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Old April 25, 2019, 09:10   #1
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Just a passing thought

Just had the thought last night and the question why would any group within the government attempt an overthrow of the government? A bold daring and even reckless move risking everything because they are unhappy that Hillary Clinton lost the election and Donald Trump won?
Thinking about the big picture full of pieces and parts a little here a little there and maybe the whole thing is much bigger than what can be imagined. Blatant lies being told, lies so obvious as to be almost comical. Lies rising to pathological levels recited over and over that are as thin as the morning mist evaporating away as the first rays of daylight arrive. There is little doubt at this point an attempt has been made to frame an elected president in some elaborate fraud involving so many people risking everything. Sounds pretty desperate doesn’t it.

What motivation would cause these people to commit treason? Are these people so arrogant, so narcissistic that they actually believe their crimes are justified? The people involved have risked every nickel they own in order to back a thinly veiled conspiracy to frame an elected president.

I am thinking this is bigger and more involved than we could ever imagine. No alien pod people from outer space but those involved are sure acting as though they were.
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I think for a long time the left in this country has had to run a slow boil up on things to take over BUT, what has happened is they started to get ants in their pants and so in all aspects started to open up the throttles to push the win over the top. A lot of it I believe is due to many people waking up and also Orange Man Bad winning, that has sent them into a bit of a panic. I think they feel they now have to go full wacko to win this thing and they'll try every avenue to win. Honestly I believe the only thing that keeps them going full Russian Revolution with open warfare is the fact we are all armed(which is why they want all the gun bans).
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Some People when told the why and who - will attack! Knowledge of the perps doesn't come easy - the truth sayer is generally attacked, often strung up and vilified. Truth is a burden most cannot bare - it's plain to see and hard to accept.
My apologies for being cryptic but for many it is plain to see, and equally easy for others to vehemently deny - just follow the history, the money, and the emails!
Who is being arrested, how many whistleblowers are silenced, and what might be the common theme - who ultimately benefits, it's an idea!?!
Tho' to actually know who/what that 'Idea' is, that's engineering for power, you have to self deprogram - that is an epiphany, most will not induce.
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Old April 25, 2019, 09:44   #5
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If you look back in short history, what other criminal acts could these same people have done? They didn't just turn criminal when Trump was elected, all of them have been criminals for years. Think back.

Why did they try to frame Trump, because they own the law and can't be held accountable and both dem and repubs backedvit.
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The Democrats may be stupid, craven, immoral and entirely worthless human beings, suitable only for prison life, but none of this would be happening....

WITHOUT THE RINOS, like Romney and Jebby Boy, and the corrupt RINO financial DC establishment, BACKING THEM ALL THE WAY.

The RINO's want you disarmed, more than the Democrats. They intend the institution of the Monarchy once more, with King Jebby Boy, and Knave Romney, leading the nation.
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Old April 25, 2019, 11:15   #7
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What's the message sent to all of us by the deep state trying to corrupt the election? Look at the lives ruined, the millions spent and it still goes on and on. These people are criminals that can't be touched by our laws because they are all in it together.
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...Blatant lies being told, lies so obvious as to be almost comical. Lies rising to pathological levels recited over and over that are as thin as the morning mist evaporating away as the first rays of daylight arrive. There is little doubt at this point an attempt has been made to frame an elected president in some elaborate fraud involving so many people risking everything. ...
"Facts don't matter when you're morally right..."

lies insulate the liar from facing the truth,
with that truth comes responsibility, which no one wants
which is why people lie so much to try to escape the truth.

also note the tacit declaration of war against reality:

the specious claim of "morally right" inherently presumes all opposition is somehow "morally wrong", presumes that reality is "wrong".

dissociation with reality is a common feature in authoritarian statists,

delusions of being "right" for the sake of being right becomes an end in and of itself, typically backed up with threats/violence.
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Old April 25, 2019, 11:36   #9
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Just had the thought last night and the question why would any group within the government attempt an overthrow of the government? A bold daring and even reckless move risking everything because they are unhappy that Hillary Clinton lost the election and Donald Trump won?
Thinking about the big picture full of pieces and parts a little here a little there and maybe the whole thing is much bigger than what can be imagined. Blatant lies being told, lies so obvious as to be almost comical. Lies rising to pathological levels recited over and over that are as thin as the morning mist evaporating away as the first rays of daylight arrive. There is little doubt at this point an attempt has been made to frame an elected president in some elaborate fraud involving so many people risking everything. Sounds pretty desperate doesn’t it.

