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Old October 09, 2017, 14:14   #1
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Las Vegas Concertgoers Sue Bump Fire Stock Maker Slide Fire Solutions

Las Vegas Concertgoers Sue Bump Fire Stock Maker Slide Fire Solutions

Three people who were at the concert last week on which Stephen Paddock rained gunfire from his Mandalay Bay hotel room have sued Slide Fire Solutions, apparently the maker of the bump fire stocks used in the shooting spree. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act was enacted to shield firearms makers against suits resulting when their otherwise legal products are used by criminals to injure or kill. The PLCAA, however, does not extend its protections to accessory makers.

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Old October 09, 2017, 15:32   #2
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Old October 09, 2017, 15:42   #3
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You would think that the company's law team could get these ridiculous charges dropped in a federal court. But given the large number of federal judges who were appointed by the Klinton Krime Family and Zippy the Wonder Pussy I sure wouldn't count on it.

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Old October 09, 2017, 15:45   #4
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Which begs the question, why don't they sue the shooter's estate instead? His brother has continually stated that the shooter and his family are wealthy, after all it was nothing to send 100,000$ overseas or spend more than that gambling, and the shooter seems more culpable than slide fire.
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Old October 09, 2017, 16:10   #5
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Which begs the question, why don't they sue the shooter's estate instead? His brother has continually stated that the shooter and his family are wealthy, after all it was nothing to send 100,000$ overseas or spend more than that gambling, and the shooter seems more culpable than slide fire.
That's coming as well I presume. Still, the gun accessory manufacturer is likely a "bigger" target.
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Old October 09, 2017, 16:45   #6
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Sue the concert promoter. They failed to provide adequate ballistic barriers,or any what so ever. Sue the Mandalay.
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Old October 09, 2017, 18:04   #7
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This begs the question, is a magazine an accessory? Are they next? Maybe this has already bene ruled upon.
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Old October 09, 2017, 18:06   #8
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Which begs the question, why don't they sue the shooter's estate instead? His brother has continually stated that the shooter and his family are wealthy, after all it was nothing to send 100,000$ overseas or spend more than that gambling, and the shooter seems more culpable than slide fire.
The shooters assets have been frozen as of yesterday.
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Old October 09, 2017, 18:14   #9
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Old October 09, 2017, 19:22   #10
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Why doesn'tthe manufacturer of vehicles driven by drunk drivers get slapped with lawsuits every day? Hell sue the .gov for making the roads he drove in on...
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Old October 09, 2017, 20:05   #11
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The shooters assets have been frozen as of yesterday.
I have a weird feeling the 'family wealth' came from some very questionable sources that some powerful people don't want disclosed, especially in a court room.
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Old October 10, 2017, 08:54   #12
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Hmm. I wonder if he's protected under the lawful commerce in firearms act?
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I think they should sue the ATF for approving it.
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Old October 10, 2017, 11:43   #15
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Why doesn'tthe manufacturer of vehicles driven by drunk drivers get slapped with lawsuits every day? Hell sue the .gov for making the roads he drove in on...
What about fat people suing spoon makers?
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Hmm. I wonder if he's protected under the lawful commerce in firearms act?
I would think a case could be made for this. Otherwise, you would have them going after Magpul, Surefire, Geiselle, Eotech, Trijicon and every other manufacturer of firearm accessories.
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What if he had used a rubber band or shoe string????
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I'm still of the opinion you go after the event coordinators, the hotel, and the city of LV. Here's my thinking...

1. Even was held in an area that was not secure. Sure, you couldn't get your gat in through the metal detectors, but when an event is open otherwise they failed in their attempt at security. Metal detectors mean that the ticket holder paid for security, the security failed them. That's a fault of the organizers.

2. Hotel isn't that old and glass-breakage alarms have been around for a LOT longer than it has, and they are not some crazy-expensive piece of equipment. They should have known the moment the glass was broken. My guess is most of the time it happens it's the guy that just gambled away his kids college fund and is thinking of taking a flying leap, but that's still reason to have the alarms. Fault of the hotel.

3. The city... If the president or some other dignitary were in town they are a big city and know the drill to take the high ground so that bad guys can't. There were cops on the ground around the event so it wasn't like it was news to them, and additionally they should EXPECT an event like this as some crazy jihadi just loves taking out the masses at places and on people they consider "sinful" (see Miami for reference). LV f'ing PRIDES itself on being called "Sin City." How the @#%! could they not see a need for overwatch security at an event of this magnitude? It's a barrel filled with fish, surrounded by perfect firing points; it wasn't a matter of "if" but simply "when?" Guess we now know. Fault LV.

The bumpfire was just a means to an end, no more than ammonium nitrate in OK City or a truck in France. If you continue to blame the inanimate object and not the perpetrators in this blameless society we might as well shut down our criminal justice system and let chaos reign like the snowflakes want.
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I'm still of the opinion you go after the event coordinators, the hotel, and the city of LV. Here's my thinking...

