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Old November 19, 2017, 18:19   #1
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If you go into the woods today, you'd better not go alone...

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Searching is expected to continue Saturday for a missing elk hunter in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest.
With partly clear skies in the Saturday forecast, the air wing unit from the King County Sheriff's Office will participate in the search, Skamania County Sheriff Dave Brown said in a news release.
Joel Presler, 37, of Vancouver has not been heard from since Saturday, Nov. 11. Deputies found Presler's 2004 black Ford pickup on Wednesday off Forest Road 6035. The search began Wednesday. He had been on a hunting trip in the Forlorn Lakes area.
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Windigo probably got em.

Or maybe a Kathygriffin.
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Down here, would say he met up with the smugglers coming across, them peaceful souls just looking for a decent way of life the left is always speaking about.
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9 days now. Not good odds he's still kicking. I wonder what gear he had on him? That area looks seriously remote. Place like that,it'd be a good idea to leave a map in your truck,with a route highlighted,matching the map you are carrying. And stick to it.
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After my first deer season in Michigan I was stunned to see figures for the hunting season expressed as KIA, WIA and MIA. Two of the 4 MIA have not been located to this day although their Blazer was located in a salvage yard several counties away from where they were expected to hunt.
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In my AO banjo music would be a bad omen when alone in the woods.
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Been wondering how far that is from where Minihan met his monsters.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Crat...5!2d46.7581681

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After my first deer season in Michigan I was stunned to see figures for the hunting season expressed as KIA, WIA and MIA. Two of the 4 MIA have not been located to this day although their Blazer was located in a salvage yard several counties away from where they were expected to hunt.
To wit -
The brothers told several people they disposed of the bodies by feeding them to pigs.

https://www.michigan-sportsman.com/f...hunters.51347/

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``Their human faces are nothing more than masks for monsters,'' said Donna Pendergast, assistant state attorney general, in her closing argument Wednesday.

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i have done a fair amount of hunting by myself in nm, az & co. sometimes shiite happens. a man alone has little room for a mistake or bad luck. i always plan an outing like a military op & gear up like a mil op. 4' of snow requires snow shoes, or skis, goretex, proper snow gear. i have met very few hunters with proper snow gear or nav skills. get lost, get wet, get dead.
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Came across people like that in north Idaho. Some odd folk living the hermit life there and you have to wonder what is hidden in their past life.
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stanley vigil is missing near pecos. i hope he is alive & well.
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a man alone has little room for a mistake or bad luck.
Then why do you insist on going out alone, as I cautioned in your thread?

Bad JuJu.
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Then why do you insist on going out alone, as I cautioned in your thread?

Bad JuJu.
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I never watched this movie, but looking at this photo, did the guy with the bird on his head, take it off to sleep, or did he stay awake through out the whole movie???

And how does a white hat stay that clean out here in the west around horses?

My hats look like they have been dragged through a pig pen five minutes after I put one on.
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I never watched this movie, but looking at this photo, did the guy with the bird on his head, take it off to sleep, or did he stay awake through out the whole movie???

And how does a white hat stay that clean out here in the west around horses?

My hats look like they have been dragged through a pig pen five minutes after I put one on.

it's hollyweird ...... "movies is majic"
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Been wondering how far that is from where Minihan met his monsters.

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Looks to be roughly 230 miles as the crow flies
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I stress to my kids; you find yourself lost,you get a fire going,sit your ass down,and focus on keeping it going. A fire throws a much larger IR signature than a 98 degree and cooling human body,and rescuers,if they're smart,will use thermal/IR to look thru the woods instead of relying solely on eyeballs. They can work on building a lean-to or poncho hooch while the fire is going,or maybe boil up some water.
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for about $150 you can get a "find me beacon", what's your life worth?
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never found her that i know of. i am the baddest mofo in the woods
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never found her that i know of. i am the baddest mofo in the woods
Who allowed the ma-ma-rine into the conversation?
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Looks to be roughly 230 miles as the crow flies
Yeah but I only put Crater Lake as a waymarker, not sure if that's the spot and too lazy to look up the original post and do my map magic. Someone else can math that out.
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I never watched this movie, but looking at this photo, did the guy with the bird on his head, take it off to sleep, or did he stay awake through out the whole movie???
Do not question the ways of the redman, for they are mysterious and besotted with granola-filled hocus-pocus denied to the likes of you and I.

