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Old November 29, 2017, 11:05   #1
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Chinese 7.62X51--Any Experience? UPdate w/Photos

Have an opportunity to buy some "Chinese 7.62X51 made for Jordan" at a nickel a round. Still waiting on other details, that is all I know.
Anyone heard of this and have any idea on quality?
This is part of an estate, likely been sitting in storage for awhile.

Update: We have Chinese and some Arabic stuff. Need ID on the Arabic.
Here is the Arabic (bullet does not attract a magnet):

IMG_20171201_200907275


IMG_20171201_200820555_HDR

IMG_20171201_200754927_HDR

IMG_20171201_200735470_HDR

IMG_20171201_200710388_HDR

Egyptian?

And this is the Chinese (bullet attracts a magnet-very strong pull):

IMG_20171201_200339195

IMG_20171201_200552644

The Chinese is in span cans, two cans in a case, something like 1050 rounds in each case.

So there is about 2k of the Chinese and about 1k of the Arabic. I told them I would take it all. Hopefully the Arabic stuff is not the bad Syrian but if it is I will pull it down. These samples are all I have at this time.
So---what do I have?
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Old November 29, 2017, 11:17   #2
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Shot tons of the copper washed Chinese stuff back in the 80's.
Pretty accurate and we used to get it for $70. per K in wooden crates.
Don't know about Jordan, but I would think it would be worth the price.

Ammo was labeled Norinco and China Sport both. Came in 20 rnd boxes with styrofoam case holder.

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Old November 29, 2017, 13:30   #3
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I have about 500 rds left of the copper washed. Shot fine, had no issues.
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Old November 29, 2017, 13:33   #4
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Thank you sir, that's a positive accounting! I'm hoping for decent quality.
The only other thing that has been shared was white boxes with possible Arabic writing. Keeping my fingers crossed for now. Hope to know more soon.
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For sure Chinese?...could well be Syrian 7.62x51 if in white label 15rd boxes.

Story on Syrian is: Corrosive primed and often cartridge cases out of spec with shoulders to far forward to chamber.

If Chinese for sure primers, may also be Corrosive.
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Buy it. No matter what, you would have cheap components.
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Old November 29, 2017, 19:17   #7
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I remember buying tons of the copper washed 7.62x39 back in the 80s for cheap. I don't recall seeing any Chinese 7.62x51 ammo. I guess it was sold to fit in the Chinese M14 clones that were being sold back then.
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I remember buying tons of the copper washed 7.62x39 back in the 80s for cheap. I don't recall seeing any Chinese 7.62x51 ammo. I guess it was sold to fit in the Chinese M14 clones that were being sold back then.
They made it for export to Commie insurgents worldwide when 7.62x51 weapons became common. Some packed on clips & Bandoliers, some in bulk paper packs inside spam cans and also commercial Norinco paper boxes.
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Had oodles of this stuff at one time. .05 to .07 per rnd depending on how many cases of 1K you bought at a time. 147 gr copper washed steel case, berdan primed non-corrosive. Shot better than most of the surplus that is around today.



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I shot a bunch of the copper washed Chinese 308 back in the day, but it wasent packed in commercial style boxes like that. Iirc it was on clips and paper wrapped or in small brown 20rd boxes.
It was also corrosive as hell and barely accurate enough to keep on paper at 200yds.

In fact up untill my most recent move, I kept a barrel off a polytech m14 I bought that was used with same said ammo and stored without cleaning. It was so crusty and badly pitted right through the chrome that light could barely be seen through it. Op rod, piston, everything but the reciever was junk, but I got it dirt cheap and it built into a fine rifle..
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Thanks all for the replies! I'm still waiting on more info. It might even be gone----whatever it is. Keeping my fingers crossed!
Thanks again for the excellent replies!
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Arabic stuff appears to be syrian if my google fu is strong. Anybody translate arabic?

Edit---Found a link to a similarly marked box--with translation!

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Arabic stuff appears to be syrian if my google fu is strong. Anybody translate arabic?

Edit---Found a link to a similarly marked box--with translation!

