you on that!
You and I both know, a 40x40 square foot lab, a couple of scientist types taking globs of money, and some open sourced equipment, with some bad/crazy types seeking a certain outcome, with zero concerns for their own longevity, is a Stephen King nightmare in real life.

I scan four or five newspapers daily, morning and night, looking for a reason to go to ground, lock the front gate and have zero contact with outside people.

Am surprised daily, we ain't been hit yet.
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Old September 05, 2018, 22:21   #107
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all kinds of disease out in the wild ........

not just human related

but remember the 1913 pandemic was a variant of swing flu

problem is when it makes the jump to humans



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African Swine Fever: A Growing Threat

Despite its geographical name, African swine fever (ASF), like all pig diseases, doesn’t respect boundaries. This was apparent Aug. 3 when Chinese government officials announced the nation’s first case of ASF in a northeastern province, creating a global sensation in the pig world that could have far-reaching implications. The current outbreak has already grown this month as China now has four confirmed cases of ASF (see map courtesy of Chris Rademacher, Iowa State University), which clearly shows how quickly the virus can travel—making preparations in the United States all the more critical to prevent it from reaching this country.

ASF is one of the three big foreign animal diseases (FADs) that includes foot-and-mouth disease and classical swine fever. If it reaches the United States, Iowa State University economist Dermot Hayes, estimates losses of $8 billion for the pork industry in year one alone. That doesn’t include related losses of $4 billion and $1.5 billion for the affected input commodities of corn and soybeans, respectively.

Pork Groups Collaborating to Keep ASF from U.S. Shores

Together with the National Pork Producers Council, the American Association of Swine Veterinarians, the Swine Health Information Center and USDA, the National Pork Board continues to work swiftly on prevention and response planning to help keep U.S. pig farms free of African swine fever (ASF).

Action steps shared
The pork industry organizations have developed a list of potential actions that could help prevent, and if needed, respond to an ASF incursion into the United States. According to Dave Pyburn, DVM, Checkoff’s vice-president of science and technology, “These steps have been shared with USDA officials and a collaborative discussions to hone them is ongoing. We are prioritizing all prevention initiatives ahead of any response initiatives.”

Specifically, Pyburn says prevention from any foreign animal disease (FAD) would be enhanced by USDA collaborating with Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Plant Protection and Quarantine (PPQ) to ensure flights from China and Russia (another country with current ASF infections in pigs) get enhanced passenger and cargo inspection attention. Also under consideration is sampling, monitoring and potential mitigations of imported products that might pose a risk of ASF transmission.

Monitoring, acting
The USDA’s Center for Epidemiology and Animal Health’s Risk Identification Unit is monitoring diseases around the world, including China. The pork industry plans to have increased, regular communications with the center to enhance prevention through raising awareness.

“Collaboration can help to address concerns about potential risk associated with feed and feed component imports,” says Paul Sundberg, director of the Swine Health Information Center (SHIC), which is funded by the Pork Checkoff. He points to research that’s being done to test bulk feed products and apply that learning to monitoring shipments for pathogen contamination.

According to SHIC, research into feed-pathogen mitigation options, feed additives, component holding time and temperature before processing, and Hazard Analysis and Risk-Based Preventive Controls and blockchain are being investigated with urgency.

Next steps
The Pork Checkoff, along with its partners, are working on a project that would allow producers and veterinarians to collect oral fluid instead of blood to test for FADs such as ASF, FMD and CSF. In addition, the pork industry is seeking to hold ASF-specific emergency response exercises with all industry and government stakeholders. Working closely with our Canadian and Mexican counterparts will be crucial to the overall FAD prevention strategy as well.
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Old September 06, 2018, 08:25   #108
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This year marks the 100th anniversary of the 1918 influenza (flu) pandemic that swept the globe in what is still one of the deadliest disease outbreaks in recorded history.

