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Old February 15, 2018, 17:06   #201
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Read the Trial Testimony; it took 40 bodies to make 55 lbs of soap.

British POW's, WHO WERE forced labor IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP, also testified about the soap making.

It is real. The same as those snazzy uniforms given to the SS, who ran all the camps--Extermination, Concentration and moving labor camps.

The fact is that the Nazis made soap out of the dead, and used the bodies for other industrial purposes, including experiments on the living.

You do not have a shovel big enough to bury that monster; its head will always pop up, because it is true.
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Read the Trial Testimony; it took 40 bodies to make 55 lbs of soap.

British POW's, WHO WERE forced labor IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP, also testified about the soap making.

It is real. The same as those snazzy uniforms given to the SS, who ran all the camps--Extermination, Concentration and moving labor camps.

The fact is that the Nazis made soap out of the dead, and used the bodies for other industrial purposes, including experiments on the living.

You do not have a shovel big enough to bury that monster; its head will always pop up, because it is true.
what testimony, indeed what evidence ?

This is like a few Black gals who screamed White boy Gang Rape and were later found very lacking V

Even by your claim there was less than 1.25 pounds of soap produced per body. I figure that's well over twice what I could extract from a lean human body.
Guess those damn Jews had to be fattened up but good by the Nazi Machine prior to fat harvest huh

This is just comical Mr. V Gas but do carry on
this is delving into total fucktardery
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I suspected that you missed the above link, directly above.

Direct Testimony at the Dachau Trial, that's where.
You are spinning in a whirlpool, RSS.

Military Trials and Tribunals, are formal Legal proceedings and meetings, where persons of rank education and authority, set up a trial of persons accused of crimes, based upon "the rules and laws."

It is all pretty elementary. Maybe they have such situations up where you live?

Now as in above, as the Dachau Trial:
40 bodies to make 55 lbs of soap.
That is fact.

It happened, same as medical experimentation on the living, by Nazis Dr's; see the Doctors Trial link.

Now, your earlier description of "sweet duty"--referring to working at Auschwitz, and the other concentration camps, is obviously just to "bait" hostile responses from me, and others as part of your agenda here.

"Sweet Duty," is almost trolling at its finest.

I cannot fathom such a motivation from anyone, that would engender such a statement. It is foul beyond description.

NO ONE on earth has ever believed your statement about concentration camp assignment, as being "sweet duty", even you.
It has to be untrue what you say and disingenuous.

Not even the SS camp guards would have referred to such duty as "Sweet." It was an abomination to be there in any capacity.

"Sweet", is simply a purely demonic description, of the conditions for the enslaved workers at the camps, let alone for those to be summarily exterminated.

I sense that you said that in pure anger, to provoke a response.

I leave it at that. It cannot be more plain, you "own" it now.

Lets talk clothing.

No one who was sent to the extermination camps to die, like at Auschwitz, THE SWEET DUTY assignment, was ever issued striped pajamas to wear to die in. Why would they?

The enslaved workers there, who worked this Extermination camp Complex...Auschwitz I, II, III, IV, who were kept alive for a time, were all issued such clothing to ID them.

Why the PJ's?
You say that they were volunteers, being paid on cush assignment.

They had their own clothing, and could have been issued military uniforms or given the clothing of the dead...........but no, the Nazis needed to know who so shoot immediately, if they saw stripes running anywhere.

You clothe prisoners in stripes, or OJ as we do today, not "volunteers in a sweet assignment.

Note that the enslaved laborers, had already built and maintained the camps, and then survivors continued to work as slave labor, at German run factories nearby, especially in Germany itself.

Germany---where many concentration camps were located and where they wore those striped PJ's. Dachau, Germany? Ring a bell?

The women, children and elderly, were sent directly to the death camps, had their heads shaven, and sent to the gas chambers naked....no stripes.

They never got those German designer PJ's.

Now if such an assignment if not an SS camp Guard was so sweet, why were all the volunteer workers, kept inside fenced barracks and wearing striped PJ's?

I admit that getting you to answer such questions about the meaning of "sweet" in relation to this situation will start you spinning again about the time of day on Mars, or some sort of Irish atrocity, but lets stick to the topic of human soap and "sweet duty" at the camps.

Remember, ALL those Concentration camps in Germany alone, utilized those slave labor personages, all dressed in striped PJ's too.

Every Concentration camp also had a crematorium to burn the dead as so many perished on the job in those sweet locations. Did they die on those "bowling alleys or in the movie theaters"?

When Bergen-Belsen alone was liberated by the Brits, only 37,000 "volunteer workers" were left alive, dressed in "sweet" striped PJ's.

We are now getting at the "nut" of the reason for the Trials at Nuremberg.

I ask you to respond as to the authority of the Allied Powers to try the German Personnel, and to take testimony?

Maybe this will enlighten us, "square" "idiots."
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Auschwitz 1 was extremely sweet to being in 2 or 3 which were the actual extermination camps V

Again it's the basic difference to being an inmate housed at a prison farm versus being on Death Row
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Aushwitz One, was an extermination camp. Sweet?

http://auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-i/

Here is a non wiki link, about Auschwitz One.

"Sweet"?
You certainly need a dictionary.
It was a German run butcher shop, covered with inhumanity and blood.


"From its founding in 1940 and the deportation of the first transport of Poles, political prisoners on June 14, 1940, to the first months of 1942, when it functioned exclusively as a concentration camp—that is, predominantly a place of slow killing, as the result of deliberately created, inhuman conditions, above all starvation;"From the first months of 1942 to October 1944, when the camp continued to function as a concentration camp for prisoners of various ethnic backgrounds (from mid-1942 mainly Jews, Poles, and Gypsies), while simultaneously functioning as the largest center for the immediate, mass killing of Jews brought here within the framework of the campaign for the destruction of the entire Jewish population of Europe."


Remember this was right after the Nazis killed off 3 million Russian POW's captured between June and November, 1941.

Of course this Auschwitz website, is run by those who operate the place today.

I suppose that the lack of "sweetness" is just because of their bias?
What was sweet about the place? Was it just a place where Germans could be Germans? A Playground?


Black Jack Pershing was the leader of All American Forces in WWI, and refused to be subjugated by the French, thus hastening the defeat of the Kaiser and his forces.

Had Pershing and Woodrow Wilson capitulated to French control, Germany might have won, and avoided all those war reparation payments.

Pershing, and then Lend lease............damn

Germany today, is a direct product of America's pursuit of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness over the last century.......... not Germany's.

THAT is sweet, for sure.

Now the reason for the Trials is the subject of the thread.

You seem to be proving the absolute need at the time, that the Trials had to occur, to set the German people straight about what they did.

Apparently there are some today that feel that the Extermination Camps and Concentration Camps were some sort of necessity.

I suggest that you might clarify your words and admit that your chose the word "sweetness" in error, and that you do not mean it at all.

I might suggest the words, "terrible, inhuman, beyond barbaric; you get the drift.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German...g_World_War_II


Remember, Germany had its own Concentration Camps located near factories in Germany, to supply slave labor from those 12 million enslaved persons.

But Poland was a favorite disposal ground too.
It is far from "sweetness".

The map in this link, shows the extent of the German insanity.

German-occupied Poland was a prison-like territory. It contained 457 camp complexes.
Some of the major concentration and forced labour camps consisted of dozens of subsidiary camps scattered over a broad area.

At the Gross-Rosen concentration camp (to which Polish nationals were expelled from the annexed part of Poland) the number of subcamps was ninety seven (97).[2]

Under Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Auschwitz III (Monowitz) with thousands of prisoners each, the number of satellite camps was forty-eight (48); their detailed description of purpose is provided by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum.[3][4]

Stutthof concentration camp had forty (40) subcamps officially and as many as 105 subcamps in operation,[5] some as far as Elbląg, Bydgoszcz and Toruń, at a distance of 200 kilometres (120 mi) from the main camp.[6][7]

The camp system was one of the key instruments of terror, while at the same time providing necessary labour for the German war economy.

Historians estimate that some 5 million Polish citizens (including Polish Jews) went through them.[1] The truly impartial scientific research into prisoner statistics became possible only after the collapse of the Soviet Empire in 1989,

1 Auschwitz-Birkenau Oberschlesien Oświęcim near Kraków 1.1 million, around 90 percent Jewish.[14]

2 Treblinka * Generalgouvernement 80 km north-east of
Warsaw 800,000–900,000 at Camp II (and 20,000 at Camp I).[15]

3 Belzec * Generalgouvernement Bełżec near Tomaszów Lubelski

600,000 with 246,922 from General Government.[16]
4 Sobibor * Generalgouvernement 85 km south of Brześć nad Bugiem 200,000 (140,000 from Lublin and 25,000 from Lwów).[17]

5 Chełmno Reichsgau Wartheland 50 km north of Łódź 200,000 (most via the Łódź Ghetto).[18]
6 Majdanek Generalgouvernement Lublin city district at present 130,000 per Majdanek State Museum research.[19]
* Killing factories of secretive Operation Reinhard, 1942–43

The primary function of death camps was the elimination of Jews from all countries occupied by Germany, except the Soviet Union (Soviet Jews were generally killed on the spot).

Many non-Jewish Poles and other prisoners were also murdered in these camps; an estimated 75,000 non-Jewish Poles died at Auschwitz-Birkenau and up to 200,000 at KL Warschau.

Most extermination camps had regular concentration camps set up along with them including Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, Treblinka I and Warsaw.

However, these camps were distinct from the adjoining extermination camps.[20]

As far as forced labour, there was little difference between camp categories in Poland except for the level of punitive actions. Some camps were built so that the prisoners could be worked to death out of the public eye; this policy was called Vernichtung durch Arbeit (annihilation through work).