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Looks to be roughly 230 miles as the crow flies
Sounds about right, give or take a few, as the crow flies.
It's rugged country around there. I hope he is found alive.
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In my AO banjo music would be a bad omen when alone in the woods.
I have some really annoying "progressive" relatives who just say the most disparaging things on facebook you can imagine about gun owners, rural white folk, and Southerners especially. Finally a couple of asswipe cousins from New England were ranting and one of them said something about our "hatred" of gays and lesbians was really a sign of self loathing and closeted homosexuality. I told them that we don't take scrawny progressive Yankees like y'all down to the river, hog tie ya and nail you in the keester cause we're a bunch of queers like you all are. It's nothing that personal. We just like the surprised look that comes across your faces.

It worked too cause they haven't been back on Facebook since.
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Gonna be an interesting autopsy.

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Damn,that sucks. A short rifle shot from his truck. Cripes,he could have tied a string to his bumper and followed it back.
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there have been others disappear in new mexico. mel nadel was never found, disappeared near pecos like stan vigil , who is still missing.
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Les Stroud once said something about the three lemons in survival. About people not recognizing when they get the first lemon,the second lemon,and the third,which basically seals their fate. Knowing when something is impacting you,and your abilities,and dealing with that thing,before cascading on to the second lemon.Once you hit 2,its time to really stop,rest,regroup,think,deal with issues,etc. Don't allow yourself to go on to 3.
I think it was one of his episodes where he went to see why some guy disappeared down in a mountainous region in South America.
I hope someone with advanced survival training and skills analyses this guy's last day,and publishes it.... a hundred yards from his freaking truck.
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people are frickin lazy & do not want to carry gear such as goretex jacket & trousers, survival kit, etc. i kit up just like the days of old in the usmc. pancho, liner, 782 gear, 2 or more canteens, extra ammo, blah blah blah if i am going into the boonies. most everyone i know bitches about lugging gear around. new mex weather is a sunny 60 during the day & 15 degrees at night. booze is the devil's honey in the boonies. get drunk & f$&k & its all over.
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Les Stroud once said something about the three lemons in survival.
That's basically true for many situations that turn to crap - the redundancies, fail-safes and back-up systems were ignored, not maintained or never implemented. Fate then threads the eye of the needle and skewers those sitting around with gaped-mouth expressions.

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Around 1950 or 1951 two hunters were lost in the Gifford Pinchot National Forrest. Efforts to find them had failed. My father and his partner were the two best timber cruisers at Ladd logging company. Their boss showed them the newspaper's front page with the lost hunters and said "go get those two and bring them back here". Dad and Roger found them that day. My Dad said they had no business being in the woods.

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Around 1950 or 1951 two hunters were lost in the Gifford Pinchot National Forrest. Efforts to find them had failed. My father and his partner were the two best timber cruisers at Ladd logging company. Their boss showed them the newspaper's front page with the lost hunters and said "go get those two and bring them back here". Dad and Roger found them that day. My Dad said they had no business being in the woods.
Were they dead,or alive?

I'm watching "Missing 411" on the staggering number of people missing in National Parks. Holy dogshit. There is something way more to these disappearances than somebody just getting lost,or picked off by an animal.
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Were they dead,or alive?

I'm watching "Missing 411" on the staggering number of people missing in National Parks. Holy dogshit. There is something way more to these disappearances than somebody just getting lost,or picked off by an animal.
To be honest they were idiot's. When Roger and Dad found them they tried to argue with them about the correct way out. Those woods were my Dad's living room at that time he knew exactly where he was. Roger said to Dad "Let's leave them". Dad turned to them and basically said if you do not follow us you are dead. They got smarter fast. So yeah they lived.
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I'm watching "Missing 411" on the staggering number of people missing in National Parks. Holy dogshit. There is something way more to these disappearances than somebody just getting lost,or picked off by an animal.
Wendigoes.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/missing...onal-parks.htm
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1563/cold-cases.htm

FBI recorded @ 13,500 folks went missing in the US of A during 2016.
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To be honest they were idiot's. When Roger and Dad found them they tried to argue with them about the correct way out. Those woods were my Dad's living room at that time he knew exactly where he was. Roger said to Dad "Let's leave them". Dad turned to them and basically said if you do not follow us you are dead. They got smarter fast. So yeah they lived.
I wonder if they subsequently bred litters of little idiots.
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most folks are genuinely stupid and believe tv. its pass/fail in the boonies. no cell, police or any help if something goes wrong. i always ask people with me if they have med conditions like sting allergies. very, very few have a clue about land nav.
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most folks are genuinely stupid and believe tv. its pass/fail in the boonies. no cell, police or any help if something goes wrong. i always ask people with me if they have med conditions like sting allergies. very, very few have a clue about land nav.
I have to admit that I've gotten side tracked in my own back yard on the tractor and came out of the woods about 4 properties up the road.
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Were they dead,or alive?

