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Old May 05, 2018, 13:16   #201
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I gotta pack the truck. Or at least start painting steel.
Bets you have to unpack the truck to pack the truck?

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Old May 07, 2018, 00:26   #206
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And sadly neither qualifies for this year's pistol event...
Seriously!?!? How about run what you own? If you own a DA/SA great run that, but I don’t own such an animal.....

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Ok... I went back and read other reply’s. I have not been keeping up. Yeah sorry but most people I know don’t own a DA. So it’s run what ya brung.

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Seriously!?!? How about run what you own? If you own a DA/SA great run that, but I don’t own such an animal.....

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Ok... I went back and read other reply’s. I have not been keeping up. Yeah sorry but most people I know don’t own a DA. So it’s run what ya brung.

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Well now. Didn't know you were taking over the event.
But if not, I am going back to the original plan.

Everyone WILL shoot the first shot DA. No Glocks.
If you don't have a DA, one will be provided.
If you miss your first shot, you are DQ'ed. You will have 3 chances.
You can use a revolver.

Pistol event is written. So it shall be done.
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Well now. Didn't know you were taking over the event.
But if not, I am going back to the original plan.

Everyone WILL shoot the first shot DA. No Glocks.
If you don't have a DA, one will be provided.
If you miss your first shot, you are DQ'ed. You will have 3 chances.
You can use a revolver.

Pistol event is written. So it shall be done.
Easy dude, I’m not trying to take over anything. I just read back though stuff I have not paid attention to and you said you changed your mind about your plan.

But is it really fair to set things up so the majority of people do not even have a pistol of their own that qualifies? And borrowing a gun you have never shot before? I tried to do a FAL only event once and you told me you didn’t own a FAL and you would not use mine because sights a different for each shooter.....
So we changed it and you could shoot whatever.

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Easy dude, I’m not trying to take over anything. I just read back though stuff I have not paid attention to and you said you changed your mind about your plan.

But is it really fair to set things up so the majority of people do not even have a pistol of their own that qualifies? And borrowing a gun you have never shot before? I tried to do a FAL only event once and you told me you didn’t own a FAL and you would not use mine because sights a different for each shooter.....
So we changed it and you could shoot whatever.

Come on dude....
We have precedence of guns and ammo provided.

AK shoot. Didn't own one. Shot it.
Mil surp bolt action. Didn't own one. Shot it. Bought one for a bit.
You did your Fal shoot, I didn't. No biggie.

You don't have to do the pistol event. My intent is to pull people
out of their norm. In case of something out of the norm. Which
I have done for many shoots now.

T,You have missed some fun pistol events, and missed you not there
to have fun with us.

Also, I was at the entrance of Sea-Tac at the start of the lockdown.
Back an hour later. Bad day.

That's the event.
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Old May 07, 2018, 02:38   #210
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We have precedence of guns and ammo provided.

AK shoot. Didn't own one. Shot it.
Mil surp bolt action. Didn't own one. Shot it. Bought one for a bit.
You did your Fal shoot, I didn't. No biggie.

You don't have to do the pistol event. My intent is to pull people
out of their norm. In case of something out of the norm. Which
I have done for many shoots now.

T,You have missed some fun pistol events, and missed you not there
to have fun with us.

Also, I was at the entrance of Sea-Tac at the start of the lockdown.
Back an hour later. Bad day.

That's the event.
No worries dude. Just stating my thoughts. You know I always enjoy your company. I have missed some good times and I hope I can make it this year.

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Pistol event should be fun, the pistol being provided as a loaner has been shot by quite a few first time shooters, and has proven accurate to all of them. Don't be afraid to give it a try, the sights were set by a little old grumpy German guy in 1996 at the factory and have done well for everyone since.
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I've never seen or shot the pistol in question, but:

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Pistol event is written. So it shall be done.

I like it!

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Where exactly is the pistol event written?

And what is the “loaner” Gun and caliber? Do we need to bring Ammo for it?

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And what is the “loaner” Gun and caliber? Do we need to bring Ammo for it?

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And what is the “loaner” Gun and caliber? Do we need to bring Ammo for it?

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A Sig 226 in 9mm and a Webley .455 will be there.

Personally, doing the Webley myself.
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We have precedence of guns and ammo provided.

AK shoot. Didn't own one. Shot it.
Mil surp bolt action. Didn't own one. Shot it. Bought one for a bit.
You did your Fal shoot, I didn't. No biggie.

You don't have to do the pistol event. My intent is to pull people
out of their norm. In case of something out of the norm. Which
I have done for many shoots now.

T,You have missed some fun pistol events, and missed you not there
to have fun with us.

Also, I was at the entrance of Sea-Tac at the start of the lockdown.
Back an hour later. Bad day.

That's the event.
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I can see the logic of this. I’m n the event you ever have to pick up something unfamiliar, can you hit with it? Bravo, Jason.
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A Sig 226 in 9mm and a Webley .455 will be there.

Personally, doing the Webley myself.
After talking to you this evening. I have a Walther P38 that I inherited from my grandfather. I think it was built in 1944. I'm more than happy to leave it on the table with boxes of ammo for anyone that wants to use it
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Thank you,Sir.
Ammo covered though.
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You shouldn't.

