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Old April 18, 2019, 11:30   #1
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Death of empathy

I found this an interesting article as it relates to what will happen to us. The article of course has a liberal bias ( a teacher having children write Soviets about nuclear war). And I think that bias what has lead to the death of empathy. Empathy not moderated with logical thought is the problem. And the do gooders have over used it and desenitizied the general population. The issue becomes once you have no empathy what then. That is the real difference between socialists and communists. From the article I can see the rise of AOC and Bernie with the young because of the loss of this empathy and the rise of the ME first thought process. It is these folks that will not have a problem sending us to the camps.
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Old April 18, 2019, 11:39   #2
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Empathy is just another word in the tool box of socialist.it's almost a weapon when used just like using the word racist or homophobe etc. To declare someone to not be empathetic is to say they are unfit for the job.

To get around how words are used as weapons you have to take control back of the conversation, don't let the socialist give the meanings of the words.

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Old April 18, 2019, 11:44   #3
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I would argue we have more overall empathy than any other time in history...
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During WWII and the Korean War, empathy was properly reserved, only for the parents of the dead.

Empathy is overrated bullshit.
How would cops, First Responders, ER workers, surgeons, etc go on, after death after death?

Unlike those crazy, Hollywood Fire and Hospital shows.......... it is NORMAL to not cry after each call. Surgeons bury plenty of mistakes, as do anesthesiologists, first responders etc. You do not have to cry for dead cats or dogs that are not your own family members.



The psycho commies want you to think that you have to cry each time a cat or dog dies in a fire or an accident, or a person of color, or a person gets cancer or dies/expires...........bullshit.

Life goes on without much empathy needed. Life is hard, GET HARD.

Scum want empathy to exist so that it will cost you $$$$, time and effort to take on some burden that is not yours at all, THAT HILLARY VILLAGE SHIT AGAIN!
Give to charity if you will, but only those who make their charges rehab themselves.

50% of people out there want to steal from you, either via telemarketers or via the DNC. Empathy? Hahaha.

Only estrogen and oxytocin carriers and faggoted men cry, like after Hillary's defeat, and they now demand that we have empathy for Hillary and cancel our racist votes.

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I'm not personally much of an empath. Maybe it's due to my background or maybe its just that I'm completely tired of the culture wars and other people's bullshit; I don't know. But it seems like every homeless person that accosts me for a dollar, every bleeding heart in the news, every "leader" who wants me to give a little more for ________ - they all seem like maybe they should've made better choices and/or put forth a little more effort and maybe they wouldn't be where they are?

Bad things happen to good people all the time and I feel compassion for them as I can empathize with their plight. But most of the people begging for my empathy don't really want it; they want something material from me and...no. Most of their calls sound like whining to me.



Now...as to the youngest generation. I can belief they're bereft of empathy. Too many of them are selfish bastards who have had too much handed to them and parents who fought all their battles. Of course they'd put themselves over anyone else. That's how their parents raised them so why would that magically change when they reach adulthood?
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What is the consequence of empathy? Empathy motivates action. Otherwise, what's the point. "Oh, wow, dude - that really sucks." And then walk away? Or "here, let me help you . .. "

Empathy is a call to action.

Empathy is a wonderful thing for motivating local private charity.

Empathy is a horrible and irrational basis for public policy.

There are those who are in hardship for events outside their control. Private charity can choose to mitigate this hardship.

There are those who are in hardship due to bad behavior choices. Private charity can choose to mitigate this hardship. They can put conditions on it, and cut it off if they realize that they are only enabling a continuation of those bad behavior choices.

In private charity, giver and the receiver have a relationship, even if only vicariously. They might not physically go to Haiti with Food for Poor, but they can follow the good works their charity creates. The giver is blessed and the receiver is grateful.

Public policy action based on "empathy" (welfare), removes from equations the direct charity, the monitoring, and the behavior conditions. It makes both the giver and receiver resentful. The giver hasn't given - it was taken. There is no blessing because there is no choice. And the receiver becomes resentful and entitled - demanding ever more without addressing the issues that put them in their hardship. The giver is not a person altruistically desiring to help them. It is a beurocrat who "owes them".

Empathy is emotion and fickle.

Empathy leading to private charity can afford to be emotional, because they have the ability to redirect their efforts.

Empathy leading to public policy cannot afford to be emotional, because the administrative agency becomes its own rai·son d'ê·tre (reason for being), disconnected from their purpose and with no cost for misdirection. And it becomes nearly impossible to discontinue, once its created.

A friend of mine was an IT guy who was redesigning the Phoenix DES computer systems back in the early 90s. When running database tests, he discovered thousands of cases of duplicate social security numbers and thousands of duplicate addresses. He brought this evidence of suspected welfare fraud to the supervisor, who promptly fired him. DES got their funding based on the number of recipients - not the number of legal, qualified recipients. Weeding out fraud and corruption would reduce their numbers and their budget. DES as an administrative agency had - as it's reason for being - itself. Its own growth and expansion. Not the taxpayer money of which they were custodians. Not the people it was to serve.
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Old April 18, 2019, 16:07   #8
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From a political standpoint, Mark has hit the nail on the head.


