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Old September 06, 2017, 17:39   #651
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Old September 06, 2017, 18:37   #652
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G-D can't be real happy with how we all have been acting for a long time now, just saying.
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Old September 06, 2017, 18:42   #653
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Will check back on the direction of CME later tonight and tomorrow morning.

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Nice shot group - rolls across the US from Sea-Tac through Chicago to NYC.

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That is because magnetic north is not the same as rotational north on this planet. Canada has that true north claim that is probably unrelated.

Storm is still forecasted as a G3 which is respectable but not transformer popping level.
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G3 (Strong) Geomagnetic Storm Impacts

Power systems: Voltage corrections may be required, false alarms triggered on some protection devices.
Spacecraft operations: Surface charging may occur on satellite components, drag may increase on low-Earth-orbit satellites, and corrections may be needed for orientation problems.
Other systems: Intermittent satellite navigation and low-frequency radio navigation problems may occur, HF radio may be intermittent, and aurora has been seen as low as Illinois and Oregon (typically 50° geomagnetic lat.).

R3 (Strong) Radio Blackout Impacts

HF Radio: Wide area blackout of HF radio communication, loss of radio contact for about an hour on sunlit side of Earth.
Navigation: Low-frequency navigation signals degraded for about an hour.

S2 (Moderate) Solar Radiation Storm Impacts

Biological: Passengers and crew in high-flying aircraft at high latitudes may be exposed to elevated radiation risk.
Satellite operations: Infrequent single-event upsets possible.
Other systems: Small effects on HF propagation through the polar regions and navigation at polar cap locations possibly affected.

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Let's keep this space stuff simple!

Someone here just tell me when to duck!
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We're not the only ones pondering this stuff.
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No matter how bad an event might be, there will always be enough power available to weld shut the bunkers of the rich& famous and the political class.
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Food, water, ammo, bad attitude, medical supplies, check!

I would not like to be a politician, nor ex movie star, if this shit ever happens.
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I would not like to be a politician, nor ex movie star, if this shit ever happens.
With any luck whatever initiates the "event" helps the San Andreas fault line to cleave California off into the ocean as last of Files members and family members whose job forces them to be there cross onto new west coast known as Nevada. Once country restabilizes be a lot of work building new ports with most of the LGBT, socialist, scientology, anti-gun mentality morons feeding fish. Washington D.C. just does not have the physical space to hold enough nuts to survive the indigenous population uprising when get hungry and cold.
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We are suppose to be at min. Not sure which way they are headed.
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We are suppose to be at min. Not sure which way they are headed.
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Energy equivalent to a billion hydrogen bombs? Does Tump know about this? The sun can simply not have that kind of firepower and continually threaten our existence, we must act. I hope he moves a carrier group in proximity ASAP.
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Note paragraph 5.
http://fortune.com/2017/09/11/china-...n-otc-trading/
The group I work with are watching all these pieces. The next big item is the election next month.
This is part of the clues to the internal strife going on in China. Old guard vs new. China may indeed be headed to internal strife and civil war. They are struggling to keep their power and people under control. Even the middle class was dumping the yen. They keep showing in China the film "The coming war with the United States". They are the ones helping the funny guy with his "up grades". Russia has moved items to the far east in the last few months.
The question is what will the Chinese leadership do as they loss power. The best distraction is war. Their long term plans are to have us out of the way. If they use the nut job to needle us into a response, they can use us as the bogie man and maybe kill two birds with one missile. Some say, well they need our money (debt). What is cheaper and more effective? Lose power and control and spend Trillions to have a military to take us on or get it over with in a few years,get rid of your pain population and have control of all of the western Pacific.
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I thought the fat man was getting his help from Estes Model Rockets ordered from the internet. I think as long as we have a couple Ohio Class submarines loaded down with Trident II missiles that the Chinese will not do jack anything, especially with a lunatic in the White House. Just ask Hitlary or any liberal as Trump might start punching buttons on the football like a 1980's legal secretary at an IBM Selectric typewriter. 14 missiles per boat with eight warheads per bird jus dump half a load and there is not much left of China to control. Say we keep the new dam and sell all that electricity to someone that we can get along with or use it as trade bait with the Russians. Tell them they can tap to hydro plant if stay out of the fracas. Putin might be a megalomaniac but he doesn't want to die of anything but old age.
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If they would just invite me to an event and fumble the football. It needs easy to read buttons. Button #1: Beijing, Chengdu, Chongqing, Wuhan, Tianjin, Shenyang, and which other two are important. Button #2: P'yongyang, P'yongsong, Hamhung, Wonsan, Kanggye, Hyesan, Ch'ongjin and Namp'o. Tell our folks on the DMZ to get as far south as fast ans they can, giving them as much stand off territory as possible. Soon as the dust settles to send strategic bombers with conventional weapons, maybe half a dozen MOAB's over Kaesong and Haeju as just too close to Seoul to send warheads that far south. Button #2: Yemen, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria assuming warheads properly dispersed to inflict maximum casualties with least fallout and intrusion of Israeli borders and territory.