In September 1918, the second wave of pandemic flu emerged at Camp Devens, a U.S. Army training camp just outside of Boston, and at a naval facility in Boston. This wave was brutal and peaked in the U.S. from September through November. More than 100,000 Americans died during October alone. The third and final wave began in early 1919 and ran through spring, causing yet more illness and death. While serious, this wave was not as lethal as the second wave. The flu pandemic in the U.S. finally subsided in the summer of 1919, leaving decimated families and communities to pick up the pieces. Scientists now know this pandemic was caused by an H1N1 virus, which continued to circulate as a seasonal virus worldwide for the next 38 years.
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The population was 104M in the US. 675,000 died of the flu. Under 1%.
Military combat losses in 1918 53,000. Flu loses 45,000. Flu ended WWI.
Imagine one of the new ones that are 5% or some nasties that could reach 30%.
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It comes down to infection rates but even so:
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The population was 104M in the US. 675,000 died of the flu. Under 1%.
Military combat losses in 1918 53,000. Flu loses 45,000. Flu ended WWI.
Imagine one of the new ones that are 5% or some nasties that could reach 30%.
http://readme.readmedia.com/Influenz...-1918/15832930
I've always questioned that number dead in 1918, lack of computers, people were still planting their loved ones out in the back forty and not reporting them dead to anyone but their local pastor and church.

But even 1.6 million dead in our current population, another 30 or 40 million down sick for weeks, that might just be enough of a tipping point to blow this country wide open.

1.6 million dead in a short period of time, the panic would be staggering, runs on runs for goods, people not going to work out of fear, might just be enough to tip it all over.
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Foreign animal disease?! African Swine Fever?! That is discrimination right there! All pigs from Africa should be allowed to come to the US without passing any sanitary inspection checkpoints! And then put in pens in cities like NYC and Chicago so children can come and pet them. #africanpigsmatter
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You and I both know, a 40x40 square foot lab, a couple of scientist types taking globs of money, and some open sourced equipment, with some bad/crazy types seeking a certain outcome, with zero concerns for their own longevity, is a Stephen King nightmare in real life.

I scan four or five newspapers daily, morning and night, looking for a reason to go to ground, lock the front gate and have zero contact with outside people.

Am surprised daily, we ain't been hit yet.
About sums it up...

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This is how it begins......
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It doesn't help when the flight crews don't alert of problems while inbound. Think they didn't know or just wanted to avoid a quarantine?

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No one on either plane was quarantined, American Airlines spokeswoman Leslie Scott said. She said members of the crews had not contacted medical personnel ahead of landing to alert them of sick passengers on board.
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Foreign animal disease?! African Swine Fever?! That is discrimination right there! All pigs from Africa should be allowed to come to the US without passing any sanitary inspection checkpoints! And then put in pens in cities like NYC and Chicago so children can come and pet them. #africanpigsmatter
ASF is usually 100% deadly in pigs, but does NOT affect people.

https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics...an-swine-fever
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Ebola death reported this morning, in a city of plus 1 million in Africa.

So far, they've kept this in smaller/isolated areas, so what happens next????

Any city worldwide with a million folks, has a ton of in and out air traffic.
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ASF is usually 100% deadly in pigs, but does NOT affect people.
so far as we know, correct, but if it mutates just the right way it could make the jump to humans, thats when things go sideways


a few years ago Chinese visitors to large pig farming operations here in the US infected (thought to be carried on the soles of shoes) several populations of pigs that about 100,000 pigs had to be destroyed to try to stop the infection, all ages of pigs began pooping black slime, and most often anything passing black is most often blood, bleeding into the intestinal tract

the solution was to take infected pigs, kill them, grind them up and add to the food supply of other pigs to try to create natural antibodies

ASF has the pork producing industry scrambling looking for a cure, in the mean time they are trying to keep any possible carrier item from entering the country, my money sez that illegals crossing the southern border will be the cause
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That's the one I read this morning.

""We are now tracing more than 4,000 contacts of patients and they have spread out all over the region of northwest Congo, so they have to be followed up and the only way to reach them is motorcycles," Salama said. """"
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And why the Ponderosa has an activated carbon filtered positive pressure system plus super tight sealing so once we lock the doors, tape all seams and assemble the air lock at basement door nothing seeps in as the house is always out gassing filtered air instead of sucking in unfiltered air. Added that system to the HVAC years ago and the panic room has gasketed triple seal door and NBC rated air filtration system. I know all about the tuberculosis ward at the hospital and they vent it using fans and ducts out top of the building hoping their carbon filters stop the germs from infecting anyone downwind. Nobody is allowed on roof if have a T.B. or any contagion patient in the ward. Anything breaks it stays broken. Thier management hates escorting contractors on roof due to all the ventilation exiting on roof.
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Some people don't take virus's, etc serious.