Empathy is a vital part of what makes us 'human'.

With the increased use of technology, I believe empathy has been diminishing in younger generations. This isn't more 'bash on anyone younger than you' again, it's the fact that countless hours on the internet and cell phone devices has a dehumanizing impact on human interactions. It's clearly also impacting older folks but perhaps not as much, but impacting nonethelss.

It's the difference between recklessly calling someone a Klansman on the internet pages vs. saying it to someone's face and seeing their reaction, be it hurt, anger, outrage, or pride as the case may be. It's all the venom and evil and indifference and character assassination. It's kids heckling other kids to the point where they hang themsleves. It's not having self-esteem or self-worth or belief in something greather than one's self, but rather how many likes or followers you get.

The busy pace and overcrowding in urban and suburban areas also contributes to lack of empathy. Thats not a family with kids...that's an asshole Car who cut you off and now you're going to shoot at the fukking car to get even. Never mind the humans in it, who have hopes and dreams and problems and bills to pay and a newborn baby.

Without proper empathy we're just killing machines consuming resources in competition with any other machine that gets in the way. I think that was a line from Blade Runner... "it's empathy that separates us from the machines". Also heavily explored in PKD's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (upon which the movie was based, of course).
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I think that was a line from Blade Runner... "it's empathy that separates us from the machines". Also heavily explored in PKD's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (upon which the movie was based, of course).
One of my favorites of all time. The "Voigt-Kampff" Test:


https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Voight-Kampff_test
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From a political standpoint, Mark has hit the nail on the head.


Empathy is a vital part of what makes us 'human'.

With the increased use of technology, I believe empathy has been diminishing in younger generations. This isn't more 'bash on anyone younger than you' again, it's the fact that countless hours on the internet and cell phone devices has a dehumanizing impact on human interactions. It's clearly also impacting older folks but perhaps not as much, but impacting nonethelss.

It's the difference between recklessly calling someone a Klansman on the internet pages vs. saying it to someone's face and seeing their reaction, be it hurt, anger, outrage, or pride as the case may be. It's all the venom and evil and indifference and character assassination. It's kids heckling other kids to the point where they hang themsleves. It's not having self-esteem or self-worth or belief in something greather than one's self, but rather how many likes or followers you get.

The busy pace and overcrowding in urban and suburban areas also contributes to lack of empathy. Thats not a family with kids...that's an asshole Car who cut you off and now you're going to shoot at the fukking car to get even. Never mind the humans in it, who have hopes and dreams and problems and bills to pay and a newborn baby.

Without proper empathy we're just killing machines consuming resources in competition with any other machine that gets in the way. I think that was a line from Blade Runner... "it's empathy that separates us from the machines". Also heavily explored in PKD's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (upon which the movie was based, of course).
I am gonna say what we have is so much division that we don't care what others think anymore. The media has lost all empathy with their audience and has become bald face liars with no shame at all. Same with the politicians, the Kavenaugh hearings were a perfect example of bald face liars. All empathy has gone and liars have taken its place.
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I am gonna say what we have is so much division that we don't care what others think anymore. The media has lost all empathy with their audience and has become bald face liars with no shame at all. Same with the politicians, the Kavenaugh hearings were a perfect example of bald face liars. All empathy has gone and liars have taken its place.
What the media has lost is credibility, not empathy. And they've always been bald faced liars. The only thing new here is some folks are starting to catch on. It's getting harder for them to pretend impartiality so they're beginning to change the narrative and push the 'conservative vs liberal' thing.
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Yes, there is a growing lack of empathy for innocents being taken advantage of. I call it a lack of basic humanity and civility. When you see a vid of some thug whacking an old woman up side the head and people are standing around making said video, it pretty much sums it up like forrest says.

As far as the article, in this country the lines are being drawn. The commies are basically saying you need to feel sorry for the things or you're a nazi. It's contrived derision to create division. For instance, I don't look at society through the lenses of an Antifa. I would give them no quarter as they would me if it came down to brass tacks.

When people's ideologies employ tactics of pseudo subjugation by "look at it through our eyes" or we will destroy you in our own little way, they are trying make you feel better about theft of human capital. That ain't live and let live like most of what I learned in life.

All men were created equal. What you do after that is up to you. Fukc it up and well you should starve if you don't work. Those infirmed at birth and old age or with true disabilities are the only people that should get a pass. And I'm not talking about people who destroyed their health by not moderating things to an extent.

In a nutshell the nanny state takes care of it's subjects. 75 years ago people pretty much took care of each other. When the fukc ups did too much fucken, up they were culled and got their cell phones taken away so to speak.
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From a political standpoint, Mark has hit the nail on the head.


Empathy is a vital part of what makes us 'human'.

