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Old December 16, 2017, 11:40   #1
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I'm about done with local gun shows

I am already attending only in winter or on crappy rainy Saturdays anyway.
After today, I may be done altogether.

NIB plastic pistols priced $20 over LGS retail = CHECK!
ARs at 2013 Sandy Hook madness pricing = CHECK!
Beat up Pythons for $2,600 and up = CHECK!
Swords, knifes, and tomahawks = CHECK!
Bumper sticker and T-shirts = CHECK!
Miscellaneous sized ammo cans = CHECK!
Reloaded ammo higher than internet ordered NEW delivered to house price = CHECK!
Various Mosins, sporterized Mausers, and Japanese military rifles starting at $400 = CHECK!
One Garand in the building at $1,500 = CHECK!
One FAL consisting of Brit lower, Imbel barrel, FMAP receiver for $1,500 = CHECK!
Beef jerky = CHECK!

I drove 40 minutes each way and paid $6 to go in and walk a 1/2 hour lap for this
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Old December 16, 2017, 11:48   #2
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The ones here are teh suck. No beer, FAL mags for $30, that the guy claimed were Austrian, nope they weren't. People carrying around rifles and muzzle sweeping everyone in the place. Only thing I've bought is ammo cans but did get a source for a gun safe.
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Old December 16, 2017, 12:05   #3
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Years ago gun shows were fun. Never knew what you would stumble upon. Their was always a chance for a good deal on something.

For quite a few years now the shows just sux.
The vendors have always been horse thieves, but now the vendors have little if any grip on reality. Better deals online and at the LGS.
And of course their are fewer and fewer vendors. They age out and are not replaced.
Things change.
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Old December 16, 2017, 12:32   #4
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The net has a lot to offer and maybe some of us old guys don't get it but I have yet to buy without direct face to face contact with a seller. The local website has classifieds to sell guns and it cost more to see one gun than to go to a gun show. Plus more often than not the gun is misrepresented and you see it right away at the meeting.

Gun shows here are mostly FFL dealers with a set margin of profit that starts out in the hole at $65 a table. Big dealers have ten tables plus help to run them so volume is the winner. The one table seller is usually an old guy selling his collection for one reason or another.

The big seller is fugged because falling prices now hurts him because his inventory cost more than what he can sell for. The latest greatest plastic wonder gun is getting cheaper all the time and they can't sell for a profit their inventory.

So ya the shows change but the worst change is none of them have anything I want, not at the shows and not on the net.
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Old December 16, 2017, 13:38   #5
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Ah, the good old days. Going to a gun show was an almost magical experience. You never knew what treasure you might find. I remember getting butterflies the closer to the show I got. I would meet up with a friend or two for breakfast and make a day of it. At some point there became too many people and not enough good stuff, so now it's you guys and Gunbroker. Now I'll go over to a friends house and we'll talk guns, drink beer and watch the UFC. The gun stores around here have gotten a lot better and every now and then there's a gem in the used gun rack. I enjoy the hobby now as much as I ever did. It's kinda nice being able to buy guns from the comfort of my computer chair.
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Old December 16, 2017, 13:40   #6
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I used to be a regular denizen of the gun shows in my area, but the Internet has changed all that. When I started hearing vendors justifying their pricing with references to eBay or Gunbroker I couldn't help think "if it worth that online why aren't you selling there"? The gunshows around me have all become politically correct, rarely do you see the hobbyist selling off items from their collection, now you need a State Tax ID, a vendors license, an FFL and proof your kids are vaccinated before you can rent a table. It's a shame.
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Old December 16, 2017, 14:10   #7
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There is a local show promoter that I know that only allows Guns, Knives, and related items.

No stun guns.

No beef jerky.

No t-shirts.

No camping gear.

No fishing tackle.

No archery.

No beanie babies.

No gold chain or jewelry.


Y'all ought to set up your own Gun Show.

It is so easy, that my Wife does it.

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Old December 17, 2017, 11:55   #8
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The ones here are teh suck. No beer, FAL mags for $30, that the guy claimed were Austrian, nope they weren't. People carrying around rifles and muzzle sweeping everyone in the place. Only thing I've bought is ammo cans but did get a source for a gun safe.
They still serve beer at a big gun show here in MA. They hope you forget how sucky the gun laws are and make you think you're getting a deal for a banged up, pieces parts 1903 for $1500.

But the golden days of gun shows has set for me. I used to love to go the Manchester NH Armory shows when we were awash in surplus parts and ammo in the mid 1990's. But you can still always find a table with a box of parts that the seller doesn't know or really care what somethings are worth, they just want it gone.
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Old December 17, 2017, 13:11   #9
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I had not attended any shows for a number of years, but int he past year my sone decided he wanted to buy his first pistol so we tried some of the local shows and it was extremely disappointing.

