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Old July 15, 2017, 04:50   #1
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So I got me a used fishing boat----

A 2004 Lowe aluminum FM Sea Nymph 165 S with a 2005 Evinrude 75 E TEC and an 8hp Honda trolling motor. It has a 84 inch beam and enough free board for where I go fishing as long as it isn't white capping. A little heavy in the ass with two motors but not too bad.
I had the compression checked on both motors before I bought it and they both checked out okydoky good to go. The Evinrude was 120, 117 & 120 and the Honda was 148 & 145, well within the 10% range of each other and well within spec. I also had an Evinrude/Honda dealer check both motors and got a clean bill of health on both and both serviced with lower lube and new coolant impellers installed as well.
I took it out last weekend to test it out and even caught an eater walleye. The Evinrude was a bit over proped getting to only 4,500 rpm WOT so I swapped out that prop with another that came with it that has a slower pitch and a smaller diameter. The one on the boat was a 17 -14 and the one I put on was a 15 - 13.5 which should get me to the magic 5,000 to 5,200 rpm at WOT. Even with the more aggressive prop the boat came up on plane easily though a bit slow at only 34 mph. Next trip out we will see how the prop change helps out.
So being used it has a few issues like needing new deck wood and carpet, knew that going in. The main floor is delaminating and the carpet has seen better days. Until I get the floor up and out I don't know how the flotation foam is so we will soon see, easy enough to remove and replace once the deck ply is removed. I ordered new marine grade Okoume 5/8ths plywood, they think a whole bunch of this stuff specially the 5' X 10' sheet. So I got a 5' X 10' and a 4' X 8' trying to keep the main decks one piece instead of patch together. The master plan is to fiberglass the tops, edges and about an inch around the edges on the bottom leaving the bottom unglassed. The reason to leave the bottom unglassed is to allow the wood to breath which will help it last longer. I will recarpet the whole boat in a medium gray indoor/outdoor carpet. I tested it the other day to see how hot it would get in direct sun light and it was good to go on bare feet. It was a hot day out at 95 Degrees F not unlike the maiden voyage. Any deck objects like hatch lifts that are black will get a coat of white paint, those get really hot in direct sun light being black, hot enough to burn your tutus.
My last boat was an 18 foot Tahiti flat bottom ski boat with a 455 olds in it with a Berkeley jet, hardly a fishing boat. Now that I'm am officially and old bugger water skiing is no longer on my to do list so a solid fishing boat is what I needed this time around. It has Springfield pedestal seats with sockets on the bow and stern which I don't think I will reinstall but just keep the four main deck mounts. The reason is the ass is already heavy and the bow seat with a good wake might put you on your ass or in the water if it sneaks up on you.
I will try to post up a few pictures I got from the dealer.
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I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Old July 15, 2017, 08:15   #2
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Boats a hole in the water you keep throwing money into.
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Old July 15, 2017, 08:17   #3
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Congrats. Bust out another thousand.
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Old July 15, 2017, 14:43   #4
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Perfect--Run it.

The Boat is great, No need for new carpet, unless ya want to impress women, enjoy it, fish with it, time is short for us old guys.
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Old July 15, 2017, 17:28   #5
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Very nice. Time in the boat always seems well spent, especially when it leads to fish for supper.
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Old July 15, 2017, 19:40   #6
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I love those evinrude Etecs I have the 115 saltwater edition on my ocean boat . Make sure you only run the high dollar oil the XD100 one gallon lasts me about a whole fishing season.
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Old July 15, 2017, 22:11   #7
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Congratulations Nice boat with a nice E-tec .
Good move on the marine grade plywood ,
many people make the mistake of using treated wood on aluminum boats , If you like your aluminum to last that's a big mistake.
Check out Tinboats.net , their forums are a good place for a lot of great ideas & info on modifying and customizing aluminum boats .
You can spend hours there looking at some real "works of art" and a few "pieces of work", the difference is readily apparent.
Good luck fishing.
here's a link to one of the forums on Tinboats

https://www.tinboats.net/forum/viewf...1fd75ca257967e
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Old July 15, 2017, 23:38   #8
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mmmm walleye.