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Syrian, as I said above. Your link is 7,5 French, but your picture does show 7.62 Syrian label. Syrian may or may not chamber in your rifles, and may have duds/hangfires, but for sure worth 5cents for bullet & powder!
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Spam canned and not commercial packed Chinese I would treat as HIGHLY corrosive...
Personally, i wont deal with corrosive in much of anything and in a semi especially, so I would just salvage the bullets for reloading, but ymmv
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Spam canned and not commercial packed Chinese I would treat as HIGHLY corrosive...
Personally, i wont deal with corrosive in much of anything and in a semi especially, so I would just salvage the bullets for reloading, but ymmv
Yes, I laboratory tested much of the spam canned/paper wrap Chinese 7.62x51: Corrosive for sure!
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Syrian gave chambering issues in commercial guns (tight .308 chambers). Some MilSurp shooters had no issues...if you have an Ishpore 7.62 you are good to go. MGs and semis might shoot it, but you must clean VERY well for the Corrosive primer.

To correct the round you can pull the bullets / dump powder and resize in your FL die then reassemble, or get a cheap FL die and modify it TO NOT size the bullet/case neck area. Either cut the top of the die off at shoulder/case neck junction or get a drill of .350" or so and bore out the top of the die. With a thus modified die you can bump the shoulder back to spec on the loaded rounds.
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Syrian, as I said above. Your link is 7,5 French, but your picture does show 7.62 Syrian label. Syrian may or may not chamber in your rifles, and may have duds/hangfires, but for sure worth 5cents for bullet & powder!
The label similarities were enough for me to identify my sample. Agree on the component value.

I do have a case of Tula KV-7.62N non-corrosive Berdan primers and the ability to deprime/prime Berdan cases.
Are all the shoulders bad or just some of them? Do you think some of the cases could be salvageable with careful gauging?

Edit---opps----did not see your last response before I posted.
Edit----Yes I have an Ishapore 2A!
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Spam canned and not commercial packed Chinese I would treat as HIGHLY corrosive...
Personally, i wont deal with corrosive in much of anything and in a semi especially, so I would just salvage the bullets for reloading, but ymmv
Thanks yovinny!

If I am correct the syrian dates from 1959. Not sure about the chinese unless the 19 92 headstamp IS the date....
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The label similarities were enough for me to identify my sample. Agree on the component value.

I do have a case of Tula KV-7.62N non-corrosive Berdan primers and the ability to deprime/prime Berdan cases.
Are all the shoulders bad or just some of them? Do you think some of the cases could be salvageable with careful gauging?

Edit---opps----did not see your last response before I posted.
Edit----Yes I have an Ishapore 2A!
A drop in ctg gauge may be handy to judge the good from the bad Syrian or use the 2A for that. Cases will reload with the .217" Berdan primer if you can get out the original one...I never tried this on a Syrian case.
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Thanks yovinny!

If I am correct the syrian dates from 1959. Not sure about the chinese unless the 19 92 headstamp IS the date....
Yes, 59 on the Syrian and 1992 for the Chinese factory #61

The Yugoslavs (PPU) set up the Syrian facility and often their ammo has some Yugo components.
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The chin ammo may be used in a bolt gun but not fals.


DO NOT USE THE STEEL CASED AMMO IN YOUR FAL.
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DO NOT USE THE STEEL CASED AMMO IN YOUR FAL.
Russian Steel case has issues in FALs....does the Chinese have reported issues or guilty by association (also steel cased)?

I see DSA includes Chinese Steel case as a no - no.
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I've run thousands of rounds of Chinese steel through FALs with zero issues. Don't run Tula steel...


I've also shot thousands of rounds of that Syrian 308 in all types of guns. I've had cases that were all duds and pulled them down for components.

Of the cases that were duds, they were ALL duds in that case. Of the cases that work, the ALL fired with no duds or hangfires.

The Syrian is a little out of spec, but it will fire in my SCAR and all other miltype rifles. Just clean them afterwards.
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I've had a case get stuck in my DSA fal.

And just won't use it anymore.

From what I've read it's bad news beyond my own experiences with it.

Any steel case in a fal is dangerous IMO not just tula.

Steel is steel.


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I see DSA includes Chinese Steel case as a no - no.
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I've had a case get stuck in my DSA fal.

And just won't use it anymore.

From what I've read it's bad news beyond my own experiences with it.

Any steel case in a fal is dangerous IMO not just tula.

Steel is steel.
I just wondered if the design and mfg of the Chinese case is different/safe.

After all DSA has "do not use" warnings about 5 or 6 mfg of brass cased ammo....so brass is brass right?
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From memory it's about the steel cases lack of ability to expand in the chamber unlike brass cases.

I'm sure others that actually shoot their rifles could better explain it I haven't opened my rifle safe in 3 years.