Invite me to a meet and greet, accidentally leave the briefcase open with little smiley faces on those three buttons. As each missile begins descent and warheads separate toward designated targets announce to the world that the football was fumbled and the lunatic that picked it up still has the darn thing so do your best not to create any negative news as the stupid thing was built with Chinese circuits using Apple software and its stuck in the armed and can't be bypassed mode. Meanwhile let me take it home and rat-hole it away with the rest of my rare and valuables saying Trump is so ignorant just forgot to keep it locked up and lost the list of people at the party while sitting on the crapper Tweeting but that it still has direct connection to the other nine missiles on that boat and a few other Ohio Class boats as well, their just not sure which because Apple won't release the source code.
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Button #2: P'yongyang, P'yongsong, Hamhung, Wonsan, Kanggye, Hyesan, Ch'ongjin and Namp'o.
I doubt the city that's #1 on my Korean list of cities to nuke released said technical report but the resemblance is uncanny. If a hillbilly can look at a map and figure out relatively easily how to prioritize eight targets for a Trident II inside of Korea, imagine how much better someone in basement of Langley or Pentagon could choose the priority targets. Usually megalomaniacs place their strategic items in big population centers as most civilized people find it difficult to nuke the eight largest cities based on just population due to colatteral damage to civilians. There are no civilians or innocents in this. We invaded Iraq over idea they "might" have WMD's.

Well fat boy not only has them, is testing them, bragging about them, improving them and increasing his number of devices. If I were Trump would call my head General in Korea and tell him to come up with a plan to dissapear like a ghost from the DMZ when weatherman gave a forecast for favorable winds away from South Korea, leave a bunch of manniquins or inflatable sex dolls in uniforms at posts and have timers turning lights on and off at random like we are still on our bases and soon as last significant asset got far enough south punch up a pair of Tridents. 16 warheads with some relative decent intel for targeting should do it and bet an Ohio Class boat could snug up close enough to the cost flight time from launch til detonation would not even give fat boy time to get up from the all-you-can-eat buffet and get to a bunker.

History is a darn good teacher and he who strikes first has a definite advantage. Fat Boy seems like the kind that would sell one or two of his old toys bored with to ISIS and then where would we be? Those lunatics would have them on boats headed toward New York City as fast as could get them loaded. If the United States pushes the button first with England, Israel and a couple others backing our play the Russians will sit back and watch the entire thing and then cut a few deals on the back side to not overly protest at next UN Council meeting. Of course I could say something about what should happen at next big UN meeting as certain people happen to have not shown up. Sure the Brits and we have a couple of UN representatives worth telling would be a good week to call in sick. Somebody needs to go find Teddy Rosevelts "Big Stick" and the documents that go with it and mail some fresh copies with a few updates. It's sad but if try talking to anyone under 35 about Teddy Roosevelt all they know is "San Juan Hill" and a cute story about a bear. Discuss the Civil War and they are positive it was 100% about slavery and been told that the Holocaust is not taught in public schools anymore. Whats the quote about people that forget history are bound to repeat it???