What motivation would cause these people to commit treason? Are these people so arrogant, so narcissistic that they actually believe their crimes are justified? The people involved have risked every nickel they own in order to back a thinly veiled conspiracy to frame an elected president.

I am thinking this is bigger and more involved than we could ever imagine. No alien pod people from outer space but those involved are sure acting as though they were.
Very simple. They attempted it because they were already guilty of treasonous acts which in any other nation would have put them in front of a firing squad, no questions asked. Acts which included transfer of materials and information to communist china and the former soviet union. And they knew that this would come out if they didn't have one of their own in charge of the government. In short, they did it because, as Hillary famously said, 'if that son of a bitch wins we'll all hang ..'.

Yes, this is much bigger than many can imagine. And of those who are capable of imagining it, fewer still are willing to believe the evidence right in front of their eyes and instead anxiously grasp at those rapidly diminishing straws which enable them to state, if not really believe that it's all some sort of mistake. And that folks like myself have it wrong.

Thing is, we're not wrong. The democrats committed overt acts of treason and even now are committed to the other guys winning. The entire leadership of the DNC are in on it and deserve to be shot to death for it, once interrogations are concluded and the evidence they give recorded for posterity. Don't believe me, believe what you see and hear with your own eyes and ears.

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While you are just passing a thought these criminals are trying to over throw the country using our own laws against us. Yes they have committed treason to destroy our Constitution. When you have gone that far what other acts would you do? Would you murder a bunch of Trump supporters in Las Vegas? You own the law so you could kill a bunch of folks and get away with it then use the killing as a reason to take our guns.

Do you think there is anything these criminals won't do? What will they do next, rig the election?
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Weaponize the IRS against the American people?
Weaponize the FBI and DOJ against the American people?
Weaponize the national security agencies against the American people?
Selling national security secrets?
Selling advancements in technology to those who would use that technology to destroy the American people?
Diving into foreign wars that have no possible positive outcome?

On and on it goes and where it stops nobody knows.

The 4 motives for crime;

Money
Power
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Why because they needed to retain power to cover up for crimes committed while in positions of authority. That national debt didn't rise by $8.8 trillion just because of the bailouts and social programs- a lot of that money was funneled directly into non profit charities that benefited the socialist democrats. They already know that we become a minority majority country by design within the next ten years due to the 1965 Immigration Act. Given that about half of white women vote Democrat anyway- they pretty much had it in the bag forever if they could just win this last election. So they did everything in their power to maintain control including spying on the Trump campaign, creating a "Russian collusion" false narrative, even launching the Mueller investigation in a final attempt to impeach the President.

Logically, if they managed to hold on for another four years- then it would have been smooth sailing for Democrats to control the government for the remainder of time that the country stays intact. So here's the bigger question. Why do the Socialist Democrats think it's OK to just funnel assets to their own coffers or sell off our national assets for their own benefit? Because they already know that the economy is going to completely collapse. They purposely put in motion policies to destroy the country decades ago. They get to live abroad like kings with their stolen wealth- all while the masses starve and they don't care.


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Weaponize the IRS against the American people?
Weaponize the FBI and DOJ against the American people?
Weaponize the national security agencies against the American people?
Selling national security secrets?
Selling advancements in technology to those who would use that technology to destroy the American people?
Diving into foreign wars that have no possible positive outcome?

On and on it goes and where it stops nobody knows.

The 4 motives for crime;

Money
Power
Sex
Revenge
It's worth noting that many Republicans are part of this scam. The cabal is better described as 'deep state'. In any case it's not just Democrats who are involved. From what I can see it involves virtually the entire upper echelon of the Democrats and a good percentage of the GOP establishment as well.

This should not be a surprise. If you want to subvert a country and money really isn't an issue the easiest way is to buy both sides and let 'em fall all over themselves trying to be your favorite go-to guy. That way you don't need to waste time sorting 'em out.
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I wonder how many folks realize how close we are to losing the country. Right now the deep state floods us with illegals in the hopes Trump will break the law in throwing them out.These folks are capable of anything.
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I wonder how many folks realize how close we are to losing the country. Right now the deep state floods us with illegals in the hopes Trump will break the law in throwing them out.These folks are capable of anything.
Jim, they're all in. You don't make a deal with the devil and then chicken out. They were fully committed years ago and will do whatever it takes to keep and retain power. What they will do is limited only by their capabilities and what they judge to be necessary at the time, not their scruples. Whether they like it or not, whether they regret it or not they will do what they must to survive. You or I might at some point choose righteousness over personal survival, face our mistakes and beg for mercy. But they are not like you or I and they will not contemplate this. Folks who make deals like this are not capable of regret or introspection which incidentally is the very definition of a psychopath. If they were like the rest of us they would not be in the predicament they find themselves today.