Last three days, had a nasty bug running through my system, fever, 101 or so, headaches, chills, feel like shit ain't done much but sleep, stare at TV and this thing a little.

Coming out of it this morning, I pray.

As individuals, we're not prepared for normal little bugs, big bad ass bugs, going to be a whole nutter world in snap of ones fingers.

Damn glad ain't worried about a job feeling like this.
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It is the monkeys. Maybe that is what is happening in Florida, brain rot.
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Six weeks old but at time two deaths in Georgia from West Nile and heard on radio the other day cases seven and eight confirmed.

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/woman...Vathg7096cGnJ/

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It is not clear where the other cases of West Nile and*Eastern Equine Encephalitis*were recorded in Georgia. A department spokesman said it is against policy to release specific information about cases.

Last year, Georgia saw an increase in West Nile virus cases — 47 human cases, including seven deaths. That was up from seven human cases and no confirmed deaths related to West Nile in 2016.

While Eastern Equine Encephalitis is rare, there have been three reported cases in the state, all in South Georgia, over the past 10 years, a health official confirmed to Channel 2 Action News. EEE is rare in humans, and only a few cases are reported in the United States each year, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.*Most cases occur in the Atlantic and Gulf Coast states.*

News of the deaths and illnesses prompted officials to sound the alarm and urge people to protect themselves from mosquito bites.
From another source and these are from February 2018:

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ATLANTA, GA — The flu is still sending more Georgians to hospitals this month as the virus' death toll reaches 79 as of Feb. 10, up from 66 deaths the week before. The flu has also taken the lives of at least four Georgia children, most recently a 7-year-old girl from Walton County.

Emily Maddox was one of the nearly 2,000 Georgians who were hospitalized for the flu so far this season. On Thursday, Feb. 15, she lost liver and kidney function before tragically dying from what appeared to be cardiac arrest, Channel 2 reported the Maddox family as saying.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed that 19,398 people have been hospitalized so far this season for influenza-associated reasons. Eighty-four pediatric deaths nationwide have been reported.
CDC breaks reports down into weekly reports like this making it difficult for average person to get their minds around how many people die of the flu each year.

https://dph.georgia.gov/flu-activity-georgia

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However, this season — which has finally subsided — was particularly harsh. Kira was part of a sobering statistic during a singular flu season — 145 dead in Georgia and 3,037 hospitalizations in metro Atlanta. According to local health officials, this was the worst outbreak in decades.

“I had the flu many times,” said Molina, his voice breaking. “This had to be some kind of mutation. You don’t think anyone will die from the flu.”

His daughter didn’t get the flu shot, but he didn’t press it because neither did he. Many of his friends who got the shot ended up getting sick anyway. One was in the hospital for a week.
With Thanksgiving coming on and Christmas we find at almost every gathering someone if not a half dozen from same household show up at a holiday event with active cases of the flu not caring if pass to rest of family with similar genetics because of being blood relations. Wife and I don't have kids or grandkids so don't have that back to school and kids dragging flu bugs home so we delay our flu shots till two weeks before thanksgiving to allow inoculation time to process and be at peak performance, not fading from a late August/early September immunization date which is when the national pharmacy chains start pushing "back to school" shots to protect kids and family. Usually about time the Lysol commercials begin in earnest. This year we both got the "senior" flu shot which is just a higher dose and went back following week for pneumonia vaccination.

Today I picked up two fresh boxes of Tamiflu as soon as a serious flu bug begins to run pharmacies begin to run out quick and ration it. Have a local doctor that orders in his immunization supply twice, one batch early for school kid families that want it early and the later batch which he personally choses as his time without Thiomersal, Phenols or mercury and several other preservatives or byproducts formed in manufacturing process. His has a very short shelf life and orders what his records say will need for each surge where people on the list get an email or phone call flu shots are in and if don't get there quick will either run out or will be disposed of due to short shelf life.