Large numbers of non-Jewish Poles were held in these camps, as were various prisoners from other countries. Among the major concentration camps run by SS for the purpose of wilful killing of forced labourers, the most notable examples included Warsaw concentration camp in the capital, the Soldau concentration camp in Działdowo, and the Kraków-Płaszów concentration camp made famous in the feature film Schindler's List and the Inheritance documentary.[21]




The Military Tribunals that were held a the Camps began in the fall of 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subseq...remberg_trials


Auschwitz Trial held in Kraków, Poland in 1947 against 40 SS-staff of the Auschwitz concentration camp death factory
Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials, 1963–65
Majdanek Trials, the longest Nazi war crimes trial in history, spanning over 30 years
Chełmno Trials of the Chełmno extermination camp personnel, held in Poland and in Germany. The cases were decided almost twenty years apart
Sobibor Trial held in Hagen, Germany in 1965, concerning the Sobibor extermination camp
Belzec Trial before the 1st Munich District Court in the mid-1960s, eight SS-men of the Belzec extermination camp
Belsen Trial in Lüneburg, 1945
Command responsibility doctrine of hierarchical accountability
Dachau Trials held within the walls of the former Dachau concentration camp, 1945–1948
Mauthausen-Gusen camp trials, 1946–47
Ravensbrück Trial
Research Materials: Max Planck Society Archive

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Aushwitz One, was an extermination camp. Sweet?

http://auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-i/

Here is a non wiki link, about Auschwitz One.

"Sweet"?
You certainly need a dictionary.
It was a German run butcher shop, covered with inhumanity and blood.


"From its founding in 1940 and the deportation of the first transport of Poles, political prisoners on June 14, 1940, to the first months of 1942, when it functioned exclusively as a concentration camp—that is, predominantly a place of slow killing, as the result of deliberately created, inhuman conditions, above all starvation;"From the first months of 1942 to October 1944, when the camp continued to function as a concentration camp for prisoners of various ethnic backgrounds (from mid-1942 mainly Jews, Poles, and Gypsies), while simultaneously functioning as the largest center for the immediate, mass killing of Jews brought here within the framework of the campaign for the destruction of the entire Jewish population of Europe."


Remember this was right after the Nazis killed off 3 million Russian POW's captured between June and November, 1941.

Of course this Auschwitz website, is run by those who operate the place today.

I suppose that the lack of "sweetness" is just because of their bias?
What was sweet about the place? Was it just a place where Germans could be Germans? A Playground?


Black Jack Pershing was the leader of All American Forces in WWI, and refused to be subjugated by the French, thus hastening the defeat of the Kaiser and his forces.

Had Pershing and Woodrow Wilson capitulated to French control, Germany might have won, and avoided all those war reparation payments.

Pershing, and then Lend lease............damn

Germany today, is a direct product of America's pursuit of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness over the last century.......... not Germany's.

THAT is sweet, for sure.

Now the reason for the Trials is the subject of the thread.

You seem to be proving the absolute need at the time, that the Trials had to occur, to set the German people straight about what they did.

Apparently there are some today that feel that the Extermination Camps and Concentration Camps were some sort of necessity.

I suggest that you might clarify your words and admit that your chose the word "sweetness" in error, and that you do not mean it at all.

I might suggest the words, "terrible, inhuman, beyond barbaric; you get the drift.
Okay baby dumbass speak V

Auschwitz 1 was purely a labor camp mostly populated by Poles

Auschwitz 2 and 3 were largely extermination

which would you have rather been sent to ?

What made 1 sweet is you at least had some chance of survivability

Very little at 2 or 3 V
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Remember, Germany had its own Concentration Camps located near factories in Germany, to supply slave labor from those 12 million enslaved persons.

But Poland was a favorite disposal ground too.
It is far from "sweetness".

The map in this link, shows the extent of the German insanity.

German-occupied Poland was a prison-like territory. It contained 457 camp complexes.
Some of the major concentration and forced labour camps consisted of dozens of subsidiary camps scattered over a broad area.

At the Gross-Rosen concentration camp (to which Polish nationals were expelled from the annexed part of Poland) the number of subcamps was ninety seven (97).[2]

Under Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Auschwitz III (Monowitz) with thousands of prisoners each, the number of satellite camps was forty-eight (48); their detailed description of purpose is provided by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum.[3][4]

Stutthof concentration camp had forty (40) subcamps officially and as many as 105 subcamps in operation,[5] some as far as Elbląg, Bydgoszcz and Toruń, at a distance of 200 kilometres (120 mi) from the main camp.[6][7]

The camp system was one of the key instruments of terror, while at the same time providing necessary labour for the German war economy.

Historians estimate that some 5 million Polish citizens (including Polish Jews) went through them.[1] The truly impartial scientific research into prisoner statistics became possible only after the collapse of the Soviet Empire in 1989,

1 Auschwitz-Birkenau Oberschlesien Oświęcim near Kraków 1.1 million, around 90 percent Jewish.[14]

2 Treblinka * Generalgouvernement 80 km north-east of
Warsaw 800,000–900,000 at Camp II (and 20,000 at Camp I).[15]

3 Belzec * Generalgouvernement Bełżec near Tomaszów Lubelski

600,000 with 246,922 from General Government.[16]
4 Sobibor * Generalgouvernement 85 km south of Brześć nad Bugiem 200,000 (140,000 from Lublin and 25,000 from Lwów).[17]

5 Chełmno Reichsgau Wartheland 50 km north of Łódź 200,000 (most via the Łódź Ghetto).[18]
6 Majdanek Generalgouvernement Lublin city district at present 130,000 per Majdanek State Museum research.[19]
* Killing factories of secretive Operation Reinhard, 1942–43

The primary function of death camps was the elimination of Jews from all countries occupied by Germany, except the Soviet Union (Soviet Jews were generally killed on the spot).

Many non-Jewish Poles and other prisoners were also murdered in these camps; an estimated 75,000 non-Jewish Poles died at Auschwitz-Birkenau and up to 200,000 at KL Warschau.

Most extermination camps had regular concentration camps set up along with them including Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, Treblinka I and Warsaw.

However, these camps were distinct from the adjoining extermination camps.[20]

As far as forced labour, there was little difference between camp categories in Poland except for the level of punitive actions. Some camps were built so that the prisoners could be worked to death out of the public eye; this policy was called Vernichtung durch Arbeit (annihilation through work).

Large numbers of non-Jewish Poles were held in these camps, as were various prisoners from other countries. Among the major concentration camps run by SS for the purpose of wilful killing of forced labourers, the most notable examples included Warsaw concentration camp in the capital, the Soldau concentration camp in Działdowo, and the Kraków-Płaszów concentration camp made famous in the feature film Schindler's List and the Inheritance documentary.[21]




The Military Tribunals that were held a the Camps began in the fall of 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subseq...remberg_trials


Auschwitz Trial held in Kraków, Poland in 1947 against 40 SS-staff of the Auschwitz concentration camp death factory
Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials, 1963–65
Majdanek Trials, the longest Nazi war crimes trial in history, spanning over 30 years
Chełmno Trials of the Chełmno extermination camp personnel, held in Poland and in Germany. The cases were decided almost twenty years apart
Sobibor Trial held in Hagen, Germany in 1965, concerning the Sobibor extermination camp
Belzec Trial before the 1st Munich District Court in the mid-1960s, eight SS-men of the Belzec extermination camp
Belsen Trial in Lüneburg, 1945
Command responsibility doctrine of hierarchical accountability
Dachau Trials held within the walls of the former Dachau concentration camp, 1945–1948
Mauthausen-Gusen camp trials, 1946–47
Ravensbrück Trial
Research Materials: Max Planck Society Archive
You keep spinning attempting to paint my position as pro Nazi
it's not, I agree largely with the execution of certain leading Nazis behind this
many should have been fed to dog packs or pigs to be eaten alive V
not hung but turned into turds

Then again we have your rabidity sowed deeply in these threads that makes you little different than Himmler himself.
Shit, you want to lens out on Germans
do you realize just how hated Jews were in Europe ?

It goes way back to the Islamic invasion of Iberia
See, the Islamic generals gave administrative function to Converso Jews over villages and cities...tax collection on Christians
This was a huge thing with Charles Martel and in due course led to Jews becoming targeted during the Spanish Inquistion.
It's really not a German thing, anti semetim is rooted in the French rather deeply due to the collaboration by Jewish elites post Roman Empire.

Not rank and file folks...Elites.

Don't target ethnicities V
that makes you cut from the same cloth as Himmler or Hitler
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This Thread is about the reason for the Trials.

As far as I am concerned, you owe us a far better explanation of "sweetness" at Auschwitz 1.

Admit it , you were just pissed off at me and went over the line protecting Nazi's. We will accept it as misguided anger. You know it was wrong.



I have not even got to Greece yet.

What the Nazis did in Greece was spectacularly evil and they turned the country into a slaughterhouse like Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_occupation_of_Greece

The occupation ruined the Greek economy and brought about terrible hardships for the Greek civilian population.[1] Much of Greece was subjected to enormous destruction of its industry (80% of which was destroyed), infrastructure (28% destroyed), ports, roads, railways and bridges (90%), forests and other natural resources (25%)[2][3][4] and loss of civilian life (7.02% - 11.17% of its citizens).[5][6]

Over 40,000 civilians died in Athens alone from starvation, tens of thousands more died because of reprisals by Nazis and collaborators.[7]

The Jewish population of Greece was nearly decimated. Of its pre-occupation population of 72,000, only 12,000 survived, either by joining the resistance or being hidden. Most of those who died were deported to AUSCHWITZ ONE, while those in Thrace, under Bulgarian occupation, were sent to Treblinka. The Italians did not deport Jews living in territory they controlled, but when the Germans took over, Jews living there were also deported.


Reading the entire link just pales the imagination. While sacking and murdering Greece, the bastards were also invading Russia.

WTF are Germans? Nut cases? WTF did Greece do? It was just one of the 20 countries invaded by the Nazis' and that is another reason for the trials.

The trials HAD to be held.

I got another 15 countries to go, describing why the Trials had to be held.
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This Thread is about the reason for the Trials.

