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Old October 09, 2018, 12:01   #1
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FN CAL: chat and discussion.

Here's a couple of videos on the FN CAL, an interesting but ultimately doomed rifle. I'm posting this thread mostly for discussion of thoughts and opinions on the CAL:



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Old October 09, 2018, 13:07   #2
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A few guys who are members in here have a few of them and I can tell you, if youíve ever had one in your hands, they are fantastic rifles and exceedingly rare. London Gunís of Santa Monica, CA imported 20 of them in 1980 along with 20 FN-FAL 50.00 rifles.
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Old October 09, 2018, 13:56   #3
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Looked one over in Las Vegas a couple years back; guy was driving a Ferrari (among others) so maybe beyond caring about price. He had the scope mount and was fitting it up with an FN marked optic. No prices discussed; the gentleman had at least three of them in their separate safe....they're still there.
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Old October 09, 2018, 14:10   #4
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A couple of things that I've wondered since I got kind of on an FN kick. One, is the CAL mostly stamped as far as the upper/lower receiver? If so, those must've been some expensive stampings given that the FNC has a forged lower and is reportedly significantly cheaper to make.

Secondly, Larry Vickers alluded in his video to the locking lugs and their recesses being more difficult to clean than with a conventional radial two lug or multi-lug bolt. Is there any truth or fiction to this and what were the CAL's other failings that lead to the FNC replacing it?
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Old October 09, 2018, 16:18   #5
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I got about 7 different CAL's in total.

Still got several

They are in my opinion, the most elegant semi/selective firearms FN ever made.

Just plain beauties.

















They got a few nice features like the sealing zipper that close the boltgap like your fly.






The triburst was something unique to 1968 standards. It resets completely btw, not like the M16 3burst. If you fire 2 rds, next time, the M16 fires 1 and the FN CAL fires 3 rds.

The maintnance and fieldstripping is indeed more complex a FAL or FNC. But, it ain't rocket since. To do this in pitch dark... Lets say i can fieldstrip a FN MAG58 or minimi faster as i can do my CAL's.
The cleaning is not so difficult.








Also, there 25rd mags are rare but they got a round indicator (back in 1968!)
Check out the P-mags, they act like they invented the warm water.
It's a 50 year old concept




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Old October 09, 2018, 16:24   #6
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You love'm or you hate'm.

I sold a few in order to get those 6 original Dutch FN FAL's. Pitty but money doesn't grow on my back.

Choises, choises...
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Old October 10, 2018, 07:53   #7
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Somewhat of a random question (though it concerns the CAL), which do you think works better, the CAL's charging handle "gasket" seal, or the FNC's metal or polymer sliding dust cover?
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Old October 10, 2018, 12:05   #8
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Somewhat of a random question (though it concerns the CAL), which do you think works better, the CAL's charging handle "gasket" seal, or the FNC's metal or polymer sliding dust cover?
To keep dirt out, the CAL system.
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Old October 10, 2018, 13:39   #9
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Also, I'm wondering why the CAL is slightly shorter than the FNC though the FNC has a shorter barrel?

Also, I have a few FNC topics here, and I'd think that a hybrid of the FNC and CAL would've been a pretty good rifle.
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Old October 10, 2018, 14:42   #10
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Man, this is really interesting as I thought the CAL & FNC were the same gun! Thx!
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Old October 10, 2018, 15:56   #11
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Man, this is really interesting as I thought the CAL & FNC were the same gun! Thx!
Nope, internaly completely different. The recoilspringassy is in the front in a CAL, the recoilspring on a FNC is behind the boltcarrier.

The cockinghandle locks the spring assy on to the carrier in a cal.

Early models have slim front handguards.
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paco, how is the side sling bar attached on the fixed-stock rifle? Something like that would be sweet on my FAL.
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Old October 11, 2018, 07:02   #13
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There is no side attach point for the sling on a fixed, only one at the rear end of the fixed stock, just like a FAL, its a rotating swivel.

The para has 2 points. On in the middle, one in the stock


Same as FAL M3


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Old October 11, 2018, 20:16   #14
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The welds on those 25 rounders are bemusing. Did they convert them from something?

Lovely rifles, y’all. They’re the aesthetic love child of the FAL and the AR-180 that I’ve always wanted.
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Old October 11, 2018, 22:47   #15
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The welds on those 25 rounders are bemusing. Did they convert them from something?

Lovely rifles, y’all. They’re the aesthetic love child of the FAL and the AR-180 that I’ve always wanted.
I thought the same, they just added on to a 20rd mag it looks like.

Paco- do you have a son to carry on this amazing collection?

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Pack - do you want a son to carry on this amazing collection?
....I have already volunteered !!
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You could do some searching and find a nice TLC and do the same thing, still saving a bunch of $$ and end up with a nice, comfortable CAPABLE rig...
(Jiminy Christmas, did I just recommend a 'yota?!!??)
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Ok, Andy was first.

You realise you will need to do the dishwash and mown the grass?

Yep, i got kids. My daughter even shoots on international level
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Small small price to pay....
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There is no side attach point for the sling on a fixed, only one at the rear end of the fixed stock, just like a FAL, its a rotating swivel.

The para has 2 points. On in the middle, one in the stock


Same as FAL M3



I'm speaking of the firearm in pictures 4-6. Sling is attached to a side sling bar on the left side using an HK-type hook.
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One thing that the CAL has that the FNC lacks in my opinion (other than a last round bolt lock, and this is just my opinion) is the barrel nut system. I have an old (1970-ish) copy of Small Arms of the World and it shows the CAL with a dismounted barrel, and it seems that removing the barrel, though not necessary for normal maintenance, is quite easy and doesn't disturb headspace.

Also interesting is that the CAL (again, photos from the same edition of Small Arms of the World) was one of the first rifles designed to use an underbarrel grenade launcher with minimal changes. It could also be used like the M79 as a stand alone grenade launcher when fitted with an adapter that used a FAL/CAL folding stock.
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