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I just wondered if the design and mfg of the Chinese case is different/safe.

After all DSA has "do not use" warnings about 5 or 6 mfg of brass cased ammo....so brass is brass right?
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Yes, 59 on the Syrian and 1992 for the Chinese factory #61

The Yugoslavs (PPU) set up the Syrian facility and often their ammo has some Yugo components.
Thank you for the confirmation on the dates!

So that's why the Syrian bullets do not attract a magnet then. I buy Yugo/PPU stuff when I can, surplus and new manufacture to shoot at the local range here that does not allow any steel.
Copper and lead only at that place.

The Chinese on the other hand has some serious steel in the bullet. I wonder if it's steel cored or all in the jacket. May have to cut one to see.
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From memory it's about the steel cases lack of ability to expand in the chamber unlike brass cases.

I'm sure others that actually shoot their rifles could better explain it I haven't opened my rifle safe in 3 years.
If you google "FAL kaboom" it seems they have issues frequently with all kinds of ammo both brass and steel. I may leave mine in the safe as well!
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If you google "FAL kaboom" it seems they have issues frequently with all kinds of ammo both brass and steel. I may leave mine in the safe as well!
If you saw some of the 'home-builds' that I have, you'd probably have a better understanding of why...

Just sayin'...

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I donated 10 cases of Chinese 1992 to the range. I all got used up and no one was hurt.
I shot probably 5k of my own through different FALs and M14s without any trouble.
I think if a rifle is in good shape and the chamber has been cleaned regularly, the Chinese stuff is pretty darn good. Don't know a thing about the arab stuff.
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I donated 10 cases of Chinese 1992 to the range. I all got used up and no one was hurt.
I shot probably 5k of my own through different FALs and M14s without any trouble.
I think if a rifle is in good shape and the chamber has been cleaned regularly, the Chinese stuff is pretty darn good. Don't know a thing about the arab stuff.
Art, what factory code is on that 92' dated ammo you have ?
Is it the same '19' as on the op's pic ?

Im just wondering why there seems such a vast difference in our experiences between the commercial packed and the spam canned versions of this same 7.62 ammo...
Is it a date thing, or maybe it came from different factories..?

Ammolab, you have any more info on this ?
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RGR 19. I alway thought it was for 1992. Never even thought about a factory code. Dilbert strikes again.
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LMAO,,Not so quick bro,,,you may well be right...
Im just assuming it a factory code..

Maybe ammolab will chime in and add some light...
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There are sure a bunch of Chinese factories listed in my headstamp guide, but nothing for 19. That's why I just figured it was part of the year.
Maybe it was supposed to be 11 for Mudanjang which was part of Norinco group and the stamp was just goofy.
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LMAO,,Not so quick bro,,,you may well be right...
Im just assuming it a factory code..

Maybe ammolab will chime in and add some light...
See post # 20 above.
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See post # 20 above.
Roger that,,,Chinese factory 61....
Strange its the Identical HS to what Art had as good, commercial, non corrosive ammo...
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Personally, i wont deal with corrosive in much of anything and in a semi especially, so I would just salvage the bullets for reloading, but ymmv
I have a gazillion rounds of steel core corrosive primed steel case 7.62×39 stockpiled and will stay stockpiled until the zombie hoards appear. In proper rifle corrosive is no big deal if clean it well after shooting. Treat rifle like an old black powder smoke pole and it won't be damaged shooting corrosive unless you have to lay in a ditch running mag dumps for a week. I would not shoot any steel in an FAL or semiauto personally and my bolt guns are too nice to run ammo that is corrosive primed with steel jacketed bullets down bore. Would still buy it if super cheap and add to the pile of "beats no ammo" when all the good stuff runs dry.
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Roger that,,,Chinese factory 61....
Strange its the Identical HS to what Art had as good, commercial, non corrosive ammo...
Makes you wonder if the Chinese packed their corrosive for sale as non-corrosive doesn't it? With them I can see it happening.
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Makes you wonder if the Chinese packed their corrosive for sale as non-corrosive doesn't it? With them I can see it happening.
Maybe they made all the cases at one time and loaded/primed them as contract stipulated. I tested spam cans (corrosive) and commercial China Sports/Norinco (noncorrosive) all with the 61/92 headstamp.

