Good C&R in 7.62 x 51

jakjak824 · June 26, 2012, 12:19

Looking to possibly pick up an older less expensive c&r rifle to shoot and somewhat have as a conversation piece that is chambered in 7.62, and thoughts or direction?

Thanks

Dan44 · June 26, 2012, 12:25

Izzy K98

fnogger · June 26, 2012, 12:29

Well, a lot of FALs are getting to be C&R

**def90** · June 26, 2012, 12:33

Ishapore Enfield?

jakjak824 · June 26, 2012, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by fnogger

Well, a lot of FALs are getting to be C&R

I know, I keep trying to tell my wife that lol

I really like that Izzy, what do they run price wise?

bookertbab · June 26, 2012, 14:43

FR-8s are cool.

**K. Funk** · June 26, 2012, 16:02

The window of opportunity is not that wide, being that .308 was not really around until 1955 and C&R is 1962. However, as mentioned; FR-8, Izzy K98, Ishapore 2A, Winchester M70, MAS 49/56 conversion, Spanish M1916. I'm sure we can come up with others.

The last 2 Izzy K98's I had were in the $350 range.

krf

HankC · June 26, 2012, 18:37

Have FR-8, Ishapore 2A, Spanish M1916 (sold) and also a 1912 Mauser. I like 1912 most! Also have couple 308s built from mauser actions.

fnogger · June 26, 2012, 19:24

Your world opens up if you want to go "just" C&R as opposed to milsurp C&R ... Winchester 100, etc.

zombie hunter · June 26, 2012, 21:06

The FR-8 is definitely a conversation piece, and a handy little carbine. I saw one on Gunbroker a while back fitted with a non-interchangeable FAL magazine. How's that for a scout rifle? It still counts as C&R because the receiver is >50 years old. Also FR-7 and 1916s they were made from. If you're worried about safety with the 1916/FR-7 (the remaining pressure difference after accounting for different measurement methods), either try to find surplus 7.62 CETME, or load to 7x57 pressures.

The MAS 49/56 is only C&R if the receiver was made >50 years ago, whereas all MAS 49s and 49/56s in original 7.5x54 are C&R regardless of when they were made. A lot of the Century conversions don't work, but I've heard there are also a lot out there that run 100%.

Israeli K98 conversions are going to shoot like any other K98. I'm not sure it's worth getting in 7.62x51 when 8x57 surplus is still around (not like it used to be, but still) and 7.62x51 surplus is so expensive.

I've been tempted by the Ishapores. They're not conversions, and there's no debate on the Internet over them being made for a different loading, as with the Spanish Mausers.

There's also the Garand options. The CMP is selling them in .308 for $995, which isn't terribly expensive for a Garand, and cheaper than your other semi-auto options: C&R FAL, FN-49 (rare in 7.62x51), and BM-59 (Italian Garand conversion that takes interchangeable mags).

As others have mentioned, any commercial rifle >50 years old is an option, or any other conversion on a C&R receiver. The Mauser conversions are popular because of the common rim between Mauser and .308.

DYNOMIKE · June 26, 2012, 23:16

Had two FR-8's and while I liked them I rarely shot them so they went..

LOVE the ISHY Enfield, it's very accurate, soft shooting and as such sees semi reg range trips.. IMHO these rifles are great values..

Always wanted an IZZY Mauser in .308, mebe someday..

rigormootis · June 27, 2012, 00:03

Another vote for the Ishy 2A Enfield.

Ironhandjohn · June 27, 2012, 00:33

One more for the Ishapore.

I had to tweak the feed lips of my old one and replace the extractor spring shortly after I bought it, and also give it a really good cleaning. Other than that, it was a great rifle. They are still relatively cheap if you can find one from a private buyer or gun show sale.

ALL FAL · June 27, 2012, 03:12

Add another for the Ishapore, the one I picked up had been robbed of its stock and fittings, but was cheep and shoots very well in its plastic stock.

jakjak824 · June 27, 2012, 22:21

So you are saying I got options lol, I will have to do some looking around and keep my eyes open at the local gunshows.

Thanks

Deltaten · June 28, 2012, 15:51

Another Ishy advocate. I find it softer to shoot than I imagined it would be. Much easier on the shoulder than any of my other crank-handle guns (8mm) or any of the others that I've shot in a multitude of calibers.