As far as I am concerned, you owe us a far better explanation of "sweetness" at Auschwitz 1.

Admit it , you were just pissed off at me and went over the line protecting Nazi's. We will accept it as misguided anger. You know it was wrong.



I have not even got to Greece yet.

What the Nazis did in Greece was spectacularly evil and they turned the country into a slaughterhouse like Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_occupation_of_Greece

The occupation ruined the Greek economy and brought about terrible hardships for the Greek civilian population.[1] Much of Greece was subjected to enormous destruction of its industry (80% of which was destroyed), infrastructure (28% destroyed), ports, roads, railways and bridges (90%), forests and other natural resources (25%)[2][3][4] and loss of civilian life (7.02% - 11.17% of its citizens).[5][6]

Over 40,000 civilians died in Athens alone from starvation, tens of thousands more died because of reprisals by Nazis and collaborators.[7]

The Jewish population of Greece was nearly decimated. Of its pre-occupation population of 72,000, only 12,000 survived, either by joining the resistance or being hidden. Most of those who died were deported to AUSCHWITZ ONE, while those in Thrace, under Bulgarian occupation, were sent to Treblinka. The Italians did not deport Jews living in territory they controlled, but when the Germans took over, Jews living there were also deported.


Reading the entire link just pales the imagination. While sacking and murdering Greece, the bastards were also invading Russia.

WTF are Germans? Nut cases? WTF did Greece do? It was just one of the 20 countries invaded by the Nazis' and that is another reason for the trials.

The trials HAD to be held.

I got another 15 countries to go, describing why the Trials had to be held.
"WE" ?
You mean the pet turd you squish your fingers through in your front pocket ?

One was different than two or three, get over your Nazieque hate for Germans V
you are simply a well formed bigot

Great point on the Greeks
Just who were the forces there silly ?
Wasn't many ethnic Germans and there was not a huge Hebrew population in Greece, that's made up Wiki garbage
Some pages claim tens of thousands in Norway too
sure, whatever...perhaps a few thousand at best even that

I will add Pershing INVADED nations
Were I a citizen of the nations your hero invaded I'd have been rather proud to remove that barbarians head
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How can you defend what the Nazis did to Greece? It is not lies or Jewish spin, they did it........... AGAIN.

Again, you cannot possibly believe that Auschwitz was a sweet place.


By the time I have finished, god willing, I will have dragged those demonic black SS, and Grey German uniforms, through all the shit of their 40 million victims, so that they will all be the correct shade and smell for the next 1000 years.

History has a way of preserving facts like this, for a long long time.
We know about Carthage, Egypt, Greece, the Roman Empire, etc.


BTW, what religion was Hitler found of?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relati...the_Arab_world
"In speeches, Hitler made apparently warm references towards Muslim culture such as: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France".[1]


WTF???


A famous anecdote about Adolf Hitler's perspectives towards Islam and the Arabs is recounted by Albert Speer in his best-selling memoir, Inside the Third Reich.
Speer reports that "Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs."[2] The delegation had speculated that the world would have become "Mohammedan" if the Berbers and Arabs had won the Battle of Tours over Charles Martel in the 8th Century AD, and that the Germans would have become heirs to "a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the German temperament."[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ews_in_Morocco

I cannot believe it, but there it is...............Hitler was a closet Muslim; he loved violence, as a demonically possessed person will.

There is a strong link between Hitler, Islam and some modern day cults.

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How can you defend what the Nazis did to Greece? It is not lies or Jewish spin, they did it........... AGAIN.

Again, you cannot possibly believe that Auschwitz was a sweet place.


By the time I have finished, god willing, I will have dragged those demonic black SS, and Grey German uniforms, through all the shit of their 40 million victims, so that they will all be the correct shade and smell for the next 1000 years.

History has a way of preserving facts like this, for a long long time.
We know about Carthage, Egypt, Greece, the Roman Empire, etc.


BTW, what religion was Hitler found of?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relati...the_Arab_world
"In speeches, Hitler made apparently warm references towards Muslim culture such as: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France".[1]


WTF???


A famous anecdote about Adolf Hitler's perspectives towards Islam and the Arabs is recounted by Albert Speer in his best-selling memoir, Inside the Third Reich.
Speer reports that "Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs."[2] The delegation had speculated that the world would have become "Mohammedan" if the Berbers and Arabs had won the Battle of Tours over Charles Martel in the 8th Century AD, and that the Germans would have become heirs to "a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the German temperament."[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ews_in_Morocco

I cannot believe it, but there it is...............Hitler was a closet Muslim; he loved violence, as a demonically possessed person will.

There is a strong link between Hitler, Islam and some modern day cults.
What happened in Greece was mostly done by Greeks V

You are all German this & that
It wasn't really German
all of Europe hated and blamed Jews for trash we really had no part of.

Small fraction of Blacks are assholes
yet asshole bigots like you figure nearly all are assholes just like you

I can shift this to mexicans, you hate them too don't you bigot
Hell, you hate Native Americans
you are highly evolved about hating
other than Communists, is there any group you actually have love for ?

Just another member of the Black Guard, at the core Nazi
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From the above link:

On 6 April 1941, Germany came to the aid of Italy and invaded Greece through Bulgaria and Yugoslavia. Greek and British Commonwealth troops fought back but were overwhelmed.

On 20 April, after Greek resistance in the north had ceased,

The Greek capital Athens fell on 27 April, and by 1 June, after the capture of Crete, all of Greece was under Axis occupation. After the invasion King George II fled, first to Crete and then to Cairo.

Now tell me that he Greeks invaded their own Country and destroyed it? Many you have the Nazi spin machine technique down pat.

THE NAZIS DESTROYED GREECE. They came to destroy it and to kill off all the Jews they could, in the typical SS and Nazi fashion, blaming them for being alive in the first place.
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Mexicans now?
You must be referring to your PERSONAL version of Texas Independence again. I recall the war was run by Anglos like Houston, Travis, etc because too many Anglos came to Texas for the Mex's to swallow.

Just like "Black Jack Pershing INVADED MANY COUNTRIES." WTF?

Where did the intelligent, educated poster go?
You 3 guys outta get your signals straight.

Pershing invaded countries by himself?
As I recall Pershing was ordered to Cuba by the Army, with T. Roosevelt and he commanded a Buffalo Soldier Batallion there.

Pershing was ordered to the Phillipines by the POTUS to put down rebels.

Pershing was ordered to Europe to command the destruction of the Kaiser.
Pershing was a hero of heros, and was the most decorated US Soldier in our history.

You are just really the reason why we have written history, and assets like Wiki.

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Now to return to the Op, it seems that the Bitch of Buchenwald, Else Koch has gotten short shrift here, and an attempt has been made to clean her dirty skirts.

Else was apparently a real "alpha" type.

Not only was she put on trial for war crimes, BUT SHE WAS TRIED 3 TIMES.

3 times? WTF?

The first time was by............THE SS.
Yep, the SS

They knew all about her crazed sexual shenanigans with dozens of pows, guards and anyone she deemed sexually suitable, and they knew about her lampshades, but what got the SS, was her theft of money jewels and assets from the POW's.
The SS shot her husband and imprisoned her for a time.
The SS!!

The 2nd Trial came when she was arrested by the Allies and put on trial in 1947, with much of the same human brutality testimony as before.
She was sentenced to life in prison but was released by an apparent Nazi sympathizer named Gen Lucius Clay, who is turns out , may have knocked her up.........yep.

The 3rd Trial came in 1951, when the Germans, outraged by that shithead Lucious Clay, put her on trial AGAIN, for the very same reason and with the very same testimony about the lampshades, tattoos, etc and sentenced her again to life in prison, WHERE SHE STAYED UNTIL SHE DIED IN 1967.

AN INNOCENT NAZI WOMAN.................prosecuted twice by Germans, and once by us.

You do not put someone on trial 3 times without all that background testimony known to be true, despite RSS, and she needed the gas chamber.
All true.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachau.../IlseKoch.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch


First Trial--------by the SS
In 1936, she began working as a guard and secretary at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp near Berlin, which her fiancé commanded, and was married the same year. In 1937 she came to Buchenwald when her husband was made Commandant.[9] While at Buchenwald, Koch engaged in a gruesome experiment, where it was claimed that she ordered selected tattooed prisoners to be murdered and skinned to retrieve the tattooed parts
of their bodies.[10] It was allegedly done to help a prison doctor, Erich Wagner (de), in his dissertation on tattooing and criminality.[11]

In 1940, she built an indoor sports arena, which cost over 250,000 reichsmarks (approximately $62,500), most of which had been seized from the inmates. In 1941Karl Otto Koch was transferred to Lublin, where he helped establish the Majdanek concentration and extermination camp. Ilse Koch remained at Buchenwald until 24 August 1943, when she and her husband were arrested on the orders of Josias von Waldeck-Pyrmont, SS and Police Leader for Weimar, who had supervisory authority over Buchenwald.

The charges against the Kochs comprised private enrichment, embezzlement, and the murder of prisoners to prevent them from giving testimony.[12]
Holy shit!!

Ilse Koch was imprisoned until late 1944. Her husband was found guilty and sentenced to death by an SS court in Munich, and was executed by firing squad on 5 April 1945 in the court of the camp he once commanded.


Second trial-by USA
Koch was arraigned before the American military court at
Dachau (General Military Government Court for the Trial of War Criminals) in 1947.
Prosecuting her was future United States Court of Claims Judge Robert L. Kunzig.
She was charged with "participating in a criminal plan for aiding, abetting and participating in the murders at Buchenwald".[13]

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2...elf-in-prison/

In October 1948, General Lucius D. Clay, Commander in Chief of U.S. Forces in Europe
and Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation Zone of Germany,
commuted Ilse Koch’s sentence to four years, or time already served.

This caused an international uproar. WTF!! Many knew the truth about her and that Gen. Clay must have gone insane.
As it turns out, President Truman fired Gen Clay at age 49 and ended his career, over his troubling actions.

