NfaDealr forest fires

[BiGB808]

Not sure if he is still on these boards but god speed to ya . My inlaws bueatiful property of 11p acres looks like its hours away from being incinerated.

Thought Nfa was somewhere around Paradise. 6,500 homes burnt in under 48 hours.

Brutal- best wishes up there.

Reminds me, i saw a guy in a brand new big Toyota truck, no state license plate. He had some sort of " free traveler/Sovereign Citezen- not for commercial use plates on. Made me think of you : )

[J. Armstrong]

NFADLR got the ban hammer, still hope he and his people are okay.

[BiGB808]

Ahh, couldn't remember but thought there was something. His area is all toast, very sad.

[Seaweed]

I too hope he survives the fire intact.

From my sister in Chico:

Update- Paradise mayor said a hardware store, Starbuck's, part of the hi school, part of the police dept, & 1 or 2 fire stations, & some other buildings still standing.

Said death toll stood last nite at 23.

I can't imagine that. I was in Paradise a month ago.

[ExCdnSoldierInTx]

Talked to a good friend of mine in Paradise last Thursday. For the last 20 years he's been looking for a way to justify moving his business to Colorado or Texas.

On Friday, him and his wife had exactly 10 minutes notice to pile into his SUV with their dogs, a bugout bag, a strongbox, a few firearms, and get out of town.
Embers started falling on his roof, and within 10 minutes they were gone. 20 minutes later, their house was charred rubble.
No warning, nothing, just bang, there it was.

He's one of the lucky ones. He's fully insured and has plenty of family and friends. Many in Paradise are the same way. Older and semi affluent, so hopefully they have their crap together.

[Bawana jim]

Was reading this morning there was 31 dead and 25 billion in loses.

[Riversidesports]

Originally Posted by ExCdnSoldierInTx

Talked to a good friend of mine in Paradise last Thursday. For the last 20 years he's been looking for a way to justify moving his business to Colorado or Texas.

On Friday, him and his wife had exactly 10 minutes notice to pile into his SUV with their dogs, a bugout bag, a strongbox, a few firearms, and get out of town.
Embers started falling on his roof, and within 10 minutes they were gone. 20 minutes later, their house was charred rubble.
No warning, nothing, just bang, there it was.

He's one of the lucky ones. He's fully insured and has plenty of family and friends. Many in Paradise are the same way. Older and semi affluent, so hopefully they have their crap together.

Same here CDN
Friend and his wife had to flee the fires
House is gone, vintage motorcycle collection, Jag XKE roadster all slag.
Guy I went to school with, he used to give me grief for staying in MN
Not so much now.

I have to admit though I have misgivings dishing out much sympathy to some disaster "victims"
One of his buddies has lost three homes over the years out there
First one to a massive mudslide, the other two to fire.
Guy was well insured so he just rebuilt. Like a bit over 15 years later brush fire burns down the new home the other day.
Guy intends on rebuilding again.

This not much different than retards who build on beach front in Hurricane alley
Every few years the place gets toasted and they rebuild. again and again.
Sorry, I have no shits given about your "loss"
if you choose to live on the side of an active Volcano and you end up under a lava flow I have zero sympathy.
people should know better

Of course bad shit can happen most anywhere but it's general frequency of events
Back in the late 90s Grand Forks ND had their infamous Century Flood
as a consequence a number of riverside neighborhoods were razed and turned into flood plain, nobody ever gets to build there again

In the early 1900s much of northern MN was burned flat in a series of massive forest fires. 100s of lives lost.
In 1910 my local community was burned flat
Couldn't happen today though, the nearby forests are mostly gone.

Funny stories regarding that fire:
Back during the peak of it all the local loggers in Spooner formed a bucket brigade to save the two most important buildings they had
The old number 1 bar and the town whore house.

They let their homes burn, the mills, churches, etc
A Man has to have his Priorities ya' know.

[juanni]

If you are going to build a house in in the tinder dry woods/brush, wood and beaverboard ain't the material of choice.