I'm watching "Missing 411" on the staggering number of people missing in National Parks. Holy dogshit. There is something way more to these disappearances than somebody just getting lost,or picked off by an animal.
https://www.creators.com/read/diane-...many-are-there

National parks, tons of people from out of town coming into them, people not missed for days or weeks, family not sure where family members are, would be a possible hunting ground, many ways in, strange people present daily, all coming and going without a second look.
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I would imagine by now,the Park Service would have installed cameras on all entrances and exits. The tech is dirt cheap. Wireless.
The thing is,there's been people go missing who were very woodlore savvy,who knew their shit,and their limitations. Hell,one was a senior Park Service ranger. Others were guides.
Then explain why Green Beret teams go in on their own search efforts,very secret,not disclosing anything they saw or found. they ain't there just for R&R.Somebody has to cut orders for them to be there.

Funny,too,is how it is only one person events. Never 2 people,or a group go missing. Always only one. Not counting Dyatlov Pass...
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I would imagine by now,the Park Service would have installed cameras on all entrances and exits. The tech is dirt cheap. Wireless.
The thing is,there's been people go missing who were very woodlore savvy,who knew their shit,and their limitations. Hell,one was a senior Park Service ranger. Others were guides.
Then explain why Green Beret teams go in on their own search efforts,very secret,not disclosing anything they saw or found. they ain't there just for R&R.Somebody has to cut orders for them to be there.

Funny,too,is how it is only one person events. Never 2 people,or a group go missing. Always only one. Not counting Dyatlov Pass...
One person, ANY one person, alone in the woods can be taken down, if that is the goal.
And most likely never found.
Two or more people, trained or otherwise, makes taking them down that much harder, more people missing them, more chance of not being successful, if the aim is to rack up a body count.

Can't speak to your question on SF, but can on LRRP's.
LRRP's were trained to operate a long way from any support in hostile areas, and being a long way from support, were heavily trained to not be noticed by anyone when working.
If ya got a lost LRRP, best folks to locate him, would be other LRRP's, they know how he was trained, what he is likely to do or where he would go, are damn find trackers, and are trained to work as a team.

I would expect the same thing concerning SF to be true.

And taking a wild as swing here, if one of the "boys" were to go rogue, sending in police, park police, search and rescue, etc, would be a very, very bad and highly dangerous way to resolve the issue, on their part.

Is that what you were thinking about the SF comment/question?
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yanno - do not overthink going missing. happens pretty regular in the 4 corners area & national forests. i rarely go to parks because of fees, tourists, & park service assholes. wilderness areas & forests are vast & virtualy no cops. big area + big dummy = desd mofo. the ravens, coyotes, dogs & such will scatter a persons body pretty quick. mrs merrill is still missing at grand canyon. stanley vigil still missing too.
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yanno - do not overthink going missing. happens pretty regular in the 4 corners area & national forests. i rarely go to parks because of fees, tourists, & park service assholes. wilderness areas & forests are vast & virtualy no cops. big area + big dummy = desd mofo. the ravens, coyotes, dogs & such will scatter a persons body pretty quick. mrs merrill is still missing at grand canyon. stanley vigil still missing too.
Yepper and here as well.
Big ass desert and little tiny people and if they ain't moving around, damn hard to see them even up close.
Down here, in summer, less than three days.
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A good friend of mine and a seasoned hunter/outdoorsman decided to take a hike along the Appalachian Trail to a good little fishing hole about 5 miles from his parked vehicle. 3 days later a couple of other hikers came across him sitting against a tree like he was asleep. Coroner said it a massive heart attack. This guy was in his late 30's and exercised every day. Plus he ate healthy and was not over weight. Family said he was never diagnosed as a candidate for heart failure.

Just goes to show you, no matter how prepared you are, $#!+ can go south in a minute and others are left to pick up the pieces.
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