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Old November 29, 2018, 20:42   #1
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Is my M1 correct?

I don't care about original but I am curious about correct. I've done a little reading and have read that many HRA M1s were built with SA parts and LMR barrels. I'm confident the barrel is correct and most likely original to the receiver. But the other parts I'm not very clear on. SA trigger, hammer, and op rod, IHC gas plug?
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I've located a gorgeous original HRA stock set for this to replace the aftermarket replacement it currently wears. The goal is to have it as correct as it can be within reason.
Not sure what to make of that op rod, the number looks engraved vs roll stamped like all the other parts. I know HRA made their own op rods but I don't know what would be correct for the serial.




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Old November 29, 2018, 21:27   #2
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Nice. Your rifle looks like it was one of the Greek returns that have filtered through CMP over the years.

The barrel is correct and likely original to the receiver, date corresponds with the serial number manufacture. The LMR barrels were subcontracted to HRA and IHC, and highly regarded for their quality and accuracy. Score!

The rest of parts are post war Springfield, with the exception of the IHC gas plug, which International Harvester (nice part for someone who needs one). It is typical of these rifles to have a mix of post war parts... it seems that the rifles were disassembled for inspection and/or refinish.

It is hard to tell the finish in the pix, but it appears that the barreled receiver may have been refinished by the Greeks (usually a dark blued, almost black finish). Is the chamber "in the white" (silver), or does it match the finish of the receiver? If it is in the white, the finish is original.

Nice rifle. If decide to correct it, the CMP forum is a great place to barter trades for parts. Personally, I'd enjoy it as it (with nice original wood of course ).

For reference: http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=26120


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Old November 29, 2018, 21:38   #3
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The chamber is in the white but under the hand guard the bluing is very nice, looks almost new. I'll try and get some pics.

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After staring at it for so long my eyes crossed I'm not so sure about the chamber being in the white. If it's blued the bluing barely took and the chamber face looks much brighter than the surrounding receiver. But it's not nearly as bright as the worn bare metal nearby. Seeing that the barrel looks deep black under the hand guard and the chamber looks very thin and lightly blued I think you are right in that the Greeks, or someone, refinished the rifle.





In the pic the chamber face looks nearly identical to the receiver but in real life it's much brighter.
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Old November 29, 2018, 21:46   #4
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The chamber is in the white but under the hand guard the bluing is very nice, looks almost new. I'll try and get some pics.
Cool! The finish under the handguards may very well look nice... think about those heavily worn Imbel FAL kits. Silver forward the handguards, looks new underneath.

Taking pix of post war parked Garands is a PIA. It they are well oil and shot with a flash, the finish looks black (much darker that it really is).

I like the honest wear. Not abused, but she has seen the world. Very cool.
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Old November 29, 2018, 22:09   #5
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I like the honest wear. Not abused, but she has seen the world. Very cool.
I love this rifle for a couple of reasons, a couple you mentioned here. This one isn't a war veteran (most likely) but it's a very nice representation of John Garand's "the greatest battle implement ever devised" and that's the other reason I love it. It came from a member here for a more than fair price and scratched an itch I've had for years. I haven't even fired it yet but just seeing it hanging on the wall with a belt of loaded clips is enough to bring a rush of warm nostalgia to me. Makes me want to break out Band Of Brothers and lock the doors, kill the phone for a day.
Once the original wood is reinstalled it'll be one of my most loved rifles.
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Old November 29, 2018, 22:36   #6
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I am hardly a Garand expert but have a couple of Service Grades that I shoot
regularly.

The *newest* one is a H&R Service Grade mixmaster I bought from the CMP in
2011. Looks similar to your's: H&R receiver, H&R 1955 barrel and the rest of
the parts are SA. All the parts appeared to be re-parked and if you didn't
know better, you would think it's a new gun.

I would guess that your gun was a Service Grade like mine.

Do you have new CMP wood on the gun?

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Old November 29, 2018, 23:07   #7
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The chamber is in the white but under the hand guard the bluing is very nice, looks almost new. I'll try and get some pics.

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After staring at it for so long my eyes crossed I'm not so sure about the chamber being in the white. If it's blued the bluing barely took and the chamber face looks much brighter than the surrounding receiver. But it's not nearly as bright as the worn bare metal nearby. Seeing that the barrel looks deep black under the hand guard and the chamber looks very thin and lightly blued I think you are right in that the Greeks, or someone, refinished the rifle.





In the pic the chamber face looks nearly identical to the receiver but in real life it's much brighter.
Yep, looks like she was blued by the Greeks. Finish characteristics are on point.
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Old November 29, 2018, 23:22   #8
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Nice rifle

http://usriflecal30m1.com/Parts/PartsMFG.aspx?mfg=SA
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Old November 30, 2018, 00:27   #9
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Yep, looks like she was blued by the Greeks. Finish characteristics are on point.
I will break down my HRA and check if the barrel has been reblued. Wouldn't
surprise me.