................juanni

[juanni]

Originally Posted by J. Armstrong

NFADLR got the ban hammer, still hope he and his people are okay.

What was that over?



.............juanni

[medicmike]

Originally Posted by juanni

What was that over?



.............juanni

A comment on the disposal if immigrant children.

[Riversidesports]

Originally Posted by juanni

If you are going to build a house in in the tinder dry woods/brush, wood and beaverboard ain't the material of choice.




................juanni

Ain't that the truth

Stone or concrete with tiled roofing is the order of the day in fire zones
you also remove scenic scrub well away from the home.

and yeah, pretty sure he was hammered after calling for drowning illegal children in the sea. There was quite a sea of member pushback over the comment.

[RG Coburn]

Watch the video. Some shit right there..

https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/alterna...8/3646265.html

[ExCdnSoldierInTx]

Isn't there some kind of a ban in Cali on clearing underbrush and deadfall?

Hewas bitching on and on about it a few years back, saying how you can't cut back from your home clear underbrush or take even basic fire precautions because the enviros go stupid insane and the State comes down on you like a bag of slag.
He was seriously prophetic. He had a priceless collection of vintage guitars, a mid 30's Indian 4, and a Hudson Terraplane 8, and as far as I know, it's all gone, every last bit of it.

But your 'stuff' is just 'stuff' and it's all just 'stuff' and can eventually be replaced. Human life can't. I'm glad he's OK.

[ExCdnSoldierInTx]

RSS, Grand Forks had their flood. The Red River's been flooding for hundreds, if not thousands of years up there. Fargo/Moorehead - Grand Forks - Winnipeg, every five or six years it was like clockwork.

Winnipeg got it worse because they have the fork in the river where the Assiniboine River hits the Red. After several historic floods, they got smart and built a floodway around the city 40 years ago.
Fargo and Grand Forks didn't bother. So they continue to flood. They might want to think about following the lead and doing something similar. Winnipeg still floods, but not at 50 ft like it did before.

[V guy]

Living in California, among all that dry brush and tinder, is like living in a Tank Farm............. and allowing camp fires/smoking.

Northern California, and Southern California are burning at the same time.
Sonoma wine country burned last year, and it can burn again.

Hell, in Malibu, the fire burned down to the sea, to the waters edge.

I guess 7000 homes have burned so far, and more will burn. If there is a central fire that gets going, it would appear to be more than a coincidence.


Firebugs love fire, and California is the place to be.

California on fire, from space should be a sight.

[Sagerider]

My best buddy lives on Lake Oroville. He and his wife own two beautiful homes on top of a small mountain. He bought the second home because it is next to him and he wanted to control who lived next to him, can’t blame him. They are under orders to evacuate. The southern edge of the Camp fire is headed right toward them. He was planning on retiring next year, maybe now not.
These two have worked very hard to have their home away from the crowd down below.
For years he has been very active with fire suppression around their home spending a great deal of money doing so. The entire area is tender dry having no rain in months. Careless people throw burning cigarette butts out of their car windows and he was lucky he found one starting to burn the Forrest litter after two bimbos came down their private road. I have visited them several times and I can attest to the bone dry conditions. He was lucky that he walked his dogs after they left and found the burning material before it spread. Hard to believe people can be so careless but they are.
The whole damn state is populated by people who just don’t give a damn about anything or anybody.

[Wil-C]

a big part of the problem is what Trump identified, the horrible forest management.
Things there are so badly overgrown there was no other possibility other than these monster crown fires.
I lived by the los padres national forest and I shuddered inside when I saw the condition of the forest. I remember looking at it and thinking "if / when this goes, they won't be able to stop it, it'll burn till there's nothing left"
It was just so badly overgrown and they would not clear or thin out anything, just let it grow & grow till the fuel load was just scary to look at.
That was almost 20 years ago, so there's an additional 20 years worth of growth now and the results are self-evident.

[wanneroo]

Fire is a necessity out there for the forest to regenerate and it's a self cleaning mechanism. Humans have interfered with that process and that's why we have what we have going on.