With the increased use of technology, I believe empathy has been diminishing in younger generations. This isn't more 'bash on anyone younger than you' again, it's the fact that countless hours on the internet and cell phone devices has a dehumanizing impact on human interactions. It's clearly also impacting older folks but perhaps not as much, but impacting nonethelss.

It's the difference between recklessly calling someone a Klansman on the internet pages vs. saying it to someone's face and seeing their reaction, be it hurt, anger, outrage, or pride as the case may be. It's all the venom and evil and indifference and character assassination. It's kids heckling other kids to the point where they hang themsleves. It's not having self-esteem or self-worth or belief in something greather than one's self, but rather how many likes or followers you get.

The busy pace and overcrowding in urban and suburban areas also contributes to lack of empathy. Thats not a family with kids...that's an asshole Car who cut you off and now you're going to shoot at the fukking car to get even. Never mind the humans in it, who have hopes and dreams and problems and bills to pay and a newborn baby.

Without proper empathy we're just killing machines consuming resources in competition with any other machine that gets in the way. I think that was a line from Blade Runner... "it's empathy that separates us from the machines". Also heavily explored in PKD's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (upon which the movie was based, of course).
I agree with a great part of what you stated Tak

my opinion there is way more to it though

Okay muddle through this with me...
Were kids suiciding themselves over being bullied back in the 70s ?
not really and yeah youngsters have ALWAYS been BRUTAL

I remember all the ethnic Joke Books
Swede Jokes
Polock Jokes
Wop Jokes
etc etc etc and yeah that's how they were titled
Nobody got all offended

Shit Archie Bunker was about the most popular TV show in America
Why ?
Because we all knew an Archie. Maybe he was annoying but hell it wasn't worth bitching over, nobody wanted to be the Meathead.

Chico and the Man
Sanford & Son
The Jeffersons
heck even Threes Company for gay stereotypes

Then it all started to devolve round abouts the mid 80s
by 1990 with Clinton in office everything started to be normalized
The Societal Crash happened rapidly
For example by Clinton's second term it became fashionable for homosexuals to come out of the closet

I can on and on regarding these dramatic changes in Western Culture

Topical to events current consider most of the great Cathedrals of Europe
They are actually little used for religious events anymore. They have became Concert venues among other things. Seem to recall Notre Dame hosted a few Gay Pride events

Iceland was once an extremely Conservative Nation
these days the have multiple massive Gay Pride events

Contrast Israel of then versus now

It's an overwrought sense of Empathy that brought us to this
Look at the DAPL protests in ND...98% of that was empathetic White Progressives
Many BLM protests amounted to the same
Gun Control event count on this new sense of empathetic Social Justice, some illusory Right to be "Safe"

What the rapid paced development of tech has done is broadened the field & scope of causes they can get emotionally behind. In that it's been a total game changer

in my opinion most folks are simple Eloi Tak
Those who know me will tell you I am the same in person as online
main problem is sarcasm & humor often don't transilate well within forum posts.
Try some good natured ribbing of another party and some will just howl & scream, they just don't get the Joke.
and yeah that's all a lot of the drama on forums really is
bunch of dicks playing who can be the bigger Asshole to some other guy.

I don't see it as a lack of empathy, the problem is there is too damn much of it today

We are verging on entering the world of Demolition Man and to that I will apply Edgar Friendly's immortal rant to Stallone about these matters:

"You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green jello all over my body reading playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
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Yes, there is a growing lack of empathy for innocents being taken advantage of. I call it a lack of basic humanity and civility. When you see a vid of some thug whacking an old woman up side the head and people are standing around making said video, it pretty much sums it up like forrest says.

As far as the article, in this country the lines are being drawn. The commies are basically saying you need to feel sorry for the things or you're a nazi. It's contrived derision to create division. For instance, I don't look at society through the lenses of an Antifa. I would give them no quarter as they would me if it came down to brass tacks.

When people's ideologies employ tactics of pseudo subjugation by "look at it through our eyes" or we will destroy you in our own little way, they are trying make you feel better about theft of human capital. That ain't live and let live like most of what I learned in life.

All men were created equal. What you do after that is up to you. Fukc it up and well you should starve if you don't work. Those infirmed at birth and old age or with true disabilities are the only people that should get a pass. And I'm not talking about people who destroyed their health by not moderating things to an extent.

In a nutshell the nanny state takes care of it's subjects. 75 years ago people pretty much took care of each other. When the fukc ups did too much fucken, up they were culled and got their cell phones taken away so to speak.
Well again most people are Eloi MB
Folks have been walking by dying people, even active rapes for decades
Seen this shit first hand too many times, most folks won't get involved with someone else's drama

Difference today is they cam the event up which is arguably better than shuttering a tragedy out and going about their business

Remember the gang rape of the Central Park Jogger ?
There were assholes just walking by, nobody assisted, shit nobody even ran to a payphone for a 911 call
Oh there were witnesses. Cops sent some of the wrong people up on that one. Nobody came forward to say, nope that Black kid wasn't even there Piggies.
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I don't see it as a lack of empathy, the problem is there is too damn much of it today
Don't confuse empathy with things like blind acceptance (aka modern 'tolernance') and oversensativity driven by self-imposed guilt (white or otherwise) and the general de-masculinization of of society.

