What kind of 7.62mm is this??

Anders · June 16, 2012, 13:36

Just bought 1000 rounds of it.

Seller says it's South African but I don't trust him.

Headstamp: HE , 7.62mm

Had a few feed problems in my L1A1 Lithgow and I'm not sure I'll continue to use it.

//Anders

**Andy the Aussie** · June 16, 2012, 14:33

HF was Singapore (green sealant on the primer) I have a vague recollection HE was also from there. Excellent ammunition (Aussie supplied plant) that I still have some of. It may be the angle of your pics but the projectiles look worng to me (for Singaporean). Can you snap a pic of the headstamp.

Andy

Anders · June 16, 2012, 14:47

Opened a new box and it was mixed...both HE and HF with green primer sealant.... so I guess you are right.

The bullets are quite strange.....more like a blunt nose than a sharp point on all other 7.62mm NATO I have seen.

Tried a few 100's of it today. If I loaded a magazine with 20 rounds the first round didn't extract and ejected properly....the rest of the 19 rounds fired allright. Tried several magazines and hade the same problems with them all. If I loaded a magazine with 18 rounds it worked Ok from the start.

Didn't tried it from the bench but I managed to put down man sized military pop-up targets at 100 meters with zero problems so I guess for zombie hunting it wil do fine.

The HE/HF ammo was almost half the price from MEN surplus. Should I buy more of the HE/HF?

//Anders

Anders · June 16, 2012, 14:49

Ammo has been repacked and the label on the 20-round box says 155gr CMJ.....???

//Anders

Ps. My Lithgow is ex-SPF so it's a bit strange it doesn't like the ammo :-)

**Andy the Aussie** · June 17, 2012, 01:27

Yep... something not right at all about those projectiles. It should look very very much like Aussie F4. I can't recall now if the HF used 144 or 150gn projectiles now. But NOT 155.

Anders · June 17, 2012, 10:28

The bullet.....doesn't look like 7.62mm NATO bullets to me.

What do you think......should I continue to use the 800 rounds I have left? The fired cases look OK so the pressure is propably not excessive. Will NOT buy any more of this ammo.....will stick to Swede surplus and German MEN.

//Anders

richbug · June 17, 2012, 10:34

What diameter are those bullets? They look very similar to some I pulled from VKT 7.62x54R.

Anders · June 17, 2012, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by richbug

What diameter are those bullets? They look very similar to some I pulled from VKT 7.62x54R.

My calliper is junk so I can't meassure exact.

It's smaller than a 7.62x39 bullet I checked on so it's not .312.

//Anders

Anders · June 17, 2012, 11:51

OK, now I know what bullet it is.

It's made by Frontier Bullets in South Africa.

http://www.frontierbullets.co.za/cmj_bullets.html

This means the ammo is reloaded using surplus Singapore cases/primers.

Anyone that knows a company that do large scale reloading and that uses Frontier CMJ (complete metal jacket)??

//A

ammolab · June 17, 2012, 11:53

CMJ? Complete metal jacket most likely. "Green Ammo" for indoor shooting or other areas that have a "lead concern".

Not a NATO spec round in that matter and I see the feed issue in a FAL but many other weapons may feed that just fine.

It must be some pretty recent mfg to not just use a lead core, exposed base NATO FMJ.

Deltaten · June 17, 2012, 12:04

Works with 18 rds????

I'd say it's Vickers ammo co.

Anders · June 17, 2012, 12:11

What do you think......should I continue to use the ammo in my FAL?

The fact that the first two rounds from the magazine failed to feed/eject properly must happen since the ammo is underpowered the friction from the rounds in the fully loaded magazine is "too much" for the bolt....??

From round 18 it works OK......but I have to adjust the gas all the way to #3.

//A

ammolab · June 17, 2012, 13:31

Clearly NOT a reload with the Factory Primer crimp and seal in place.

Could be loaded up on NEW Singapore primed cases or simply loaded by the Singaport plant with those "CMJ" bullets. Either way... not a reload on a fired cartridge case.

jefferyc22 · June 18, 2012, 21:55

How much a round did you pay for it?

Illurian00 · June 18, 2012, 22:38

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73477

**4x401** · June 18, 2012, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deltaten

Works with 18 rds????

I'd say it's Vickers ammo co.

Anders · June 19, 2012, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by jefferyc22

How much a round did you pay for it?

20 cents per round.

//Anders

Illurian00 · June 19, 2012, 12:16

At .20 per rnd. I'd be tempted to shoot more of it,,,just to be sure....

tac556-1 · June 19, 2012, 21:03

Pulled down singapore, then loaded with the weird bullets. Not a completely uncommon thing as we seen military ammo get pulled down for components frequently for various reasons. So that is my guess.

**MK ULTRA** · June 20, 2012, 05:49

Is it boxer primed?

If so Id buy more.

I would mic that bullet though.

Did you buy it online?

**andresere** · June 26, 2012, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deltaten

Works with 18 rds????

I'd say it's Vickers ammo co.

Vickers never made any in 19 or 20 rnd (too many stoppages)

Nicely done, the both of you.