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A Sig 226 in 9mm and a Webley .455 will be there.

Personally, doing the Webley myself.
Oh damn, I thought we were going to shoot the event with Milsurp's broomhandle
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Do we have to use one of the loaner guns, or can we shoot our own DA/SA gun?
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Webley.......

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Just a heads up, due to limited brass quantities of .45 AR the Webley will be available, but I only have 200 pieces of brass for it, so only 200 rounds will be available. Also remember, revolvers will probably need a reload to complete the event


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The gun is a 1918 MK VI with a clip shaved cylinder, it is in great mechanical condition, perfectly safe for shooting ammunition loaded to Webley pressures. All ammunition for this firearm will be hand loads for this reason. Webley safe factory ammunition does not exist for this pistol. I just feel the need to disclose this. All ammunition is loaded to velocities of under 750 fps with 265gr bullets
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You can use your own. These are for people that don’t have one.
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I bet 4x401 is the source for that.

And it depends on what you want to catch:

https://myodfw.com/recreation-report.../columbia-zone


If you aren't fishing for salmon and/or salmonids, and want to catch lake trout, you could go up on the mountain (Mt. Hood). There are drivable lakes of varying sizes that must get stocked - though this isn't my AO, so I don't know.
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If you aren't fishing for salmon...
Whut????

In Alaska the kings run about late May and the silvers run in June/July IIRC. I have no idea about the salmon runs in OR, but we have an extra day on the end of this trip and Blondzilla has never been salmon fishing. So I am thinking maybe.....
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Whut????

In Alaska the kings run about late May and the silvers run in June/July IIRC. I have no idea about the salmon runs in OR, but we have an extra day on the end of this trip and Blondzilla has never been salmon fishing. So I am thinking maybe.....
I could probably arrange a guided trip BUT it would be in the Portland area. About 6 months ago my Dad bought me a new 23' NorthRiver jet sled.

In other words, My Dad is retired and likes to fish, When he kicks the bucket the boat is mine. Hopefully we have the opportunity to wear the boat out before he kicks the bucket.

Seriously, let me know if your interested and I'll talk to him. He might want to go up the Gorge (Like Bonneville Dam)
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I could probably arrange a guided trip BUT it would be in the Portland area. About 6 months ago my Dad bought me a new 23' NorthRiver jet sled.

In other words, My Dad is retired and likes to fish, When he kicks the bucket the boat is mine. Hopefully we have the opportunity to wear the boat out before he kicks the bucket.

Seriously, let me know if your interested and I'll talk to him. He might want to go up the Gorge (Like Bonneville Dam)
This truly sounds EPIC!

Our plan is to wake up Sunday AM at the shoot, help to clean-up, load-up, whatever needs done, then wander our way up to Hood River where we have a hotel reservation for Sunday night.

Our flight home is the "red-eye" that leaves Portland at 11-ish PM on Monday night. If we could slip in a little fishing on Monday somewhere between Hood River and Portland would be incredible!
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This truly sounds EPIC!

Our plan is to wake up Sunday AM at the shoot, help to clean-up, load-up, whatever needs done, then wander our way up to Hood River where we have a hotel reservation for Sunday night.

Our flight home is the "red-eye" that leaves Portland at 11-ish PM on Monday night. If we could slip in a little fishing on Monday somewhere between Hood River and Portland would be incredible!
I'll talk to him. I have to warn you though, He might try to convince you I have a gun problem
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This truly sounds EPIC!

Our plan is to wake up Sunday AM at the shoot, help to clean-up, load-up, whatever needs done, then wander our way up to Hood River where we have a hotel reservation for Sunday night.

Our flight home is the "red-eye" that leaves Portland at 11-ish PM on Monday night. If we could slip in a little fishing on Monday somewhere between Hood River and Portland would be incredible!
You already know this, But, the guided fishing trip is arranged
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Rich - that is super boss. Thanks for doing that!
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Crap, need to load the 100 prepped cases like ASAP. Apparently my purchasing of a new 5" Barrel Pistol will be for naught. I did have a SIG 228 which is the shorter version of the 226 however. It was an OK pistol. Not intimidating at all.

I didn't get the job, but I did force them into a second interview which has only happened one other time in my 19 years. There's a chance that I could slide into the same job later due to other moving and shaking going on. If it happens before October they can go off the same interview panel and I slide in. We'll see.

Getting a better scope for the 3 gun. Will be interesting and fun to see how it works out.
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Okay, on to the much-awaited Ironsman Challenge + 3-Gun Competition

'Scenario + Rules + Not-Stage-Description'... just like you always wanted.


Due to time constraints and a general lack of enthusiasm for my bitchin' serial last year, we're just going to give it to you straight.

1. Stage will start with a handgun of your choice - loaded with one round only - in the low-ready position. Engage 6" target @ 25 yards in less than 5 seconds. If you miss, or if you go beyond the allotted 5 second time limit, it will be considered a miss. This stage-beginning Ironsman Challenge is part of the ongoing Ironsman Challenge for the weekend AND is part of the 3-gun scoring as well: this means that when the buzzer starts, the 3-Gun event clock is running.

