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Old November 04, 2018, 10:31   #1
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100 yd 10 dot challenge on M14 forum.

Ok, the rifle I built especially for this Challenge is working properly. Max spread .75" average less than .30" for 10 rnds. I am a happy camper.
Score 10-10. I am not competing. Just honing my skills.
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All Bula XM21 version 1 Ser# 3. with Bula barrel.
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Scope is a cheapo Hi Lux Dominator XR 6-30x56mm from Sportman's Guide.
ARMS #22 lever quick detach rings.

Ammo is DAG berdan brass with Tula berdan primers.\
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45 gr of Varget.

Shot from a loaded magazine, not single loaded this time. Off Atlas bipod and accushot monopod on the back. resting on my portable 3 legged table.




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Old November 04, 2018, 11:57   #2
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I have been thinking about starting a new game at the gun club along the same lines as to what you are doing here. Great shooting, paper never lies.
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Art Luppino started this challenge on the M14 forum a few years ago. I just keep scores now. It's way more difficult that most think with an M14 semi-auto.
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I was thinking about the tea cup challenge, shooting one shot from each shooting position and hitting a target the size of a tea cup at 100 yards.
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After shooting at 1" dots at a hundred, a tea cup could be shot offhand.
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After shooting at 1" dots at a hundred, a tea cup could be shot offhand.
A long time ago Jeff Cooper said the standard for a good rifleman would be hitting a teacup at 100 yards from any shooting position on demand. Thought about setting up a match useing clay pigeons as teacups.
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After shooting at 1" dots at a hundred, a tea cup could be shot offhand.
I cannot recall testing this theory with a rifle, but with a bow, "shoot small, miss small" seems true.

If I shoot at a softball size bullseye, I get softball sized arrow groupings.

If I shoot at a quarter sized bullseye, my groups tighten up around it.
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A long time ago Jeff Cooper said the standard for a good rifleman would be hitting a teacup at 100 yards from any shooting position on demand. Thought about setting up a match useing clay pigeons as teacups.
In my humble opinion this is a much more revealing challenge because the rifle can't do anything the rifleman can't do. Clay Pigeons at 100 yards, 10 rounds on 10 targets followed by a drop to sitting with a mag change and repeat. Under time, hasty slings allowed. I would do it with iron but allow either. If you want a prone stage move it out to 200, anyone can't hit a clay from 100 from prone with a Garand or M1A needs remedial training.
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Damn fine shootin' Art. I've got the same barreled action sitting in a Sage chassis that's getting broken in currently. Only able to shoot factory match ammo currently but with FGGM I've got a chance to go 7 or 8 outta 10 with it if the stars align.

Also have an LRB wearing a Wolfe WMMW barrel built by our IRONWORKER here that just ate some of the 175gr FGGM for the first time today. The 175gr show promise of getting me close to 10 for 10. My biggest obstacle is the Indian, not the arrow.
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In my humble opinion this is a much more revealing challenge because the rifle can't do anything the rifleman can't do. Clay Pigeons at 100 yards, 10 rounds on 10 targets followed by a drop to sitting with a mag change and repeat. Under time, hasty slings allowed. I would do it with iron but allow either. If you want a prone stage move it out to 200, anyone can't hit a clay from 100 from prone with a Garand or M1A needs remedial training.
In the match it would be who does it with the fastest time. All strapped in and tied down or off the bench would be out of the question, just the shooter and his rifle. Scopes would be fine and slings too but no other accessories like bipods.. Give the shooter two runs for a time combination. Still pondering it out but I think I could make it fun for shooters.
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In the match it would be who does it with the fastest time. All strapped in and tied down or off the bench would be out of the question, just the shooter and his rifle. Scopes would be fine and slings too but no other accessories like bipods.. Give the shooter two runs for a time combination. Still pondering it out but I think I could make it fun for shooters.
Does sound like fun.
Once upon a time I would have enjoyed this, but now with one one almost useless arm, puts me out of even trying. Bipods are keeping me in my game.
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In the match it would be who does it with the fastest time. All strapped in and tied down or off the bench would be out of the question, just the shooter and his rifle. Scopes would be fine and slings too but no other accessories like bipods.. Give the shooter two runs for a time combination. Still pondering it out but I think I could make it fun for shooters.
I said 10 shots, had M14 on the brain. Make it 8 to include M1s in the game. Yep, just the shooter & the rifle. 8 standing, 8 sitting, fastest time wins. Garands use full enblocs, those shooting box mag rifles load eight per. Better yet 4&4, a good shooter might do it without a reload but most will probably need more than 8 total. Will help groove a couple of good habits starting with (a) don't miss and (b) if ya do, don't quit.

Yep, under time. 4 standing, 4 sitting. Start from port arms, with either rifle loaded & ready or bolts open depending on range rules. This will be a good drill and more revealing than just sandbagging a rifle.
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This is my most often used position these days. Rifle in photo is M-14 in 6.5 Creedmoor. My fancy shooting table is in the background.



Love all the different challenges.
Give the 10 1" dot a try. It is not a easy as one would think.
Never tried sandbags or a concrete bench, but I usually do better than the birds that do. It's all good clean fun.
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Art,
Nice shooting.
I'm surprised no one has absconded with your fancy shooting table and chair!