1. Even was held in an area that was not secure. Sure, you couldn't get your gat in through the metal detectors, but when an event is open otherwise they failed in their attempt at security. Metal detectors mean that the ticket holder paid for security, the security failed them. That's a fault of the organizers.

2. Hotel isn't that old and glass-breakage alarms have been around for a LOT longer than it has, and they are not some crazy-expensive piece of equipment. They should have known the moment the glass was broken. My guess is most of the time it happens it's the guy that just gambled away his kids college fund and is thinking of taking a flying leap, but that's still reason to have the alarms. Fault of the hotel.

3. The city... If the president or some other dignitary were in town they are a big city and know the drill to take the high ground so that bad guys can't. There were cops on the ground around the event so it wasn't like it was news to them, and additionally they should EXPECT an event like this as some crazy jihadi just loves taking out the masses at places and on people they consider "sinful" (see Miami for reference). LV f'ing PRIDES itself on being called "Sin City." How the @#%! could they not see a need for overwatch security at an event of this magnitude? It's a barrel filled with fish, surrounded by perfect firing points; it wasn't a matter of "if" but simply "when?" Guess we now know. Fault LV.

The bumpfire was just a means to an end, no more than ammonium nitrate in OK City or a truck in France. If you continue to blame the inanimate object and not the perpetrators in this blameless society we might as well shut down our criminal justice system and let chaos reign like the snowflakes want.
I started a thread about the first person to sue the Hotel wins...... Bumpfire Systems will wait until the suit is thrown out or a judgment is in place and then
File Chapter 7. Completely useless for the victims suing. The hotel is going to get hammered.
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I'm still of the opinion you go after the event coordinators, the hotel, and the city of LV. Here's my thinking...

1. Even was held in an area that was not secure. Sure, you couldn't get your gat in through the metal detectors, but when an event is open otherwise they failed in their attempt at security. Metal detectors mean that the ticket holder paid for security, the security failed them. That's a fault of the organizers.
Wasn't there only one exit as well?
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Sue the Mandalay Bay Hotel? What kind of security should a hotel have? What would it take to Paddock proof a hotel?

Can Paddock be sued? He's the one responsible but he's dead. Can or should his estate be sued? Sure, he's responsible for the atrocity. This was no accident.
His entire estate should be sold off
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Sue the Mandalay Bay Hotel? What kind of security should a hotel have? What would it take to Paddock proof a hotel?

Can Paddock be sued? He's the one responsible but he's dead. Can or should his estate be sued? Sure, he's responsible for the atrocity. This was no accident.
His entire estate should be sold off
See "broken glass alarm." It's a clue something bad is about to happen, no matter what that something is.
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'broken glass alarm'

Whoa, that's a big one. Activate a SWAT team immediately.
In Vegas it just means someone is going to jump

And that security guard? If I was his age(young 20s), I wouldn't have been any more help than he was. Hookers, drugs and everything else going on at the hotel, it's unlikely anybody would have known anything was going on.
After the gunshot in his leg, the guy was probably in shock. He may not have legal resident status. Who knows what happened next.

I've worked in the marine industry most of my life. An alarm going off isn't a call to arms. Bad sensors, bad wiring or who knows what. It's something to be checked out but by whom. Maintenance would be the one to call, not SWAT.
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I say sue those making magazines...
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I say sue those making magazines...
Time...
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I have to assume those are standard capacity magazines and not the more
deadly high capacity magazines.....

BTW You can sue a ham sandwich and win....The Hotel WILL be sued you can
bet on it.....no pun....ijs
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I am surprised they have not sued the gun maker, ammo factory, and LGS for selling to the guy.

And, more importantly, what about Puttin? How come he has not been blamed for this yet?
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Gun-Control Group Sues 'Bump Stock' Makers Over Las Vegas Shooting Massacre

A prominent gun-control group filed a lawsuit Tuesday against the maker of “bump stocks,” the devices believed to have been used by a mass shooter in Las Vegas to inflict maximum carnage when he opened fire on a country music festival last week. The devices, which are legal, essentially allow semiautomatic weapons to rapid-fire bullets, much like an automatic rifle or machine gun would. A dozen rifles fitted with bump stocks were found in the hotel suite of Stephen Paddock, who killed 58 people in 11 minutes from his perch on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel on Oct. 1.

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I think they should sue the ATF for approving it.
The ATF never "approved" it as it never met any criteria necessary to be regulated.

Legal before evaluation and just as legal after evaluation.

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I have a weird feeling the 'family wealth' came from some very questionable sources that some powerful people don't want disclosed, especially in a court room.
This.

Can't sue the Feds...
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