It is important to remember this and to keep it in mind at all times when the conversation turns to deep state. Any mercy shown these creatures will simply be viewed as a weakness which, in fact, it probably is.
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Jim, they're all in. You don't make a deal with the devil and then chicken out. They were fully committed years ago and will do whatever it takes to keep and retain power. What they will do is limited only by their capabilities and what they judge to be necessary at the time, not their scruples.
I bet that most of what I post is seen as just speculation by me based by the response I get on the post. I guess that comes from the history of my post We missed the bullet when Trump won, hillary was the last potus before the take over in my opinion. 22 trillion was the knife to cut the countries throat and she was going to do the cutting. We are deplorable, irredeamable and unworthy to live in her world.

It's far from over.
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I bet that most of what I post is seen as just speculation by me based by the response I get on the post. I guess that comes from the history of my post We missed the bullet when Trump won, hillary was the last potus before the take over in my opinion. 22 trillion was the knife to cut the countries throat and she was going to do the cutting. We are deplorable, irredeamable and unworthy to live in her world.

It's far from over.
Make no mistake, she's bought and paid for. All this deplorable, irredeemable noise on her part is just so much bread and circuses. Noise to convince the marks that something other than cold hard cash is behind this. Don't be distracted because it isn't. It ain't about her thinking we're unworthy, irredeemable or anything else. In fact it's a fair bet that thought never actually crossed her mind. This is about the money, nothing else. Or if you'd rather, the power. Because at that level they are the same thing.
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Make no mistake, she's bought and paid for. All this deplorable, irredeemable noise on her part is just so much bread and circuses. Noise to convince the marks that something other than cold hard cash is behind this. Don't be distracted because it isn't. It ain't about her thinking we're unworthy, irredeemable or anything else. In fact it's a fair bet that thought never actually crossed her mind. This is about the money, nothing else. Or if you'd rather, the power. Because at that level they are the same thing.
To me it's obvious they were going to use the 22 trillion in debt to crush the American economy. Once they crushed it the they could set up winners and losers and most of us would be losers. We would be a third world nation and no matter how much you had in the bank you wouldn't be safe in the crash. Once they crashed it all then the constitution would be null and void.

If they would have got Trump removed then it still would have happened.
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To me it's obvious they were going to use the 22 trillion in debt to crush the American economy. Once they crushed it the they could set up winners and losers and most of us would be losers. We would be a third world nation and no matter how much you had in the bank you wouldn't be safe in the crash. Once they crashed it all then the constitution would be null and void.

If they would have got Trump removed then it still would have happened.
Well I dunno about that, you have the 22 trillion debt whether they win, lose or draw. We're still here and the markets are doing what markets to, set all-time records (yawn). To be honest I don't think many of 'em have given much thought to what the overall plan is, if it's even known to them. They don't care, they've made their deals and taken their money home. Rest they honestly don't give a shit about.

As to the constitution in my mind it's null and void right now. What is an agreement worth when the other party consistently refuses to abide by it, indeed does not even acknowledge that it applies to him? An agreement requires more than one party sign on to it or else no agreement. And that's all the US constitution is, is an agreement. A contract if you will. You're without a constitution right now, you just don't like what it means. For the record neither do I, but I'm not gonna kid myself that we have any sort of agreement in force between the government and the governed because we do not. All you have is a piece of paper signed long ago that one side insists is in force and the other side views as a minor pain in the ass, to be ignored at best and circumvented whenever the need arises. This is not what an agreement is and you would not sell a car to someone who had no intention of keeping his word, never mind put them in charge of safeguarding your liberties.
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The real cutting edge will be seen as the new AG, Mr. Barr and the IG from the DOJ, begin the indictments of:

McCabe...done deal
Comey... highly likely because he signed off on the FISA warrants, as verified with Steele Dossier. FISA Judges are in turmoil and want someone to pay for lying to them.

Sally Yates.......maybe, she did sign off on the FISA warrants
Loretta Lynch.......I see this for obstruction of justice for telling Comey not to reccomend indicting Hillary for espionage, and obstruction of justice.