It seems the local gun shows have turned into places to buy jerky, knives, surplus military uniforms, food, etc... and once it a while you may get lucky to find someone that actually is selling a firearm... but even then it will be some type of AR, a plastic something... or an over priced something else...

All that said, we ended up buying from one of the established FFL Internet dealers and shipping to a local FFL.

It seems like the good days of the local gun shows are gone.

Just my angry rants on this topic, your mileage and experiences may vary...
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Old December 17, 2017, 15:23   #10
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I'm with you nog, gotta scratch below the surface of those gunshows to get at the gems. Worked the CWGCA Fond Du Lac show for many years and now doing the same in Alabama/Georgia.
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Old December 17, 2017, 16:12   #11
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I've owned two-or-more of every "tough-guy-toy" a fella could ever want.

I quit collecting tough-guy-toys when I realized that owning tough-guy-toys didn't necessarily make me a tough guy. I further realized I had so many of those things, that I didn't have time to use even half of them while I pretended to be a tough guy.

Not much point in keeping going to the tough guy show and buying shit I won't use.

I sold a bunch of that stuff and bought some cars and car parts. I'm not sure what its called. I just know the sound it makes when I push my foot down. If I break it, all the better gives me more things to actually do with it. Its as much fun putting it back together as it breaking it.

I'm amazed at how far the battery-powered wrenches have come. If you EVER turn wrenches on a car - especially if you do any work on suspension - you GOTTA get a Milwaukee M18 half-inch-drive gun. Oh. My. God.

The project doesn't have to be cool or fast - but it helps. Really just needs to keep my mind occupied with a foward objective. My mind turns to Jello when I walk into gun shows or gun stores these days.

I'm not buying any more of that stuff. I've still got 5x more than I can use.
I for damn sure aint gonna "collect" it for the sake of being conservator of it for somebody else. No disrespect for the special folks who live for that role of ownership. Not for me though. I'm the "keep your foot in it until it breaks" kind of guy.
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Old December 17, 2017, 19:09   #12
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I wish I could go, but I'm always working. I just like guns and looking at everything, and seeing if I can get a gurl to wave at me.
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Old December 17, 2017, 22:56   #13
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Man , I bought one of those 1/2 inch drive Milwaukee impact guns two years ago and it's 18volt power leaves my ingersol rand air gun deals in the dust !!!. With the 5.0 batteries it's the shiznit !!!. I can do all kinds of awesome with the Milwaukee fuel 1/4 inch drive impactors too with tap sockets and the right tap bits. DeWalt batteries just don't hold up in comparison to Milwaukee. Bosch even less so.
So much change so fast in wrenching.
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Old December 18, 2017, 09:51   #14
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I've owned two-or-more of every "tough-guy-toy" a fella could ever want.

I quit collecting tough-guy-toys when I realized that owning tough-guy-toys didn't necessarily make me a tough guy. I further realized I had so many of those things, that I didn't have time to use even half of them while I pretended to be a tough guy.

Not much point in keeping going to the tough guy show and buying shit I won't use.

I sold a bunch of that stuff and bought some cars and car parts. I'm not sure what its called. I just know the sound it makes when I push my foot down. If I break it, all the better gives me more things to actually do with it. Its as much fun putting it back together as it breaking it.

I'm amazed at how far the battery-powered wrenches have come. If you EVER turn wrenches on a car - especially if you do any work on suspension - you GOTTA get a Milwaukee M18 half-inch-drive gun. Oh. My. God.

The project doesn't have to be cool or fast - but it helps. Really just needs to keep my mind occupied with a foward objective. My mind turns to Jello when I walk into gun shows or gun stores these days.

I'm not buying any more of that stuff. I've still got 5x more than I can use.
I for damn sure aint gonna "collect" it for the sake of being conservator of it for somebody else. No disrespect for the special folks who live for that role of ownership. Not for me though. I'm the "keep your foot in it until it breaks" kind of guy.
I had a lull for a few years being single and then getting married. During the the lull bought the guns and ammo that I had always wanted. Now my tough guy toys are a tractor, implements and chainsaws. Pick up is next.

Down the road maybe would like to get an M14 just to see how accurate they are, but it's a can of worms as to what is an acceptable build that will hold it's value. I don't have the money to trade up and around anymore like when I was buying FALs. So looking around for one at a gun show would be a crap shoot.