On his second order he brings in a supply of what most providers use with the preservatives to put back for a suprise flu panic he can inoculate the patients that skipped shots and are scared and give low dose "boosters" to his staff and people who got their shot in August then nasty virus hits in February/March. He also uses “quadrivalent” vaccines rather than "trivalent" vaccines most providers use to protect from an additional B virus the others do not. If an odd strain starts popping up that's not covered in the quadrivalent vaccinations he uses will bring in a small supply of a single strain influenza immunization for his staff and high risk patients.

Just walking into Walgreens your general practitioner or whoever and ask for a flu shot without asking what they are using is like pumping non branded fuel without an advertised octane rating or statement if has ethanol in your Ducati motorcycle or $25,000 2,000 horsepower street racing motor. If getting the shot make sure your getting the four strain version with least preservatives and stabilizers possible. Ours was mixed from two vials and amount injected was based on age, healthough history and weight. I am more flu prone than wife as was my dad and brother. Wife almost never gets it and really never got the flu until passed age 50. She never got a flu shot till four years ago when even after me getting all my shots picked it up, brought it home, even though began on Tamiflu at first symptoms got an unusual strain which thumped me for a month and eventually got her then we kept reinfecting each other for almost ten weeks. Now she goes in with me and if doc recommends a booster she does it too. She is skipping the pneumonia vaccine for now even though I am going all in.

I picked up two Tamiflu doses in September, the two doses today and will pick up another two doses in May. Stock gets rotated and when need take from oldest box that has not passed expiration. Have two media safes in basement, one with freshest meds, one with meds not expired but reaching their limit plus a large regular office safe keep expired meds.way they are stored believe most will be good for decades past expiration date. I go into adrenal stress every once in a while due to cortisone levels dipping too low usually in extreme heat. This last episode pulled a vial of Dexamethazone from my closest kit, pulled a full syringe and slammed the 22 guage needle tiIl it bottomed out and dumped a full syringe in my hip. Felt better pretty quick. Noticed later the date on vial of Dexamethazone vial in my jump kit was fifteen years out of date.

Went and took 10 extra milligrams of Cortisone and kept my daily dose up 5 MG per day for the three days it took to get into my endocrinologist where was confirmed my orts one levels had dropped, my testosterone level was half what it should be at lowest point in trough following my weekly injection as well as thyroid going from hyperthyroidism to hypothyroidism which meant had to swap from my thyroid suppressent to thyroid suppliment. Since the pituitary cancer all my endocrine system worked fine. Once the pituitary went haywire proper signals don't get to thyroids, adrenals and more. The adrenal glands produce over forty hormones that control the bodies organ function so I am basically in full male menopause since the pituitary gland gave up and all the different organs it controls do their own thing as they see fit.

Considering yanking my thyroids so can stabilize on a thyroid suppliment dose and never worry about any significant change with it like going from over producing to underproducing then flipping back again at random but on occasion it decides to run correctly and holding out hope it may correct itself as mother had same issue for over 35 years with thyroid but about 15 years ago it leveled out and has run perfect since. I know the signs when thyroid flips and when adrenals go loopy but when testosterone level drops usually gradual and sneaks up on me. Used to get bimonthly labs then went to monthly and because Nobamacare didn't pay for monthly labs my insurance company said they had to quit as Obamacare was designed to level the playing field where my $3,500 per month health policy with $7,500 in deductibles and copays only gave me what Nobamacare gave illegal Mexicans and went to quarterly labs allowing these major flips to sneak up and could not test till threw symptoms.

Anyone that still thinks Nobamacare is a good idea is an idiot. It was designed to lower the life expectancy of elderly Americans so got less benefits while suffered excessively because expensive medical procedures they needed were no longer approved. You stand every Senator and Congressman that believe we need to reinstate Nobamacare in front of me and may have to use thyroid flipping or adrenal stress syndrome as part of my temporary insanity plea for the mayhem that ensues. Bottom line is we have enough antivirals to treat 1/3 of the U.S. population on hand in strategic reserve so if a pandemic runs politicians, military, emergency responders and their families will be only ones that get medicine to reduce likely hood of sickness or death. If not stockpiling what can get to treat yourself and family your hosed if get sick. Being able to,start an I.V. saline on yourself or wife and have some decent meds for treating issues is as important as firearms, food and shelter.
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Given the virus’ propensity for mutation and its constant presence in nature (it occurs naturally in wild water birds), experts agree that it is only a matter of time until a strain emerges that is just as contagious and deadly as the Spanish flu – and possibly even worse.