Classic look, good shooting AND a common caliber!
What's NOT to like?

jakjak824 · June 28, 2012, 22:07

fr8 This one is really intriguing me...Any thing to know or look for on these?

Topbanana · June 28, 2012, 22:08

My Ishy is a great shooter!

GUNNERUP · June 29, 2012, 09:05

The FR-8 is a great short rifle, I think the ultimate truck gun. However, they have kind of dryed up and the one you find are overpriced. They do have a bit of a push when you drop the hammer, but when you carry it your know you have a RIFLE!!

HankC · June 30, 2012, 07:50

You may also consider swap a 7.62 barrel on a mauser while available. I got 2 for myself for future projects. Pretty cheap.
http://centerfiresystems.com/bbl-mauser-1912.aspx

jakjak824 · June 30, 2012, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by HankC

You may also consider swap a 7.62 barrel on a mauser while available. I got 2 for myself for future projects. Pretty cheap.
http://centerfiresystems.com/bbl-mauser-1912.aspx

will this fit on a Spanish Mauser?

HankC · June 30, 2012, 11:39

Should fit large ring mausers. Internet research, have not tried it myself.

jakjak824 · June 30, 2012, 13:24

Because I have this in 7mm

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If I could ust swap out the barrel I would be gtg,, great looks like I will have ye another project

HankC · June 30, 2012, 15:48

This is a small ring, not strong enough for 308. I also have one of this. Got it free in a package deal! Noce little rifle, you can convert it into 7.62x39. I did 2 of them. Barrel available from Numerich around $120.

jakjak824 · July 02, 2012, 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by HankC

This is a small ring, not strong enough for 308. I also have one of this. Got it free in a package deal! Noce little rifle, you can convert it into 7.62x39. I did 2 of them. Barrel available from Numerich around $120.

They are currently out of stock on these

I will have to keep my eyes peeled for something, wound be nice and cheap to shoot.

HankC · July 02, 2012, 18:54

Came across a good deal. Green Mountain has it for $90 now, even cheaper than Numerich. Almost bought one myself for a nice 1995 mauser action I keep around, but I don't need another project now. You will need to rent a reamer to finish cut the chamber and blue or park the barrel. Extractor will extract but does not hold it tight to eject well. http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/militar...ser-barrel,-21

jakjak824 · July 03, 2012, 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by HankC

Came across a good deal. Green Mountain has it for $90 now, even cheaper than Numerich. Almost bought one myself for a nice 1995 mauser action I keep around, but I don't need another project now. You will need to rent a reamer to finish cut the chamber and blue or park the barrel. Extractor will extract but does not hold it tight to eject well. http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/militar...ser-barrel,-21

You woudnt have a reamer to lend at all would you??

HankC · July 03, 2012, 15:02

I rented from 4D before. They charge $30 + around $5 for shipping.

http://www.4-dproducts.com/displayit...5&tname=rental

jakjak824 · July 03, 2012, 20:43

Little change of plans, Found this and I got it for ( what I think) was a pretty sweet deal
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Made in Morocco in the 50's for Israel

AliYahu · July 03, 2012, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakjak824

Made in Morocco in the 50's for Israel

That's a Belgian FN! Nice score!
FN was making those for Israel and commercial K98s for Sears at the same time.

Eli

**rochte** · July 08, 2012, 10:17

Jakjak, that is sweet! Not sure where you got the Morocco idea from - as Eli said, it was made by FN in Belgium for Israeli. If you ever want to sell it or consider a trade, let me know!

jakjak824 · July 08, 2012, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by rochte

Jakjak, that is sweet! Not sure where you got the Morocco idea from - as Eli said, it was made by FN in Belgium for Israeli. If you ever want to sell it or consider a trade, let me know!

The guy who sold it to me said that the barrel was re chambered at an Israelite armory in Morroco, IDK He was probably full of it.