My dad and I shoot a 100 yard challenge using scoped, precision AR's off a rest.
We use a 50 yard International Benchrest rimfire target and shoot one round at each of 25 bullseyes for score...possible 250.
Each bullseye is ~2 inch diameter with ~dime sized 10 ring.
We are happy when we break the 200 mark and that target makes for challenging shooting.

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This is the target I use for load development at 100 yds. .22 10.
I have cleaned this target at 50 yds a couple of times with my scoped 82G.

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I said 10 shots, had M14 on the brain. Make it 8 to include M1s in the game. Yep, just the shooter & the rifle. 8 standing, 8 sitting, fastest time wins. Garands use full enblocs, those shooting box mag rifles load eight per. Better yet 4&4, a good shooter might do it without a reload but most will probably need more than 8 total. Will help groove a couple of good habits starting with (a) don't miss and (b) if ya do, don't quit.

Yep, under time. 4 standing, 4 sitting. Start from port arms, with either rifle loaded & ready or bolts open depending on range rules. This will be a good drill and more revealing than just sandbagging a rifle.
Ya that looks like fun.
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^^^ Your target is more amenable to commercial boxes of rifle ammo @ 20 rounds (minus sighters and fouling shots, of course).

Yes, ours is also a very nice target for it's intended purpose: 50 yard smallbore.
I have come close to cleaning one with a 10/22, scoring like 235, or so.
I have not cleaned one of the 25 shot IBS targets...yet!
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I like to remember that today is the first day of the rest of my life.
Starting afresh is a good thing in my mind.
Let the grumpy turds lay where they fall.
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I like to remember that today is the first day of the rest of my life.
Starting afresh is a good thing in my mind.
Let the grumpy turds lay where they fall.
Live in the moment.

What time is it? Now.
Where am I? Here.

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New scope showed up today. Can't wait for the rain to stop so I can give her a test.

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Art, you're gonna really like that scope just sayin ...
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Thanks, problem is I like them all way too much.
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Bula, JAE and Night Force. I have a feeling this combination might just suit my requirements.

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Shot some M118LR today. Not as tight a group as my handloads at 100yds but I take it. Ain't too shabby for an M14 type rifle in semi-auto mode.
10 rnd group in photo.

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Not bad at all. Will probably uncork some of mine this weekend. Not gonna bench it though, probably will work a few of those 4x4 drills to see what works.
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Agree completely.
In all my 70 plus years, I have yet to shoot a bench-rested rifle in anything other than 22 cal and that was some years ago.
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Art, I love the scope. That rifle just screams for some long range fun. How long is your barrel on that one?

When I went through my sniper course when I worked for the Department of the Army, we had to go 5 for 5 in a 2 inch circle from standing, sitting and kneeling. They weren’t all at 100 yards but it wasn’t very easy. It seems like we had 10 seconds for each shot.

Went to another sniper training course where we had to shoot as many clay targets in 90 seconds as we could (there were 20 to start). The fun part was that the first shot was to a steel target that was connected to a steel cable that all the clay targets were hanging from. This caused all the clay targets to dance and spin. Never say anyone get all 20 of them.
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Art, I love the scope. That rifle just screams for some long range fun. How long is your barrel on that one?

When I went through my sniper course when I worked for the Department of the Army, we had to go 5 for 5 in a 2 inch circle from standing, sitting and kneeling. They weren’t all at 100 yards but it wasn’t very easy. It seems like we had 10 seconds for each shot.

Went to another sniper training course where we had to shoot as many clay targets in 90 seconds as we could (there were 20 to start). The fun part was that the first shot was to a steel target that was connected to a steel cable that all the clay targets were hanging from. This caused all the clay targets to dance and spin. Never say anyone get all 20 of them.
22" Ultra heavy Bula Barrel.

Sounds like fun but my position shooting is limited. I have a left arm that is ab out useless since getting the shoulder crushed a few years ago. Most of my shooting these days is prone off bipod and mono pod on the butt.
My 10 rnd groups are all shot in just under a minute at 100 yds. The ones that are all shot on top of each other are the easy ones. The shots at 10 different dots at 100 are the hard ones to clean, but more fun at the same time.
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Anyone who thinks the 10 dot 100 yard target isn't difficult with a M1A you need to try it.
You will be very humbled
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Rgr that. It is fun but takes a lot of work.
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Hey Art , couple questions

Did I just see what I think I saw with the MSRP of the JAE chassis ?

More importantly , in your opinion , are they worth it?

Don't mind me , I'm just Kicking the dust off of one of my half lings
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Hey Art , couple questions

Did I just see what I think I saw with the MSRP of the JAE chassis ?

More importantly , in your opinion , are they worth it?

Don't mind me , I'm just Kicking the dust off of one of my half lings
If it was right around 2K yes.

Only if you want to squeeze the most possible out of your M14.

Want a real shock , check out the msrp on the NF ATACR 5-25x56 F1.

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New scope showed up today. Can't wait for the rain to stop so I can give her a test.


Our VSP Tac. team just got these scopes on their new rifles. They love them and the 1000 yd. steel is no problem.......Happy Birthday and Semper fi
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