I have pneumatic tools that I've held on to for 35 years and use once in awhile. Problem with battery stuff is eventually they get thrown out when the batteries die because the replacements cost as much as a new tool.
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Old December 16, 2017, 11:56   #15
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I am down to two local shows a year now. I used to hit them all if I could but the fire of want just isn't there anymore. When I do buy it's something I gave up in the past to get something new. However I passed up a little show 40 minutes away that I set up a table in for 20 years because it is no fun now. So packed you got no room to look at stuff and can't BS because the crowd pushes you along.

The gun club I am a life member of puts on two shows a year, I support the club by going and help friends at their tables so now it's all social.
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Old December 16, 2017, 12:03   #16
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Yep,

Older generation that hasnt figured out this inner web thing. Been said here before but gunshows now are for people that just want to show their guns, and maybe have a price tag on them. The internet is where guns actually get sold.

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I am already attending only in winter or on crappy rainy Saturdays anyway.
After today, I may be done altogether.

NIB plastic pistols priced $20 over LGS retail = CHECK!
ARs at 2013 Sandy Hook madness pricing = CHECK!
Beat up Pythons for $2,600 and up = CHECK!
Swords, knifes, and tomahawks = CHECK!
Bumper sticker and T-shirts = CHECK!
Miscellaneous sized ammo cans = CHECK!
Reloaded ammo higher than internet ordered NEW delivered to house price = CHECK!
Various Mosins, sporterized Mausers, and Japanese military rifles starting at $400 = CHECK!
One Garand in the building at $1,500 = CHECK!
One FAL consisting of Brit lower, Imbel barrel, FMAP receiver for $1,500 = CHECK!
Beef jerky = CHECK!

I drove 40 minutes each way and paid $6 to go in and walk a 1/2 hour lap for this
It'll be a drive but got to Tulsa in the spring. The Wanenmacher Show was the absolutely biggest display of firearms for sale that I've ever seen. And, no jerky, costume jewelry, Scentsy, or paintball. Just millions of dollars worth of actual firearms, ammunition, and accessories. Was well worth the day off work and hotel room for the trip.
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:12   #18
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Well,

SWOHFAL has it about right. A Nebraska FFL, now convicted felon, I know used to brag about how he loved shows in the mid west like Nebraska because alot of old Farmers had no idea of their guns value and he could screw them blind. ATF eventually caught up with his ass. Shitbird.

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I finished clearing out my storage area and have been down the basement sorting through a ton of of those 25gal tupperware containers. Gun parts, mags, web gear, scopes, uniforms, helmets...you name it.
You probably would have had better luck and a lot more fun at my place....
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We had an FFL here get busted for selling to a felon. When the BATFE showed up the FFL even helped them carry all the guns out to be confiscated. He appeared before the judge for a plea and the judge said the FFL was truly remorseful and noted he helped carry the guns out so he gave him 3 years probation, a $400 fine and took his FFL away. He didn't get $250,000 worth of guns back yet.

This guy was always at the gun shows and I suspect at 73 they really didn't want to put his old ass in jail.
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We had an FFL here get busted for selling to a felon. When the BATFE showed up the FFL even helped them carry all the guns out to be confiscated. He appeared before the judge for a plea and the judge said the FFL was truly remorseful and noted he helped carry the guns out so he gave him 3 years probation, a $400 fine and took his FFL away. He didn't get $250,000 worth of guns back yet.

This guy was always at the gun shows and I suspect at 73 they really didn't want to put his old ass in jail.
Ironic thing is many probably ended up in the hands of felons through the black market.
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:41   #22
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You probably would have had better luck and a lot more fun at my place....
Excellent idea brother!!!

We will be home from church by 11 and can head your way then.

You are almost an hour drive away, so noonish???

Are you fixing lunch, should we eat before we get there, or can we bring you lunch ???
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Old December 16, 2017, 21:58   #23
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Excellent idea brother!!!

We will be home from church by 11 and can head your way then.

You are almost an hour drive away, so noonish???

Are you fixing lunch, should we eat before we get there, or can we bring you lunch ???
Seriously ??
Your more than welcome to run down, visit and peruse my junk, but be forwarned, my place is a completely 'in construction' disaster...and I have enough 'stuff' for a normal household of about 30 people, crammed into a 3bdr house,,,lol
You know I cant eat any mammal meat or milk products with the allergy,,and Im doing no carbs right now, so you better eat before you come unless you want rabbit food...
Text and lmk if your coming...
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I keep threatening to quit, but keep going. Sometimes I buy nothing and leave empty handed, others I score a lot or just a little. It is enough to keep me coming back I suppose. I do walk right by most of it though.
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