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Mid production HRA, should be all HRA besides LMR barrel which is a plus. Early HRA's may have some SA parts. Never seen a blued GI barrel, interesting.
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No, but still an M1 that needed a home. Well done.
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The wood is new but I have no idea where it came from there are a couple of markings but nothing that would denote a maker to the layman. It's very pretty and clean, has nice grain and fits better than the Boyd's wood I had on another M1 years ago. The seller indicated that he installed this wood himself.
I'm tied up this morning but tonight I'll note what the markings are.

By the sound of it this is a repatriated Greek lend/lease late HRA rifle that's had likely original HRA parts replaced with SA parts. One can only imagine why, the barrel and receiver look barely used. Makes me wonder how other parts could be worn out or damaged to the point of needing replaced. Still, a very nice and hopefully accurate shooter.
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SA had nothing to do with replacing the HRA parts.

As I already stated, the Greeks were the culprit during their rearsenal process. Garands parts are interchangle, including the bolt with a headspace check to verify. Matching manufacturer parts during reassembly would have unnecessary and a waste of time/resources.

Your barreled receiver was refjjjzhed as a single unit. The color with differ between the barrel and receiver, and the exposed Greek bluing wears more quickly than parkization.
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(Trim) I haven't even fired it yet but just seeing it hanging on the wall with a belt of loaded clips is enough to bring a rush of warm nostalgia to me. Makes me want to break out Band Of Brothers and lock the doors, kill the phone for a day.
Once the original wood is reinstalled it'll be one of my most loved rifles.
Does that mean when you find a nice original 1960's vintage military AR 15 you lock yourself in the home theater with "Apocalypse Now" set to restart at end automatically and drop a hit of LSD? Wait a minute, this post Y2K and were all mostly old now, not 1979 and a bunch of crazy kids anymore... Nice score sir, a Garrand with bandoleer of mixed ball and black tip nearby is a comforting rig. Changes the rules when the poodle shooter crowd shows up.
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I really Like the M1 Rifle and This is My Late HRA,,I cleaned it to death and refinished the wood.
HRA rifles were all HRA Marked parts as far as I know,, But Good news HRA Parts are the easiest to come buy and you have several good trading bit on your gun..

My 2 Favorite M1's are a Springfield That was made 1500 rifles after the last Official number was entered as the last official rifle built in 1958 that is sparkling new in all ways .I paid $550.00 for it when I was selling Nice M1 rifles for $450.00.. The Other is My DCM Winchester Win -13 all Original !! for a kings ransom of $200.00 back in the day.
You have a Great rifle -Shoot as is Or restore to correct --BE WARNED--They are as Addictive as FAL's !!

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SA had nothing to do with replacing the HRA parts.

As I already stated, the Greeks were the culprit during their rearsenal process. Garands parts are interchangle, including the bolt with a headspace check to verify. Matching manufacturer parts during reassembly would have unnecessary and a waste of time/resources.

Your barreled receiver was refjjjzhed as a single unit. The color with differ between the barrel and receiver, and the exposed Greek bluing wears more quickly than parkization.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean that SA replaced the parts themselves, only meant that the original parts were replaced with SA. My bad. I'll change the post to be more clear.
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I really Like the M1 Rifle and This is My Late HRA,...snip......--They are as Addictive as FAL's !!

Nice rifle!

I'm not changing any of the parts on this rifle out but for the wood and that's only to get it back into original form. The SA parts on the gun are perfectly functional and a part of the rifle's history/story. The wood is the only thing out of place to me and will be shortly corrected.
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Looks to have been refinished but that is not "Greek Black", it looks nothing like it
So called Greek Black if you would have ever seen it is very easy to identify, I have personally handled them and owned several. Greek Black is not but "looks" like a epoxy paint like material, shiney and thick looking.

Refinished and original finished Garands will run in color form light grey to dark black depending on the lot of steel, and strength and type of Parkerizing solution.

HRA did use some SA parts early on but not in your serial range
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Greek black is easily removed with Naval Jelly.
Did a ton of bayonets with it and ended up with the original finish in the clear.
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Lots of good information, thank you gentlemen.
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Greek black is easily removed with Naval Jelly.
Did a ton of bayonets with it and ended up with the original finish in the clear.
Real Greek Black that is on Garands can not be removed with Naval Jelly, its a very tough finish. Only think that will remove it is blasting. I know this from experience
What they finished their bayos must not be the same finish they used on Garands
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Ah Garand Porn. I love it. Here are some pics of a HRA Service Grade mixmaster
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