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Old April 16, 2018, 13:51   #1
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Question on Milrad scopes

I know the Vortex Razor and Viper scopes are great. And expensive.

Is there a cheaper option to get a good FFP scope with this kind of reticle? It has to be numbers marked.


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Old April 16, 2018, 20:32   #2
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Hagar -

Is that a Horus 'Christmas Tree', or is that a proprietary Vortex 'tree'?


Burris is doing some good scope work for low dollars. Good glass, good knobs, good warranty, lower-than-most-for-the-quality price.
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From what I have seen, the terms FFP and cheap/inexpensive have never been used in the description of a firearm optic.

All of the scopes with FFP start in the area $650-700 and head upwards rapidly.

That said, the SWFA Super Sniper fixed 10X scope has what you need and it doesn't matter about which focal plane because of the fixed magnification. And under $300.

Here is the reticle:

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Have you used one of these? I realize it's a $300 scope, but is it an ok scope?
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Old April 17, 2018, 09:24   #5
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Thanks for the Burris suggestion. The Burris 201032 XTR II 3x15-50mm Illuminated SCR MOA FFP Reticle will do just dandy, at around $850. I just don't want to spend $2000 on a Vortex, as good as they are.

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Have you used one of these? I realize it's a $300 scope, but is it an ok scope?
I've got a few of their optics including two of the 10x42's. The fixed 10x & 6x are nothing super fancy, but high quality. Best value for an optic going, IMO.

The variable power scopes are very nice as well. SWFA usually has a sale around the 4th of july, the tax time sale ended monday.
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Old April 19, 2018, 09:18   #7
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The 10X Super Sniper scope I have only has mildots. It is actually a very good scope for the money.
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I think I have decided on the Burris XTR 2 SCR, but should I get the MIL or the MOA scope? they cost about the same.

I am more used to MOA adjustments, but the MIL may be more useful.
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I think I have decided on the Burris XTR 2 SCR, but should I get the MIL or the MOA scope? they cost about the same.

I am more used to MOA adjustments, but the MIL may be more useful.
Everyone at matches will be using mils. But if you are more familiar with MOA and will not be match shoooting then that may be the best for you

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Hagar -

Is that a Horus 'Christmas Tree', or is that a proprietary Vortex 'tree'?


Burris is doing some good scope work for low dollars. Good glass, good knobs, good warranty, lower-than-most-for-the-quality price.
Vortex proprietary. Though not sure that’s their reticle...

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Got the same bug, eh? Wonder why ;-)

After hitting a 10in gong st 525 yards with a 4x elcan on a 16in bbl carbine, I'm thinking it's worth it just to sell a rifle or two and get another top shelf scope. I'm looking for a medium contour Remington in 308
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I think the new Vortex PST2 line is nicer than the Burris line for the same $$

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Got the same bug, eh? Wonder why ;-)

After hitting a 10in gong st 525 yards with a 4x elcan on a 16in bbl carbine, I'm thinking it's worth it just to sell a rifle or two and get another top shelf scope. I'm looking for a medium contour Remington in 308
If you really want to stretch your legs get it in 6.5 Creedmoor. Waaaayy flatter than shooting .308

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For the money spent on the Remmy, you can add a little and step up to the Bergara B14 HMR. Awesome rifle in 6.5 Creedmore. Depending on the shop, priced at $900-1000.

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Never heard of Bergara before, but I looked at some on GB. They have some awesome offerings..

The Remington Sendero and VS models must have achieved cult status, I cannot believe what they want for them nowadays. On the other hand, they were made much better than the crap Remington offered the last 10 years, and they won't be making any more.

That 6.5 Creedmoor has some impressive ballistics, but I'm not even going there. I have no other 6.5 calibers so don't want to get into buying yet another set of dies, bullets and brass.

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I have one of these sitting on a shelf waiting for the right rifle to mount it on. My first Athlon but have seen a few at the range and spoken to several who've had a good experience with them. Under $400 (IIRC I paid $359 shipped for mine) for a FFP 6-24x50 is crazy low. I have Vortex and Burris optics but I'm willing to roll the dice at that price.

https://athlonoptics.com/product/rif...argos-6-24x50/

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Tibosaurus Rex has a large collection of glass and mostly favors German glass but he does give high marks to SWFA. I ended up getting the ED/HD glass version of their fixed power version 10X so paid a couple hundred more. Anyway here is some info plus Youtubes.



Published on May 27, 2014
Are Super Sniper scopes really military issue? Are SWFA scopes made by Tasco? Who uses SWFA SS scopes? What is the truth behind the Super Sniper scope line? How much recoil can Super Sniper scopes really take? Are the new variable SS scopes as tough as the fixed power models?

In this video review, Rex answers your questions regarding the history and development of the SWFA SS scope lineup. Rex also shares his opinions on the new SWFA SS 3-15x42 FFP variable scope and tests its performance. Learn new tips that may help you to avoid issues with these scopes.

SWFA FACTS:
Navy Contract # N00164-93-C-205

In 1993, the Crane Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center sent out a solicitation contract for a 10x sniper scope with very specific features. Several companies submitted scopes specially built to the contract specifications. The Navy bought a large number of the Super Sniper product under the contract #N00164-93-C-205.

The SS scope were built from the ground up to meet the United States Navy's specifications concerning durability, resolution, adjustment travel, etc.

Tasco originally fulfilled the Navy contract obligations, but SWFA later bought the rights to the Super Sniper line.

The SWFA SS is made in Japan, which is a good thing. Nightforce, Nikon and many other premium optics companies have their products manufactured in Japan as opposed to China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Philippines etc... Japanese optics are well respected and generally exhibit superior quality when compared to other Pacific / Asian made products.

SWFA currently sells the SS 10x42 rear parallax to the U.S. Army for use on their M1A/M14 designated marksmen rifles in large numbers and smaller numbers for AR variants, and .50 BMGs. SWFA Super Sniper scopes have a lifetime warranty and they stand behind it... if you ever do manage to break it, they will fix it or replace it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fe4l_CAthI


REVIEW - SWFA Super Sniper 10X - SNIPER 101

Published on Dec 25, 2012

This optic was originally designated for the US Navy but was later marketed by SWFA under the name Super Sniper. Although quite inexpensive compared to some more well known premium optics, this scope gives the big boys a run for their money. Major strong points are 100% reliable turret tracking, large 140+ MOA range of elevation adjustment, extreme ruggedness, and very good optical clarity. Even though I do sport much more expensive optics at times, I have to admit this SS10X will function as needed even in the most extreme climatic circumstances. It may be the best value per dollar out there you could spend on serious long range rifle scopes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nky0voYC7gQ
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