“Influenza pandemics are like earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis: they occur, and some are much worse than others,” says Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. “The idea that we would not have another 1918-like event is foolish.”

But when that will happen, he continues, is impossible to predict: “For all we know, it could be starting as we speak.” It’s also impossible to predict exactly how things will play out when a Spanish flu-like strain does reemerge – but we can make some educated guesses.
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“For all we know, it could be starting as we speak.”
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In 2017, scientists and public health organizations warned that the next global pandemic is imminent, and that no country is prepared to confront the coming waves of illness. If the next pandemic is anything like the 1918 Spanish Flu that killed 30 million people in six months, the global population will face unprecedented uncertainty. There is some indication that the next flu outbreak could involve the H7N9 strain, an influenza virus that is not yet highly contagious. H7N9 is a type of avian influenza; the first cases in humans began appearing 2013 in China. This particular strain of influenza has mainly spread through poultry to humans. There are growing numbers of reported cases that are expected to be a result of human-to-human contact. Scientists hypothesize that the longer the virus circulates in humans who have been infected with H7N9 , the potential exists for the strain to spread to larger populations.
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Had lunch with Dr. Alibek prior to trip to Russia. Good meeting but this is reality.
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This just popped up. Been around a few years but spreading.
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Damn! We have enough of our own ticks. Now we're getting Chinese ones too. Well, better keep a good supply of permythrin on hand. I probably didn't spell that right, but you get the drift.
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04 December, 2018 | Abuja – A simulation for a global pandemic response involving more than 40 countries takes place 4-6 December, 2018, coordinated by the World Health Organization’s Global Emergency Operations Centre (EOC) and by the ‘EOC Network’, a global network of health emergency operations centres. This is the first global pandemic response training exercise, and the third in a series of simulations this year, following regional exercises in Jordan and Senegal.
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Participated in a Georgia Hospital Region B pandemic drill where the coordinating hosptial, GEMA and FEMA rolled out their mobile hospitals and we sand tabled the exercise based on expected infection rate and available beds in hospitals. Based on CDC expected spread of a pandemic influenza and average available bed count northeast Georgia Region B hospitals we expected them to reach maximum capacity in under 24 hours from time CDC realized a true pandemic outbreak was happening if not before a state of emergency was declared.

Check out how many counties in Georgia do not have a hospital. Region B is northeast corner of the state.



We have nine hospitals covering ten counties and two are in my county after the big mega-hosptial purchased the really good private hospital and shutting it down. Only five are considered of any real merit and honestly only three or four can handle significant emergency cases and most burn patients are still air transported to Atlamta.



Two counties have no hospital at all and four of the smaller hospitals can are nothing more than advanced assisted care facilities. A buddy and I were real close to buying 5,000 MedicAlert bracelets with backs of all engraved "Take me to Northeast Georgia Medical Center" to sell in convienence stores in several of the counties with hospitals you didn't want to go but the largest convience store chain that initially offered to let us place a small display on their counters lawyers decided they might incur liability if someone died as being driven by Habersham, Chestatee, Mountain Lakes, etc. Our display was going to have disclaimer saying for novelty use only but I would expect treatment in the back of the ambulance or Life Flight to be at least as good as emergency room of Chestatee and Habersham.

My brother went to Chestatee after a minor dirt bike accident where the doctors sewed up his hand with a large piece of pine limb still in his hand they failed to remove and almost lost his hand. Know people that have died of minor ailments in some of our small rural hospitals that am 90% sure would have walked out of our RCH or an Atlanta hospital.

Our plan is based on closing every hospital immediately having hospital security and local police seal campus and likely bring in a Reserve or National Guard unit to hold a secure perimeter at property boundries. All orthopedic and voluntary procedures such as knee replacements, plastic surgery, etc would be cancelled and all non critical patients discharged. All patients would go to a mobile hospital, doc-in-box or primary care facility for triage. All available flu vaccines would be administered to medical staff, emergency responders, law enforcement and military till gone. Antivirals would only be given to people who were critical in order to conserve but running out quickly was expected.