If they always got it right on the noncorrosive label stuff?...they are one up on the Russian plants!
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I have a gazillion rounds of steel core corrosive primed steel case 7.62×39 stockpiled and will stay stockpiled until the zombie hoards appear. In proper rifle corrosive is no big deal if clean it well after shooting. Treat rifle like an old black powder smoke pole and it won't be damaged shooting corrosive unless you have to lay in a ditch running mag dumps for a week. I would not shoot any steel in an FAL or semiauto personally and my bolt guns are too nice to run ammo that is corrosive primed with steel jacketed bullets down bore. Would still buy it if super cheap and add to the pile of "beats no ammo" when all the good stuff runs dry.
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I've run thousands of rounds of Chinese steel through FALs with zero issues. Don't run Tula steel...


I've also shot thousands of rounds of that Syrian 308 in all types of guns. I've had cases that were all duds and pulled them down for components.

Of the cases that were duds, they were ALL duds in that case. Of the cases that work, the ALL fired with no duds or hangfires.

The Syrian is a little out of spec, but it will fire in my SCAR and all other miltype rifles. Just clean them afterwards.
Thanks for posting that. Good info. Just between you and Art a significant amount of Chinese steel has been tested ok. And then there is more positive testimonial. I'd be pretty happy if mine turns out similar at a nickle per round.
Bonus if the Syrian works.
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Old December 05, 2017, 23:03   #42
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[QUOTE=hueyville;4509215]I have a gazillion rounds of steel core corrosive primed steel case 7.62×39 stockpiled and will stay stockpiled until the zombie hoards appear. In proper rifle corrosive is no big deal if clean it well after shooting. Treat rifle like an old black powder smoke pole and it won't be damaged shooting corrosive unless you have to lay in a ditch running mag dumps for a week. I would not shoot any steel in an FAL or semiauto personally and my bolt guns are too nice to run ammo that is corrosive primed with steel jacketed bullets down bore. Would still buy it if super cheap and add to the pile of "beats no ammo" when all the good stuff runs dry.[/QUOTE

Zombie ammo! Yes, agree. Nickle a round qualifies as super cheap I think.
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. I would not shoot any steel in an FAL or semiauto personally and my bolt guns are too nice to run ammo that is corrosive primed with steel jacketed bullets down bore. Would still buy it if super cheap and add to the pile of "beats no ammo" when all the good stuff runs dry.
Lets see, no steel for huey's semi-autos and none of the shitty Norma (and similar commercial) hunting ammo with mild steel jackets and no corrosive ammo down the bores of his bolt guns (presumably because bolt guns are shot so much more than semis that the bore is worn out faster and that bolt guns are so much more difficult than semis to clean well when shooting corrosive?).

Just trying to keep it all straight...

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Maybe they made all the cases at one time and loaded/primed them as contract stipulated. I tested spam cans (corrosive) and commercial China Sports/Norinco (noncorrosive) all with the 61/92 headstamp.

If they always got it right on the noncorrosive label stuff?...they are one up on the Russian plants!
Feeding the cases to 2 different production and packing lines would be pretty strait forward...Eliminating the human error is the quagmire....

IMI & TZZ were different production lines out of the same plant...at least according to hanson ammo reps back in the day...

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Well the deal came thru finally, picked it up today. Thought I would post some photos.

Ended up with 2800+ Chinese and 1000+ Syrian. $00.05 per round.

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Here is the Chinese. Of note-the wood crates say "Non Corrosive". Tins of 520. Two to a crate. One open tin with 120 or so loose in it.

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And the Syrian. Some of the loose rounds on top have badly bent shoulders. Checking thru some of the boxes I did not find any more like that so these few were damaged by handling somehow. I think this was bought from C.A.I back in the day.

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All of this has been stored in dry climate controlled indoor location since it was bought by the estate that I purchased it from.
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Great deal! Even if the Chinese is corrosive as I suspect...it is very good shooting ammo.

And let us know if the Syrian chambers and shoots.
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Excellent find.
That is even cheaper than we could find the Chinese in the early 90's .

60 - 70 per K was about the best even in volume of 10 cases or more.
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Shot tons of the copper washed Chinese stuff back in the 80's.
Pretty accurate and we used to get it for $70. per K in wooden crates.
Same same. Never a problem. And why I'm not opposed to steel case in FAL, in general, and think the issues are Tula brand, and not steel case.
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WOW,,,lead core noncorrosive chinese in spam cans ?? Thats a first for me.
Congrats on a major score...
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