Bon Voyage....
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Old July 16, 2017, 00:58   #9
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I started taking the deck wood out and old carpet today. The old carpet glue was not holding much of anything any more, dried out and turned to dust. The plywood is dried out, delaminating and crumbling. Pretty easy so far and I see no issues replacing the old wood. It should be straight forward tracing out from the old to the new lumber. Not sure when the new wood will arrive yet but the fiberglass materials should be here this coming Thursday.
I put together two saw horses today to lay planks on for a work surface, I made them a bit tall so no bending over required. I will be working in the car bay of my shop with a large fan for ventilation so plenty of room and fresh air. It has been a very long time since I worked with fiberglass but after studying up I feel good to go. All I need is a few gallons of acetone, a paper jump suit or two, several cheap paint brushes and I should be set, two rollers for laying down the glass and working the air out will arrive with the other stuff Thursday. I already have nitril rubber gloves for working on the motorcycles and a respirator but I need to make sure the filters are good for fiberglass which they should be. A new set of sharp shears would not hurt either.
Monday night I should have everything taken apart but it has been smoking hot out lately so time in the morning and late afternoon is all I am willing to spend outside. With the altitude here at 5,300 feet there is less atmosphere to block the sun shine so sunburn is a sure thing if your out too long in it unprotected.
I will snap some pictures tomorrow.
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Boats a hole in the water you keep throwing money into.
Mine is a hole in the garage that my wife keeps throwing Christmas decorations into.
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Old July 16, 2017, 21:26   #11
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Here are two pictures of the deconstruction.
Some poor workmanship stapling a 1/2 inch section because the wood was cut incorrectly, too short.
I got the fore deck taken off just put back for cover. Looks like the wood is exterior grade 1/2" not marine grade. Replacement will be 5/8" marine grade Okoume.
I found out why the live well was loosing water, the seal was not put down correctly again poor workmanship.
All in all the boat hull looks good and designed well, nothing scary so far.
The carpet glue used works great for carpet to aluminum but not so great for carpet to wood.
I realize this is not a high end boat but doing things right should be the mission.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Old July 18, 2017, 02:10   #12
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That saying about a boat being a hole in the water into which you throw money?
Well I have news for you, it is a freakin whirlpool. Geezzz!
So I got the main deck out today, which was a pain but it is outa there. Everything looks OK under there so Yippie!
Found out lacquer thinner takes off the old carpet glue from the aluminum parts, a very good thing. I don't think a stitch of the old carpeting was held by glue anymore except on the aluminum parts like hatch covers and stuff. The old deck was delaminated pretty badly but that is the whole reason for the refit after all.
Lots of clean up on the hatch covers and helm base to remove the old glue. Vacuum out the bilge as best as I can then wash it down.
More pictures tomorrow.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Looks like everything you need in a boat, nothing you dont.

You have the rod holders to go with those sockets? I have the same kind, I can look for brand and model if you need replecements.
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Here are two pictures of the deconstruction.
Some poor workmanship stapling a 1/2 inch section because the wood was cut incorrectly, too short.
I got the fore deck taken off just put back for cover. Looks like the wood is exterior grade 1/2" not marine grade. Replacement will be 5/8" marine grade Okoume.
I found out why the live well was loosing water, the seal was not put down correctly again poor workmanship.

The old decking come from the factory or was it done by a previous owner?

Nice project by the way and it sounds like you know how. Good luck with the rebuild.
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It looks as though the decking is original from the factory, the boat is 12 / 13 years old. What I have noticed throughout the disassembly is short cuts taken and poor workmanship where it compromises the integrity of the unit as a whole. I suppose this is typical of production manufactured products to cut costs. A little bit more time here and there and more attention to details would make a huge difference in build quality. The deck is sort of slapped together with wood decking material very questionable. They do have some fairly competent aluminum welders judging by the welded items I have seen, I was a welder in my former life before I became an examiner.

Here is what I have determined will be the final outcome of this project and why.

Main deck well will be 15 mm marine ply with fiberglass over glass mat top surface only going to edges and under about 2 inches. The reason to not cover the bottom is to allow the wood to breath. The wood is well above exposure to water other than air moisture from the bilge. In two of the pictures you will see a 12 volt 130 cfm bilge air blower that will be mounted at the bow. This blower will move air from the bow area down into the bilge area aiding in removing any moisture.
The main deck will be gel coated over the previously laid fiber glass with two coats. The first will have crushed walnut shells for texturing and the second will be tinted grey and to smooth out the crushed walnut shell texturing to be easier on the tutus when walking with bare feet. Under and around the edges I will calk with 3M 4200 UV calk to seal. This calk is removable just in case events in the future require the deck to come up. There is a 27 gallon fuel tank under it so one just never knows. At the stern I will leave a gap for water to escape into the bilge area where it can be removed by the bilge pump or by vacuuming when the boat is removed from the water. We have an invasive species issue here in Montana now thanks to assholes bringing in mussels from the Great Lakes so all boats must be clean and dry at all times after leaving the water to kill any larva so we don't spread this menace everywhere.