There were rumors that General Clay was the father of Ilse’s baby
and that is why he was so lenient in her case.

3rd Trial
WTF!! A THIRD TRIAL


Under the pressure of public opinion Koch was re-arrested in 1949 and tried before a West German court. The hearing opened on 27 November 1950 before the District Court at Augsburg and lasted seven weeks, during which 250 witnesses were heard, including 50 for the defense. Koch collapsed and had to be carried from the court in late December 1950,[15] and again on 11 January 1951.[16] At least four separate witnesses for the
prosecution testified that they had seen Koch choose tattooed prisoners, who were then killed, or had seen or been involved in the process of making human-skin lampshades from tattooed skin.

On 15 January 1951, the Court pronounced its verdict, in a 111-page-long decision, for which Koch was not present in court.[17] It was concluded that the previous trials in 1944 and 1947 were not a bar to proceedings under the principle of ne bis in idem, as at the 1944 trial Koch had only been charged with receiving, while in 1947 she had been accused of crimes against foreigners after 1 September 1939, and not with crimes against humanity of which Germans and Austrians had been defendants both before and after that date.
She was convicted of charges of incitement to murder, incitement to attempted murder and incitement to the crime of committing grievous bodily harm, and on 15 January 1951 was sentenced to life imprisonment and permanent forfeiture of civil rights.[18]

Koch appealed to have the judgment quashed, but the appeal was dismissed on 22 April

Karl and Ilse Koch had two sons, one of whom committed suicide after the war "because he couldn't live with the shame of the crimes of his parents."[19]

Another son, Uwe Clay,[20] conceived in her prison cell at Dachau, was born in the Aichach prison near Dachau where Koch was sent to serve her life sentence and was immediately taken from her.
At the age of 19, Uwe Köhler-Clay[22] learned that Koch was his mother and
began visiting her regularly at Aichach.[21]

Koch hanged herself[23] at Aichach women's prison on 1 September 1967 at age 60.[24]

Now RSS, tell us about those bogus Lampshades again and those bogus handbags, gloves, human soap and human hair socks.

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Now to return to the Op, it seems that the Bitch of Buchenwald, Else Koch has gotten short shrift here, and an attempt has been made to clean her dirty skirts.

Else was apparently a real "alpha" type.

Not only was she put on trial for war crimes, BUT SHE WAS TRIED 3 TIMES.

3 times? WTF?

The first time was by............THE SS.
Yep, the SS

They knew all about her crazed sexual shenanigans with dozens of pows, guards and anyone she deemed sexually suitable, and they knew about her lampshades, but what got the SS, was her theft of money jewels and assets from the POW's.
The SS shot her husband and imprisoned her for a time.
The SS!!

The 2nd Trial came when she was arrested by the Allies and put on trial in 1947, with much of the same human brutality testimony as before.
She was sentenced to life in prison but was released by an apparent Nazi sympathizer named Gen Lucius Clay, who is turns out , may have knocked her up.........yep.

The 3rd Trial came in 1951, when the Germans, outraged by that shithead Lucious Clay, put her on trial AGAIN, for the very same reason and with the very same testimony about the lampshades, tattoos, etc and sentenced her again to life in prison, WHERE SHE STAYED UNTIL SHE DIED IN 1967.

AN INNOCENT NAZI WOMAN.................prosecuted twice by Germans, and once by us.

You do not put someone on trial 3 times without all that background testimony known to be true, despite RSS, and she needed the gas chamber.
All true.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachau.../IlseKoch.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch


First Trial--------by the SS
In 1936, she began working as a guard and secretary at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp near Berlin, which her fiancé commanded, and was married the same year. In 1937 she came to Buchenwald when her husband was made Commandant.[9] While at Buchenwald, Koch engaged in a gruesome experiment, where it was claimed that she ordered selected tattooed prisoners to be murdered and skinned to retrieve the tattooed parts
of their bodies.[10] It was allegedly done to help a prison doctor, Erich Wagner (de), in his dissertation on tattooing and criminality.[11]

In 1940, she built an indoor sports arena, which cost over 250,000 reichsmarks (approximately $62,500), most of which had been seized from the inmates. In 1941Karl Otto Koch was transferred to Lublin, where he helped establish the Majdanek concentration and extermination camp. Ilse Koch remained at Buchenwald until 24 August 1943, when she and her husband were arrested on the orders of Josias von Waldeck-Pyrmont, SS and Police Leader for Weimar, who had supervisory authority over Buchenwald.

The charges against the Kochs comprised private enrichment, embezzlement, and the murder of prisoners to prevent them from giving testimony.[12]
Holy shit!!

Ilse Koch was imprisoned until late 1944. Her husband was found guilty and sentenced to death by an SS court in Munich, and was executed by firing squad on 5 April 1945 in the court of the camp he once commanded.


Second trial-by USA
Koch was arraigned before the American military court at
Dachau (General Military Government Court for the Trial of War Criminals) in 1947.
Prosecuting her was future United States Court of Claims Judge Robert L. Kunzig.
She was charged with "participating in a criminal plan for aiding, abetting and participating in the murders at Buchenwald".[13]

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2...elf-in-prison/

In October 1948, General Lucius D. Clay, Commander in Chief of U.S. Forces in Europe
and Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation Zone of Germany,
commuted Ilse Koch’s sentence to four years, or time already served.

This caused an international uproar. WTF!! Many knew the truth about her and that Gen. Clay must have gone insane.
As it turns out, President Truman fired Gen Clay at age 49 and ended his career, over his troubling actions.

There were rumors that General Clay was the father of Ilse’s baby
and that is why he was so lenient in her case.

3rd Trial
WTF!! A THIRD TRIAL


Under the pressure of public opinion Koch was re-arrested in 1949 and tried before a West German court. The hearing opened on 27 November 1950 before the District Court at Augsburg and lasted seven weeks, during which 250 witnesses were heard, including 50 for the defense. Koch collapsed and had to be carried from the court in late December 1950,[15] and again on 11 January 1951.[16] At least four separate witnesses for the
prosecution testified that they had seen Koch choose tattooed prisoners, who were then killed, or had seen or been involved in the process of making human-skin lampshades from tattooed skin.

On 15 January 1951, the Court pronounced its verdict, in a 111-page-long decision, for which Koch was not present in court.[17] It was concluded that the previous trials in 1944 and 1947 were not a bar to proceedings under the principle of ne bis in idem, as at the 1944 trial Koch had only been charged with receiving, while in 1947 she had been accused of crimes against foreigners after 1 September 1939, and not with crimes against humanity of which Germans and Austrians had been defendants both before and after that date.
She was convicted of charges of incitement to murder, incitement to attempted murder and incitement to the crime of committing grievous bodily harm, and on 15 January 1951 was sentenced to life imprisonment and permanent forfeiture of civil rights.[18]

Koch appealed to have the judgment quashed, but the appeal was dismissed on 22 April

Karl and Ilse Koch had two sons, one of whom committed suicide after the war "because he couldn't live with the shame of the crimes of his parents."[19]

Another son, Uwe Clay,[20] conceived in her prison cell at Dachau, was born in the Aichach prison near Dachau where Koch was sent to serve her life sentence and was immediately taken from her.
At the age of 19, Uwe Köhler-Clay[22] learned that Koch was his mother and
began visiting her regularly at Aichach.[21]

Koch hanged herself[23] at Aichach women's prison on 1 September 1967 at age 60.[24]

Now RSS, tell us about those bogus Lampshades again and those bogus handbags, gloves, human soap and human hair socks.
yeah yeah yeah...more rabid eyed claims but no evidence

So now the Judge knocked up the Bitch ?
where does your insanity take a break other than with reality V

Yeah seems she was one big slut
another "rumor" is the child in question was fathered by one of her, get this...Jewish interrogators

Here's a pretty in depth page on the Red Witch:

https://ww2gravestone.com/people/koch-ilse/

I may have to just start referring to you as MSNBC given the level of poop you seem to regurgitate on these things
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3 trials, RSS; it is all listed there.

Even the SS put her on trial, and I believe that it was because she was such an embarrassing pig for them, screwing POW's, Camp Guards and whoever was close by.

That she may have screwed Gen Clay, WAS noticed by PERSONS in 1947, and it has lasted to the current day. Truman threw such a fit about Clay pardoning the pig, that he fired Clay ASAP after the Berlin Airlift. Clay was just age 49.

I suggest that you give up trying to defend her and just accept the facts.


I have to point out to everyone, that there were no concentration Camps in Europe, until Hitler and the Nazi's.

No one felt any need for them before Hitler.


The Nazi's instituted them in almost every country they invaded.
As a matter of fact:

YUGOSLAVIA............. became another Nazi slaughterhouse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaseno...entration_camp

It was one of the largest concentration camps in Europe[5] and the camp has referred to as "the Auschwitz of the Balkans" and "the Yugoslav Auschwitz".[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjic...entration_camp

Banjica concentration camp (German: KZ Banjica) was a German[1] concentration campin the Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia[2] during World War II.Located in the Banjica neighborhood of Dedinje—a suburb of Belgrade—it was originally used as a holding area and then an extermination center.

AUSTRIA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austri...onal_Socialism

The largest concentration camp in Austria was the Mauthausen-Gusen complex, with more than 50 subcamps, among them the Ebensee concentration camp, KZ – Nebenlager
Bretstein, Steyr-Münichholz subcamp and AFA-Werke. Euthanasia was practised in Hartheim Castle near Linz, where the killing pro
program Action T4 took place, and in Am Spiegelgrund clinic in Vienna, where handicapped children and the elderly were murdered.



Chechoslovakia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theres...entration_camp

Romania
Transnistria Camp

Now all those additional Concentration and Extermination camps, in addition to those in Germany and Poland is just beyond belief.

You do know that the US Military fought and killed German Citizens, Nazi soldiers and SS scum don't you? Yep, we did it and put them on trial too....like the pig.

Trials.............yep hangings. All legal and such.

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3 trials, RSS; it is all listed there.