Plan was is as pandemic worsens then private surgical centers and larger medical practices would become care facilities then smaller offices. Eventually triage locations would be dentist offices and every doctors office with exam rooms would absorb overflow patients and operate as micro hospitals. The master plan even extends to veterinary offices for triage and even treatment facilities as many meds for pets are better than nothing for people that don't rate a strong possibility of survival and be wasting a bed in a hospital or better prepared facility. A veterinarian can at least start an I.V. to hydrate folks and basically do the best they can with what they have.

Georgia has about 22,000 total hospital beds for about 10.4 million people. If say we got on top of it fast, got a travel ban, curfews, outright closures of all non essential work facilities, allowed only emergency responders or those seeking medical care to leave homes and just 1% of the population of Georgia developed life threatening symptoms we are 80,000 hospital beds short in Georgia. If every medical facility available were to become a 24/7 treatment facility for critical patients we still could not handle an influenza or other pandemic that affected more than 1% of the population. I believe only people with critical skills, serious political connections or were one of the first people in the door before system goes on lock down over 90% of critical cases will get no medical care.

With people sick and hungry world will go totally sideways. Luckily those that choose to roam and try to seek medicine and food whether ethically or by force will be exposed and get sick faster than those able to hole up. If able to seal your home and keep it at positive pressure with filtered air and hold infiltrators off will have best chance of survival. During the late 2017/early 2018 flu pandemic wife nor I went to grocery store, out in public except some doctors visits (cancelled all with general practioners and only went to orthopedic and spinal specialists) as well as skipped Thanksgiving and Christmas gatherings with our own families. We pumped fuel from our own gasoline and diesel stodage tanks so not touching pump handles, pressing buttoms on key pads or even standing close to others pumping fuel. We ate food that had in house and except for work (kept doors closed and only dealt with clients over phone and email) thus pretty much avoided 90% of our normal human contact.

We have all we need after seal house to treat many possible pandemic issues at we may hAve to deal with. Have antivirals, antibacterials, wide range of oral and injectable meds, a huge stockpile of I.V.'s and even adult diapers in case one is too sick to get out of bed and other can't help them get to bathroom. This year we both opted for the senior flu shot and pneumonia inoculations. If an influenza outbreak gets bad enough we have a set way we handle ourselves and minimize our risk of exposure. If we feel onset of symptoms begin appropriate meds immediately. If television, radio, whatever (monitoring emergency services communications) begins elevating danger status we elevate precautions to match and will likely be the first to seal our house, go positive pressure and stay indoors.

Even when no real bugs are going around we keep disposable latex gloves in vehicles and if go in grocery use hand wipes to clean buggy handle then our hands when get home. Went to grocery store today, wiped down buggy, gathered groceries (last trip of year possibly) then used hand wipes when got to truck. Brought in house, dropped all in garage then as pulled canned goods actually washed the cans, wiped off boxes and prepackaged freezer food that comes in sealed container with box as well was removed from box, put in freezer and box thrown in trash. I have no idea how many sick people may have handled each can, box or package from packaging plant to warehouse where pallets are often split and orders filled for individual stores, stock persons putting on shelves and other shoppers pilfering through products.

If hospitals are maxed and one gets sick we will treat each other unless it's so bad local EMA remembered that I am the only ham radio operator familiar with their radios both amateur and public severe walking distance from their facility. Might go in as will have our own room with a bed, shower facilities, food, doctors, meds and SWAT team security. Also have the option of going to the family farm where closest neighbor is a mile away but believe my brothers goofy family will already be afflicted and want us to expose ourselves caring for the bunch of them. Luckily prepping for pandemics, EMP's, civil uprisings, interruption of food supply, medicine shortages all overlap so in preparing for one then helps protect from the others. From the most basic precautions to ability to treat ourselves we try not to let even small things take us down. Should see me open a door at a public building...
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And here we go! This could be bad. I think at least this president would enforce closing our borders. Heaven help us if we get an airborne version as Reston showed is possible.
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