Empathy is vital. The other things are destructive.

One can still be a hard ass, thick-skinned mothertrucker chok full of good old common sense, but still have a healthy sense of human empathy.
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The electric chair was developed, because people loved public hangings so damn much.

Pubic hangings up to the 1890's, always drummed up a lot of business, and it became a town or city holiday,with drinking carousing and a general get together celebration, to pat each other on the back and say "we're ok," as the bad guy swung and presented an example of the law to all, including BLM of the day.

Liberals/progressives thought that the electric chair was the solution as it cut down on public access to old sparky inside the prisons.

It cut down access, but increased crimes due to lack of public input.

Empathy for the condemned ended at the shouts of "see you in hell". Empathy for the wronged was usually way too late.
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The electric chair was developed, because people loved public hangings so damn much.

Pubic hangings up to the 1890's, always drummed up a lot of business, and it became a town or city holiday,with drinking carousing and a general get together celebration, to pat each other on the back and say "we're ok," as the bad guy swung and presented an example of the law to all, including BLM of the day.

Liberals/progressives thought that the electric chair was the solution as it cut down on public access to old sparky inside the prisons.

It cut down access, but increased crimes due to lack of public input.

Empathy for the condemned ended at the shouts of "see you in hell". Empathy for the wronged was usually way too late.
Well not really

The creation of the Chair was a publicity stunt by that charlatan Tommy Edison to convince the public of the incredibly lethal nature of Tesla's Alternating Current versus his benign Direct Current

Yeah Progressives initially endorsed it's use, well until a number of cons were broiled alive in the Edison Chairs
Problem was by then States had invested major money in another Edison scam & Liberals being what they are refused to denounce them

But you are at least half right V
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Don't confuse empathy with things like blind acceptance (aka modern 'tolernance') and oversensativity driven by self-imposed guilt (white or otherwise) and the general de-masculinization of of society.

Empathy is vital. The other things are destructive.

One can still be a hard ass, thick-skinned mothertrucker chok full of good old common sense, but still have a healthy sense of human empathy.
I hear you and understand where you are coming from Tak but like all things the defining characteristics of being empathetic have greatly changed

I see it all in play constantly on forums
again, I have one member here who has referred many times to me as "homophobic" which I find utterly comical
Similarly I have been shouted down as a "Nazi"
mind you both have occurred in the FALfiles

I guess I tend to interpet some historical events differently than those hung up on Greatest Generation Progressive Propaganda promoted by media Goofs

Part of it is that we have zero cultural memory over many things
Take the Battle of Berlin
Yes the Red Army slaughtered and raped up civilians, a common thing
then again a fair number of those civilians were combatants during the death throes of the Reich...Little German girls were taking pot shots at Red troops.

This happens everywhere in combat. Vietnam was bloody for it. Got so our guys were not even able to trust kiddos. They got too close you just waxed them.

Israel...
They deal with a very young population of kids in Gaza & West Bank who go to school learning how Jews should be exterminated
Not surprisingly they too have little empathy towards potential child bombers

In short this empathy thing is very situational and greatly depends on who you are

These days folks have rapid access to data regarding cops doing bad shoots
Years ago, well maybe if you lived in an Urban neighborhood you heard about it.
It all gives a perception Police are Bad Actors, well they are not generally speaking but the veil has been lifted and folks are seeing real bullshit Tak
just look at the back and forth over the Waco Biker mass murder thread.
Most are like Fuk the Cops in that one but couple outright defend it
Who shows this empathy you speak so highly of ?
It's a construct.

Again most folks won't stop for others
I have been the actual 1st Responder it a few bad wreaks in my life. Most cases everyone else minded their own business and drove on. Watched this, seen it.

More Urbanized areas are just like that
you get more rural folks tend to still have a fair chunk of soul.

Why are folks shitting on sidewalks in west coast cities ?
because passerbys refuse to do anything
Empathy is also dealing with somebody so trashed they shit on the streets in one's own community
That directive tho is overwritten by being a good little Eloi.

I'm amazed
We had a real problem in the Valley up here with Somali shitting in public, nope they wouldn't even seek out the refuge of an alley to loose a turd
Few years ago, big investigation
Somali was found beaten half dead, pants around the ankles, turd all over the place. The perps in that one were suspected to be Latino.
Heard through LE channels it was happening more and more often.
Curious though, as the number of whoop ups increased the number of random sidewalk defacations decreased though the Alley turds have went up
It's like training a puppy sort of and the change should be towards a Social Empathy

No, just because you are African don't mean you get to wipe your ass where I walk. Honestly if I ran into a serial shitter dropping a gooey load on the sidewalk I'd likely put a boot heel upside his head day or night.
Here's my thing
True Story time
I have been walking back from the bar get one of these things where it may feel like a fart but you know it's more than that.
Sure, went back in City alleys and blew my ass out
You just found a dark corner street people used as a Sewer

The worst of bums even in Urban areas never shit publically, this is a very new thing and it almost being encouraged out west as part of understanding homelessness
That's the New Empathy Tak
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Empathy can only be applied on a personal,one-to-one basis. Once you lose sight of the one you are expressing empathy for,you lose the control of who receives your empathy. It could go to someone who neither deserves it,or even wants it,and would be wasted.
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Empathy... is a good thing. We would live in a very dark and cold world without it.