The above main deck sections will again be 15 mm marine grade ply with fiberglass over mat. Instead of a gel coat top layer these areas will be carpeted with a matching shade of grey, as best I can, to the main deck gel coat with marine grade carpet. The storage and live well hatches which are aluminum will also be covered in carpet.

The reason for the main deck well to be gel coated and not carpeted is because it will see most of the foot traffic and abuse. I can always lay a loose cover of carpet if needed or desired which can easily be replaced. I do not intend to ever remove this main deck again in what remains of my lifetime. A long way to go yet but it will be worth all the trouble and cost when it is completed. Keep in mind like most of us here I really enjoy working with my hands and why I enjoy building FALs so much. As I mentioned before in one of my former lives I was a welder and a fairly competent one. I love to create and build specially with metal, it is a guy thing.

Lots of thought has gone into this final plan together with researching options. In the pictures provided I hope to document what I do so if in the event other Filers need information it will be here for you to view and read.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Old July 19, 2017, 16:14   #16
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Looking like a fun project!

I miss having a boat....I don't miss the expense however.
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Don't let it get you down. That's actually not a bad looking boat at all,even if you had to put some spiff into it. While you have the deck boards out,inspect the foam to make sure its not waterlogged. It happens when people leave the boat out in the weather with the plugs in. Fills with water and saturates the foam. Makes the boat heavy in the water,too. Had an old 13.5' Whaler clone that was waterlogged in the foam. Couldn't get it to plane with a 35 horse motor. No hope for those.Too sealed up to repair.
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I have defiantly thought of waterlogged foam. I am thinking of probing with a small diameter metal tube all the way to the bottom. Tap the probe in and then examine the core. Refill the hole with new foam sent down the tube as I back it out if all is well. If not I mine the old stuff out and refoam.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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The thing about wet foam, is it ALL must come out.

There really is No way to dry it out and getting it out is a Bitch, ask me how I know?, 6 Inboard/outboards sitting around my place, Too many Boats.

I know what you mean on the welding and Metal work, From Gold N Silver to welding up an USS Ice Breaker hull with 17" of Alu-Minium all cracked out, I like it all, Have a Big English wheel-42" throat, yeah, I like to shape sheet metal too.

Enjoy your project Sagerider, hope catch lots of fish too.
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I've been in the marine trades since I was a little kid. I would strongly recommend not leaving the undersides of the decks, upper and lower unfinished or unsealed. The plywood will absorb moisture. Paint it with a good epoxy primer, Interlux Interprotect 2000 is a great product, and a coat of marine polyurethane on top of that. This method works for the top of the deck, too if you don't want to mess with gelcoat. Add antiskid additive to the paint. I just replaced the cockpit floor on a boat that only lasted ten years 'cause the owner thought what you think about the underside of the plywood.
As far as waterlogged foam, older boats used open cell foam which does get waterlogged. Newer boats use closed cell foam which does not. Easy enough to test to see what you have.
Yes they are holes in the water but when you're out on it there ain't nothing better...
Best of luck with your new vessel!
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she looks great congrats.
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I've been in the marine trades since I was a little kid. I would strongly recommend not leaving the undersides of the decks, upper and lower unfinished or unsealed. The plywood will absorb moisture. Paint it with a good epoxy primer, Interlux Interprotect 2000 is a great product, and a coat of marine polyurethane on top of that. This method works for the top of the deck, too if you don't want to mess with gelcoat. Add antiskid additive to the paint. I just replaced the cockpit floor on a boat that only lasted ten years 'cause the owner thought what you think about the underside of the plywood.
As far as waterlogged foam, older boats used open cell foam which does get waterlogged. Newer boats use closed cell foam which does not. Easy enough to test to see what you have.
Yes they are holes in the water but when you're out on it there ain't nothing better...
Best of luck with your new vessel!
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So you are verifying my fear of leaving the underside untreated. Intuition tells me you are correct. I do not want to go through all of this again years down the road. I will check to see where I can obtain the products you are recommending.
I can use all the help and sound advice I can get.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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PM replied to. The foam in your boat looks like closed cell foam. Being that the boat is only 12-13 years old it probably is closed cell.
JMHO, your kicker is way more motor than you need. I'd sell it and replace it with a 4HP something.
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Yep closed cell foam from the manufacturer, Lowe.
I agree the 8 hp Honda is over kill and heavy too. The boat is stern heavy because of it. I have been thinking of a smaller kicker as a matter of fact.
As per our PMs I have ordered the Interlux 2000 and bilge paint to top it off for the underside of the deck panels all round.
I ordered some 8 pound expanding foam today to help even out the substraight under the main deck. The plan here is to identify the low spots and either fill then sand and paint or prepare the main deck with plastic sheet, tight, then pour stringers of foam then drop the main deck and allow the foam to do its thing to spread out and flatten the substraight or underlayment. Due to construction technique this substructure is not flat but has high and low places. The idea using the 8# foam is to support the main deck from underneath with a flat surface.
I am thinking if I lay the foam down in stringers not just dump it it will spread out and do what I want it to do. I may have to weight the completed deck to keep from the foam pushing it up but if it does the plastic will prevent it from sticking to the underside of the deck. It can then be removed and foam sanded down as required. Granted I will have about 20 to thirty seconds to lay the deck down after mixing the foam so a little help might be required.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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First Cut!