June 16, 2012, 13:36	#1
Anders Registered FALaholic #: 511 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Svitjod Posts: 218	What kind of 7.62mm is this?? Just bought 1000 rounds of it. Seller says it's South African but I don't trust him. Headstamp: HE , 7.62mm Had a few feed problems in my L1A1 Lithgow and I'm not sure I'll continue to use it. //Anders __________________ Of all the money e'er I had, I spent it in good company. And all the harm I've ever done, Alas! it was to none but me. And all I've done for want of wit To mem'ry now I can't recall So fill to me the parting glass Good night and joy be with you all. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...or/FALclub.jpg

June 16, 2012, 14:49	#4
Anders Registered FALaholic #: 511 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Svitjod Posts: 218	Ammo has been repacked and the label on the 20-round box says 155gr CMJ.....??? //Anders Ps. My Lithgow is ex-SPF so it's a bit strange it doesn't like the ammo :-) __________________ Of all the money e'er I had, I spent it in good company. And all the harm I've ever done, Alas! it was to none but me. And all I've done for want of wit To mem'ry now I can't recall So fill to me the parting glass Good night and joy be with you all. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...or/FALclub.jpg

June 17, 2012, 10:28	#6
Anders Registered FALaholic #: 511 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Svitjod Posts: 218	The bullet.....doesn't look like 7.62mm NATO bullets to me. What do you think......should I continue to use the 800 rounds I have left? The fired cases look OK so the pressure is propably not excessive. Will NOT buy any more of this ammo.....will stick to Swede surplus and German MEN. //Anders __________________ Of all the money e'er I had, I spent it in good company. And all the harm I've ever done, Alas! it was to none but me. And all I've done for want of wit To mem'ry now I can't recall So fill to me the parting glass Good night and joy be with you all. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...or/FALclub.jpg

June 17, 2012, 11:51	#9
Anders Registered FALaholic #: 511 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Svitjod Posts: 218	OK, now I know what bullet it is. It's made by Frontier Bullets in South Africa. http://www.frontierbullets.co.za/cmj_bullets.html This means the ammo is reloaded using surplus Singapore cases/primers. Anyone that knows a company that do large scale reloading and that uses Frontier CMJ (complete metal jacket)?? //A __________________ Of all the money e'er I had, I spent it in good company. And all the harm I've ever done, Alas! it was to none but me. And all I've done for want of wit To mem'ry now I can't recall So fill to me the parting glass Good night and joy be with you all. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...or/FALclub.jpg

June 17, 2012, 12:04	#11
Deltaten Registered FALaholic #: 124 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lancaster, PA USA Posts: 8,502	Works with 18 rds???? I'd say it's Vickers ammo co. __________________ All or Nothing! Senator McCarthy was right! and as always......FYB!

June 16, 2012, 14:47	#3
Anders Registered FALaholic #: 511 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Svitjod Posts: 218	Opened a new box and it was mixed...both HE and HF with green primer sealant.... so I guess you are right. The bullets are quite strange.....more like a blunt nose than a sharp point on all other 7.62mm NATO I have seen. Tried a few 100's of it today. If I loaded a magazine with 20 rounds the first round didn't extract and ejected properly....the rest of the 19 rounds fired allright. Tried several magazines and hade the same problems with them all. If I loaded a magazine with 18 rounds it worked Ok from the start. Didn't tried it from the bench but I managed to put down man sized military pop-up targets at 100 meters with zero problems so I guess for zombie hunting it wil do fine. The HE/HF ammo was almost half the price from MEN surplus. Should I buy more of the HE/HF? //Anders __________________ Of all the money e'er I had, I spent it in good company. And all the harm I've ever done, Alas! it was to none but me. And all I've done for want of wit To mem'ry now I can't recall So fill to me the parting glass Good night and joy be with you all. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...or/FALclub.jpg

June 17, 2012, 10:34	#7
richbug Registered FALaholic #: 10484 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,776	What diameter are those bullets? They look very similar to some I pulled from VKT 7.62x54R.

June 17, 2012, 11:53	#10
ammolab Registered FALaholic #: 10923 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,692	CMJ? Complete metal jacket most likely. "Green Ammo" for indoor shooting or other areas that have a "lead concern". Not a NATO spec round in that matter and I see the feed issue in a FAL but many other weapons may feed that just fine. It must be some pretty recent mfg to not just use a lead core, exposed base NATO FMJ.

June 17, 2012, 12:11	#12
Anders Registered FALaholic #: 511 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Svitjod Posts: 218	What do you think......should I continue to use the ammo in my FAL? The fact that the first two rounds from the magazine failed to feed/eject properly must happen since the ammo is underpowered the friction from the rounds in the fully loaded magazine is "too much" for the bolt....?? From round 18 it works OK......but I have to adjust the gas all the way to #3. //A __________________ Of all the money e'er I had, I spent it in good company. And all the harm I've ever done, Alas! it was to none but me. And all I've done for want of wit To mem'ry now I can't recall So fill to me the parting glass Good night and joy be with you all. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...or/FALclub.jpg

June 17, 2012, 13:31	#13
ammolab Registered FALaholic #: 10923 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,692	Clearly NOT a reload with the Factory Primer crimp and seal in place. Could be loaded up on NEW Singapore primed cases or simply loaded by the Singaport plant with those "CMJ" bullets. Either way... not a reload on a fired cartridge case.

June 18, 2012, 21:55	#14
jefferyc22 Banned FALaholic #: 18245 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: PNW Posts: 3,445	How much a round did you pay for it?

June 18, 2012, 22:38	#15
Illurian00 Registered FALaholic #: 28599 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,436	http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73477

June 19, 2012, 12:16	#18
Illurian00 Registered FALaholic #: 28599 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,436	At .20 per rnd. I'd be tempted to shoot more of it,,,just to be sure....

June 19, 2012, 21:03	#19
tac556-1 Registered FALaholic #: 19694 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 229	Pulled down singapore, then loaded with the weird bullets. Not a completely uncommon thing as we seen military ammo get pulled down for components frequently for various reasons. So that is my guess.

June 20, 2012, 05:49	#20
MK ULTRA Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 2382 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,315	Is it boxer primed? If so Id buy more. I would mic that bullet though. Did you buy it online? __________________ O $HIT MK ULTRA.....OUT..... They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, Statesman and Inventor: 1759 Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.....

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