[Jaxxas]

Originally Posted by Wil-C

a big part of the problem is what Trump identified, the horrible forest management.
Things there are so badly overgrown there was no other possibility other than these monster crown fires.
I lived by the los padres national forest and I shuddered inside when I saw the condition of the forest. I remember looking at it and thinking "if / when this goes, they won't be able to stop it, it'll burn till there's nothing left"
It was just so badly overgrown and they would not clear or thin out anything, just let it grow & grow till the fuel load was just scary to look at.
That was almost 20 years ago, so there's an additional 20 years worth of growth now and the results are self-evident.

AFAIK national implies federal not state, Trump better get busy fixing this problem.

ymmv

[Bawana jim]

I believe that the big change in forest management came in the 1980s with the spotted owl. They used the bird to fug everyone in the timber industry in the west. We went from managed forest to what we have now, a natural forest. Peoples lives were totally destroyed when they used the bird to change things and now they would rather burn down entire towns and kill people that take away the natural forestry.

It's the liberal way, all natural. Just like open borders is all natural and we shouldn't control them.

[V guy]

I saw burned out trailer homes among the rubble, so there are poor people feeling natures wrath too.

Neil Young's home burned to the ground, likely with his extensive car collection, or maybe he lost that, the first time he was burned out a while back.


Anybody find a map, or high altitude photos showing the extent of the fires?



I also heard some talking head, talking about the Gov't funding the non insured, and under insured who were burned out, and giving them back "free homes".
We don't do that, same as with uninsured flood victims........"on yer own".

FEMA provides some loans or Lends some money, but it has strings. Otherwise, why would any of us buy home owners ins, if the rabble get it all for free?

California is California, and nothing is going to change there, except via the San Andreas, and a Tsunami; oh yeah, and maybe a volcano eruption or two and they have volcanos too.

Outskirts of Los Angeles were burning. Did Pelosi get out?

[Wil-C]

Originally Posted by Jaxxas

AFAIK national implies federal not state, Trump better get busy fixing this problem.

ymmv

I'm not sure of this but I think it was a custodial arrangement. Federal funds were given to the state who handled the actual management.
I could be wrong on that but I think that's a thumbnail of how it worked.

It was so bad the rangers wouldn't let us cut dead & standing trees, only dead & down trees were allowed to be cut for firewood.

And that had a secondary effect, bark beetles were killing the trees and since we couldnt cut the dead or dying standing trees. It helped perpetuate the spread of the beetles, hence more trees dying from the damn things.

More fuel load for 'when'

I'd rigged up some fire protection on my home there but finally sold my place up there and moved away, the danger was just too great even 20 years ago. 10 years ago I think it was the 'day fire' which went through there, if I remember right that fire burned for almost a month, literally unstoppable.
I suspect the home I had up there was likely a pile of ash but I've never bothered to check into it.

It is the same thing we see now yet worse given the forestry practises which have been in place for so long.

And the worst part is, the little creatures get the worst of it. They are the most vulnerable and pay the heaviest price for the complacency of their owners....they die badly, that is all I will say.

[Texgunner]

[Trypcil]

On Saturday, November 10, 2018, NFADLR wrote:
No...

"I'm in my truck trying to sleep at a Walmart.

Town is ashes...

Don't have regular net now as towers are gone.

I need a go fund me....

Only need 500K to be able to move!!

Pray for me and wife and kid...

Something tells me this is the worst one ever.

B"


and -

"........Tell WEG I'm sorry I was just stressed way past what i could take, and half drunk I feel like a kite that has had its string cut.

I'm scared. ..

Bob"

Paradise Lost - totally! Very sad and it looks like PG&E were responsible for the 'Camp fire' - though that doesn't help Bob, as of yet. Quite what the insurance companies, or California will do, if anything, is wild speculation. Bob is a good man what ever he says and writes - we are only Human. Peace.

[medicmike]

Good to hear he is safe at least.