All the pieces and parts have arrived except one seat pedestal and my eight pound foam to level the main deck. The marine ply showed up last week and today I made my first cuts. The first one was the nose piece and the second was the fore deck. The nose piece fit perfect first go around with the running light and the get out of my way horn, the fore deck needs a little more sanding/grinding, about a 1/8 inch to fit perfectly. Keep in mind the boat hull has a taper down the sides and toward the bow so fitting the fore deck is a bit of a work of art.
I got the front compartment carpeted and the bilge fan mounted which will circulate air down through the bilge to dry it out on the way home from fishing and for winter lay up. The fan moves 130 cubic feet a minute so it should do the job nicely.
After I get all the wood cut the hard part of fiberglassing begins next week. I got all my fiberglass materials from fiberglasssitedotcom which from what I understand is best there is available for polyester. They have several YouTube videos for us first time guys that are extremely helpful. There are many other sites for information as well and I have watched them all several times, all interesting and helpful stuff for sure.
I got some cheap carpet at Lowes, I hope I don't regret it, after buying some high zoot stuff that only goes around corners one way. If you go 90 degrees out the weave opens up and looks like crap. Oh well, I should have requested a sample first. The only other stuff I found at a carpet outlet was either a brown or a black. The black is a non starter because it would burn your feet in the hot sun. The brown just did not get me excited, sort of not my style. So I got this grey stuff and I will color the gel coat on the main deck to match.
Here are a few updated pictures. The Camaro got displaced from it's cave while the wood cutting, painting and fiberglass work is being done.
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I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Old July 29, 2017, 23:24   #26
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Gel coat is made to be sprayed in molds, not used as a top coat.
Thats why when fiberglass boats get beat up, they paint them, not gel coat them.
I would give a call and talk to the resin manufacturer about you planed use.
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Old July 29, 2017, 23:37   #27
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Yes gel coat gets sprayed when laying up a boat hull but it is also used for decking. I will be adding crushed walnut hulls on the first coat and then a second coat to smooth out the ground walnut shells so it won't be too rough but enough to provide a non slip surface and super easy to clean. Just wash it down, a little scrub with a broom and rinse to finish it up.
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The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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Old July 30, 2017, 00:28   #28
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Think of it like laying up a boat hull in reverse. First is a primer layer of resin on sanded wood, no wax and let that set up. Next another layer of resin, no wax, and lay your glass mat down, wet in and let it set up. Next is the first layer of gel coat, no wax, with the crushed walnut shells and let that set up. With the final layer of gel coat you add wax so it sets with a hard finish. What the wax does is it rises to the surface and forms a very thin layer that cuts off oxygen so the resin sets hard. Without the wax added the resin stays tacky for bonding to additional layers. And that is how it is done.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Old July 30, 2017, 06:44   #29
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In theory,,,But fwiw, I would try that on some scrap before committing to large areas, ymmv.
Personally, Id do it in speedliner or another sprayed type truck bed liner, its way more forgiving and easier to work with. It dosent care as much if one area is a little heavier sprayed, like gel coat....In another life, when I did boats and kit car boddies, gel coat was always issues....too heavy, too light,,anywhere it wasent within a very narrow thickness range..
Good luck,,and carefull with that peroxide....
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I have a 14' Alumicraft that has been sitting for years. Now I find I have to take a training course and pass a boat operator test to use it. I'm tempted to sell my gas engine to avoid the test and spend the money on solar recharging for the electric motor(should get new tires and rope too).