There were statements about cops, soldiers, first responders, doctors ect who routinely encounter death and experience the dark side of human nature, stating that they do not cry after every incident. That is true. But they do cry.

When life smashes down on a person or family, I feel that it is important for the community to come together to prop them back up. Whether it be a tornado that ravages a town, a bread winner who was killed by a drunk driver leaving behind a mother with four kids, the daughter who dies in her sleep of a freak unforeseen heart issue, the little boy who was kidnapped, raped, tortured and left for dead (and unfortunate enough to have survived). We find ourselves empathetic because even though it didn't affect us directly, it still hurts... deep down in the soul. We help... after all, it could have been us. We would hope for the same.

But for whatever reason, our society has abused the word empathy to the point that it has lost meaning. The people who need empathy and help don't get it, and those who abuse it are rewarded. One quick example.... our welfare system. I have no qualms using tax dollars to prop a family up onto their feet after life throws a hard curve ball... in fact, I am a proponent. But simply shelling out $$$ to anyone who wimpers and whines, with zero accountability, helps nobody. We have asshats leaching off of the system with no incentive to get a job or better themselves (or care for their children ect), but then you have a suddenly single mother with two kids who cannot afford daycare (even with public assistance $$$) while she hunts for a job. Maybe if we used empathy, along with some common sense accountability, the people who need help will receive it, and those abusing it will get the boot.

Another issue that bugs the shit out of me... the whole LGBT whatever agenda. Personally, I don't give a shyt if a person wants to dress up or live their life as a difference sex, color, animal, whatever.... stay in your lane, I'll stay in mine. Society has propped these people up as persons who deserve empathy and special treatment. Confused children and teenagers gravitate to this behavior not because they are confused about their sexuality, but because they seek empathy.... which is gross and degrades those who truelly have issues trying to find themselves.

….or empathy toward illegals? I have zero empathy for a car load of illegals, none of which speak English, have zero identification, driving in an uninsured vehicle, that just t-boned another vehicle at a four way intersection. They take off running. No accountability. Who deserves the empthy… the family that was just struck by the illegal aliens, or the illegal aliens themselves?

On the flipside, I stop a work van returning home from a jobsite. Both guys have been working their asses off, they speak solid English, but are illegal aliens with no driver's license. They are both married, have kids in elementary school, and the van is legally registered to the driver's wife, who is a legal resident. They are extremely respectful, and honest. They state that they have been working to become legal residence for many years, even provide contacts and paperwork showing that they are. I am now towing their vehicle (busy x-way), and dropping them off at a rest stop with a citation for driving without license (with personal information found on their application for citizenship documentation). Yeah, I have empathy for these people, and wonder why the hell we cannot get these people citizenship. They have a lot more to offer to our Country as Americans than a large percentage of our legal freeloaders.

….and no, I am not a proponent for issuing driver's licenses to illegals. I am a proponent to kicking illegal freeloaders out of our Country, and providing a productive pathway to citizenship for those who have proven that they WILL contribute and WANT to Americans, while shutting down access to all current and future illegal immigrants attempting to cross our borders.


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Empathy... is a good thing. We would line in a very dark and cold world without it.

I am a proponent to kicking illegal freeloaders our of our Country, and providing a productive pathway to citizenship to those who have proven that they WILL contribute and WANT to Americans, while shutting down access to all current and future illegal immigrants attempting to cross our borders.


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Empathy was designed by God so that you would stay and protect your family. It is based upon love and attachment for your kin.

The Hatfields and McCoys demonstrate this very limited feature of humankind in action about your kin.

Hurricane Katrina, and its aftermath in the NOLA Superdome, well I am glad I was not there, in the human shit and chaos.

After all, a huge world wide Gay convention was scheduled for NOLA that week; funny how NOLA was hit again 2 weeks later. Who says that God does not have a sense of humor.

My empathy ended when it became apparent about all the FEMA $$$$ abuses about chainsaws, rehab, trailers, hotel rooms, alotments, etc. Mayor of NOLA Ray Nagin went to jail over it all. Where is that famous pic of the looter?

I was safe and taking care of my own at the time, empathetic about them only, but I gave to the Red Cross and gave blood. End of empathy for me.

Red Cross workers also get paid. American Sniper was supposedly there knocking off looters, but that is an urban legend of "empathy", for those not stealing.


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Empathy... is a good thing. We would live in a very dark and cold world without it.

There were statements about cops, soldiers, first responders, doctors ect who routinely encounter death and experience the dark side of human nature, stating that they do not cry after every incident. That is true. But they do cry.