[otis61]

Originally Posted by Bawana jim

I believe that the big change in forest management came in the 1980s with the spotted owl. They used the bird to fug everyone in the timber industry in the west. We went from managed forest to what we have now, a natural forest. Peoples lives were totally destroyed when they used the bird to change things and now they would rather burn down entire towns and kill people that take away the natural forestry.

It's the liberal way, all natural. Just like open borders is all natural and we shouldn't control them.

^^^^THIS^^^^

[Bawana jim]

Originally Posted by Trypcil

On Saturday, November 10, 2018, NFADLR wrote:
No...

"I'm in my truck trying to sleep at a Walmart.

Town is ashes...

Don't have regular net now as towers are gone.

I need a go fund me....

Only need 500K to be able to move!!

Pray for me and wife and kid...

Something tells me this is the worst one ever.

B"


and -

"........Tell WEG I'm sorry I was just stressed way past what i could take, and half drunk I feel like a kite that has had its string cut.

I'm scared. ..

Bob"

Paradise Lost - totally! Very sad and it looks like PG&E were responsible for the 'Camp fire' - though that doesn't help Bob, as of yet. Quite what the insurance companies, or California will do, if anything, is wild speculation. Bob is a good man what ever he says and writes - we are only Human. Peace.

Any way to reach him?

[Trypcil]

BJ check your PM's

[Bawana jim]

Originally Posted by Trypcil

BJ check your PM's

Thanks, I sent him email to check on his status.

[C-ya]

Glad to hear he is OK. Hope his family is as well. He and I chatted a bit back and forth via PMs about our children and their common malady.

[KoKodog]

Originally Posted by V guy

I saw burned out trailer homes among the rubble, so there are poor people feeling natures wrath too.

Neil Young's home burned to the ground, likely with his extensive car collection, or maybe he lost that, the first time he was burned out a while back.


Anybody find a map, or high altitude photos showing the extent of the fires?



I also heard some talking head, talking about the Gov't funding the non insured, and under insured who were burned out, and giving them back "free homes".
We don't do that, same as with uninsured flood victims........"on yer own".

FEMA provides some loans or Lends some money, but it has strings. Otherwise, why would any of us buy home owners ins, if the rabble get it all for free?

California is California, and nothing is going to change there, except via the San Andreas, and a Tsunami; oh yeah, and maybe a volcano eruption or two and they have volcanos too.

Outskirts of Los Angeles were burning. Did Pelosi get out?

heres what I found from NASA, most of us here can look at the pics and understand just how bad these fires are, but low info voters would be hard pressed to fully grasp the concept

if you have serious .gov clearance you can probably walk into a secure room to view the real high res pics, the lower 48 is photographed in super high resolution every 360 seconds (6 minutes)

https://disasters.nasa.gov/fires

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/c...-space-station

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/camp-fi...-in-california

[KoKodog]

Chaparral is the base of the fire problem, but there are many other types of scrub/underbrush that are left to grow out of control

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral

my cousin had told me of the plant manager at Prescott AZ, he speaks with at least once a week, he and his brother bred several herds of goats to eat extremely rough that they rent/lease for brush control, they always have them rented out and have a backlog of people and municipalities that want them, always in heavy demand

If I had to deal with brush fire threats on at least a yearly level like the people in Kali, I would have a small herd of goats that I would let cut everything right down to within a inch of the ground

[KoKodog]

Juan Brown has several good videos on the fires and on controlled burns to clear underbrush

'Camp' fire UPDATE Day 3 10 Nov -The likely cause. 100,000 acres
https://youtu.be/IC1OCwlA2xU

'Camp' Fire UPDATE Day 4 -11 Nov '18 113,000 Acres, 29 confirmed fatalities
https://youtu.be/L2nWuZ8J0Go

'Camp' Fire UPDATE Day 2 Butte Co. Ca. 90,000 Acre Wildfire Paradise, Ca.
https://youtu.be/4b0j-V_bE_Q

'Camp' Fire UPDATE 8 Nov 8pm pst 18,000 acre Northern California Wildfire
https://youtu.be/43U0UWmiiL4

Prescribed Burn Sierra County, California
https://youtu.be/4uBuFajX3SA

[KoKodog]

another NASA pic

[KoKodog]

google maps to show fire position, damn that cut down everything

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Or...!4d-121.556359

[juanni]

Originally Posted by KoKodog

another NASA pic

That picture tells the story. What burned is the brown, dry grass and scrub brush which has no harvest value and started on private property. The only way to 'manage' it is to burn it off and hope it doesn't get out of control.