It's all aluminum with bench seats so there is no wood to replace.
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My oldest brother loves boats. He just bought his 8th one and I asked him why so many. He says it's the same as my gun buying, the golf bag approach with one to do most any boating he wanted to do. Last one was a walk through front he uses strickly for crabbing. He brings his family to the coast and crabs for the weekend. Figure at 76 he can do as he pleases.
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Sagerider Buy Another Boat, then you can go FISHING.

Dang, Nice boat you have and No FISH?? Maybe winter would be better for slow setting fiberglass, the summer heat makes it flash over so fast, I put paint and fiberglass in the refrigerator in such times just to Slow it down.
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Yep, temperature and humidity is something I have to watch. Too hot and the resin will set too quikly. In the Camaro Cave it stays cooler than outside so I should be good if I lay it up in the morning or in the evening, morning would be better I am thinking.
Other people are asking the same question why am I tearing the boat apart. My answer is because I am that kind of guy. For me half the fun is all the planning and work that goes into it. I am learning a great deal and having great fun while I am at it. I should be done week after next if all goes according to plan.
Today I finished fitting the fore deck and next will be laying the glass then carpet.
Problems arise and surmounted like most things in life and waiting for answers never fails me. If I run into something that stumps me I just wait and sleep on it until the answer comes. An example is a problem with the live well hatches. One was straight forward but the minnow bucket side was really hokey and slopping water out from the factory. I was really perplexed about it for two days. I got the idea to do some checking and found out no minnows are allowed at Canyon Ferry where I fish, problem solved, no need for a minnow bucket or the hatch for it. I have some plexiglass coming to act as an anti slosh barrier and will devide the live well into two sections. With some holes drilled in it water will pass from one side to the other without the whole inventory moving from one side to the other at the same time. There are already slots for dividers so easy peasy.
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The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

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First primer coat of resin today!

All went according to plan.
The wood looks so beautiful varnish would have been nice but not practical though. Tomorrow will be laying the glass mat. I am thinking of worrying about one piece at a time, the fore deck, due to limited working time. The hockey puck from the remaining resin was so hot I decided to warm up some lunch. The temperature was perfect today at 75 degrees, I had just enough time to finish before the resin went stiff.
Even with my full beard the negative pressure test was not that bad. Sure the respirator leaked a little but after tightening the straps I got good suck factor.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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First of the glass mat down today

Wow that glass mat love it some resin! The primer coat took a pint for both both the fore deck and the nose but for the glass mat it took 2 1/2 quarts for both pieces. A little cool today so I used a small space heater to warm the shop up, I was sort of waiting for the big boom. All went well and the resin set nicely after adding a few CCs more of hardener. No bubbles under the mat so all is good to go. One thing about the glass mat is it does not go around sharp corners.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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BOAT is the acronym for: Break Out Another Thousand.

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Boat update---this is really a big job!

The boat is still in pieces with some required back tracking, I really hate rework.
Turns out the 2000E sucked big time bubbling once exposed to some warmth from the sun. So had to strip it all and start over, oh well, I guess the stuff does not like uncured polyester resin.
Other than that things are going along well just a lot of work. The prep work is brutal cleaning all the old carpet glue from all of the aluminum hatches covers and frames and leveling all the underdeck surfaces with 8 pound foam. Yesterday was interesting and easy enough replacing the fuel filler hose section that turned 90 degrees into the fuel tank. I noticed some small cracks on the outside bend surface and figured this can't be good. I had worried about it for a few days and did some investigation into replacement. Turns out the 90 degree bend exceeded the minimum diameter requirement for hose of this type which in turn caused the cracking as the hose aged. So I cut off the bad 90 degree section, got a made 90 degree elbow and spliced it into the filler hose, problem solved.
Lots of aluminum to clean old glue off of using paint stripper which works great but sucks if you get even a dab on your skin. Nitril gloves don't work very well with paint stripper so I have to keep changing them out. Jasco paint stripper is the Kat's ass!
Time spent replacing broken pop rivets and adding some where needed. Still planning out the next day's work as much as possible, at least one major project needs to be completed every day. Lots still to accomplish. Due to my over the top concern about details progress is slow but it is steady and well done except for the paint issue for the bottom of the fore deck wood but that will be sorted in the next two days.
I will continue on smartly and post a few pictures as it come together. I did order new carpet to replace the cheap ass Lowes carpet I bought a few weeks ago. Turned out the thin carpet, 10 oz. would not hide the screw heads so I ordered some 20 oz. that should arrive late next week. The plan is to have everything ready to start carpeting when it does.
Other than that life continues unabated.
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I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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Looks like its coming together, Glad for ya.