When life smashes down on a person or family, I feel that it is important for the community to come together to prop them back up. Whether it be a tornado that ravages a town, a bread winner who was killed by a drunk driver leaving behind a mother with four kids, the daughter who dies in her sleep of a freak unforeseen heart issue, the little boy who was kidnapped, raped, tortured and left for dead (and unfortunate enough to have survived). We find ourselves empathetic because even though it didn't affect us directly, it still hurts... deep down in the soul. We help... after all, it could have been us. We would hope for the same.

But for whatever reason, our society has abused the word empathy to the point that it has lost meaning. The people who need empathy and help don't get it, and those who abuse it are rewarded. One quick example.... our welfare system. I have no qualms using tax dollars to prop a family up onto their feet after life throws a hard curve ball... in fact, I am a proponent. But simply shelling out $$$ to anyone who wimpers and whines, with zero accountability, helps nobody. We have asshats leaching off of the system with no incentive to get a job or better themselves (or care for their children ect), but then you have a suddenly single mother with two kids who cannot afford daycare (even with public assistance $$$) while she hunts for a job. Maybe if we used empathy, along with some common sense accountability, the people who need help will receive it, and those abusing it will get the boot.

Another issue that bugs the shit out of me... the whole LGBT whatever agenda. Personally, I don't give a shyt if a person wants to dress up or live their life as a difference sex, color, animal, whatever.... stay in your lane, I'll stay in mine. Society has propped these people up as persons who deserve empathy and special treatment. Confused children and teenagers gravitate to this behavior not because they are confused about their sexuality, but because they seek empathy.... which is gross and degrades those who truelly have issues trying to find themselves.

….or empathy toward illegals? I have zero empathy for a car load of illegals, none of which speak English, have zero identification, driving in an uninsured vehicle, that just t-boned another vehicle at a four way intersection. They take off running. No accountability. Who deserves the empthy… the family that was just struck by the illegal aliens, or the illegal aliens themselves?

On the flipside, I stop a work van returning home from a jobsite. Both guys have been working their asses off, they speak solid English, but are illegal aliens with no driver's license. They are both married, have kids in elementary school, and the van is legally registered to the driver's wife, who is a legal resident. They are extremely respectful, and honest. They state that they have been working to become legal residence for many years, even provide contacts and paperwork showing that they are. I am now towing their vehicle (busy x-way), and dropping them off at a rest stop with a citation for driving without license (with personal information found on their application for citizenship documentation). Yeah, I have empathy for these people, and wonder why the hell we cannot get these people citizenship. They have a lot more to offer to our Country as Americans than a large percentage of our legal freeloaders.

….and no, I am not a proponent for issuing driver's licenses to illegals. I am a proponent to kicking illegal freeloaders out of our Country, and providing a productive pathway to citizenship for those who have proven that they WILL contribute and WANT to Americans, while shutting down access to all current and future illegal immigrants attempting to cross our borders.


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Great Post, can't argue a bit of it LJ

On the Welfare side of it it's real bad for single moms that are neck deep in the system. I will share two examples:

Know one gal who had HUD, Food Assistance, you name it.
Auntie passes on, leaves Lori 11K. Well gal tell her caseworker who advises her to spend every bit of it immediately otherwise she loses HUD and it will take months to get back on it once the cash she was left is spent. So she buys a used car, new furniture, TV, AV components, clothes, I helped her burn it all up in maybe 4 days.
Lori hated doing it but there was really no other alternative

Another really smart lady, had been a fashion model ended up knocked up & married the bastard who abandoned her pretty quick. She ended up in the system. Thing is Denise had less than a year to a business major so I help her apply to a pile of foundations...we worked her up easily enough grant money for a Masters.

Well she proudly explains her plans to Caseworker who shakes her head, Honey you realize you accept these Grants they become income and you lose HUD as well as everything else.
Well it wouldn't balance out in the end. She had a daughter with medical issues and a young son thus she had to turn down the Grants and stay stuck in the blackhole of Welfare.

The term often applied to programs is that of a "Safety Net"
Well Nets are also designed to trap things
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Pure Socialism assumes all will be subject to the same privileges without favour according to our needs,,, that has been proven to be humanly impossible,,, we all will favour those we have some infinity for, and they us,,, it's human nature,,, and I need a castle with a mote around it,,, find a cure for human nature and it might actually work for ten minutes,,, threat of annihilation is not a cure as is currently being used.
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RSS, with all due respect, I never knew of any woman who was a looker, who was not able to climb out of any hole and succeed, unless she had drug issues or workers compensation disability issues, where a pension was involved for some sort of disability or back problem.

Men are usually 5 deep in line to date any woman prettier than a 7. Doors open to pretty women like an escalator.

Welfare wants people to get educated, and will pay. I know of many examples of that happening. Only when a SS disability pension or a workers comp disability pension is involved, does the claw back of benefits occur.