2. Proceed to next firing station with empty handgun. Upon assuming the proper position, load and engage targets. Do NOT engage no-shoot targets as they are my children - and it will cost you dearly. After completing firing position, unload and lock open the action.

3. Proceed to the next firing position and reload the handgun. Engage targets to include zombies and infected U.N. troops. Again, Do NOT engage no-shoot targets. After completing firing position, unload and lock open the action (yep, do it again...), and place on table.

4. Retrieve supplied shotgun and ammo, load shotgun, and engage targets. Solve your problems without asking any questions. Think that over.

5. Place shotgun in receptacle and proceed to the next shooting station. Take the supplied weapon from the receptacle and breach the doorway. Engage targets of opportunity with available weapon. Solve your problems without asking any questions.

6. Retrieve staged rifle and engage zombies and steel targets. Do NOT engage no-shoot targets unless you enjoy receiving life-altering penalties and fighting with R.O.s

7. Proceed to barricade and engage steel targets: One (1) target per portal (total of six (6), but you can use as many rounds as it takes to get your hits.

8. Ground the loaded rifle on supplied shooting mat, and engage steel targets from the prone position using the 'weak-side' or 'support-side' (hint: if you are a right-handed shooter, you will be shooting steel targets from 200 - 350 yards as a left-handed shooter. You are welcome. )

9. Upon completing shooting position, ground rifle on the mat, stand and turn to the final target, retrieve rifle and shoot the silhouette @ 100 yards from standing (strong side).

10. Weep for joy at being able to participate in such a beautiful and well-conceived 3-gun event in the gorgeous high desert of Central Oregon. Wipe eyes. Give hugs. Vow to return with your progeny next year.
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Definitions and descriptions:

1. If you hate anything about this event, it's Jonathan's fault.

2. Jonathan doesn't care what you think.

3. Target description =

a. all steel will be painted black for ease of identification and sight picture.

b. all no-shoots are going to be white cardboard. You know the rules.

c. paper targets will be of three types: green-colored zombies, random bad guys, and "infected" U.N. troops wearing ad-hoc uniforms and blue helmets. These magical blue helmets render headshots useless.

Steel targets require one hit.

Paper targets require one of the following three solutions:

1. one head-shot where feasible. "Head shot" = any place in the upper 'A' + 'B' zones. Think about what it takes to kill zombies.

2. two hits in the torso 'A' zone

3. four hits in the torso 'A', 'C', or 'D' zones

Shotgun targets are steel poppers and clay pigeons. Solve your problems without asking any questions.
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Crap, need to load the 100 prepped cases like ASAP. Apparently my purchasing of a new 5" Barrel Pistol will be for naught. I did have a SIG 228 which is the shorter version of the 226 however. It was an OK pistol. Not intimidating at all.

I didn't get the job, but I did force them into a second interview which has only happened one other time in my 19 years. There's a chance that I could slide into the same job later due to other moving and shaking going on. If it happens before October they can go off the same interview panel and I slide in. We'll see.

Getting a better scope for the 3 gun. Will be interesting and fun to see how it works out.
What’s the new pistol?
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So if I bring my 1919 and just mow down the course with a chain fed weapon, will my low time score offset any no-shoot infractions?

Would that be considered solving my problems with no questions? Just asking

I'd love see a chain-fed 1919 on a sling. I think this course is doable in that manner. The 'slow-downs' are going to be when you 'walk' your shots out to 350 yards, when you move from position to position, when you breach the door, and when you shoot left-handed.

I don't think your speed is going to overcome your no-shoot penalties, since every single no-shoot target adds 60 seconds to your time.

Meaning you could theoretically smoke all the targets in ten seconds, and end up with a time in the 8 or 10 minute time-frame. If you have any 'misses' - to include missing required headshots (zombies) and chest 'A' zones (soldiers with helmets...), that will add more time yet.

But you do what you want.
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Getting this out one more time in case you didn't read the brilliant Wall O' Text that describes the Ironsman Challenge / 3 Gun event:

1. all steel is painted black, and you have to knock it down (where possible) or hit it once (R.O. will call "Hit!")

2. all paper is engaged with either:

a. headshot (1 hit) in 6" head zone (upper A/B), for Zombies

b. torso 'A' zone (2 hits), OR torso 'Any zone' (4 hits) for Infected U.N. troops - because you can't shoot thru the helmets

c. either a) or b) for RBGs (Random Bad Guys)

3. all no-shoots are white cardboard


Shooting a no-shoot target OR shooting a legitimate target in such as way that the bullet passes through a no-shoot target is THE SAME THING, and will cost you 60 seconds.

Failing to neutralize a target, not engaging a target, and/or missing the zones on the target that you engage is THE SAME THING, and will cost you 15 seconds.

So scores this year will not be "Time" + "Score". It will only be "Time" + "Time Penalty" - with penalties being given for "non-neutralized targets/misses" and "no-shoots".

As in the case of last year, we're looking for accuracy more than speed. Can't kill the Merten Children while you're running around trying to save the Merten Children.

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