Modern history teaches if you blow up a few Marines the U.S. will leave Beruit. Shoot down a couple of helicopters and we will leave Somolia. Keep us involved long enough in a place like Iraq and the American people will elect a president who promises to cut and run like a Baptist preacher caught in a whore house. If U.S. Presidents believe in a mission they are going to have to lay with it and get it done before another election comes up. Bush should have pulled all our troops from Iran and Afganistan asap when saw Nobama had won with his promise to bring the troops home in 100 days and nuked both of them into the stone age day before the Nobama inauguration. That would have been a nice present to leave for the @$$. If people will just read or re-read the Old Testament if the Israelis had followed God's commands world would be a much more stable place right now. We are due some Old Testament warfare.
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We'll see if he bombs the Pacific ocean.
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He sets one off anywhere, other than in North Korea, would be over Seoul or the USA is my guess.
He does not have that many, and he won't get a lot of follow up shots, so make what he has count???
An EMP burst over our East coast, and a hard hit in Seoul, would set the world back for decades???
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Headed to DC. Meetings have picked up.
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He sets one off anywhere, other than in North Korea, would be over Seoul or the USA is my guess.
He does not have that many, and he won't get a lot of follow up shots, so make what he has count???
An EMP burst over our East coast, and a hard hit in Seoul, would set the world back for decades???
Don't know impact if lose Seoul but loss southern California (except for the few Files members stuck there for work or family reasons) might just improve U.S. significantly. Takes out most of the Hollywierd crowd, 25% of people who vote Democrat no matter what as proven by Pelosi reign plus less money spent on earthquake mitigation and recovery. They can't even make enough electricity to support themselves or water to drink. Would galvanize rest of U.S. into finally dealing with two bit dictators and regime's with nuclear or near nuclear capabilities. Best man since Regan in White House to decide method of response. And I have close family in San Diego.
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Don't know impact if lose Seoul but loss southern California (except for the few Files members stuck there for work or family reasons) might just improve U.S. significantly. Takes out most of the Hollywierd crowd, 25% of people who vote Democrat no matter what as proven by Pelosi reign plus less money spent on earthquake mitigation and recovery. They can't even make enough electricity to support themselves or water to drink. Would galvanize rest of U.S. into finally dealing with two bit dictators and regime's with nuclear or near nuclear capabilities. Best man since Regan in White House to decide method of response. And I have close family in San Diego.
If California went away, succession or a hard hit, not going to cry into my pillow after it occurs, that's for damn sure.
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I expect the millions who voted Trump in Kalifornia along with the aerospace/Navy/Marines/farmers/loggers/fishermen would also not appreciate being lumped in and sacrificed with the liberlaim is a mental disorder citizens in Kalifornia.

Its all BS anyways, more MIC at work.. we were also supposed to go to hell during Obamaos range. How's those silver coins doing?
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I expect the millions who voted Trump in Kalifornia along with the aerospace/Navy/Marines/farmers/loggers/fishermen would also not appreciate being lumped in and sacrificed with the liberlaim is a mental disorder citizens in Kalifornia.

Its all BS anyways, more MIC at work.. we were also supposed to go to hell during Obamaos range. How's those silver coins doing?
There are good people in California, that's a given.

Just outnumbered and behind enemy lines.
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I expect the millions who voted Trump in Kalifornia along with the aerospace/Navy/Marines/farmers/loggers/fishermen would also not appreciate being lumped in and sacrificed with the liberlaim is a mental disorder citizens in Kalifornia.

Its all BS anyways, more MIC at work.. we were also supposed to go to hell during Obamaos range. How's those silver coins doing?
Liberliam ?? Did I miss something ?? Sounds like something my computer fatfingers would come up with

Seriously, though, I think it is safe to say, if one has followed any of the threads on this subject in the past, that most everyone here is well aware of the good guys in Kali and that we certainly do not wish them evil, but let's face it, the handwriting is on the wall and I hope they have their plans in place.

In case you didn't notice, it DID go to hell during the Obama regime We just haven't arrived at the planned destination yet, thank heavens.
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I expect the millions who voted Trump in Kalifornia along with the aerospace/Navy/Marines/farmers/loggers/fishermen would also not appreciate being lumped in and sacrificed with the liberlaim is a mental disorder citizens in Kalifornia.