Public housing has income limits, but that is a different deal, and even then free tuition is available to beat that deal in the head to get out of that public housing deal.
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What the media has lost is credibility, not empathy. And they've always been bald faced liars. The only thing new here is some folks are starting to catch on. It's getting harder for them to pretend impartiality so they're beginning to change the narrative and push the 'conservative vs liberal' thing.
After pondering this a bit there is truth in your words but I wonder if folks really understand the truth. Of course it's my take but tb59 shook the tree with his comment on Greely and Hearst. It wasn't long before the big picture formed but again why go there. Everyone here has there own opinions and mine are no better or worse than theirs but I do offer a different look.
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RSS, with all due respect, I never knew of any woman who was a looker, who was not able to climb out of any hole and succeed, unless she had drug issues or workers compensation disability issues, where a pension was involved for some sort of disability or back problem.

Men are usually 5 deep in line to date any woman prettier than a 7. Doors open to pretty women like an escalator.

Welfare wants people to get educated, and will pay. I know of many examples of that happening. Only when a SS disability pension or a workers comp disability pension is involved, does the claw back of benefits occur.

Public housing has income limits, but that is a different deal, and even then free tuition is available to beat that deal in the head to get out of that public housing deal.
I was waiting for this, not really from you either.

The premise you promote is get married, get a Man to support right ?
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I was waiting for this, not really from you either.

The premise you promote is get married, get a Man to support right ?
It is God’s will.
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Too bad God rarely gets what he wants from us,,, maybe it's different in heaven,,, which this ain't,,, mores the pity.
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Too bad God rarely gets what he wants from us,,, maybe it's different in heaven,,, which this ain't,,, mores the pity.
Well, if everyone who believes gets an eternal “get out of jail free card,” where is the incentive, if that person lacks the moral foundation/aptitude to treat others as he/she would treat their self?

Society loses it’s humanity when people invest too much in the the values of external entities/institutions, rather than their own intuition.


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After pondering this a bit there is truth in your words but I wonder if folks really understand the truth. Of course it's my take but tb59 shook the tree with his comment on Greely and Hearst. It wasn't long before the big picture formed but again why go there. Everyone here has there own opinions and mine are no better or worse than theirs but I do offer a different look.
That's the thing Jim. Some opinions ARE better than others. Some are complete bullshit, diametrically at odds with the truth. Because there IS truth out there. Not all opinions are equal, in fact very few are. It's up to thinking people to sort them out, it's why God gave ya a brain.

This is why we go there. To separate the truth from the nonsense. We keep the truth and dispose of the nonsense, as we should do with those peddling it.
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That's the thing Jim. Some opinions ARE better than others. Some are complete bullshit, diametrically at odds with the truth. Because there IS truth out there. Not all opinions are equal, in fact very few are. It's up to thinking people to sort them out, it's why God gave ya a brain.

This is why we go there. To separate the truth from the nonsense. We keep the truth and dispose of the nonsense, as we should do with those peddling it.
Not all opinions are equal is probably the most truth to of what you say but I think who you voice it to is just as important. You can voice facts, truth and informed opinion to people that it's totally wasted on because they just don't or won't agree no matter what.

Add to that the empathy of seeing where opposite opinions come from, empathy dies when only one side is heard.
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Nope.

The Lawyer grandson I raised, had a dad, still does. Dad was a heroin addict and went to prison for a decade for bank robbery.
He got out, took advantage of the system again, got sent to college-CCNY, got a bachelors degree and a masters degree, and is now working for the City of NY at a high salary. Never a dime to me, and the guy is on a list for new lungs on top of it.

Ex brother in law. Came from Sweden. Got into some sort of educational benefit program for green card holders..............went to SU, got a degree in Architecture.

A woman I know, was a looker, is a back pain oxy addict, was in public housing. Never married. Got an increase in her workers comp and was being evicted from PHousing.
I told her about the FED benefits available for moving expenses and supplemental payments for persons in her situation. PH erupted in fury over $$$$$ it had to pay out. I had her contact the our Congresswoman, who got her the $$$$$. PH is still pissed.

My first cousin, got married at age 17, had 7 kids..........a good looking welfare queen after husband left. She got the same college education on the county/state, became a teacher and finally retired a few years ago. As a good looker, she looks like Angeline Jolies sister, even today at age 73.

Another woman was an oxyaddict for back pain. 40 years on the workers comp/SS pension conflict system. Re-training offered to her too, many times.
always refused any help; liked where she was.

It is all how you play the system today, and what you ultimately want to do. Marriage never enters the equation today.....it is a boat anchor resulting in loss of benefits for welfare queens to anyone else.........
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Nope.

The Lawyer grandson I raised, had a dad, still does. Dad was a heroin addict and went to prison for a decade for bank robbery.
He got out, took advantage of the system again, got sent to college-CCNY, got a bachelors degree and a masters degree, and is now working for the City of NY at a high salary. Never a dime to me, and the guy is on a list for new lungs on top of it.