Any way took it to the range today and it shoot really well,

15 shots on a paper plate at 100 yards and some pretty decent groups at 50

June 26, 2012, 12:19	#1
jakjak824 Registered FALaholic #: 64632 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: WISCO Posts: 106	Good C&R in 7.62 x 51 Looking to possibly pick up an older less expensive c&r rifle to shoot and somewhat have as a conversation piece that is chambered in 7.62, and thoughts or direction? Thanks

June 26, 2012, 12:33	#4
def90 Old Fart Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 50609 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Peoples' Republic of Boulder, Colorado Posts: 8,807	Ishapore Enfield? __________________ There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live. Public libraries cannot let the public decide what is allowed in the library, or it would be brimming with pornography and gun magazines.

June 26, 2012, 14:43	#6
bookertbab Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 5217 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,376	FR-8s are cool. __________________ Careful with that axe, Eugene. NRA Life member.

June 26, 2012, 16:02	#7
K. Funk Real Life Metallurgist Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 38 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Myerstown, PA Posts: 3,939	The window of opportunity is not that wide, being that .308 was not really around until 1955 and C&R is 1962. However, as mentioned; FR-8, Izzy K98, Ishapore 2A, Winchester M70, MAS 49/56 conversion, Spanish M1916. I'm sure we can come up with others. The last 2 Izzy K98's I had were in the $350 range. krf __________________ The Mason-Dixon FAL Association wants YOU!! Ask me for details. You never know what's going on inside the mind of a crazy man!! Check out username kandainv on Gunbroker; always some neat stuff!! FYB!!!!

June 26, 2012, 23:16	#11
DYNOMIKE Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 11982 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 13,953	Had two FR-8's and while I liked them I rarely shot them so they went.. LOVE the ISHY Enfield, it's very accurate, soft shooting and as such sees semi reg range trips.. IMHO these rifles are great values.. Always wanted an IZZY Mauser in .308, mebe someday.. __________________ "If your Gonna DIE, DIE Standing UP"!! The WOLVERINES.......

June 26, 2012, 12:25	#2
Dan44 Registered FALaholic #: 12398 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 487	Izzy K98

June 26, 2012, 12:29	#3
fnogger Registered FALaholic #: 51053 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: places Posts: 773	Well, a lot of FALs are getting to be C&R

June 26, 2012, 18:37	#8
HankC Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 20436 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 563	Have FR-8, Ishapore 2A, Spanish M1916 (sold) and also a 1912 Mauser. I like 1912 most! Also have couple 308s built from mauser actions.

June 26, 2012, 19:24	#9
fnogger Registered FALaholic #: 51053 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: places Posts: 773	Your world opens up if you want to go "just" C&R as opposed to milsurp C&R ... Winchester 100, etc.

June 26, 2012, 21:06	#10
zombie hunter Registered FALaholic #: 62660 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 300	The FR-8 is definitely a conversation piece, and a handy little carbine. I saw one on Gunbroker a while back fitted with a non-interchangeable FAL magazine. How's that for a scout rifle? It still counts as C&R because the receiver is >50 years old. Also FR-7 and 1916s they were made from. If you're worried about safety with the 1916/FR-7 (the remaining pressure difference after accounting for different measurement methods), either try to find surplus 7.62 CETME, or load to 7x57 pressures. The MAS 49/56 is only C&R if the receiver was made >50 years ago, whereas all MAS 49s and 49/56s in original 7.5x54 are C&R regardless of when they were made. A lot of the Century conversions don't work, but I've heard there are also a lot out there that run 100%. Israeli K98 conversions are going to shoot like any other K98. I'm not sure it's worth getting in 7.62x51 when 8x57 surplus is still around (not like it used to be, but still) and 7.62x51 surplus is so expensive. I've been tempted by the Ishapores. They're not conversions, and there's no debate on the Internet over them being made for a different loading, as with the Spanish Mausers. There's also the Garand options. The CMP is selling them in .308 for $995, which isn't terribly expensive for a Garand, and cheaper than your other semi-auto options: C&R FAL, FN-49 (rare in 7.62x51), and BM-59 (Italian Garand conversion that takes interchangeable mags). As others have mentioned, any commercial rifle >50 years old is an option, or any other conversion on a C&R receiver. The Mauser conversions are popular because of the common rim between Mauser and .308.