IF you have to take a trip towards Oregon, I'll GIVE YOU an Nice fishing Boat, Trailer and Motor. Best Regards.
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Wow! That is a very nice offer but the one I have now is kicking my ass. Things are progressing though and this morning I flattened out the 8 pound foam for the fore deck. Next is to put a second coat of bilge paint, not 2000E, over the surface of the foam I shaved. While the paint is still wet I plan on placing the fore deck down in position, walk around on it transferring some paint to it's underside. The plan is to use the paint template on the bottom side to drill holes for the attachment screws. I will drill pilot holes from the bottom and countersink the top side.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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Foam

Here are a few updated pictures I took this evening. I got the fore deck marked for the screw holes and just waiting for the new carpet to arrive before screwing it down into place. Until then I will continue on with the main deck sub floor, foaming and leveling it out for the main deck panel. The more yellow foam in the picture is the original floation foam put in when the boat was made.

Inside the live well I put an anti slosh baffle to keep the entire inventory of the live well from moving side to side like a mini tsunami. Both sides of the live well are large enough for any anticipated catch. If something should show up bigger in the cooler he will go.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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Old October 29, 2017, 17:04   #41
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The Boat update

So winter has arrived and the boat is not complete yet, dang. The weather has made a change for cooler conditions like snow and freezing temperatures now so working outside ain’t going to happen.
I have however made great movements forward into achieving my goal of refurbishing this old boat. The bow piece is complete, the foredeck is complete including the live well. The main deck is complete and yesterday I finished the installation of the steering console including electrical and control connections as well as control routing and protective covers. All that remains there is to mount the fuse box and ground buss. The rear deck pieces remain in the shop waiting for me to glue the carpet down, they are all fiberglassed, prepped and ready. I have been waiting to finish them while the weather has been good outside when I could do in the boat stuff.
In the stern I mined out the huge blocks of pour in flotation foam with a 90 degree die grinder and rotary wire brush that I had one of those bad feelings about. Turned out my suspicions were correct that the foam contained moisture and being in direct contact with the transom plywood was starting to degrade the plywood transom. With no flow path or air circulation wood rot was just a mater of time. The transom plywood was wet and well on it’s way to rotting out if intervention was not done. If I decide to replace the transom next summer I will use Coosa board that is impervious to rot. As it stands now I have been drying out the transom plywood with a small ceramic heater for a few weeks which is working out very well. Because I removed the pour in foam from both sides of the transom air circulation is very good. I move the ceramic heater to each side of the splash well every day or two which has done a great job in drying out the plywood. Just to be on the safe side I will continue the drying process throughout the winter months even though the plywood appears dry on the outside surface. Last night after finishing the steering console I winterized both engines so they are all good to go next spring. I have also added Stabil marine to the fuel so injectors and fuel is secured.
I bought a Canon down rigger for the boat and have pretty much figured out where and how I will mount it. The mounting point will be right rear behind the control console and drivers seat. Due to the stresses from a small crane the mounting Point will be re-enforced and rock solid.
The rod storage locker hatch cover needs carpet but it is ready and waiting like the rear deck sections. The aluminum cover over the right side control tunnel needs to be fitted and then carpeted as well but should go quickly once fitted.
All in all everything has gone very well and I have had a blast doing the restoration. As with most things the devil is in the details which soak up huge amounts of time. Without addressing these nagity little details the whole project would be compromised and I was not going to allow that. With the time and money put into this project I did not cut corners. Once I get all the inside the shop pieces completed it should finish up nicely next spring when the weather warms up and the ice on the lake melts.
The benefits of this project have been many including loosing almost twenty five pounds due to climbing up and down and all around. This has been very beneficial to my over all health and for excellent mental activity. I have throughly enjoyed every aspect of this project. I have spent every day since mid July working on the boat taking little time for anything else. This has been a huge project but well worth the effort. Because I enjoy working with my hands and mind so much it has been an over all enjoyable adventure.
The nay sayers have been many with nothing to add to the project of any sort. Why are you going through all this, because I want to is my answer.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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