Ex brother in law. Came from Sweden. Got into some sort of educational benefit program for green card holders..............went to SU, got a degree in Architecture.

A woman I know, was a looker, is a back pain oxy addict, was in public housing. Never married. Got an increase in her workers comp and was being evicted from PHousing.
I told her about the FED benefits available for moving expenses and supplemental payments for persons in her situation. PH erupted in fury over $$$$$ it had to pay out. I had her contact the our Congresswoman, who got her the $$$$$. PH is still pissed.

My first cousin, got married at age 17, had 7 kids..........a good looking welfare queen after husband left. She got the same college education on the county/state, became a teacher and finally retired a few years ago. As a good looker, she looks like Angeline Jolies sister, even today at age 73.

Another woman was an oxyaddict for back pain. 40 years on the workers comp/SS pension conflict system. Re-training offered to her too, many times.
always refused any help; liked where she was.

It is all how you play the system today, and what you ultimately want to do. Marriage never enters the equation today.....it is a boat anchor resulting in loss of benefits for welfare queens to anyone else.........
There is a term for these kind of people that is seldom used because people don't understand the context. The term or name fits to a T because it totally discribes life to them. Typ and J are the epitome of the term but in reality it's not even a negative name. They are free men without the burdens of citizenship and in some cases the burden of religion. They are Hobos to the culture.
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Now I am all for marriage, but most times it does not work out and today, many just don't bother.

My issue with women is that they are women, not men, thank god. They are not suited for most male professions due to their brain/homone cycles that makes them nesters, one minute, psycho menstrual beings the next, and need to go shopping the next, and not work.

God made wine and valium for the current generations of women, so that they can deal with being women.
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Liberal empathy= can I ride this to office?

Conservative empathy= will I lose my office over this?
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Liberal empathy - property is theft!
Conservative empathy - liberals are theives!
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Old April 22, 2019, 11:58   #45
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Liberal empathy on crime, " a crime by one is a crime by all and you must give up your guns"

Conservative empathy, "ya he killed 50 with a gun but he should have had better training"
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Old April 22, 2019, 15:20   #46
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Nope.

The Lawyer grandson I raised, had a dad, still does. Dad was a heroin addict and went to prison for a decade for bank robbery.
He got out, took advantage of the system again, got sent to college-CCNY, got a bachelors degree and a masters degree, and is now working for the City of NY at a high salary. Never a dime to me, and the guy is on a list for new lungs on top of it.

Ex brother in law. Came from Sweden. Got into some sort of educational benefit program for green card holders..............went to SU, got a degree in Architecture.

A woman I know, was a looker, is a back pain oxy addict, was in public housing. Never married. Got an increase in her workers comp and was being evicted from PHousing.
I told her about the FED benefits available for moving expenses and supplemental payments for persons in her situation. PH erupted in fury over $$$$$ it had to pay out. I had her contact the our Congresswoman, who got her the $$$$$. PH is still pissed.

My first cousin, got married at age 17, had 7 kids..........a good looking welfare queen after husband left. She got the same college education on the county/state, became a teacher and finally retired a few years ago. As a good looker, she looks like Angeline Jolies sister, even today at age 73.

Another woman was an oxyaddict for back pain. 40 years on the workers comp/SS pension conflict system. Re-training offered to her too, many times.
always refused any help; liked where she was.

It is all how you play the system today, and what you ultimately want to do. Marriage never enters the equation today.....it is a boat anchor resulting in loss of benefits for welfare queens to anyone else.........
Yes MN has many programs available too
You can easily obtain funding for a two year AVTI or community college that will even pay for tools among other things. I have helped folks get signed up, honestly most are ignorant help is available.

State offers small business start up courses. Once completed they will assist with loan and grants to run a start up. Quite a few small shops start this way here. Common one used to be video stores, another beauty parlors

Tons of Federal programs too

Didja' know you qualify for many Federal programs just by being a recovering drunk or doper, hell even an Ex Con. Very few ever bother with it all though.
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Old April 22, 2019, 18:20   #47
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Empathy diminished byTylenol, study says!

Brings a whole new perspective to the wife unit, saying she's got a Headache!

"Two highly concerning clinical studies in four years reveal that Tylenol not only kills pain but human empathy as well, adding soul-deadening properties to its well known list of serious side effects. "


http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/con...eid=8099c55a38

And Advil screws yer kidneys, which happens to be next to the Empathy organ!

So hands up, put the Tylenol down, step away from the bottle - and stop voting liberal! But who cares!
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"[...]Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".


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Didja' know you qualify for many Federal programs just by being a recovering drunk or doper, hell even an Ex Con. Very few ever bother with it all though.
If you have links, I have a list of people to send them too.
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Empathy for a soldier is beaten out of them - which might be why 20 soldiers a day commit suicide! How can you teach a soldier to kill, without removing the notion of killing a mothers child, and not caring about it. How then with empathy removed can one hope to live a normal life, once back on civvy street?
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Old May 23, 2019, 18:38   #50
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it isn't about empathy

it is all about psychopathy

for example

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