Even the SS put her on trial, and I believe that it was because she was such an embarrassing pig for them, screwing POW's, Camp Guards and whoever was close by.

That she may have screwed Gen Clay, WAS noticed by PERSONS in 1947, and it has lasted to the current day. Truman threw such a fit about Clay pardoning the pig, that he fired Clay ASAP after the Berlin Airlift. Clay was just age 49.

I suggest that you give up trying to defend her and just accept the facts.


I have to point out to everyone, that there were no concentration Camps in Europe, until Hitler and the Nazi's.

No one felt any need for them before Hitler.


The Nazi's instituted them in almost every country they invaded.
As a matter of fact:

YUGOSLAVIA............. became another Nazi slaughterhouse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaseno...entration_camp

It was one of the largest concentration camps in Europe[5] and the camp has referred to as "the Auschwitz of the Balkans" and "the Yugoslav Auschwitz".[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjic...entration_camp

Banjica concentration camp (German: KZ Banjica) was a German[1] concentration campin the Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia[2] during World War II.Located in the Banjica neighborhood of Dedinje—a suburb of Belgrade—it was originally used as a holding area and then an extermination center.

AUSTRIA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austri...onal_Socialism

The largest concentration camp in Austria was the Mauthausen-Gusen complex, with more than 50 subcamps, among them the Ebensee concentration camp, KZ – Nebenlager
Bretstein, Steyr-Münichholz subcamp and AFA-Werke. Euthanasia was practised in Hartheim Castle near Linz, where the killing pro
program Action T4 took place, and in Am Spiegelgrund clinic in Vienna, where handicapped children and the elderly were murdered.



Chechoslovakia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theres...entration_camp

Romania
Transnistria Camp

Now all those additional Concentration and Extermination camps, in addition to those in Germany and Poland is just beyond belief.

You do know that the US Military fought and killed German Citizens, Nazi soldiers and SS scum don't you? Yep, we did it and put them on trial too....like the pig.

Trials.............yep hangings. All legal and such.
nice you isolated it to just Europe so you could ignore our Concentration Camps in the PI as well as the ones ran by the foul English in Africa years before
the only pig here is the one who defends any of this
that's not me V
look in the mirror

The eastern part of the USSR was EUROPE little piglet, Stalin was running his camps there in the 20s. You want to rethink your vapidity ?

Again, the Red Witch was a slut
that's not what's in question but rather whether she had skin lamps
her perverse sexuality has no bearing on soap and skin lamps V

now go back to sipping your kamboocha and eating your tofu salad
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WWII, RSS, WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial

A lot of people have studied the situation.

From former SS members:
Holocaust deniers are deemed "irrational", by the SS and surviving Germans.

Camp physician and SS-Untersturmführer Hans Münch considered the facts of Auschwitz "so firmly determined that one cannot have any doubt at all", and described those who negate what happened at the camp as "malevolent"; people who have "personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence".[170]

Zyklon B handler and SS-Oberscharführer Josef Klehr has said that anyone who maintains that nobody was gassed at Auschwitz must be "crazy or in the wrong".[171]

SS-Unterscharführer Oswald Kaduk has stated that he does not consider those who maintain such a thing "as normal people."[172]

Hearing about Holocaust denial compelled former SS-Rottenführer Oskar Gröning to publicly speak about what he witnessed at Auschwitz, and denounce Holocaust deniers,[173] stating:

"I would like you to believe me. I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was on the ramp when the selections took place. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there.[174][175]"
Oskar is the kid who was identified as Soros..........he has a link above from 2015, when he admitted those things.

The study of holcaust deniers by psychologists and historians has been a long term study.

Always, when the facts are presented in an irrefutable way, they always deny that any of the facts are true.

The greatest group of holocaust deniers today are Muslims, not surprisingly due to the Hitler-Muslim connection during WWII.

It is certainly an anti American thing, no matter how you look at it.

Our fathers were right as was FDR, Eisenhower, Churchill and Stalin.
It is about crushed today, except for Islam, and we will deal with that for another 1500 years.

The Nuremberg Trials had to be held, due to the war Hitler started with humanity and God.
The Concentration, Extermination and Labor/Factory camps were an abomination and we did the right things to defeat the 3rd Reich, just before it got the bomb, the type 21 Sub and the Me262, en masse.

Each Axis death and allied Bomb run, sealed the fate of Germany, especially toward the end.

That Hitler was able to get the Germans to kill as many as 40 million persons is the reason why I am sure that history will outlive the few deniers lef tinthe West today.
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WWII, RSS, WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial

A lot of people have studied the situation.

From former SS members:
Holocaust deniers are deemed "irrational", by the SS and surviving Germans.

Camp physician and SS-Untersturmführer Hans Münch considered the facts of Auschwitz "so firmly determined that one cannot have any doubt at all", and described those who negate what happened at the camp as "malevolent"; people who have "personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence".[170]

Zyklon B handler and SS-Oberscharführer Josef Klehr has said that anyone who maintains that nobody was gassed at Auschwitz must be "crazy or in the wrong".[171]

SS-Unterscharführer Oswald Kaduk has stated that he does not consider those who maintain such a thing "as normal people."[172]

Hearing about Holocaust denial compelled former SS-Rottenführer Oskar Gröning to publicly speak about what he witnessed at Auschwitz, and denounce Holocaust deniers,[173] stating:

"I would like you to believe me. I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was on the ramp when the selections took place. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there.[174][175]"
Oskar is the kid who was identified as Soros..........he has a link above from 2015, when he admitted those things.

The study of holcaust deniers by psychologists and historians has been a long term study.

Always, when the facts are presented in an irrefutable way, they always deny that any of the facts are true.

The greatest group of holocaust deniers today are Muslims, not surprisingly due to the Hitler-Muslim connection during WWII.

It is certainly an anti American thing, no matter how you look at it.

Our fathers were right as was FDR, Eisenhower, Churchill and Stalin.
It is about crushed today, except for Islam, and we will deal with that for another 1500 years.

The Nuremberg Trials had to be held, due to the war Hitler started with humanity and God.
The Concentration, Extermination and Labor/Factory camps were an abomination and we did the right things to defeat the 3rd Reich, just before it got the bomb, the type 21 Sub and the Me262, en masse.

Each Axis death and allied Bomb run, sealed the fate of Germany, especially toward the end.

That Hitler was able to get the Germans to kill as many as 40 million persons is the reason why I am sure that history will outlive the few deniers lef tinthe West today.
no case of denying basic truths V, I just choose to ignore made up shit like my President hiring whores to piss on him while you obviously believe it

Trump workin' with Putin ?
V believes it
V believes just Everything the MSM and government states doesn't V
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You just cannot stay on topic, as those researchers say about deniers. Amazing! They wrote this stuff years ago.
Shift, spin. Classic.
Trump?

The topic is WWII Nazis, and the Trials.

Those dead Germans/Nazis of 1945,are just not worth it; they left you shit to walk on, and it still stinks to high heaven, playing- shift-evade. You sound like Else Koch.

There are no more of them left from 1945, just modern "shadows", who do not understand the facts.

At least those Nazi monsters had the hair and balls "to do it", to the unarmed Jews and Russians, and paid for their insanity and crimes at the hand of the victors in battle, and in the courtroom.

The world remembers Carthage, as it will Berlin.

The Truth will set you free....read it.
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You just cannot stay on topic, as those researchers say about deniers. Amazing! They wrote this stuff years ago.
Shift, spin. Classic.
Trump?

The topic is WWII Nazis, and the Trials.

Those dead Germans/Nazis of 1945,are just not worth it; they left you shit to walk on, and it still stinks to high heaven, playing- shift-evade. You sound like Else Koch.

There are no more of them left from 1945, just modern "shadows", who do not understand the facts.

At least those Nazi monsters had the hair and balls "to do it", to the unarmed Jews and Russians, and paid for their insanity and crimes at the hand of the victors in battle, and in the courtroom.

The world remembers Carthage, as it will Berlin.

The Truth will set you free....read it.
The point is you believe the same kinds of media sources

Shit you have posted up links to CNN, CBS, NBC, the BBC

same news agencies that report on Trump paying to get pissed on
hey it's gotta be true right ?

or maybe you are just posting up fake news huh...
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America is NOT full of Nazi sympathizers.

It is self delusional to think so.
Americans are for America; we are xenophobic, nationalistic, but for America.

No rallies, no Nazi uniforms today exist today for Nazi wannebee's , except in secret closets, with silk underwear.

It is like the end of the Hudson Hornet and Edsel.

America is not going to come out for Hitler, and against the Jew. Not even in Wisconsin.


It all ended for the Nazi's in America, on Dec 7th, 1941, when the "German American Bund", and the "America First", Nazi movements collapsed, and Leader Fritz Kuhn, spent the rest of his life, in and out of jail.



Yep, those American movements were political parties, and they wore those Hugo Boss Brown Shirt uniforms, just like George Lincoln Rockwell did.


Now, who is to blame for America's mistake, and for Nazi Germany's?

Uniforms for political parties, and the subsequent militarization of the SS and SD political factions, that's what.

Weak minded cowardly assholes, who are not in the military, wear uniforms.
I call them "Jew Dominators."

After the depression, Germany was as devastated as any country. The gay boy Hitler knew a bit about human psychology.

With Hugo Boss collaborating, he got the Brown shirt SD uniforms, and Hitler Yugen Youth uniforms designed and manufactured.

The SS, police, Schierheindiest, Gestapo, and other military style uniform upgrades followed FOR all THE NON MILITARY, civilian office holders.


It was a psychological masterpiece for the maniac.

The militarizing of politics and the politicians, local officials...........Mayors, Governors, Clerks, Janitors, into Hugo Boss uniforms, gave shitheads the backbone to act against defenseless Jews and others.

In poverty stricken Germany, for the local kid, the idea of belonging to a sharp unit in the German Military, wearing a sharp uniform instead of peasant clothing, appealed to many who joined up.