June 27, 2012, 00:03	#12
rigormootis NRA Lifer/Instructor Contributor FALaholic #: 12991 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: (43.768, -87.7614) Posts: 535	Another vote for the Ishy 2A Enfield. __________________ - Chris (a.k.a. "warriorsociologist" on most other forums)

June 27, 2012, 00:33	#13
Ironhandjohn Registered FALaholic #: 11561 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 1187 Hundertwasser Posts: 2,351	One more for the Ishapore. I had to tweak the feed lips of my old one and replace the extractor spring shortly after I bought it, and also give it a really good cleaning. Other than that, it was a great rifle. They are still relatively cheap if you can find one from a private buyer or gun show sale. __________________ Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it... is a VERY bad idea!!

June 27, 2012, 03:12	#14
ALL FAL Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 24447 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,158	Add another for the Ishapore, the one I picked up had been robbed of its stock and fittings, but was cheep and shoots very well in its plastic stock. __________________ The Future is ALWAYS Open!! An ARMED society is a POLITE society.

June 27, 2012, 22:21	#15
jakjak824 Registered FALaholic #: 64632 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: WISCO Posts: 106	So you are saying I got options lol, I will have to do some looking around and keep my eyes open at the local gunshows. Thanks

June 28, 2012, 15:51	#16
Deltaten Registered FALaholic #: 124 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lancaster, PA USA Posts: 8,498	Another Ishy advocate. I find it softer to shoot than I imagined it would be. Much easier on the shoulder than any of my other crank-handle guns (8mm) or any of the others that I've shot in a multitude of calibers. Classic look, good shooting AND a common caliber! What's NOT to like? __________________ All or Nothing! Senator McCarthy was right! and as always......FYB!

June 28, 2012, 22:07	#17
jakjak824 Registered FALaholic #: 64632 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: WISCO Posts: 106	FR8 fr8 This one is really intriguing me...Any thing to know or look for on these?

June 28, 2012, 22:08	#18
Topbanana Registered FALaholic #: 20443 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Manhattan, KS Posts: 3,262	My Ishy is a great shooter! __________________ God created the Earth, Mauser drew the property lines.

June 29, 2012, 09:05	#19
GUNNERUP Registered FALaholic #: 36824 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Texas Posts: 73	The FR-8 is a great short rifle, I think the ultimate truck gun. However, they have kind of dryed up and the one you find are overpriced. They do have a bit of a push when you drop the hammer, but when you carry it your know you have a RIFLE!!

June 30, 2012, 07:50	#20
HankC Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 20436 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 563	You may also consider swap a 7.62 barrel on a mauser while available. I got 2 for myself for future projects. Pretty cheap. http://centerfiresystems.com/bbl-mauser-1912.aspx

June 30, 2012, 11:39	#22
HankC Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 20436 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 563	Should fit large ring mausers. Internet research, have not tried it myself.

June 30, 2012, 13:24	#23
jakjak824 Registered FALaholic #: 64632 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: WISCO Posts: 106	Because I have this in 7mm [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] If I could ust swap out the barrel I would be gtg,, great looks like I will have ye another project

June 30, 2012, 15:48	#24
HankC Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 20436 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 563	This is a small ring, not strong enough for 308. I also have one of this. Got it free in a package deal! Noce little rifle, you can convert it into 7.62x39. I did 2 of them. Barrel available from Numerich around $120.

July 02, 2012, 18:54	#26
HankC Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 20436 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 563	Came across a good deal. Green Mountain has it for $90 now, even cheaper than Numerich. Almost bought one myself for a nice 1995 mauser action I keep around, but I don't need another project now. You will need to rent a reamer to finish cut the chamber and blue or park the barrel. Extractor will extract but does not hold it tight to eject well. http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/militar...ser-barrel,-21

July 03, 2012, 15:02	#28
HankC Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 20436 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 563	I rented from 4D before. They charge $30 + around $5 for shipping. http://www.4-dproducts.com/displayit...5&tname=rental

July 03, 2012, 20:43	#29
jakjak824 Registered FALaholic #: 64632 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: WISCO Posts: 106	Little change of plans, Found this and I got it for ( what I think) was a pretty sweet deal [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] Made in Morocco in the 50's for Israel

July 08, 2012, 10:17	#31
rochte Veteran Member Contributor FALaholic #: 16305 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Grosse Pointe, MI Posts: 1,406	Jakjak, that is sweet! Not sure where you got the Morocco idea from - as Eli said, it was made by FN in Belgium for Israeli. If you ever want to sell it or consider a trade, let me know!

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