Its all BS anyways, more MIC at work.. we were also supposed to go to hell during Obamaos range. How's those silver coins doing?
Most of them are in northern Cali. I specifically said south Cali. No trees left down there. Just concrete and desert.
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This can mean several things.
One, no one in power gives a shit, possible.
Two, they are aware of it, and for whatever reason do not plan to address the issue at all.
Three, the system is so vast in size, they determined, nothing can be done.

Fourth, and this is my best guess, they KNOW what we are facing, and have determined we can't do shit to prevent an attack on the power grid across the country and allowed the commission to fade away to lessen the day in and day out concerns of people.

They allowed the Civil Defense stuff to go away when they knew that in an all out nuclear war with modern weapons, it would not help the population survive.
Duck and cover simply meant your ass burned first, then your head.

This just tells folks, we are all on our own.
Something most of us knew already.
East coast cities, urban areas are all toast if they loose power over a week or two, we've all known that.
Same for most all urban areas.
These areas cannot survive as they are today, with out modern means, power, computers, water pumps, transportation networks, outside food resources, can't be sustained, become non in-habitual by the millions concentrated in these areas.

Save what ya can, write off all those lost, then rebuild with what ever is left.
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Don't know impact if lose Seoul but loss southern California (except for the few Files members stuck there for work or family reasons) might just improve U.S. significantly. Takes out most of the Hollywierd crowd, 25% of people who vote Democrat no matter what as proven by Pelosi reign plus less money spent on earthquake mitigation and recovery. They can't even make enough electricity to support themselves or water to drink. Would galvanize rest of U.S. into finally dealing with two bit dictators and regime's with nuclear or near nuclear capabilities. Best man since Regan in White House to decide method of response. And I have close family in San Diego.
Thats what I've been saying for a while jokingly. I don't advocate for the death of anyone outside of pedos and murderers. But case in point, There is no way rural populations would be on the loosing end of a nuclear exchange. Even if high value military targets are in the countryside, the countryside is too dispersed. The juiciest targets are the blue blotches on the electoral map. If rural America is F'd everyone is F'd at that point.
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COMMISSION TO ASSESS THE THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES FROM
ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE (EMP) ATTACK


Report came out a couple weeks ago. Recommendations and suggestions are on the last couple pages:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/HM/HM...P-20171012.pdf
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Old October 23, 2017, 19:39   #685
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This peasant will be very busy trying to care of family and friends should the worst happen.

Not SO busy as to forget that our vaunted political class is safely ensconced in impenetrable fortresses (paid for by peasants like me and thee) with plenty of electricity.

Guess what I'll be thinking about in my down time.
I don't think I'll be alone in my thoughts.
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Old October 23, 2017, 20:14   #686
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COMMISSION TO ASSESS THE THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES FROM
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Report came out a couple weeks ago. Recommendations and suggestions are on the last couple pages:

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/HM/HM...P-20171012.pdf
This below from the report worries the shit out of this old war dog.

We recommend that the President declare that EMP or cyber-attacks that blackout or threaten to blackout the national electric grid constitute the use of weapons of mass destruction that justify preemptive and retaliatory responses by the United States using all possible means, including nuclear weapons.

ANY president that uses nukes in a preemptive nature will be crucified right out of the Oval office.
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Old October 23, 2017, 21:03   #687
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My question is, what country or countries are not subject to damage from an EMP attack?
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Old October 23, 2017, 21:23   #688
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My question is, what country or countries are not subject to damage from an EMP attack?
All are, none are fully harden against EMP that I'm aware of.

The less developed countries, the ones with little to no modern infrastructure will come out of an EMP effect much better than the so called modern nations.

Places like Africa might not even notice an attack over their heads.
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Old October 24, 2017, 09:32   #689
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Both Russia and China have been upgrading their grids. Russia especially because not only for EMP but because they are so far north Solar activity affects them more. China only in certain areas. They can afford to lose a few people.
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On the phone today with Japanese contacts. They are taking the EMP situation very seriously. At the very least they are in a hostage situation. They are trying to get folks ready to deal with the nuclear core and rod cooling ponds.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/james-mat...141518993.html
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This below from the report worries the shit out of this old war dog.