If it was not for those old ragged uniforms that may persist today in the back of some closets, there would have been no 3rd Reich.

That is why there are no uniforms today for political parties.
THAT IS WHY THE NAZIS ARE DEAD AS DODO'S.

The weak minded are easily confounded by uniforms and ethics.

Even Else Koch wore a uniform.

Camo is not even seen much today, as it was during the 70's and 80's.

Jew boy Levi Strauss has won.

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Weak minded cowardly assholes, who are not in the military, wear uniforms.
I do believe you're finally on to something....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTfzKUxyZoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiRYAXDbyzk Germans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmaxYJMSDOE

These links are from recent digs in the Leningrad and Stalingrad regions.
So many Germans and Russians died in both areas, that reburials are still going on.

Artillery appears to have been the chief cause of death in most cases.

Germany maintains Cemetaries in Russia for their war dead.

Many times, ID tags are found for both sides and some have actually been ID'd, and names placed on the new military graves.

In one area near Leningrad, 19,000 Russians died in ten days during the winter, in a forested area. They were wearing ski's
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiRYAXDbyzk Germans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmaxYJMSDOE

These links are from recent digs in the Leningrad and Stalingrad regions.
So many Germans and Russians died in both areas, that reburials are still going on.

Artillery appears to have been the chief cause of death in most cases.

Germany maintains Cemetaries in Russia for their war dead.

Many times, ID tags are found for both sides and some have actually been ID'd, and names placed on the new military graves.

In one area near Leningrad, 19,000 Russians died in ten days during the winter, in a forested area. They were wearing ski's
But it was a good death...
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According to the video, 27 million Russians died during the war, millions of war dead still lie on the plains and in the forests, along with Germans. Leningrad and Stalingrad were just meat grinders.


Russia is still a very poor country and the efforts are largely volunteer.

You can see that the lifestyle of the young diggers is very much like it was in 1960's rural America.

They just dug up dead Germans in Berlin in the Seewlow Heights battle area.
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Did anyone know that the Nuremburg trials were never released in German?

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According to the video, 27 million Russians died during the war, millions of war dead still lie on the plains and in the forests, along with Germans. Leningrad and Stalingrad were just meat grinders.


Russia is still a very poor country and the efforts are largely volunteer.

You can see that the lifestyle of the young diggers is very much like it was in 1960's rural America.

They just dug up dead Germans in Berlin in the Seewlow Heights battle area.
most didn't die from anything related to combat though
Men and wimmins and kiddos were starving all over the Russias V
Stalin invaded Persia in the early 40s, he starved tens of thousands there thieving food for his Red Army
Fair number of PPSh smgs were made in Persia under Stalinist slave labor during and after the War buddy

Before the Japanese attacked Pearl the slimy Brits did a sneak attack on the Persian Navy at harbor in like 1940 ?
murdered as many as the Japs did in Hawaii, maybe more

The Reds invaded from the North, turned Persia into a slave labor State
read up on it
The USSR ran Persia into the 50s thanks to that drunken Commie lover Churchill
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The soldiers they are digging up in those videos are not victims of Stalin; they are the direct result of Hitler's invasion,

They, and the Germans who lie amongst them, all fought and died on the fields of battle in Russia, and most died by Artillery wounds.



Also, they are finding the mass graves of the 3 million Russian Soldiers and 2 million Civilians, who the Germans killed on the way into Russia in 1941. All were shot and laid in mass trenches in ByloRussia.

The Leningrad and Stalingrad casualties was after Russia started to dig in and fight. I am very surprised that there are Official German Cemetaries allowed on Russian soil.

I do not believe that Germany has yet reciprocated for Russian Graves on German Soil.
Such is the German soul, they are gods' mistake and will eventually evolve into something human like.

Regarding the quote of "the holding or arms and weapons by Russians and eastern bloc peoples", as opposed to "Germans", that argument was settled forever in 1945.

The Trials were conducted by an International Commission and Tribunals, in all languages and translators were present, and the Germans have been "eating Russian shit on a plate and liking it", even in America, with sugar on top, ever since................ and never forget that fact.

Like it...Nuremberg. The good guys won, and hung the bad role models by the neck, until dead.


How's them post war trials of the Russians going?
What city were "those trials" held in, after the war?

In your dreams only.

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The soldiers they are digging up in those videos are not victims of Stalin; they are the direct result of Hitler's invasion,

They, and the Germans who lie amongst them, all fought and died on the fields of battle in Russia, and most died by Artillery wounds.



Also, they are finding the mass graves of the 3 million Russian Soldiers and 2 million Civilians, who the Germans killed on the way into Russia in 1941. All were shot and laid in mass trenches in ByloRussia.

The Leningrad and Stalingrad casualties was after Russia started to dig in and fight. I am very surprised that there are Official German Cemetaries allowed on Russian soil.

I do not believe that Germany has yet reciprocated for Russian Graves on German Soil.
Such is the German soul, they are gods' mistake and will eventually evolve into something human like.

Regarding the quote of "the holding or arms and weapons by Russians and eastern bloc peoples", as opposed to "Germans", that argument was settled forever in 1945.

The Trials were conducted by an International Commission and Tribunals, in all languages and translators were present, and the Germans have been "eating Russian shit on a plate and liking it", even in America, with sugar on top, ever since................ and never forget that fact.

Like it...Nuremberg. The good guys won, and hung the bad role models by the neck, until dead.


How's them post war trials of the Russians going?
What city were "those trials" held in, after the war?

In your dreams only.
So you are basically saying if a murderous child rapist is never brought before the Court they are innocent

just so long as they are a Red soldier or Officer ?
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The Germans were the mass rapists of WWII.

They raped every last Russian Woman they could get a hold of on the way in. Rape was a policy of the 3rd Reich.

What is is about the Germans?

Yes, they have a dead zone inside many of them. Being German myself, and having worked with all sorts of Germans, I have to say that the big German bullies size are the worst. Mostly stupid and oafish, they just are a stage above neanderthals/cro-magnons.
They are ruled by their appetites and roaring coarse humor.

The thinner types, short and tall, seem to be pretty cold, emotionally and intellectually, and it is not from their upbringing. They like to torture cats, more or less, or the weak among us who they mock.

It takes the English and Russians and French and Italians to deal with and to put Germans in their place at work, or in most any place where civilized people congregate; it becomes a joint effort to make them productive and civilized.

Werner Von Braun, in his teutonic way, once had his front lawn in Texas painted green so that he did not have to mow it and it looked proper.

We have managed to keep Germany in check since 1945. E Germany was a place where the Russians made progress in behavior modification.

We are still in W. Germany today.

3 or every 4 German deaths in WWII were by the Russians and for that we ought to be thankful. They paid 3 to one; because they were unarmed. Once armed the Russians did pretty well.

At the end of the war they kept up to 3 million German POW's to work the gold mines in Siberia. 50,000 came back after ten years.
About one million came from Berlin and the rest were already captured.

The Russians did not like to shoot POW's, but did kill about 425,000 in Berlin itself; Sealow Heights and stuff.

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Further pondering about the topic, has revealed other truths.

Watching as many hours of footage of Nazi newsreels as I have, the fabled Aryan race had a LOT of very odd looking Germans.

What Hitler called the "fish faced Jew", seems to have been a very common face in Germany, along with some of the very shortest soldiers I have ever seen in uniform, 4'9" or so.

Now the tall, German heritage man, seems to do very well in American sports, such as baseball, football and basketball.

They are about equal to talent wise, "almost", as the tall black men who play the same game.

Barry Bonds, vs Roger Clemens, for example.

So that Aryan advantage is shared with Africa, not surprisingly. The African reputation for savagery, is also a common trait, shared between the two, as is the love of fancy uniforms.

So, humanity's burden has been to legitimize the outliers of civilization.

French and Italian and even Muslim, Architecture and Art is a quantum step above the German............it is the human emotional factor that appears in the non German cultures, in architecture and art.

What the German needs to learn is to keep his hands to himself in regards to others stuff............. like Countries, borders, loot, art, women, etc.

If you want people to fight a war, call on the Germans; we always have, from Pershing to Eisenhower to Patton, Schwartzkopf, etc.


Now, where did that utter bullshit come from, about the Germans being the Master Race?
Mein Kamph, that's where

Germans are no more the master race or culture than gorillas are; their manifest faults in perception and belief do crop up, as shown in the Nuremberg Trials.

Hitler knew that if he exploited the Master Race Idea and anti Semitism for the loss of WWI, coupled with fancy uniforms, he could bullshit those dumb krauts,until the cows came home.

It was precisely because they were NOT the master race, and dull, that he was able to do it.

The Master Race lost two wars in Europe.

Now, for the Holocaust deniers and Nazi supporters today, I am afraid that they still cling to the false master race belief, and a mistaken version of the facts.
I do not know why.


Hitler needed to loot the Art World of Europe of Art, because them Krauts............ were just house painters at heart.

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Believe it or not, we are not done with the Concentration and Extermination Camps.

There is a whole other set of them located in where?...................Russia!!

How do you kill 27 million people in Russia?

By invading a country and killing everyone you see.

Operation Barbarossa began the Holocaust in Russia that ultimately killed 27 million Russians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

It is not possible to detail all the facts quickly.

But, as part of the offical record and orders by Hitler:
Sexual violence

Rape was a widespread phenomenon in the East as German soldiers regularly committed violent sexual acts against Soviet women.[338] Whole units were occasionally involved in the crime with upwards of one-third of the instances being gang-rape.[339] Frequently in the case of Jewish women, they were immediately murdered following acts of sexual violence.[340]

Historian Birgit Beck emphasizes that military decrees, which served to authorize wholesale brutality on many levels, essentially destroyed the basis for any prosecution of sexual offenses committed by German soldiers in the East.[341] She also contends that detection of such instances was limited by the fact that sexual violence was often inflicted in the context of billets in civilian housing.[342]


Hitler began the largest battle in history, all told.