Next instead of the homes being a non combustible firebreak, they are wood framed tinderboxes. Once one caught fire it fueled the next.

The area's long history with wildfires.
The irony is that Paradise was one of the few Sierra slope towns built in a tinderbox that tried to change its fate.

Fire history maps dating to 1911 show much of the hills of Butte County east of Highway 99 has burned, at one point or another. Including the current fire, an analysis of historic fire maps shows nearly 46% of the land mass in that area charred by at least one fire. In 1961, Butte was caught in a wind-driven “holocaust” of nearly 100 fires stretching from the bluffs to the Bay Area. The roster of other massive fires include ones in 1927, 1943, 1951, 1964, 1990, 1999 and 2000.

Until this year, Paradise was remarkable because wildfire hadn’t crossed city limits.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...113-story.html
^ Not sure how you can blame 100 years of fires on an owl.

.................juanni

[Bawana jim]

Blaming it on the democrat's that used the owl as an excuse to change the way forest are run.

[slavicshooter]

"Bob is safe"~Trypcil

Thank God.~ss

[martin35]

When I was in the Marines in training we went to the Mountains for cold weather training and get rocks thrown down at us to make us smarter,,, most of those areas had pre-planned fire breaks that were maintained at some exspence. Some areas of Camp Pendelton were ploughed as fire breaks and to make marching more difficult,
If the tree hugger's don't get you the fire bug's will,,, you can't have one without the other.

[Seaweed]

Paradise was largely of mature conifers and buildings. Something tells me that when they rebuild things will be different.

a friend of mine caught hell from his neighbors when he cleared trees from around his house in the Redding area. It ended up being one of the very few houses left standing in his neighborhood after that fire.

[KoKodog]

747 Global Supertanker 'Camp' fire Day 6 UPDATE McClellan Load and Return

https://youtu.be/mW0XQI525UE



'Camp' Fire UPDATE Nov. 17 2018

[Bawana jim]

Talked to Bob some via email and he asked me to contact WEG with an apology which I have done.

[Bawana jim]

"This fire is huge it totally wiped out where I live just ashes 95 percent of town is just ash.

I've been thru fires before with fire fighting in my family, but this is just wow.

I just need to leave this state and not look back.

Somewhat stressful period in my and my families lives."

B

[J. Armstrong]

I respect someone who can acknowledge and apologize for a lapse of good judgement. Hope he and his family as well as the rest of the affected can pick themselves up and rebuild their homes and lives.

[KoKodog]

2 more updated videos

all I can say is DAMN !

[juanni]

Good article from Cliff May laying out the reasons for the Camp Fire.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...nias-camp-fire

No not climate change.
No not because logging is banned (the area had been logged).
No not because of enviro wackos.

The Camp Fire areas is NOT noted for tree death and besides, most of the fire was on chaparral vegetation. Below is a satellite photo showing the boundaries of Paradise (brown line), with the fire starting near Pulga (on the NE side of the image). The fire spread over a region that had been logged, previously burned, and was then mainly grass and small shrubs.


As I will discuss in a future blog, the Paradise area was a ticking time bomb. There was a huge influx of population into a wildland area, which had burned many times in the past. Previously logging and fires had left a conduit of highly flammable grass and bushes, through which fire could move rapidly. Flammable, non-native invasive grasses had spread through the region. Homes were not built to withstand fire and roadways were inadequate for evacuation. Powerlines started the fires and were not de-energized even though strong winds were skillfully forecast. Warnings to the population were inadequate. The list is long. And global warming should not be on the list if we are to focus on the real problems.




.................juanni