We recommend that the President declare that EMP or cyber-attacks that blackout or threaten to blackout the national electric grid constitute the use of weapons of mass destruction that justify preemptive and retaliatory responses by the United States using all possible means, including nuclear weapons.

ANY president that uses nukes in a preemptive nature will be crucified right out of the Oval office.
Unless a democrat president does.

I'd be OK with a preemptive nuke attack on NK or Iran. It sure would make others with similar ideas think twice.
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This peasant will be very busy trying to care of family and friends should the worst happen.

Not SO busy as to forget that our vaunted political class is safely ensconced in impenetrable fortresses (paid for by peasants like me and thee) with plenty of electricity.

Guess what I'll be thinking about in my down time.
I don't think I'll be alone in my thoughts.
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On the phone today with Japanese contacts. They are taking the EMP situation very seriously. At the very least they are in a hostage situation. They are trying to get folks ready to deal with the nuclear core and rod cooling ponds.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/james-mat...141518993.html
Friend refuel nuclear power plants and oversees radiation safety for contractors during plant maintenance when a reactor is shut down. We have a lot of plants that are just one failed valve, stuck switch or half asleep tech from going China Syndrome it's scary. He "job shops" as a contractor all over the U.S. and says the worst plants are in the Illionis and Pensylvania regions. Says some of the Michigan/Ohio reactors sites have major issues as well. Says Georgia and South Carolina have done great job of cleaning up old messes and new reactor sites are being built well. The Westinghouse bankruptcy did complicate the current new Georgia site but transition to new vendors is going smoothly as possible without any additional safety issues.

One thing he told me many years ago is scary when consider the rod ponds. Says if take a rod fresh out of a reactor and place in median of average four lane interstate with two lanes each direction and 50 feet of grass between them, everyone that drives by that rod at the legal speed limit will die from radiation poisoning. What was even harder to get my head around was him saying the maximum allowable radiation dosage for a plant worker is less than the average enthuisiastic regular rock climber gets per year from rocks. Especially the climbers that spend most of their time climbing granite domes like in western NC or Yosemite CA.
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The reactors both in Japan and the US are leveraged weapons for the EMP attack. One of my best friends who ran the last DOD EMP test, literally on his death bed told his son to tell me to get those ponds fixed. I've had lunch meetings with NRC folks and Assit Sec Def for energy and the situation politically with FERC makes you wonder who they really work for. EMP has been taken up as a political tool by the left (a position exploited by the corporations).
http://www.newsmax.com/PeterPry/chin.../28/id/787020/
I am not a weapons designer but do have a physics degree, have worked as a gov. scientist, written refereed technical articles and have been provided test reports from DOD, MDA and Texas Tech microelectronic survivability tests. I was in Russia and talked with their folks about EMP (yes, many were in Iran and NK). I offer my time to the taskforce and DHS on this issue. There are folks here in the US that are either fools or enemies of the state. In either case the end result is not good for us.
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The reactors both in Japan and the US are leveraged weapons for the EMP attack. One of my best friends who ran the last DOD EMP test, literally on his death bed told his son to tell me to get those ponds fixed. I've had lunch meetings with NRC folks and Assit Sec Def for energy and the situation politically with FERC makes you wonder who they really work for. EMP has been taken up as a political tool by the left (a position exploited by the corporations).
http://www.newsmax.com/PeterPry/chin.../28/id/787020/
I am not a weapons designer but do have a physics degree, have worked as a gov. scientist, written refereed technical articles and have been provided test reports from DOD, MDA and Texas Tech microelectronic survivability tests. I was in Russia and talked with their folks about EMP (yes, many were in Iran and NK). I offer my time to the taskforce and DHS on this issue. There are folks here in the US that are either fools or enemies of the state. In either case the end result is not good for us.
Both, but mainly fools.
A "potential" problem, one not staring them in the face TODAY, one that will cost money, and one where they can't use the speeding of tax dollars to buy votes, simply is not in their wheelhouse of priorities.

I just placed a new roof on my new work shop, because I KNOW that one day it will rain, and one day, it will turn cold.
Politicians don't think this way.
If it ain't raining and cold, they spend the money on something else.