Operation Barbarossa was the largest military operation in history — more men, tanks, guns and aircraft were committed than had ever been deployed before in a single offensive.[343] The invasion opened up the Eastern Front of World War II, the largest theater of war during that conflict, and it witnessed clashes of unprecedented violence and destruction for four years that resulted in the deaths of more than 26 million Soviet people.[344] More people died fighting on the Eastern Front than in all other fighting across the globe during World War II.[345] Damage to both the economy and landscape was enormous for the Soviet Union as approximately 1,710 towns and 70,000 villages were razed.[346]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...f_Adolf_Hitler

Short time out.

Spiritually speaking, what kind of man was Hitler, and his followers, those guys who invaded Europe and Russia, ultimately killing 50 million people or so?

We need to know about the man himself.

"Hitler had no feeling for the spiritual or emotional side of human existence, and cruelly mocked any belief in God or in a divine being as weakness and idiocy."

[26] Bullock wrote that Hitler believed neither in "God nor conscience" but found both "justification and absolution" in a view of himself that echoed Hegel's............. that heroes of Germany and its soldiers, were above conventional morality, and the role of "world-historical individuals" as the agents by which the "Will of the World Spirit", the plan of Providence is carried out."

Holy shit Batman! He was no Christian at all.
He hated God.

Hitler said, "that Jesus was the bastard son of a Jewish whore, and that his father was an unknown."
Well, that makes it much more clear about who this deranged bastard was.


Those who support the 3rd Reich, should have known about this.
Hitler was basically a Muslim at heart, but he hated Allah; he just liked the killing.

Hitler ate no meat, did not drink or smoke and stayed away from women; he tried to stay up all night because of his bad dreams.
Demonic Possession is a strong possibility, and in his supporters, like Eichmann.




Hitler believed himself to be more than a man.[27][28] Once the war was over, wrote Bullock, Hitler wanted to root out and destroy the influence of the church.

In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection, by struggle and the survival of the fittest.


During the Invasion of France in 1940, Hitler had the Waffen SS destroy as many Christian Symbols as possible, to let the French know what he had in store for them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-just-SS.html

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Here's a great one V

https://southcarolina1670.wordpress..../#comment-7517

murdering 300 innocent Poles at night
Hero of the Soviet State
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Hitler had his bad boys group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unifor..._Schutzstaffel

It was called the SS.

It was always a political organization and not military, but it imitated the military, except that it had no rules, whatsoever.

The Regular SS was invented to protect Hitler, as opposed to the SD Brownshirts, but eventually expanded to over one million men and became the Imitation Army the Waffen SS--(weapon SS), with the Panzergruppen, the Eisatzgruppen and the Concentration Camp staff. It also included the Gestapo, the Schierheindienst and the police/Abwehr.

The unarmed people they killed, were real.


In the beginning, only one in every 4 applicants was selected for the SS. The rejects had to join the regular army, the Wehrmacht/Heer.

The SS originally wore those Black SS uniforms, but they showed lint.

After 1940, with all the blood that was being generated by killing of babies, women and the unarmed, in Poland, France and Holland, they decided to switch to the usual German Army Gray-Green uniforms.

All SS had to wear the SS patches on their collars, and the deaths-head tokens, the "totenkoph" their caps. Also optional were the skull rings that are found a lot in excavations in Russia.


Now we know that Hitler invaded Russia in June 1941.
The front was over 1000 miles long, as German Army Groups, North, Central and South invaded.

Now at Leningrad in the North, Hitler failed to take it ever, but laid siege to it for 3 years, from 1941 to 1944. It cost about 250,000 German lives and a million Russians.
Plenty are being dug up there today.


Hitler sent Army group Central to take Moscow in 1941.
He failed to take it, ever.

Now the USA lost half a million men during WWII, 1941-45.

The Battle for Moscow, that failed by early 1942, cost 1.3 million casualties alone; 800,000 Germans died in that battle for Moscow and the rest were Russians.
800,000 dead Germans, one battle. 1941-early 1942. That's a lot of dead SS.

More Germans did at the hands of REAL ARMED SOLDIERS, in the battle for Moscow alone, that the USA suffered in ALL of WWII.

Remember, those humiliating defeats at Leningrad and Moscow, was AFTER the Germans killed 3 million unarmed Russian POW's in 1941, and 2 million unarmed civilians in 1941, with the SS Einsatzgruppen boys


In the South, Hitler went for Stalingrad in 1941; what a colossal mistake.

After a year or so, The German Army surrendered, but only after 1.8 million people died. Hitler lost another million men killed and 250,000 captured.
Another million Germans gone.............poof.

After Stalingrad, the situation with armed Russians, aggressively killing off the SS, got worse.

The Battle for Kharsk and Kiev, not Kursk, was actually 4 battles. The Germans lost 300,000+ men there.

The Battle for Kursk in July 1943, cost about half a million German men and thousands of tanks, plenty of them SS.

After this time, two operations run by the Soviets, "Operation Dniepr" and "Operation Bagration" started the march west to Berlin.
Those SS men just hated fighting armed people, but Hitler made them stay put and fight.

Russia captured about 50,000 German men during Operation Bagration, and marched them thru Moscow, before they sent them to Siberia in 1944.
Reportedly not one SS man was in that parade. Very very strange. Something drastic happened to the SS men Russia captured.

Also in the summer of 1944 the very first Concentration camp was liberated, and films of the SS handiwork were sent west.


27 Million Russians died in WWII. The USA lost but 500,000.


The Germans killed by Russia is less than 10 million, but not by much.
About 12 million Germans all told died, and that includes civilian, military and POW's.
Fritz was largely killed off by Ivan.

We had 17 million men in uniform and about 5 million actually fighting, but the Russians carried the brunt of the killing of Germans, killing 3 out of every 4 Germans killed.

About half of the one million SS men survived the war, likely out of cowardace.
The SS ran the camps that killed 6 million Jews, 7 million others and worked the 15 million prisoners to death in the Concentration camps.

If it was not for Russia, the outcome of the WWII, would have been very very different.
We would have been fighting until 1950 and the march across France would not have been so quick.

The Germans fought hard, but once they encountered armed Russians and Armed Americans/Amis, things got much harder for them.

We need to appreciate the Russian effort to defeat Germany before the cold war, and recognize the cost to the Germans and why we fought at all.

Humanity depended upon victory over Germany and the SS.

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The end of the war in '45 was the result of many things.

First, not only did Russia defeat Hitler and the SS, but also the space aliens who the Nazi's alleged helped them.

http://mariaorsic.blogspot.com/

Maria Orsic of the VRIL society was Hitlers "medium", and link to the space aliens. At least that is what crazy Joseph Goebbels and Hitler thought.

Such was a gift, that Hitler hated Jesus so much and derided God and spirit so much, that he believed a crazy blond whore first.

Very "SS" in nature for sure, she was.
Hitler just hated Jesus so much out of Jealousy I presume, that he would rather believe in myths, than the ideas of good and evil.

The USA suffered so little in WWII, with only 500,000 casualties at the hands of Germany and Japan, that I am not sure that we could have defeated the Germans on our own.

The Nazi's had a ten year head start training their soldiers, and their tanks were light years ahead of ours, as were the deployment of dive bombers and machine guns.

What happened to the Russians in the first year of battle, 1941 is what surely would have happened to us. We probably would have surrendered, but not the Russians. The war in North Africa was pretty much a disaster for us for the first 6 months.

The Battle of the Bulge, with 175,000 casualties total, German and American, was such a small battle compared to say the Battle of Moscow with over a million casualties, that we came up very very short in training and tactics. Our 99th and 106th Divisions were rolled up like boy scouts, because of lack of training and tactics.

So, we owe Russia for defeating Hitler. Those Russians in the end, were very tough bastards.

Hitler used the V1 and V2 weapons on the west, because by the time they were ready, he was too far away from Russia to use them on Stalin, so he used them on Europe and England.

Hitler and the Nazis and SS were just into killing anyway.

The formerly Nazi occupied countries were a hard nut to crack and were still basically brainwashed to be Nazis.

The USSR formed up Communist Governments to take out the residual Nazis in all of Eastern Europe. THAT was a big favor, as it turns out.

Freedom was still gone in the Com Bloc States, but Stalin was as paranoid as Hitler, and he finished off the Nazi Collaborators in Eastern Europe for good with his policies.

After Stalin died in '53, after Korea, it only took another 35 quiet years for the USSR to fall apart on its own, and for freedom to finally emerge. I have to note, without an actual war between us and the USSR.

That is because the Russians were human beings and not Nazis's and they just waited Communism out.

Germany was never let loose again, as East Germany and West Germany were still under the old coalition of Allies, and the Nazi's/Germans, were not able to use their old SS assholes for anything ever again, and they did still exist in Germany for a long long time.
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Come on, I post a link to one of your heros of the NKVD and you try to ignore it

That's real sad V
That sicko was murdering for Stalin while Shitler was still in prison
G-d knows how many he personally executed

Have a neat little antique Nagant revolver V
1898 mfg
Converted by your glorious Reds to .22RF
front of the barrel, some of the frame is heavily blood pitted
NKVD mass murder gun V
probably has easily over a thousand dead on it

yeah Nazis were awful, I don't celebrate them one bit
thing is in your two threads you either ignore or outright celebrate what your special Reds were doing
Just why is that J guy...
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Reality time.

Russia kicked Nazi Germany's ass.

Now the reason why, after the War, that Germany was NOT allowed to be a participant in the Cold War, WAS a plan and a plot, by the "top boys", east and west.

You can call them "Jews" for all it matters.
It was all decided in NYC in 1945, or as Hitler called it , "Jew York City."

Stalin kept killing Nazis off in the Eastern Bloc countries for years, and we kept it up too, secretly.
Yugoslavia had plenty of Nazis that Tito killed.

The Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Chechoslovakia, all had substantial Nazi's, AND GERMAN CITIZENS PLACED THERE BY HITLER. All those leftover Nazis had to die, and most did there or in Siberia. NKVD/KGB did it.