Obama...........will be an unindicted co-conspirator

Brennan and Clapper----both lied to Congress and pushed the Steel Dossier to the FISA judges too. Security clearances now revoked for both of them.


Obama staff---Rice, Jarrett, Power, Rhodes.............all guilty of participating in illegal unmasking of civilians, and authorizing spying on Trump.

Hillarys staff---Cheryl Mills, Houma Abedin, and Hillary herself.
FBI gave immunity (illegally) to Mills, and destroyed her computer to destroy evidence.............FBI agents will pay for that who did it and their bosses.

Podesta Brothers.............both will be convicted and in Jail in two years.


BUT................the RINO's and Democrats see their entire network being destroyed, especially if Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation Corruption matters are finally taken to court and the Wall gets built.
That means F&F, Holder, Lois Lerner, Benghazi, IRS, and other RINO/Dem scandles will explode.

The RINO and Dems, will do a coup d' etat, or assassinate Trump to avoid all the above.

They are tying desperately right now.

They HAVE to stop all of this JUSTICE................they have to, it is like Hitler at the end.............either you totally destroy Trump, or you die.

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They realised after the IRS scandal that they will never be held to account for their Maoist war on the Constitution. Make no mistake....when they do capture the House, the Senate, and the presidency back they are going to get rid of the fillibuster and declare total war on us for 2 years straight.
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They realised after the IRS scandal that they will never be held to account for their Maoist war on the Constitution. Make no mistake....when they do capture the House, the Senate, and the presidency back they are going to get rid of the fillibuster and declare total war on us for 2 years straight.
They declared total war years ago, and have fought it that way ever since. They just don't have the house, senate and the presidency today, but there is no doubt what the end game is. The only thing that remains undecided now is the outcome. Total war needs to be brought back to 'em, today. Right now. There is no reason to dilly-dally around about this, it only further diminishes our chances of survival.
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I thank God everyday for DJT. I know he is not perfect, but he is trying to do what is right in the face of incredible opposition.
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There's five. You left out drugs (including alcohol).
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I don't give a rat's tookus about anything Trump says. I only care about the results of what he does. It's hard to argue against (at least) doubling the growth of GDP.
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....in a world without form, the hunt for something to level becomes increasingly urgent as there is less and less to knock over. ....
....We could simply be seeing what John Adams observed. Democracies always murder themselves.


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Mueller was also going for head of the FBI after Colmey got fired and was rejected. Next day he is the special prosecutor investigating the President.
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It is looking like this rabbit hole is getting deeper and bigger than anyone could imagine like a sink hole opening up underneath our nation. Unfortunately the American people are so self absorbed and opinionated by lies they are blind to any truth.
This is going to blow up right in our faces. I expect a few accidents to occur within the next few weeks. If and when the whole truth comes to light, I have doubts, heads will roll.
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I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Almost no one in DC is stupid, or of a lower IQ; that includes crazy Mazie and Mad Maxine, too.

Certainly no one in in the CIA, DIA, or any Intell service like the NSA or DCI offices, are dumbasses. That saying, ethics is not IQ!!!

That simply means, EVERYONE IN DC knows what is going on and what the game was....EVERYONE.

The route the corruption took, from the top (Obama/Hillary), down thru the agencies and to the corrupt managers, and the attempted Coup d 'etat, is well known by everyone, AND HAS BEEN.

Legally unraveling, what everyone already knows, has to be done systematically and care with the razor, as guilty throats are slit, legally.

Desperation is the name of the game, as everyone knows the outcome if Trump lives and the AG Barr and IG, do their thing with Grand Juries and indictments------------ of 50-60 real assholes, from Obama down.

What they did was an attempted Coup D 'etat, by any definition; and Barr will be presenting it all to Grand Juries. THIS IS HISTORY IN THE MAKING!!

Judges and officials, will now OFFICIALLY, be "shocked" by the massive evidence of the Coup d 'Etat process, against the FBI, DOJ, CIA, Obama, Hillary............... when EVERYONE really knew it, all along.
"Gads I had no idea", will be the lying refrain.

It all depends upon who is in power, and who can can your ass, i.e. "HOW MUCH YOU UNDERSTAND, OFFICIALLY."

Cohen understands, as Clapper and Brennan and Susan Rice will too.
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When looking at threats you have to include those inside the fence.

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I agree with your assessment, an open secret, the only people who donít know are us peons.

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I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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All consuming confidence of a Hillary win left the conspirators no way out,,, they sold their souls and they do the devils bidding.
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