Today, they are blocking off the bike path in NYC.
They KNEW prior that one day, some asshole COULD use the pathway to mow down people with a truck, but they spent money on other stuff.
A reporter said this morning, in a moment of clarity and honesty, NYC HAD TO DO THIS TODAY, to show the people, they were doing something.

This is the same exact thing happening with the EMP issue.
Politicians will not take this issue and do anything meaningful with it, because it is not how they think and not what they do.

I live southeast of the "largest" nuke plant in the country???? the one just west of Phoenix.
Politicians will not allow spent fuel rods/waste to be stored in ??? Yucca mountain location, so its all being stored on site, in cooling ponds, and has been piling up since the place went on line a long time ago.

This site is located in the middle of the AZ desert.
WE don't have large running rivers around these parts, reason its a desert.
All or most of the water we drink, comes out of the ground via pumps.

The pumps stop at this plant, the question I need answered and can't locate anyone to tell me, how long do I have to, run away, or go underground?

C2, maybe ya can answer this one for me with your background, my background, retired Army, medic, degrees in Psychology, Education, and History.

If the cooling ponds need water, lots of water, forever, to cool the spent rods and cool the operating plant rods, why in the hell did the engineers who designed these things, not place them in places where they had a natural flow of water, gravity feed, not dependent on pumps to keep this shit cool forever?

The Romans built gravity feed water systems a couple thousand years ago that are still working, all without pumps.
Not like the technology ain't been around forever.

These plants were designed to fail, that's the real crime here.
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On a clear winter morning, I can see the steam rising from the disaster-in-waiting closest to me.

We have plenty of water in the ground in my area. My understanding is once the water cools the spent fuel, its radioactive and needs to be cooled and recycled through a closed system to be used again.

That means pumps and big science to keep running. I'm just a window licker and don't understand the science. My thought is, the nuke plants in Pa. will turn it into the forbidden zone once the lights go out.
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On a clear winter morning, I can see the steam rising from the disaster-in-waiting closest to me.

We have plenty of water in the ground in my area. My understanding is once the water cools the spent fuel, its radioactive and needs to be cooled and recycled through a closed system to be used again.

That means pumps and big science to keep running. I'm just a window licker and don't understand the science. My thought is, the nuke plants in Pa. will turn it into the forbidden zone once the lights go out.
And I'm even closer than you

Huey, which PA plants did your friend refer to ?
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I live southeast of the "largest" nuke plant in the country???? the one just west of Phoenix.
Politicians will not allow spent fuel rods/waste to be stored in ??? Yucca mountain location, so its all being stored on site, in cooling ponds, and has been piling up since the place went on line a long time ago.

This site is located in the middle of the AZ desert.
WE don't have large running rivers around these parts, reason its a desert.
All or most of the water we drink, comes out of the ground via pumps.

The pumps stop at this plant, the question I need answered and can't locate anyone to tell me, how long do I have to, run away, or go underground?

C2, maybe ya can answer this one for me with your background, my background, retired Army, medic, degrees in Psychology, Education, and History.

If the cooling ponds need water, lots of water, forever, to cool the spent rods and cool the operating plant rods, why in the hell did the engineers who designed these things, not place them in places where they had a natural flow of water, gravity feed, not dependent on pumps to keep this shit cool forever?

The Romans built gravity feed water systems a couple thousand years ago that are still working, all without pumps.
Not like the technology ain't been around forever.

These plants were designed to fail, that's the real crime here.
They only need about 5+ years of cooling before they are cool enough to be moved to dry storage.

When the water is gone from the cooling pond you are outta time.
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The cooling ponds are a closed cycle system because the water contains material from the rods which is radioactive. Once the water stops flowing, the water heats and boils away exposing the rods. Once exposed the rods melt and begin to burn creating a radioactive smoking cloud. The reactor itself should shut down just fine, if not then it melts and flows down into the bottom of the containment vessel. It's the ponds that are the biggie.
YH, I'll run the numbers but I'm like you, down wind of PV. I've got good plume simulation models but I know we will not have a lot of time, depending on the time of the year. Maybe a day or so.
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