After 45 years of Soviet Rule, it all came right, and communism, for all its evil ways, was shitcanned by the people, in Russia and the Eastern Bloc, but no collaborator Nazi's were left by then.................they had left for Siberia during the late 40's onward and are buried there.

I cannot blame Stalin for doing that.

NO way, was Germany going to be allowed to fight anyone, ever again, after two wars in that century.

THAT anti-Nazi, anti Germany plot, WAS cooked up by the Jews and the Rockefellers, Harriman, the Bush's, Ford, Henry Kaiser, etc....... all Big Boys boys at the "top".

Why?

Germany was full of Nazi's in 1944, but none in 1945?
Wrong.
The God damned place was a cesspool of Nazi's.

The entire country had to be punished, until the WWII Generation was about dead of old age.
The Marshall plan gave the Germans food and cement to work with.

Those top Jew-boys in the "New Jerusalem", even allowed Israel to be created, mostly to spite the Nazis.

Germany was confined, punished, and made to rebuild its own bombed out cities and streets, brick by brick.

Remember, that all German POW's, not in Russia, were forced to work in England and France for 5 years until 1950, doing the same things, and that includes the 425,000 German POW's we sent back.


Since 1950, the Germans were allowed to complain about the USSR, and make cameras and cars for the world, as little slave boys; they deserved no better, and "them" decided Germany's post war fate.

That anyone here thinks that Stalin was bad and Germany good is just playing with the facts. Germany never had any thing to do withthe cold war and defeasting communism and the USSR.

In retrospect, it all becomes clear why Germany had its military balls cut off, forever.
That is the SS and the Nazis, and 50 million dead all because of Nazi Germany and the SS.

Russia was never going to head west and come across the Fulda Gap. They had suffered too much during the war to fight again. Germany would have been the killing ground, but it was already nothing but a potato field anyway and had to be kept that way.

Trying to equate some killing by Stalin, to what the Nazis did all by themselves in starting the war, from 1939-45, is just batshit crazy. Remember that Hitler and Stalin divided Poland in 1938.

Hitler killed way more Poles that Stalin did in the Katyn Forest.
Warsaw Ghetto annhilation, for example.

Nazis = bad;
SS uniforms = cowards garb.

It is all good that Nazi Germany is all gone, except for distant shadows and echos....and those excavations of those Russian Battlefields where so many Nazi boys are still buried...the "Master Race"...........

You have to ponder the scale of the massive killing of Germans and Russians to get even a glimmer of what happened.
We think we suffered with half a million casualties, and we were sick of the war back home.

Germany lost the Battles for Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad, having lost at least 3-4 million krauts in those battles alone.
They deserved it.

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I don't think that we have even begun to come to terms with WWII and its history.

Our Civil War and WWI are just now being totally fleshed out.

There is a retired US Army General at the Citadel, who has been studying the Battle of Stalingrad for 25 years. He has published a three volume set of 2700 pages, about the history of just that battle.

We just cannot wrap out heads around the number of deaths in WWII.


I have been to the Indy 500, when they had a crowd of 300,000.
We lost 500,000 men in WWII.

The Nazis lost 1.3 million at Stalingrad alone, and the Russians another million.

The scope of the killing just boggles the mind. The Nazis did it all.
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I don't think that we have even begun to come to terms with WWII and its history.

Our Civil War and WWI are just now being totally fleshed out.

There is a retired US Army General at the Citadel, who has been studying the Battle of Stalingrad for 25 years. He has published a three volume set of 2700 pages, about the history of just that battle.

We just cannot wrap out heads around the number of deaths in WWII.


I have been to the Indy 500, when they had a crowd of 300,000.
We lost 500,000 men in WWII.

The Nazis lost 1.3 million at Stalingrad alone, and the Russians another million.

The scope of the killing just boggles the mind. The Nazis did it all.
naw, the Nazis didn't do even half of it assclown

Most of it was the allied forces
You simply don't get to blame all death on one side in wars
that's straight up SJW think

You may have thought my refering to you as J guy was a jewish slam
actually it was Jugend guy, just a youthful mind that absorbs poop
your head is full of it

How is the War between the States being fleshed out huh ?

next you will be running threads that it was all about freeing Blacks
fit's in with your threads on Germany

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Russia killed 3 out of every 4 Nazi dead.......3/4 dead by Ivan.

Ivan was tough.

That means of the up to 8 million Nazi's killed on the battlefield, Russia killed 6 million of them.

The Allies killed about 2 million in N Africa, Sicily, Italy and Europe.


The other missing 4-6 million Germans of the up to 12 million total Germans gone, includes POW's, and those are accounted for by the allied bombings....2 million by bombings, and the rest by Siberian vacations.

We tried, but Russia killed most of them.
Russia = exterminators of Nazis.
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Russia killed 3 out of every 4 Nazi dead.......3/4 dead by Ivan.

Ivan was tough.

That means of the up to 8 million Nazi's killed on the battlefield, Russia killed 6 million of them.

The Allies killed about 2 million in N Africa, Sicily, Italy and Europe.


The other missing 4-6 million Germans of the up to 12 million total Germans gone, includes POW's, and those are accounted for by the allied bombings....2 million by bombings, and the rest by Siberian vacations.

We tried, but Russia killed most of them.
Russia = exterminators of Nazis.
meh'
yeah "Russia" killed them
quite a few were murdered dead by the elements, yeah exposure V
same with Napolean, same if a bunch of New York twinks invaded this area
Snow is one thing
-40 temps ?
people turn into popsicles...

Couple days ago buddy drops by
my home was roughly 50 degrees
man did he whine
I often open the bathroom window to bring sleeping temps into the 30s in my bedroom

my home is cooler than most folks fridges
just sayn' V
you would probably die living with me
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The winter weather in Russia, from Leningrad in the North, Moscow in the Mid section and Stalingrad in the South, was a known factor. Both sides suffered. In Leningrad over a million Russians died from starvation/weather/shelling. About half a million Germans there.
Moscow and Stalingrad were places of massive numbers of deaths on both sides. It was just ******* great!!

Yes, "that old man winter", helped kill off plenty of Nazi invaders.

With Stalin in the east, and Hitler in the west, it was almost a war designed by God, to use these two totally evil people, to smash at each other like the hammers of hell.

The Nazis were eliminated.
Stalin and Russia NEVER recovered from the war, economically.
Stalin had killed off all the real Leninist/Communists by 1940 and plenty of other dissidents as well. As a result we do not have to deal with them or their kids today.

Stalin was a hated totalitarian who used collectivism to hold the people down.
After he died in '53, the USSR, (a name created by Stalin) just floundered around, with the cold war eating up all its meager wealth and turning the people off.

Ironically BOTH the Germans and the Russians were held in captivity until 1991. Think about that for a minute.

Both shithead countries deserved what they got from the USA, which was the World Leader until Obama.

Both Germans and Russians wanted to come to the USA...........forever.

It WAS a war designed in heaven, it wiped out both sides over the long haul.
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Hitler had his bad boys group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unifor..._Schutzstaffel

It was called the SS.

It was always a political organization and not military, but it imitated the military, except that it had no rules, whatsoever.

The Regular SS was invented to protect Hitler, as opposed to the SD Brownshirts, but eventually expanded to over one million men and became the Imitation Army the Waffen SS--(weapon SS), with the Panzergruppen, the Eisatzgruppen and the Concentration Camp staff. It also included the Gestapo, the Schierheindienst and the police/Abwehr.
The term Waffen SS translates into Armed SS, not "weapon SS" . Those were SS units usually the size of a division armed like regular mechanized infantry (Panzer Grenadier Division) OR armored (Panzer Division).

Eisatzgruppen (actually "Einsatzgruppen") are comparable to regimental combat teams or task forces.

"Schierheindienst" .....that word does not exist in German language. I guess you meant the Sicherheitsdienst (Security Service, loosely translated) which was interior state security comparable to the FBI or CIA, a civilian agency.

It seems your grasp of the German language is not that good.
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Comparing the Eisatzgruppen to a US Army regimental Combat team is just nuts.

Never did a USA Regimental Combat team go into an elementary school in Russia, and murder all the students, hundreds of times, or use the Gas Vans for the students, to kill them with Carbon Monoxide Gas.

Many times the Eisatzgruppen--OSKAR DIRLEWANGER was one of those psycho batards, just herded UNARMED civilians into barns, and burned them to death........5000 villages in western Russia got the Eisatzgruppen treatment in 1941---2 million civilians while 2.8 million Russian POW's were just killed by bullets and starvation, all before Dec 7, 1941.



Those motherfuckers got their own trial, thank god.

Dirlewanger was captured but was murdered before trial by US Army guards, likely on orders from above.

There is no use for any Nazi or SS, except for their current uses in Russia, holding up the soil, for crops to grown on above.

MY German is poor, and it will always be that way, but not their history.

Holocaust deniers today are some sort of wierd. Never there, never saw anything and refuse to, but they do like Nazi uniforms, and models of Tiger Tanks, and think the Jews started the war.
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I was just comparing units sizewise, or regarding their duties, nothing else.

Mr. V guy, you are definitely entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine, even though you are generalizing quite a bit. Not each and every German at that time was on board with the Nazi ideology, and not everyone liked or loved Hitler.

Hitler as well as Stalin were opportunists, as both of them exploited the desperate situations in their countries for their own personal gain and managed to wrap the public around their little fingers.

The mayhem that they created is beyond anything.

Both of them should have been terminated at an early age, and the world would have been a different, maybe a better place.

It is all too easy for people to follow this cult of personality, which carries inherent dangers. We have seen it many a time in the run of history, and from 2009 till 2017 we witnessed it in the US.

Most people discard all to quick their common sense, critical thinking and not taking everything at face value for the easy life of a subject who is thought for by the government.

I hate opportunists as much as I hate Nazis, socialists and communists, as it is my experience that nothing good comes from either one of them.
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